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Atlas Alliance
Blade.
Blood Blind
Brutally Clever Empire
Cosa Nostra.
Cry Havoc.
Dawn of Transcendence
DeStInY.
Divine 0rder
Elemental Fury
Ethereal Dawn
Ev0ke
Exa Nation
eXceed.
Green Alliance
Hydra Alliance
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
KIA Alliance
Mercenary Coalition
Molotov Coalition
Morsus Mihi
Nebula Rasa
Notoriety Alliance
Pandemic Legion
Phalanx Alliance
R0ADKILL
RONA Alliance
SMASH Alliance
Synchr0nicity
The Church.
The Crimson Federation
The Five
The Fourth District
The Kadeshi
The Red Skull
The Star Fraction
Triumvirate.
United Legion
Ushra'Khan
When Fat Kids Attack

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Contenders;
IAC, PL, MC, SF, Red Skull, Atlas Alliance, The Five?

Least likely to succeed;
Tri

Teams I would've wanted to see in;
AAA, RA, GoonSwarm, BoB, Hun Reloaded, Burn Eden

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Originally by: Malar

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Um.. i would like to see us in that list. Dunno how official it is, but i didnt even know the registrations are open and so were quite a few of my mates.

My word: don't count HUN out of this yet. We are not planning on just handing that cup over without a fight.

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Originally by: CCP Mindstar

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If you wish to compete in the tournament - all is not lost! Sometimes alliances pull out, and we will be making a list of reserves that we may contact in the case of a withdrawal. If you want this to be you - please have your Alliance Executor contact GM Nova via EVE Mail as soon as possible.

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Originally by: Commander BlackJack

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failure cascade

Originally by: CCP Mindstar

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If you wish to compete in the tournament - all is not lost! Sometimes alliances pull out, and we will be making a list of reserves that we may contact in the case of a withdrawal. If you want this to be you - please have your Alliance Executor contact GM Nova via EVE Mail as soon as possible.

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Originally by: Evil Edna

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bump n flex

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Originally by: Vandervecken Smith

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As has been said elsewhere, the fact that a 1 man alliance has as much chance of getting in as a 2000 man alliance (or the previous reigning champions) means that signups are broken.
In a world with 300 (or so) equal contenders for 40 spots, you MUST give priority to alliances with respected teams.

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Originally by: Conwen

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Originally by: Vandervecken Smith

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As has been said elsewhere, the fact that a 1 man alliance has as much chance of getting in as a 2000 man alliance (or the previous reigning champions) means that signups are broken.
In a world with 300 (or so) equal contenders for 40 spots, you MUST give priority to alliances with respected teams.

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Excuse me, but HUN Reloaded DID win the championship last year, and did so by beating much more respected alliances then themselves, despite having only 70 or so members. I fail to see how giving a chance to smaller alliances is 'broken'. On the other hand, leaving out the former champions, and thus refusing to give them a chance to defend their title does seem a bit broken.

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Originally by: Evil Edna

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aye not having the regining champions back to try a defense is bad for the tourney as a whole

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Contenders;
IAC, PL, MC, SF, Red Skull, Atlas Alliance, The Five?

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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well you DID lose to us last time ;) but admittedly MC have lost to us too, so I dunno man

all SF did to do to make the list was beat BoB, altho tbh come to think of it they don't really belong on list either

<3 tho !

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Originally by: Malar

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Originally by: Commander BlackJack

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failure cascade

Originally by: CCP Mindstar

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If you wish to compete in the tournament - all is not lost! Sometimes alliances pull out, and we will be making a list of reserves that we may contact in the case of a withdrawal. If you want this to be you - please have your Alliance Executor contact GM Nova via EVE Mail as soon as possible.

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The cup these guys wanna win is in our corp hangar wiseguy, its not like we are just random alliance #99253 wishing to join the tournament. So get your facts straight before posting generic quotes and wiseness. Thanks.

As for how this could have happened, i dont care. My priority right now is to get the situation fixed.

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Originally by: CCP Atropos

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As it stands, the slots have been filled, and the only potential way to compete is as a reserve Alliance. If you really, really want to get a place, you could potentially bribe Alliances to resign, but then the next reserve Alliance might not be your own, so it may take a few attempts

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Originally by: CCP Atropos

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As it stands, the slots have been filled, and the only potential way to compete is as a reserve Alliance. If you really, really want to get a place, you could potentially bribe Alliances to resign, but then the next reserve Alliance might not be your own, so it may take a few attempts

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Originally by: Berand

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Majorly disappointed with this lineup. How the hell can the defending champions not be assured a place? For that matter, BoB won three of the last four tournaments. And now they don't get another shot at regaining their crown?

