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dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.12 23:15:00 - [211] Originally by: Colonel Katsumoto I know X.I.X had ATLAS and CI set to red. Was this the same with RA or where they just nuetral before the conflict began? Atlas was nuetral to RA but stayed away from them. Chaos was blue to RA. Around christmass RA set them red and made demands. These raids also pulled Atlas/chaos out of fountain just days after we got there. I driks lot signature removed- Jacques([email protected])
LukeIamYourMother Hedion University	Posted - 2008.01.12 23:18:00 - [212] Originally by: Dante Barsavi A strong Alliance will be as faithful as you can force it to be. Basically Goons and the like have nothing to fear from RA and vice versa because they both provide something the other needs. DMC are simply too small to ally themselves with Alliances red to RA and get away with it. This is doubly true after negotiations over the Titan sales going sour. Other small alliances in the region who are basically pets or as good as (Ethereal Dawn and IRC) are in a tough position i imagine. They probably realize that they can expect the same treatment further down the line but what are their options? They cannot ally themselves with the whole smashkill/CI bandwagon and cannot even make the approach or they will be red to Goons and RA so fast they won't know what hit them. Methinks we are looking at the drone regions being reduced to maybe 3 or 4 strong alliances within a few months if not before. Titans. DMC isn't reknown for their PvP viability. But with the recent blue attacks and with Titans rolling out things might change. Can't allow the alliance to grow too powerful, huh? Isk, super cap production, future threat. No, I don't think most of the smaller alliances have anything to fear, unless they have a titan production.
nergyn	Posted - 2008.01.12 23:29:00 - [213] When KaTet went to DMC space and was chased out they stumbled on an ATLAS gatecamp and was killed by large numbers, this is how a part of the "cooperation" started, it became a joint operation only because KaTet did get divided spanning DMC and Atlas space. When Atlas followed KaTet into DMC space KaTet stumbled on both DMC and Atlas and therefore gets attacked by two alliances at the same time, I don¦t see this as an preplanned operation since KaTet came to us and do we just have the right to chase them out of our "house"? If you came and attacked my house I would hunt you until you are dead. Since KaTet did such a nice job at aggroing 3 alliances at the same time its only natural that we go and attack them side by side since the others are blue too us. KaTet brought this on them self and the thing RA is doing has no explanations. We didn¦t call other alliances for help it just happened by KaTet actions, they where at the wrong place at the wrong time doing wrong things. Blue on blue, (my friends don¦t come over and ** me in the ass, they call and see if they can come and visit for a coffee or a chat.) The only thing to do now is that all ppl warps to their homesystems and the CEO get thogeter and if we can¦t make something good out of this then we can start again but this time we know how to play. If RA is so strong then it won¦t matter if they give DMC a day or two to set things straight. This is the opinion of me myself and noone else. I play for fun and i don¦t think its fun to get ass****. See u at next fanfest and remember Iceland is an island don¦t need any cruise missiles or cloak because i can take care of myself.
Jaroslav REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.12 23:29:00 - [214] Originally by: Kenion If DMC were under your protection, why not just solve this CI/ATLAS buisness with diplomacy. Diplomacy is booring.
