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maGz The Hoodie Mafia Cosa Nostra.	Posted - 2008.01.18 11:55:00 - [61] Originally by: MortyM Originally by: joefishy Theres alot of****gotory in this thread... Guys dont moan because you expect ccp to save you slots .. 40 teams managed to sighn up on time first.. you guys just needed to be quicker dont be all ass hats and moan to ccp about it they doing a good job atm and you guys are just being plain dumb expecting favratism and expecting spots. 40 teams managed to sighn up first... why didnt you sighn up? Because there are only 40 spots in the tournament... How hard is it to understand that? If some of the people that are left out now would have been faster then some of the people that are in now would have been left out. If people would have been faster it wouldn't have solved anything, just shifted the problem to other people. If that had happened, we probably wouldn't witness a massive whine concert as most of the "no-name" alliances probably doesn't have huge egos, making them think that they're more entitled to a spot in the tournament than anyone else. ____________
MortyM Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.18 11:57:00 - [62] Originally by: maGz Originally by: MortyM Originally by: joefishy Theres alot of****gotory in this thread... Guys dont moan because you expect ccp to save you slots .. 40 teams managed to sighn up on time first.. you guys just needed to be quicker dont be all ass hats and moan to ccp about it they doing a good job atm and you guys are just being plain dumb expecting favratism and expecting spots. 40 teams managed to sighn up first... why didnt you sighn up? Because there are only 40 spots in the tournament... How hard is it to understand that? If some of the people that are left out now would have been faster then some of the people that are in now would have been left out. If people would have been faster it wouldn't have solved anything, just shifted the problem to other people. If that had happened, we probably wouldn't witness a massive whine concert as most of the "no-name" alliances probably doesn't have huge egos, making them think that they're more entitled to a spot in the tournament than anyone else. Who says it would have been the no-name alliances that would have been left out then ?
Malar HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.01.18 12:05:00 - [63] Edited by: Malar on 18/01/2008 12:06:43 Well, i really don't know how many alliances actually tried to sign up, how many didnt even try after seeing that the list is full and how many would yet consider signing up. Still, we are getting to the point, where it might be worth having qualifiers decide who gets into the 40 group slots instead of limiting the number of participants. Sure this probably means more matches, but gives everyone an equal chance to compete regardless of the ammount of people signing up in the specified signup window. This is merely a suggestion for the next tournaments. Also as common in similar formats, the winners of the last tournament should be reserved a group slot without question, allowing them to skip the qualifiers. Now you dont necessarily want to have all qualifier matches shown on EVE TV - if you want to show any at all - but they would still solve the problem of people not getting a chance to participate. Once you've got yor 40 participants, you can just go on as usual. --------------------------------------------- Comments in this post are mine and mine only
maGz The Hoodie Mafia Cosa Nostra.	Posted - 2008.01.18 12:15:00 - [64] Originally by: MortyM Edited by: MortyM on 18/01/2008 12:02:46 Originally by: maGz Originally by: MortyM Originally by: joefishy Theres alot of****gotory in this thread... Guys dont moan because you expect ccp to save you slots .. 40 teams managed to sighn up on time first.. you guys just needed to be quicker dont be all ass hats and moan to ccp about it they doing a good job atm and you guys are just being plain dumb expecting favratism and expecting spots. 40 teams managed to sighn up first... why didnt you sighn up? Because there are only 40 spots in the tournament... How hard is it to understand that? If some of the people that are left out now would have been faster then some of the people that are in now would have been left out. If people would have been faster it wouldn't have solved anything, just shifted the problem to other people. If that had happened, we probably wouldn't witness a massive whine concert as most of the "no-name" alliances probably doesn't have huge egos, making them think that they're more entitled to a spot in the tournament than anyone else. Who says it would have been the no-name alliances that would have been left out then ? In fact IAC had spot number 39, so they would be one of the first to 'get left out if other people would have been faster'. Now I may not be a big fan of IAC in game, but they sure as hell deserve a spot more then "When Fat Kids Attack". Why? Does the fact that you've lost more isk than anyone else in the alliance tournaments give you more right to participate than anyone else? You're grasping for straws here... It's a plain case of someone not bothering to apply on time, and while I agree that the reigning champions should be in by default, I do not agree that anyone else should receive preferential treatment, just because they lost a lot isk in previous tournament/performed well/smacked the devs while fighting/etc.. ____________