Bleh. This kills a lot of my interest in watching it.

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Originally by: Mistress Suffering

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I'd have no problem with additional slots being made available. Didn't they do that last time?

Competition is good, and let's face it, we like battles. If there are a ton of alliances who didn't get in, perhaps we should bump the number of openings.

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Originally by: CCP Mindstar

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The Red Skull have withdrawn, first reserves Cruel Intentions will take their place.

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Originally by: CCP Mindstar

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The Red Skull have withdrawn, first reserves Cruel Intentions will take their place.

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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With no more implants allowed, you should have expected to see alot more applicants.

Besides if people wanted to partecipate that badly maybe they should have bothered reading the sticky that was in this forum for over a week before the sign up was opened =o

- Gob

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Originally by: Jonii

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Originally by: CCP Mindstar

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The Red Skull have withdrawn, first reserves Cruel Intentions will take their place.

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We did not withdraw.

Were did you get this idea?

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Originally by: testcharperson

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Let's just say, purely hypothetically, that an alliance, already confirmed as a participant, would be interested in selling their spot to the highest bidder? What would CCP think about this and more importantly; how much would people pay for it?

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Originally by: rocking rocks

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The only people that deserve the vaguest hint of pity here are HUN who should really be allowed back to contest their title.

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Originally by: rocking rocks

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lots of crying going on in here

speaking in all honesty here im glad some of you missed out, I hope it brings you down a peg or 2.

seeing comments about "johnny whoshisname" alliances is the kind of elitist snobbery i used to expect from COAD before the goons turned it into a spamfest.

Even more so given the fact that all you thousand strong alliances got whipped by a 70 man corp in the last tourney.

The only people that deserve the vaguest hint of pity here are HUN who should really be allowed back to contest their title.

Everyone else, REALITY CHECK TIME! You think Tiger Woods doesnt have to register his entry to tournaments cause hes the worlds biggest golfer?

"Mr Woods?"
"yes?"
"You realise your not actually in the Open this year?"
"WHAAAT?"
"Yes you failed to fill in an entry form"
"BUT IM TIGER WOODS, DONT YOU KNOW WHO I AM?"

unlucky.

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Originally by: Chronos VIII

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This tournament hasnt even started yet and its already ftl. No1 wants to see "no-name" alliances. I mean seriously, I dont like Goons or Ra, but they are certainly one of the strongest alliances out there. It's a shame that well-established alliances like bob, a^3, hun and of course burn eden, who all showed awesome matches and interesting tactics in the previous tournaments, are not allowed to participate due to a messed up system.
THINK ABOUT IT!
Chronos

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Originally by: joefishy

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Theres alot of****gotory in this thread...

Guys dont moan because you expect ccp to save you slots ..

40 teams managed to sighn up on time first.. you guys just needed to be quicker

dont be all ass hats and moan to ccp about it they doing a good job atm and you guys are just being plain dumb expecting favratism and expecting spots.

40 teams managed to sighn up first... why didnt you sighn up?

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Originally by: MortyM

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Originally by: joefishy

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Theres alot of****gotory in this thread...

Guys dont moan because you expect ccp to save you slots ..

40 teams managed to sighn up on time first.. you guys just needed to be quicker

dont be all ass hats and moan to ccp about it they doing a good job atm and you guys are just being plain dumb expecting favratism and expecting spots.

40 teams managed to sighn up first... why didnt you sighn up?

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Because there are only 40 spots in the tournament... How hard is it to understand that?
If some of the people that are left out now would have been faster then some of the people that are in now would have been left out. If people would have been faster it wouldn't have solved anything, just shifted the problem to other people.

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Originally by: maGz

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Originally by: MortyM

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Originally by: joefishy

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Theres alot of****gotory in this thread...

Guys dont moan because you expect ccp to save you slots ..

40 teams managed to sighn up on time first.. you guys just needed to be quicker

dont be all ass hats and moan to ccp about it they doing a good job atm and you guys are just being plain dumb expecting favratism and expecting spots.

40 teams managed to sighn up first... why didnt you sighn up?

