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Gutsani
The Hoodie Mafia Cosa Nostra.
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Posted - 2008.01.18 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
[ ] CCP's fault [ ] small alliance's fault [X] 2k people alliance's fault that didnt bother signing up withing TWO days
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MortyM
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.18 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Gutsani
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
[ ] CCP's fault [ ] small alliance's fault [X] 2k people alliance's fault that didnt bother signing up withing TWO days
What do you think would have happend if those alliances did sign up faster ? It wouldn't solve anything, it would have just shifted the problem to other people. The time limit really is irrelevant.
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Gutsani
The Hoodie Mafia Cosa Nostra.
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Posted - 2008.01.18 16:28:00 -
[93]
Originally by: MortyM
Originally by: Gutsani
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
[ ] CCP's fault [ ] small alliance's fault [X] 2k people alliance's fault that didnt bother signing up withing TWO days
What do you think would have happend if those alliances did sign up faster ? It wouldn't solve anything, it would have just shifted the problem to other people. The time limit really is irrelevant.
do you see any small alliances emocry here claiming they are entitled to a place in the alliance tourney because they are uber pvp powerhouses and are well known? 
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dodge2005
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.18 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: MortyM
I'm not upset because 'we' missed a spot, I personally wouldn't be involved in it anyway. I'm upset because the tournament with all the no-names is just not interesting for the viewers at all. Honestly who gives a crap whether Green Alliance beats Molotov Coalition or vice versa ?
now now, clearly we are more epic than BOB. 
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MortyM
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.18 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gutsani
Originally by: MortyM
Originally by: Gutsani
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
[ ] CCP's fault [ ] small alliance's fault [X] 2k people alliance's fault that didnt bother signing up withing TWO days
What do you think would have happend if those alliances did sign up faster ? It wouldn't solve anything, it would have just shifted the problem to other people. The time limit really is irrelevant.
do you see any small alliances emocry here claiming they are entitled to a place in the alliance tourney because they are uber pvp powerhouses and are well known? 
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exactly
Ignoring the fact that it would no way guarantee that those big alliances would get in over the no-name ones and not over the big alliances that are in now.
Yes, I do. I see you.
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Lazal Nahn
Amarr Nebula Rasa Logistics Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2008.01.18 16:33:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Lazal Nahn on 18/01/2008 16:35:59 Thats all well and good but we've seen the larger alliances getting kicked out by very small alliances several times now. Why should they get special treatment?
I do agree about HUN however.They should be allowed to defend their cup.
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MortyM
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.18 16:41:00 -
[97]
Edited by: MortyM on 18/01/2008 16:41:16 I see that some of those no-name alliances that got in are already celebrating it as a victory over the big ones. And thats EXACTLY the reason why this selection sucks, wouldn't be much more awesome if you could accomplish that victory in the tournament itself? Wouldn't that be much more rewarding?
At least I know I would find THAT much more entertaning to watch.
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melaeric
The Hull Miners Union The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.01.18 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: kessah Hate to say it Red Skull but you guys got the shaft on this one.
I personally was shocked to hear Trevidian was actually whats a good word here... Defecting? to the Cruel Intentions. Seems that flying with Tank CEO, Evil Edna, and many other supposed 'good' pilots is more important that flying your colours.
Sorry trev but that wasnt cool when i heard that.
Thanx Kessah, Yeah I'm a little surprised that Trev could even withdraw Red Skull considering he was removed as executor some time back....
My Question is how did this group know CI was next in line... seems like it worked out just perfect, Trev wanted to fly with his elite group and there it is; if he defects CI is next in line and they can all go and join an empty alliance with no problems.
Systems corrupt, Mel
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Seijin DiHelenti
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.18 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: MortyM Edited by: MortyM on 18/01/2008 16:41:16 I see that some of those no-name alliances that got in are already celebrating it as a victory over the big ones. And thats EXACTLY the reason why this selection sucks, wouldn't be much more awesome if you could accomplish that victory in the tournament itself? Wouldn't that be much more rewarding?
At least I know I would find THAT much more entertaning to watch.
I indeed would love to see that and thats what everyone should want to see. Not that we can do anything about it now since CCP is firm on their decision it seems but is everyone really settling for this? Or is it that there are some really bitter people out there? Nothing like David vs. Goliath-esque fights. It's good "TV" and good for the game.
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maGz
The Hoodie Mafia Cosa Nostra.