Urgomar Four Rings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.18 12:18:00 - [65] In fact it will be a welcome change. 95% of the time people only speak of the big alliances, lets give some exposure to the smaller ones too. I understand you might be pised because you missed the spot, but hey man, all alliances had the same chances of grabbing a spot! Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
MortyM Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.18 12:24:00 - [66] Edited by: MortyM on 18/01/2008 12:24:23 Edited by: MortyM on 18/01/2008 12:24:10 Originally by: Urgomar In fact it will be a welcome change. 95% of the time people only speak of the big alliances, lets give some exposure to the smaller ones too. I understand you might be pised because you missed the spot, but hey man, all alliances had the same chances of grabbing a spot! I'm not upset because 'we' missed a spot, I personally wouldn't be involved in it anyway. I'm upset because the tournament with all the no-names is just not interesting for the viewers at all. Honestly who gives a crap whether Green Alliance beats Molotov Coalition or vice versa ?
Urgomar Four Rings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.18 12:32:00 - [67] In fact if green alliance innovative setup beats out molotov alliance expensive setup people might be more interestedthan seeing BOB turtle setup and goon ECM setup cancelling each other for nothing. My point its not the name of the players which makes the quality of the competition. Yet I understand your point, but in fact, if you look, theres also a lot of big names, so we have a balance between famous alliances and little known (even unknown) ones. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Malar HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.01.18 12:40:00 - [68] Edited by: Malar on 18/01/2008 12:41:38 Originally by: MortyM Edited by: MortyM on 18/01/2008 12:24:23 Edited by: MortyM on 18/01/2008 12:24:10 Originally by: Urgomar In fact it will be a welcome change. 95% of the time people only speak of the big alliances, lets give some exposure to the smaller ones too. I understand you might be pised because you missed the spot, but hey man, all alliances had the same chances of grabbing a spot! I'm not upset because 'we' missed a spot, I personally wouldn't be involved in it anyway. I'm upset because the tournament with all the no-names is just not interesting for the viewers at all. Honestly who gives a crap whether Green Alliance beats Molotov Coalition or vice versa ? Just remember, while a fight between two underdogs might not be fascinating compared to a fight between two elite groups, what people really love to see is how the underdog fares against the big boys. They love to see unexpected twists and people winning against the odds. You can't have that if all you get is big elite groups, but you can't have it without them either. While you are right that noone cares if Green Alliance beats Molotov Coalition. If one or the other would manage to beat one of the big groups, they would definitely make it into the headlines. --------------------------------------------- Comments in this post are mine and mine only
Friedrick Psitalon The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.01.18 12:58:00 - [69] I respect what you're saying there, Morty, but by the same token - it might be interesting to see some small no-name alliance enter the tournament now, that ends up becoming a powerhouse down the road. "Look when they were small, inexperienced and humble" and all that. I'm not trying to portray myself as the advocate for the small guy, what with my own position these days, but the above is worth a thought or two. Most alliances probably won't become a powerhouse one day, true, but it might be interesting to see the one who does from the roots.
Gutsani The Hoodie Mafia Cosa Nostra.	Posted - 2008.01.18 13:00:00 - [70] Originally by: MortyM I'm upset because the tournament with all the no-names is just not interesting for the viewers at all. I dont see why this would be the case, why would BoB vs Goons be more interesting then, oh .. CON. vs CI (yarr ) ? I remember from last time, HUN was not well known, same for PL. Are you saying the fights they did and the tactics they used were not interesting at all, just cause they arnt "big"? I dont get it.. Sig Locked. Moderator abuse.