Callie Nefarious UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.12 23:30:00 - [215] Originally by: Kenion If DMC were under your protection, why not just solve this CI/ATLAS buisness with diplomacy. Ask DMC to make them leave. And then protect DMC as was agreed previously. No... Instead RA attacks DMC for teaming up with friends who have been red with Ka-Tet before and also red with RA. Does that even matter? I mean noone attacked RA in this incident right? So RA is responding to something that never hurt a single one of their alliance. That doesn't sound very.. "clean"... So something is clearly "fishy" about this, since Ka-Tet knew that DMC were under RA's protection. If they thought that RA would in fact protect them they would never have attacked... Wonder if we can ever trust RA again. Attacking pet's, who paid very well for themselves I might add, isn't gonna buy anyones trust. NEVER EVER INSULT RUSSIAN PLAYER WITH RASCIST STAFF. That is. sig nerfed by ebil mods
Marketeur	Posted - 2008.01.12 23:38:00 - [216] Edited by: Marketeur on 12/01/2008 23:39:14 Originally by: Callie Nefarious Originally by: Kenion If DMC were under your protection, why not just solve this CI/ATLAS buisness with diplomacy. Ask DMC to make them leave. And then protect DMC as was agreed previously. No... Instead RA attacks DMC for teaming up with friends who have been red with Ka-Tet before and also red with RA. Does that even matter? I mean noone attacked RA in this incident right? So RA is responding to something that never hurt a single one of their alliance. That doesn't sound very.. "clean"... So something is clearly "fishy" about this, since Ka-Tet knew that DMC were under RA's protection. If they thought that RA would in fact protect them they would never have attacked... Wonder if we can ever trust RA again. Attacking pet's, who paid very well for themselves I might add, isn't gonna buy anyones trust. NEVER EVER INSULT RUSSIAN PLAYER WITH RASCIST STAFF. That is. But MINE is a Racist Staff +2! whack Everyone hates RA now anyway, get used to it.
Darius silverbolt Rukongai Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.12 23:39:00 - [217] Diplomacy is booring. Now that is the first thing I agree with from Red Alliance. ..Pew Pew for me..
Lita Brutor	Posted - 2008.01.12 23:41:00 - [218] I hop the rest of the aliances in the drone region see whats happening! if DMC fall whos next? Rule of tre? Roadkill? Iron? Smash? etc whana take the fight now or when u are alone? Join up and let us kill those russian that it whas a misstake to let them survive last time when they almost whas wipped out. Let us to it right this time.
Valen06 KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.01.12 23:44:00 - [219] Originally by: MAXSuicide Edited by: MAXSuicide on 12/01/2008 19:31:02 Originally by: MINERALMAN Originally by: MAXSuicide Edited by: MAXSuicide on 12/01/2008 18:32:15 Originally by: Lita Brutor As i can see RA is the new BoB in the game, the lie and backstab corps. So an advise to all alliance and corps dont trust them. I hope a lot of alliance and corps joins up with DMC and help fight Russians and there pets. You have disappointed me Maxy u, ET and omeega are the only ones ive ever trusted <3 LMAO!! Was waiting to see how MAX backtracked on that comment. --FAIL--
Lenaria Caldari Ursa Ritor	Posted - 2008.01.12 23:49:00 - [220] Originally by: dastommy79 Originally by: Tavernier RA was always on the side of peace and friendship in all the regions. To our regret we could no longer watch how greedy and aggressive some drone region entities have become. We can no longer tolerate the anger, greed, and backstabbing that is ruining the game for the drone region citizens. This is why we have decided to interfere to help solve their problems. No offense but is this sarcasm? Just RP? :) ==============================================

Dante Barsavi Red Branch Inc	Posted - 2008.01.12 23:52:00 - [221] Originally by: Lita Brutor I hop the rest of the aliances in the drone region see whats happening! if DMC fall whos next? Rule of tre? Roadkill? Iron? Smash? etc whana take the fight now or when u are alone? Join up and let us kill those russian that it whas a misstake to let them survive last time when they almost whas wipped out. Let us to it right this time. Not a chance. First DMC and friends will bleed themselves white against Ka-Tet/IRC/ED. Then RA will mop up all the pieces(including blues maybe) and rent out the space to new alliances/corps looking for 0.0 space. As things stand no one pays rent to anybody in the Drone regions. I think RA may have decided it's time for this to change.