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Posted - 2008.01.18 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: MortyM Edited by: MortyM on 18/01/2008 16:41:16 I see that some of those no-name alliances that got in are already celebrating it as a victory over the big ones. And thats EXACTLY the reason why this selection sucks, wouldn't be much more awesome if you could accomplish that victory in the tournament itself? Wouldn't that be much more rewarding?
At least I know I would find THAT much more entertaning to watch.
Not celebration, more amusement over someone emocrying, because they thought they were the center of the universe and were proven wrong  ____________
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Gutsani
The Hoodie Mafia Cosa Nostra.
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Posted - 2008.01.18 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: maGz
Originally by: MortyM Edited by: MortyM on 18/01/2008 16:41:16 I see that some of those no-name alliances that got in are already celebrating it as a victory over the big ones. And thats EXACTLY the reason why this selection sucks, wouldn't be much more awesome if you could accomplish that victory in the tournament itself? Wouldn't that be much more rewarding?
At least I know I would find THAT much more entertaning to watch.
Not celebration, more amusement over someone emocrying, because they thought they were the center of the universe and were proven wrong 
maGz, you forgotten to tell him .. this was all planned 4 years ago.
I love it when a plan comes together!
Tick Tock.
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Life Machine
Caldari Damned Legion Mournival Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.18 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Life Machine on 18/01/2008 17:28:06
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: MortyM Edited by: MortyM on 18/01/2008 16:41:16 I see that some of those no-name alliances that got in are already celebrating it as a victory over the big ones. And thats EXACTLY the reason why this selection sucks, wouldn't be much more awesome if you could accomplish that victory in the tournament itself? Wouldn't that be much more rewarding?
At least I know I would find THAT much more entertaning to watch.
Not celebration, more amusement over someone emocrying, because they thought they were the center of the universe and were proven wrong 
They still are the center of the universe...they just aren't getting to show of their tactical skills and brute strength of SPs over the smaller alliances, who may equally have just as good tactics with just as many SPs (although highly unlikely). Fact is, some of those alliances in the list are COMPLETE nobody's, as in known by them and people blue or red to them. Last tournament, I knew of most of the teams that were in it, excluding a couple, which made me want to watch more intently. I'm a big Tri-fanboi, and I would've loved to see them take on Goons and BoB in a structured tournament where it isn't down to guerilla tactics or blob warfare, but to see which is more tactically adept. This isn't going to be the case now, so I'm a bit disappointed at that. On the note of HUN Reloaded, I feel sorry that they don't get to defend their title like they should, but just because they're defending shouldn't make them think they're different from everyone else that's required to sign up on time and by their own accord. I think this tournament will be just as interesting as ever, but with a few more "Complete unknowns" which although will disappoint me, won't ruin the tournament for me.
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Pulsar Solaris
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.18 17:51:00 -
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Excuse me, I care if Green Alliance beats Molotov Coalition or vice versa. Then again, I don't count.
Now all the popular kids can go back to beating each other off over who get's what spot at the lunch table.
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Cairo dog
Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.18 17:52:00 -
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Does it matter who fights as long as the fights are entertaining? -------------------------------------
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Malar
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2008.01.18 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Malar on 18/01/2008 18:38:09 Just as a sidenote, only one person was really "emocrying" here, and thats me. Sure there are quite a few people who are wondering about how some pretty big names are left out of the lineup. I don't know how many of those did not sign up intentionally, and how many have missed it like we did.
To get the facts straight: i was in no way crying. I never asked anyone to step back for us, havent begged CCP to change the rules, merely stated that a tournament where the reigning champ is not able to defend his title is not as serious as it could be.
CCP knows this, its a mistake on their part for not contacting us as it is a mistake on our part for not monitoring the forums more closely. The reasons for that were also discusses already.
What now? Well, I really don't want anyone to step back from the tournament and tbh i doubt it will happen. I would never ask CCP to kick any participants on our behavior and would probably not even accept such a place. I'm not looking for the mark: "look, here is the alliance that only got in because xyz was kicked out".
All in one, what we have now sucks. We forgot to sign up, CCP forgot to ask and now after the participant list has been published, theres not much anyone else can do.
I appreciate Nova's act of placing us on top of the reserves list, its about the only possible thing right now - within realistic limits - to try and correct the situation.
I just dont think it will help. Then again I hope that this case will trigger some well needed changes in the tournament structure for the future and help in moving the tournament towards a format where obviously flawed situations like this one can't happen.