Recluse Viramor Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.18 13:03:00 - [71] The tournament should be expanded IMO, as TWD mentioned. Previous tournaments were more exclusive and had a higher bar of entry with rules that encouraged the use of expensive faction ships and implants; but now thats changed and there isnt really anything holding any alliance back it creates a situation that we now have, with probably more alliances wanting to participate than the 40 already signed up.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.18 13:04:00 - [72] It's going to be a pretty hollow victory for whoever ends up winning this time.. "Yay I won because the best teams were absent." woo 's utter crap if BoB and HUN aren't both in the tournament. I'm pretty disappointed by Burn Eden not being in too :\ They always brought something interesting. http://eve.klaki.net/
Recluse Viramor Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.18 13:12:00 - [73] Originally by: Gutsani Originally by: MortyM I'm upset because the tournament with all the no-names is just not interesting for the viewers at all. I dont see why this would be the case, why would BoB vs Goons be more interesting then, oh .. CON. vs CI (yarr ) ? I remember from last time, HUN was not well known, same for PL. Are you saying the fights they did and the tactics they used were not interesting at all, just cause they arnt "big"? I dont get it.. It's not just about having interesting fights, it's about the reputations and identities these alliances have behind them that makes people want to watch. To use your example, HUN and PL have a few years of history in eve behind them, perhaps not as the alliance they exist as today but I certainly looked forward to their fights as both are known for their abilities.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.18 13:14:00 - [74] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk It's going to be a pretty hollow victory for whoever ends up winning this time.. "Yay I won because the best teams were absent." woo IIRC HUN didn't have to fight BoB during the last competition. They clearly don't feel that their victory was hollow, however. People will mostly remember who won the final, not who didn't enter. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.18 13:34:00 - [75] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk It's going to be a pretty hollow victory for whoever ends up winning this time.. "Yay I won because the best teams were absent." woo IIRC HUN didn't have to fight BoB during the last competition. They clearly don't feel that their victory was hollow, however. People will mostly remember who won the final, not who didn't enter. This, basically. I know that if we won this time the team wouldn't be thinking "This is hollow.", we'd be thinking "OMGBBQWEWIN" etc.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.18 13:49:00 - [76] HUN did get to beat the guys who beat the guys who beat BoB tho and the fight between SF and BoB was the most epic one in the last tournament, BoB and HUN should both be in because the tournament would be more fun, more entertaining, more epic and give me opportunity for revenge on BoB for beating me in semi-finals twice ;d http://eve.klaki.net/
kessah Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.18 14:01:00 - [77] Hate to say it Red Skull but you guys got the shaft on this one. I personally was shocked to hear Trevidian was actually whats a good word here... Defecting? to the Cruel Intentions. Seems that flying with Tank CEO, Evil Edna, and many other supposed 'good' pilots is more important that flying your colours. Sorry trev but that wasnt cool when i heard that. Large reason why Tbone and myself left and created our own alliances -no loyalty, that coupled with the fact there were too many chiefs not enough indians i suppose.