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Because there are only 40 spots in the tournament... How hard is it to understand that?
If some of the people that are left out now would have been faster then some of the people that are in now would have been left out. If people would have been faster it wouldn't have solved anything, just shifted the problem to other people.

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If that had happened, we probably wouldn't witness a massive whine concert as most of the "no-name" alliances probably doesn't have huge egos, making them think that they're more entitled to a spot in the tournament than anyone else.

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Originally by: MortyM

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Edited by: MortyM on 18/01/2008 12:02:46

Originally by: maGz

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Originally by: MortyM

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Originally by: joefishy

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Theres alot of****gotory in this thread...

Guys dont moan because you expect ccp to save you slots ..

40 teams managed to sighn up on time first.. you guys just needed to be quicker

dont be all ass hats and moan to ccp about it they doing a good job atm and you guys are just being plain dumb expecting favratism and expecting spots.

40 teams managed to sighn up first... why didnt you sighn up?

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Because there are only 40 spots in the tournament... How hard is it to understand that?
If some of the people that are left out now would have been faster then some of the people that are in now would have been left out. If people would have been faster it wouldn't have solved anything, just shifted the problem to other people.

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If that had happened, we probably wouldn't witness a massive whine concert as most of the "no-name" alliances probably doesn't have huge egos, making them think that they're more entitled to a spot in the tournament than anyone else.

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Who says it would have been the no-name alliances that would have been left out then ?

In fact IAC had spot number 39, so they would be one of the first to 'get left out if other people would have been faster'. Now I may not be a big fan of IAC in game, but they sure as hell deserve a spot more then "When Fat Kids Attack".

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Originally by: Urgomar

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In fact it will be a welcome change.

95% of the time people only speak of the big alliances, lets give some exposure to the smaller ones too.

I understand you might be pised because you missed the spot, but hey man, all alliances had the same chances of grabbing a spot!

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Originally by: MortyM

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Edited by: MortyM on 18/01/2008 12:24:23
Edited by: MortyM on 18/01/2008 12:24:10

Originally by: Urgomar

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In fact it will be a welcome change.

95% of the time people only speak of the big alliances, lets give some exposure to the smaller ones too.

I understand you might be pised because you missed the spot, but hey man, all alliances had the same chances of grabbing a spot!

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I'm not upset because 'we' missed a spot, I personally wouldn't be involved in it anyway. I'm upset because the tournament with all the no-names is just not interesting for the viewers at all. Honestly who gives a crap whether Green Alliance beats Molotov Coalition or vice versa ?

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Originally by: MortyM

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I'm upset because the tournament with all the no-names is just not interesting for the viewers at all.

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Originally by: Gutsani

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Originally by: MortyM

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I'm upset because the tournament with all the no-names is just not interesting for the viewers at all.

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I dont see why this would be the case, why would BoB vs Goons be more interesting then, oh .. CON. vs CI (yarr ) ? I remember from last time, HUN was not well known, same for PL. Are you saying the fights they did and the tactics they used were not interesting at all, just cause they arnt "big"?

I dont get it..

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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It's going to be a pretty hollow victory for whoever ends up winning this time..
"Yay I won because the best teams were absent." woo

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Originally by: Rodj Blake

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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It's going to be a pretty hollow victory for whoever ends up winning this time..
"Yay I won because the best teams were absent." woo

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IIRC HUN didn't have to fight BoB during the last competition. They clearly don't feel that their victory was hollow, however.

People will mostly remember who won the final, not who didn't enter.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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HUN did get to beat the guys who beat the guys who beat BoB tho

and the fight between SF and BoB was the most epic one in the last tournament, BoB and HUN should both be in because the tournament would be more fun, more entertaining, more epic and give me opportunity for revenge on BoB for beating me in semi-finals twice ;d

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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It's going to be a pretty hollow victory for whoever ends up winning this time..
"Yay I won because the best teams were absent." woo

's utter crap if BoB and HUN aren't both in the tournament.
I'm pretty disappointed by Burn Eden not being in too :\ They always brought something interesting.

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Originally by: Gutsani

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Originally by: MortyM

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I'm upset because the tournament with all the no-names is just not interesting for the viewers at all.

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I dont see why this would be the case, why would BoB vs Goons be more interesting then, oh .. CON. vs CI (yarr ) ? I remember from last time, HUN was not well known, same for PL. Are you saying the fights they did and the tactics they used were not interesting at all, just cause they arnt "big"?