Fletcher Vardy	Posted - 2008.01.12 23:56:00 - [222] OK,First Iam sry I dont give a sh_t about the way or lack of my bad english.Second we didnt go looking for help to attack Ka-Tet we moved to attack them ourselves ,it seems alot of ppl have problems with alliances that attack under blue standing`s. I wonder why ,cause its not cool! DAH We didnt start this Ka-Tet did and the actions of the alliances involved speak for themselves Third offcourse DMC didnt turn down help,why would we? would you? DMC never considered that defending itself against Ka-Tet(regardless of who helped us)would bring a attack from its protectors,even though RA posted a thread about there contract to protect G5 and Ka-Tet being such long term friends of RA that they must have known about our contract. So why would they attack us knowing RA wouldnt like this? As well why does RA care if we defend ourselves against hostile actions,you would think they wouldnt mind (save them the trouble right )ex-specially it being Ka-Tet seeing as they are such close friends. It wasnt like we attacked RA directly along side with alliances that where red to them all ready. We attacked an alliance that knew of our protection contract with RA.Honestly RA should have told Ka-Tet back down. It just shows that RA was behind it all along. p.s. Iam sry I do not spell correctly and my grammer sucks ,deal with it ! This is not a grammer test .I write fast cause I have alot to say and it doesnt always work for me ,thats my problem and I dont need to be told this.Honestly if you think I type for your reading pleasure think again .I live in Hawaii Bra,Thats how we went doem cuz.Think I will head to the beach now -eve is just a game .All of you really need to wake up and relize this .HaHa
Freelancemen Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.13 00:03:00 - [223] Edited by: Freelancemen on 13/01/2008 00:05:39 Day 1 jan. 9th. Ka-tet enters DMC space and gets kicked out before getting to do what they came for. Day 2 jan. 10th Ka-tet gets a visit from DMC with help of Atlas and CI. Big battle, diff. kb show diff. outcome but my best guess is a tie with perhaps a slight adv. for ka-tet. Both congrat eachother on a gf. Day 3 jan. 11th nothing really big going on. Little pew-pew on both sides. Day 4 jan. 12th 3 am. Ka-tet ms gets caught in a bubble (NON DMC!!) all alone. Wrong time wrong place and gets hold there while they contact DMC/CI/Atlas cos they had a big fleet in the neighbourhood as it was on there way to ka-tet space. MS goes down. Day 4 jan. 12th between 3am and 15pm the earlier mentioned local chat was made which accordign to RA(amongst other things like downing the aeon with help of reds to RA) would have lead to the next event. Day 4 jan. 12th 18:00 pm, RA invades G5 with >60 caps. I have to say, either RA is extremely military organized to get >60 capitals ready to do a large scale offense within 12-18 hours (as the given reasons by RA for their actions happened all in a timewindow of less than 24 hours!) or RA planned this way ahead. Considering all previously mentioned by other posters and the timeframe belonging to arguements given by RA we all know what's really went on don't we RA...
Nizar Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.13 00:05:00 - [224] Edited by: Nizar on 13/01/2008 00:06:45 Originally by: Marketeur ...Everyone hates RA now anyway, get used to it. well not really but they also aint makin alot of friends lately, thats for sure. all this interference in others regions and alliances business. a real no go. but we all know what happens to big alliances who get to coccky and drunk on power. after a while, most of eve just wants to invade em. i predict some BIG wars this year. oh wait, this is eve. big wars are as sure as eggs is eggs :) -------------- Nizar -------------- BARON VON NEINLEDERHOSEN
Lenaria Caldari Ursa Ritor	Posted - 2008.01.13 00:06:00 - [225] BTW, there are some rumor what MC got they new titan from DMC holders throu 3rd party. Might be another reason for RA attack... Either way, i'm 80% sure these DMC titans are the root of all evil. ==============================================
Damon Blood Empirius Enigmus Navy Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.13 00:11:00 - [226] quote=Fletcher Vardy]OK,First Iam sry I dont give a sh_t about the way or lack of my bad english.Second we didnt go looking for help to attack Ka-Tet we moved to attack them ourselves ,it seems alot of ppl have problems with alliances that attack under blue standing`s. I wonder why ,cause its not cool! DAH We didnt start this Ka-Tet did and the actions of the alliances involved speak for themselves Third offcourse DMC didnt turn down help,why would we? would you? DMC never considered that defending itself against Ka-Tet(regardless of who helped us)would bring a attack from its protectors,even though RA posted a thread about there contract to protect G5 and Ka-Tet being such long term friends of RA that they must have known about our contract. So why would they attack us knowing RA wouldnt like this? As well why does RA care if we defend ourselves against hostile actions,you would think they wouldnt mind (save them the trouble right )ex-specially it being Ka-Tet seeing as they are such close friends. It wasnt like we attacked RA directly along side with alliances that where red to them all ready. We attacked an alliance that knew of our protection contract with RA.Honestly RA should have told Ka-Tet back down. It just shows that RA was behind it all along. p.s. Iam sry I do not spell correctly and my grammer sucks ,deal with it ! This is not a grammer test .I write fast cause I have alot to say and it doesnt always work for me ,thats my problem and I dont need to be told this.Honestly if you think I type for your reading pleasure think again .I live in Hawaii Bra,Thats how we went doem cuz.Think I will head to the beach now -eve is just a game .All of you really need to wake up and relize this .HaHa Watch out RA...Fletcher is gonna get loose..BRA
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.01.13 00:16:00 - [227] Originally by: Dante Barsavi As things stand no one pays rent to anybody in the Drone regions. I think RA may have decided it's time for this to change. People have been paying rent for access to the drone region since day one and will continue to do so for the forseeable future.