As for people cheering for us not getting in or telling us to shut up and go on with our lives respecting those 'smaller' alliances who rightfully got their place:
I'm happy you got in, whoever you are.. really.. Still you are a noone in the eyes of about everyone else besides you. How do you know? Guess what.. thats pretty much like how we came to the tournament last time. Heres a tip for you. If you ever want to be respected, then first you must start to respect those who already achieved something. Be it greatness through building an empire, greatness through winning the cup 3 times or greatness through having some of the biggest names in the game amongst their members.
Thats about it, so please stop posting crap about who is whining and who is not. --------------------------------------------- *Comments in this post are mine and mine only* |

Pitypang
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Posted - 2008.01.18 19:04:00 -
[106]
Dear CCP,
I would like to ask a question, if possible... ----------- What is going to happen, if a dedicated few players, after creating 40+ dummy alliances, are reacting first to the sign in call in the next year's tournament? They would send you 40*1 Billion ISK as entry fee and they would follow all requirements to participate with their dummy alliances as the only ones in the Tournament. Would you change the entry rule? ----------- Thank you for your kind answer.
With all respect I do not want to discuss your current decision, I'm only asking a hypothetical question. 
Kind regards
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Maximada
Minmatar eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.01.18 19:17:00 -
[107]
Originally by: MortyM Edited by: MortyM on 18/01/2008 16:41:16 I see that some of those no-name alliances that got in are already celebrating it as a victory over the big ones. And thats EXACTLY the reason why this selection sucks, wouldn't be much more awesome if you could accomplish that victory in the tournament itself? Wouldn't that be much more rewarding?
At least I know I would find THAT much more entertaning to watch.
No-name alliances? at least they took the extremely difficult 3 seconds of thought to enter themselves. Im just surprised that for an alliance with over 1000 members not one of you reminded your boss to put your alliance forward in time.
Your lack of communication between yourselves shows here on these forums and even more so ingame by the fact that your failing in Providence.
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gusta
The Hoodie Mafia Cosa Nostra.
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Posted - 2008.01.18 19:17:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Pitypang Dear CCP,
I would like to ask a question, if possible... ----------- What is going to happen, if a dedicated few players, after creating 40+ dummy alliances, are reacting first to the sign in call in the next year's tournament? They would send you 40*1 Billion ISK as entry fee and they would follow all requirements to participate with their dummy alliances as the only ones in the Tournament. Would you change the entry rule? ----------- Thank you for your kind answer.
With all respect I do not want to discuss your current decision, I'm only asking a hypothetical question. 
Kind regards
Awsome next year i think ill shell out 80 bil to control the tourny
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kessah
Blood Corsair's Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.01.18 19:45:00 -
[109]
Originally by: melaeric
Originally by: kessah Hate to say it Red Skull but you guys got the shaft on this one.
I personally was shocked to hear Trevidian was actually whats a good word here... Defecting? to the Cruel Intentions. Seems that flying with Tank CEO, Evil Edna, and many other supposed 'good' pilots is more important that flying your colours.
Sorry trev but that wasnt cool when i heard that.
Thanx Kessah, Yeah I'm a little surprised that Trev could even withdraw Red Skull considering he was removed as executor some time back....
My Question is how did this group know CI was next in line... seems like it worked out just perfect, Trev wanted to fly with his elite group and there it is; if he defects CI is next in line and they can all go and join an empty alliance with no problems.
Systems corrupt, Mel
Its been going on for centuries mate, remember Cruel Intentions were on Eve TV in force in August, course they will get that inch... hippocracy. Id like to think it was coincidence, but common sense keeps me from that assumption.
Not one single person or prize in this game would ever drag me from my Alliance. It would be an abomination of all i hold dear in this game.
TBH i feel sorry for you lads in the Red Skull, specially when i saw that some of you thought it was a typo and u got dropped by accident. Gut wrenching tbh.
If you guys feel like Red Skull isnt what it once was i think you should chat to Jackolena or Tbone, im sure they would give you a good home.
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gusta
The Hoodie Mafia Cosa Nostra.
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Posted - 2008.01.18 20:00:00 -
[110]
Edited by: gusta on 18/01/2008 20:01:28 kessah might want to take tbone off that list as he is now in spartan industries, wich has a fair few of pilots on the CI team.
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kessah
Blood Corsair's Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.01.18 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: gusta Edited by: gusta on 18/01/2008 20:01:28 kessah might want to take tbone off that list as he is now in spartan industries, wich has a fair few of pilots on the CI team.
Ridiculous.
I cant believe people are so focused on winning they would shame themselves in this way tbfh.