Lazal Nahn Amarr Nebula Rasa Logistics Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2008.01.18 14:06:00 - [78] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk HUN did get to beat the guys who beat the guys who beat BoB tho and the fight between SF and BoB was the most epic one in the last tournament, BoB and HUN should both be in because the tournament would be more fun, more entertaining, more epic and give me opportunity for revenge on BoB for beating me in semi-finals twice ;d Being beaten by BOB in the semifinals and now wanting revenge? Sounds familiar... Ps: We are not large either but we always were under the top 16
parimothem The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.01.18 14:17:00 - [79] why not change the format a little bit u could change the tourny to 3 weeks where first week u would have a pre bracket round if u had 80 u could reduce it to 40 in one weekend and if u dont get 80 alliances it would just be drawn out of a hat who would automaticly go to the next round and who would have to compete for it
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence	Posted - 2008.01.18 15:12:00 - [80] As far as BoB is concerned, they have at least 1000 members, judging from the alliance rankings. It is beyond me how no one bothered to make sure they sign up in time. Right now, we see excuses about how "the threshold is lower", and how that made "the big names" drop out. But if you knew that, you knew you had to sign up earlier, rather than wait 2 weeks and expect to be guaranteed a spot. And still, it took 2 and a half days for the signups to fill up. If you'd simply have signed up on the first day there would have been no problem at all. Question is, why did people wait? Coming up with an answer like "no one knew" won't fly here - If you really wanted to be in the tournament, at least 1 guy in your alliance would have payed enough attention to see the bright orange neon news posts, and the stickies in the tournament forum. EVE History Wiki
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence	Posted - 2008.01.18 15:15:00 - [81] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk It's going to be a pretty hollow victory for whoever ends up winning this time.. "Yay I won because the best teams were absent." woo 's utter crap if BoB and HUN aren't both in the tournament. I'm pretty disappointed by Burn Eden not being in too :\ They always brought something interesting. In other words, winning the tourney over teams like MC, CI, PL and (hell yes) IAC would make the eventual small "noname" alliance feel like it was a hollow victory? If you really want BoB and HUN to be in, you know exactly what you can do :) Still, odd to see people willing to spend ISK on quite a lot of faction implants, ships and the likes, but when they don't have to they'd rather keep the ISK and not play at all. EVE History Wiki
Maximada Minmatar eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.01.18 15:31:00 - [82] Well shame about some big names not in the tourney. I definately think that its a shame and silly tbh that last years winners arent in the tournament. If any places should have been reserved then you have to reserve one spot for the defending champions, Thats just common sense isnt it? Well anyway we made the list so good luck to all involved and see you in the arena. Max
Chronos VIII Amarr Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.18 15:31:00 - [83] Originally by: Gutsani Originally by: MortyM I'm upset because the tournament with all the no-names is just not interesting for the viewers at all. I dont see why this would be the case, why would BoB vs Goons be more interesting then, oh .. CON. vs CI (yarr ) ? I remember from last time, HUN was not well known, same for PL. Are you saying the fights they did and the tactics they used were not interesting at all, just cause they arnt "big"? I dont get it.. I'll give ya some points: 1. BoB is the pvp powerhouse in eve. 2. Goons became a major pvp force. 3. CON sucks - who are you anyways. 4. Hun was well-known, and people that are actually playing this game knew about their pvp skills. 5. Yes. It was a special moment when hun defeated the mighty bob - the winners of all previous 3(?) tournaments. Its nothing special if Hun would have beaten CON. No1 cares. Deal with it. It's a shame that the best pvp alliances are not allowed to enter.
Berand The Scope	Posted - 2008.01.18 16:00:00 - [84] Originally by: GM Nova The list of participants will stand as it is unless a participant drops out or is bribed out. Yes, this means that it is perfectly ok with us to bribe a team to withdraw. The only requirement being that the executor of the bribed alliance needs to publicly announce that they are pulling out. (No scams allowed) To HUN Reloaded; we really expected you to sign up along with BoB and other well known Alliances. The signup date was advertised in advance so we figured everyone had the same chance of applying and would be well aware of the signup date. I understand your frustration but unfortunately we can not change the signup rules retroactively. We did not anticipate that all the spots would be taken after only two and a half day. In the past it has been more of an effort to get participants. I think this situation requires us to rethink the signup process for any future tournaments to automatically include the biggest alliances as well as the reigning champion. HUN Reloaded is the first reserve so should a team drop out, they are in. This first-come-first-serve is a change, actually. When I was in ASCN back in 2006, I know for a fact that they were contacted by the organizers and asked if they were getting in. In other words, their spot was reserved. Because people wanted to see the biggest alliance in the game at the time fighting. You're welcome to hold fast to your unreasonable entry rules. Just don't expect a lot of us to like it. Who's ever heard of a freakin' tournament where the defending champion doesn't automatically get a bid?