Lenaria Caldari Ursa Ritor	Posted - 2008.01.13 00:17:00 - [228] Originally by: Freelancemen Edited by: Freelancemen on 13/01/2008 00:05:39 I have to say, either RA is extremely military organized to get >60 capitals ready to do a large scale offense within 12-18 hours (as the given reasons by RA for their actions happened all in a timewindow of less than 24 hours!) or RA planned this way ahead. All other things aside, such numbers on weekend is nothing exceptional. Jumping caps from one side of universe to the other takes less than 1 hour. Remember, DMC space is 1 dread jump from RA stations - so logistic is not big issue either ==============================================
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.13 00:18:00 - [229] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Originally by: Dante Barsavi As things stand no one pays rent to anybody in the Drone regions. I think RA may have decided it's time for this to change. People have been paying rent for access to the drone region since day one and will continue to do so for the forseeable future. examples? I driks lot signature removed- Jacques([email protected])
Bashiri Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.13 00:19:00 - [230] This is rare RA in the forums smack talking .... /me take a note pad and take lessons from the masters

Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.01.13 00:27:00 - [231] Originally by: dastommy79 Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Originally by: Dante Barsavi As things stand no one pays rent to anybody in the Drone regions. I think RA may have decided it's time for this to change. People have been paying rent for access to the drone region since day one and will continue to do so for the forseeable future. examples? Off the top of my head? Ethereal Dawn and Endless Horizon. I know there are a ton of others that are not in alliances or live out of other alliance's stations (see ka-tet's tennants).
Attak Trioptimum The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.01.13 00:32:00 - [232] DMC vs Ka-tet would have been a really fun fight to watch. Way to ruin it all RA, now all we can do is watch failure cascades and horrible politics. That being said, I can't help but remember the quote from way back in the NGM days from RSF: "The drone region inhabitants aren't worth the ammo you use on them." I guess ammo got a lot cheaper.
Airata	Posted - 2008.01.13 00:52:00 - [233] Originally by: LukeIamYourMother Titans. DMC isn't reknown for their PvP viability. But with the recent blue attacks and with Titans rolling out things might change. Can't allow the alliance to grow too powerful, huh? Isk, super cap production, future threat. No, I don't think most of the smaller alliances have anything to fear, unless they have a titan production. You dont even imagine how right you are about this whole issue.
SGRUNTH	Posted - 2008.01.13 00:54:00 - [234] I read that RA invested some money in your titan project and DMC should sell it by 50 bil isk. But when titan was buid DMC canceled this agreement. Please, answer: Is it true?