Well ive learnt alot of truth today. Quite disgusted with them tbh, just because some guy posts youtube videos of themselves winning eve dont mean a god damn fking thing...
Anyone that knocks CI out the tournament gets my personal gratitude. Grab all the 'l33t' players you want, just guna have the bit more bitter taste if you get knocked out.
Loyalty is worth so much more.
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Citizen Gkar
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Posted - 2008.01.18 20:32:00 -
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Quote: remember Cruel Intentions were on Eve TV in force in August, course they will get that inch...
Yeah, Don't forget who mindstar actually is either...
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Celedris
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.01.18 20:57:00 -
[113]
No HUN, no AAA, no Burn Eden, no BOB, no RA or Goons. IAC just barely got in by the skin of their teeth. Hardly worth following; As Tyrrax said, it will be a hollow victory for whoever wins.
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gusta
The Hoodie Mafia Cosa Nostra.
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Posted - 2008.01.18 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: gusta on 18/01/2008 21:11:54
Originally by: Celedris No HUN, no AAA, no Burn Eden, no BOB, no RA or Goons. IAC just barely got in by the skin of their teeth. Hardly worth following; As Tyrrax said, it will be a hollow victory for whoever wins.
You can hardly say it will be a hollow victory, there are still a couple teams worth noting on the roster. so some of the bigger alliances didnt get in, they should have signed up as soon as they could.
In other news if said alliances feel that they need to be in the alliance tourny, Cosa Nostra may take a "bribe" highly unlikly as the alliance was created to take part in the tourny, but if the isk is right we might :p
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maGz
The Hoodie Mafia Cosa Nostra.
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Posted - 2008.01.18 21:18:00 -
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I'd actually love to see FATTY vs CI. That would the epicsupremeomgwtfbbqlollerskates battle of the egos 
In other news - IAC getting frustrated with cloakers in their home-systems... c/d?  ____________
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.01.18 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk It's going to be a pretty hollow victory for whoever ends up winning this time.. "Yay I won because the best teams were absent." woo
's utter crap if BoB and HUN aren't both in the tournament. I'm pretty disappointed by Burn Eden not being in too :\ They always brought something interesting.
Don't know about that, RA was never in these things were they?
Perhaps a qualifier tournament for new entries? Something to test the new format in.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.18 21:23:00 -
[117]
There's still some top notch teams in the fight
Pandemic Legion and Cruel Intentions are the only ones I'd really put on a level with BoB but Triumvirate, MC, SF, Five, Atlas Alliance, IAC, Ushra'Khan should all provide an interesting show / good fights
I'd be quite happy with the lineup if BoB, HUN and Burn Eden were in ;d
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.18 21:24:00 -
[118]
I only remember RA competing in the first one, they sucked and never came back 
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Evil Edna
Seal Cub Clubbing Club
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Posted - 2008.01.18 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: kessah Edited by: kessah on 18/01/2008 20:42:49
Originally by: gusta Edited by: gusta on 18/01/2008 20:01:28 kessah might want to take tbone off that list as he is now in spartan industries, wich has a fair few of pilots on the CI team.
Ridiculous.
I cant believe people are so focused on winning they would shame themselves in this way tbfh.
Well ive learnt alot of truth today. Quite disgusted with them tbh, just because some guy posts youtube videos of themselves winning eve dont mean a god damn thing...
Anyone that knocks CI out the tournament gets my personal gratitude. Grab all the 'l33t' players you want, just guna have the bit more bitter taste if you get knocked out.
Loyalty is worth so much more.
bitter much? 
fyi Spartan Industries isnt in CI anymore, (CI is no longer a active alliance) and Tbone joining SPA has nothing at all to do with the CI tourney team.
i hope youre gonna clean up the mess your high horse will be dropping
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kessah
Blood Corsair's Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.01.18 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: kessah on 18/01/2008 22:59:01 lol mate im not bitter in the least. You can quote me on that.
I was dissapointed at Trevidian and all the guys i thought were cool guys in kr0m when i was there and Red Skull- you arent the same at all. Your all for the glory and not for the name and really im not disgusted, i pity you. Because at least the alliance guys (as shameful carebears, and blobbers as they are) stand for something, a loyalty to something.
You guys however thought "wow, tank ceo was amazing when dual mwd's were about, and damn wasnt ifni great when he was 250km off gate in his crow, lets join them!"
Lets see if the bet pays off eh?
CI might not be active no more, but its the same people so whatever u want to call yourselfs its merely a formality.
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