maGz The Hoodie Mafia Cosa Nostra.	Posted - 2008.01.18 16:06:00 - [85] Edited by: maGz on 18/01/2008 16:06:07 Originally by: Chronos VIII Originally by: Gutsani Originally by: MortyM I'm upset because the tournament with all the no-names is just not interesting for the viewers at all. I dont see why this would be the case, why would BoB vs Goons be more interesting then, oh .. CON. vs CI (yarr ) ? I remember from last time, HUN was not well known, same for PL. Are you saying the fights they did and the tactics they used were not interesting at all, just cause they arnt "big"? I dont get it.. I'll give ya some points: 1. BoB is the pvp powerhouse in eve. 2. Goons became a major pvp force. 3. CON sucks - who are you anyways. 4. Hun was well-known, and people that are actually playing this game knew about their pvp skills. 5. Yes. It was a special moment when hun defeated the mighty bob - the winners of all previous 3(?) tournaments. Its nothing special if Hun would have beaten CON. No1 cares. Deal with it. It's a shame that the best pvp alliances are not allowed to enter. So you don't know us (CON.), yet still deduct that we suck? If only everyone was as educated as you... We might not even have had a discussion then as everyone would have applied in time... ____________
Berand The Scope	Posted - 2008.01.18 16:06:00 - [86] Originally by: Gutsani Originally by: MortyM I'm upset because the tournament with all the no-names is just not interesting for the viewers at all. I dont see why this would be the case, why would BoB vs Goons be more interesting then, oh .. CON. vs CI (yarr ) ? I remember from last time, HUN was not well known, same for PL. Are you saying the fights they did and the tactics they used were not interesting at all, just cause they arnt "big"? I dont get it.. It absolutely makes a difference. When Star Fraction beat BoB last time, it was far and away the most exciting fight of the tournament. Major underdog triumphs over three-time defending champion. It doesn't get any better. And it wasn't because the technical aspects of that fight were any more interesting than any other at the time.
Tigertex Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2008.01.18 16:07:00 - [87] So since Hun know where they on the standby can we have a list of the complete standby list
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.01.18 16:08:00 - [88] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 18/01/2008 16:08:30 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Contenders; IAC, PL, MC, SF, Red Skull, Atlas Alliance, The Five? Least likely to succeed; Tri Teams I would've wanted to see in; AAA, RA, GoonSwarm, BoB, Hun Reloaded, Burn Eden Thanks for thinking of us Tyrrax, but in all honesty as long as people like Nova and James are in charge of these things, you will NEVER see us again. If they ever turn this tournament over to a player counsel we would be honored to join again and fight alongside our fellow playerbase. Just an idea for Nova, If there are so many teams wanting to get in.... open it up. The more the better IMO, but I know you are set in your ways and say screw you to any alternatives, so good luck to the waiting list. 0/ WildCat
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.01.18 16:10:00 - [89] Originally by: Chronos VIII It's a shame that the best pvp alliances are not allowed to enter. They were allowed to enter just like anyone else, slacked and now complain they arent getting any special treatment. You cant blame the smaller alliances for actually following the rules and respecting the sign up schedule - if you think the tourney will turn out to be a meaningless fight between a bunch of nobodies the faul will be (pick one): [ ] CCP's fault [ ] small alliance's fault [ ] 2k people alliance's fault that didnt bother signing up withing TWO days - Gob IXC Recruitment
Berand The Scope	Posted - 2008.01.18 16:14:00 - [90] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Chronos VIII You cant blame the smaller alliances for actually following the rules and respecting the sign up schedule - if you think the tourney will turn out to be a meaningless fight between a bunch of nobodies the faul will be (pick one): You're right, I don't blame the smaller alliances at all. [X] CCP's fault [ ] small alliance's fault [ ] 2k people alliance's fault that didnt bother signing up withing TWO days Thanks, good poll.

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