Grainsalt Free-Corp Foundation Liberty Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.13 01:07:00 - [235] P*ssing off the Russians is bad, m'kay... That is gonna hurt. --- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=554257
Magnabyte Rukongai Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.13 01:10:00 - [236] Edited by: Magnabyte on 13/01/2008 01:12:57 Originally by: SGRUNTH I read that RA invested some money in your titan project and DMC should sell it by 50 bil isk. But when titan was buid DMC canceled this agreement. Please, answer: Is it true? From what I've read it seems more like DMC made the Titans, and then RA demanded they be sold for 50 Billion each, since a fixed sum of money and 4 Motherships had already been agreed upon for the protection. The trouble then started why DMC refused to sell them for less than the construction price, by more than 10 Billion I think, because they understandably didn't want to make a loss. The whole bussiness with Ka Tet started and I presonally believe that RA was attempting to use this as a method to force DMC into parting with the two titan's for the price they wanted, if not lower. When DMC began fighting back Ka-Tet and then allied them selves with IC/Atlas RA decided enougth was enougth and entered their space. On another note, I would like to point out that XXXDeathXXX and RA had infact started helping KT before RA's invasion, though this is only my opinion which I have created from data that I ether witnessed or contrabuted to. They did so by firstly setting up a Gate camp on the route to the system that DMC engaged the Ka Tet Mothership, killing several re enforcements under the pretence of mistaken aggro from a unknown attacker who had jumped through previously. At a similar time, RA had engaged Atlas and IC in an attempt to pull thier fleets away from DMC/Ka Tet conflicts. As I mentioned before, this is just my opinion, and does not represent ether my Corp or Alliance's views in anyway, but I would hope that you would consider it, and note that its shows that RA and XXXDeathXXX were already trying to make sure that Ka Tet won against DMC, before realising with our Mothership Kill, that they could not trust Ka Tet to take us out on their own, and so brought in their forces.
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.13 01:10:00 - [237] Originally by: dastommy79 So what your saying is RA are now in the buisness of having entities pay them rent inorder to keep their space? Isnt that kinda why most of the people jumped on the kill bob train? The 'kill BoB train' was because of: their stated goal of conquering the entirety of 0.0 to turning it into a giant network of renters, the T20 misconduct and other subsequent revelations, a variety of old adversaries carrying scores to be settled over the years, and DBP and Molle's terrible terrible posting. Mostly the latter, of course.
MAXSuicide Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.13 01:12:00 - [238] Originally by: Peoke Originally by: Mc Leech You can blaim this on capital deals all you want. The simple truth is when 2 blues fighting the rest stay out of it, like KOS vs AAA for example. Now if KOS asked BOB for help vs AAA they will instantly become red to entire coalition which should be no surprize. You allied yourself with chaos and atlas that are red, that made you red, as simple as that the rest are just excuses. Good thing to know seeing as a bunch of enemies are shhoting my allies like you intrepid and ethernal dawn. i just hope your smart enough to not think about chaos or atlas space. but hey well see if you ever want to be the guy to call the bluff. Are you threatening RA, peoke?
Moon Kitten GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.13 01:16:00 - [239] Peoke is an excellent poster and diplomat. ~~ We've lulled our opponents into a false sense of confidence. Oh, yes. Oh, oh, oh. Everything is going according to plan. Those fools, they think they can win... by winning.
MAXSuicide Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.13 01:17:00 - [240] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 13/01/2008 01:20:39 yea i guess im the loser really for being the only one bothering to notice it lol. Originally by: Valen06 Originally by: MAXSuicide Edited by: MAXSuicide on 12/01/2008 19:31:02 Originally by: MINERALMAN Originally by: MAXSuicide Edited by: MAXSuicide on 12/01/2008 18:32:15 Originally by: Lita Brutor As i can see RA is the new BoB in the game, the lie and backstab corps. So an advise to all alliance and corps dont trust them. I hope a lot of alliance and corps joins up with DMC and help fight Russians and there pets. You have disappointed me Maxy u, ET and omeega are the only ones ive ever trusted <3 LMAO!! Was waiting to see how MAX backtracked on that comment. --FAIL-- what? why dont u go and look at mine, omeega's and mineralman's employment history? who the **** are u anyway? oh well, glad there's still some max haters remaining in fix. Most of them are friends these days and that just isnt right.



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