I dont get it..

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Originally by: GM Nova

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The list of participants will stand as it is unless a participant drops out or is bribed out. Yes, this means that it is perfectly ok with us to bribe a team to withdraw. The only requirement being that the executor of the bribed alliance needs to publicly announce that they are pulling out. (No scams allowed)

To HUN Reloaded; we really expected you to sign up along with BoB and other well known Alliances. The signup date was advertised in advance so we figured everyone had the same chance of applying and would be well aware of the signup date. I understand your frustration but unfortunately we can not change the signup rules retroactively.

We did not anticipate that all the spots would be taken after only two and a half day. In the past it has been more of an effort to get participants. I think this situation requires us to rethink the signup process for any future tournaments to automatically include the biggest alliances as well as the reigning champion.

HUN Reloaded is the first reserve so should a team drop out, they are in.

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Originally by: Chronos VIII

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Originally by: Gutsani

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Originally by: MortyM

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I'm upset because the tournament with all the no-names is just not interesting for the viewers at all.

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I dont see why this would be the case, why would BoB vs Goons be more interesting then, oh .. CON. vs CI (yarr ) ? I remember from last time, HUN was not well known, same for PL. Are you saying the fights they did and the tactics they used were not interesting at all, just cause they arnt "big"?

I dont get it..

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I'll give ya some points:
1. BoB is the pvp powerhouse in eve.
2. Goons became a major pvp force.
3. CON sucks - who are you anyways.
4. Hun was well-known, and people that are actually playing this game knew about their pvp skills.
5. Yes. It was a special moment when hun defeated the mighty bob - the winners of all previous 3(?) tournaments. Its nothing special if Hun would have beaten CON. No1 cares. Deal with it.

It's a shame that the best pvp alliances are not allowed to enter.

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Originally by: Gutsani

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Originally by: MortyM

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I'm upset because the tournament with all the no-names is just not interesting for the viewers at all.

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I dont see why this would be the case, why would BoB vs Goons be more interesting then, oh .. CON. vs CI (yarr ) ? I remember from last time, HUN was not well known, same for PL. Are you saying the fights they did and the tactics they used were not interesting at all, just cause they arnt "big"?

I dont get it..

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Contenders;
IAC, PL, MC, SF, Red Skull, Atlas Alliance, The Five?

Least likely to succeed;
Tri

Teams I would've wanted to see in;
AAA, RA, GoonSwarm, BoB, Hun Reloaded, Burn Eden

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Originally by: Chronos VIII

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It's a shame that the best pvp alliances are not allowed to enter.

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Originally by: Chronos VIII

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You cant blame the smaller alliances for actually following the rules and respecting the sign up schedule - if you think the tourney will turn out to be a
meaningless fight between a bunch of nobodies the faul will be (pick one):

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You're right, I don't blame the smaller alliances at all.

[X] CCP's fault
[ ] small alliance's fault
[ ] 2k people alliance's fault that didnt bother signing up withing TWO days

Thanks, good poll.

Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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[ ] CCP's fault
[ ] small alliance's fault
[X] 2k people alliance's fault that didnt bother signing up withing TWO days

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Originally by: Gutsani

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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[ ] CCP's fault
[ ] small alliance's fault
[X] 2k people alliance's fault that didnt bother signing up withing TWO days

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Originally by: MortyM

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Originally by: Gutsani

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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[ ] CCP's fault
[ ] small alliance's fault
[X] 2k people alliance's fault that didnt bother signing up withing TWO days

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What do you think would have happend if those alliances did sign up faster ?
It wouldn't solve anything, it would have just shifted the problem to other people. The time limit really is irrelevant.

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Originally by: MortyM

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I'm not upset because 'we' missed a spot, I personally wouldn't be involved in it anyway. I'm upset because the tournament with all the no-names is just not interesting for the viewers at all. Honestly who gives a crap whether Green Alliance beats Molotov Coalition or vice versa ?

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Originally by: Gutsani

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Originally by: MortyM

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Originally by: Gutsani

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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[ ] CCP's fault
[ ] small alliance's fault
[X] 2k people alliance's fault that didnt bother signing up withing TWO days

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What do you think would have happend if those alliances did sign up faster ?
It wouldn't solve anything, it would have just shifted the problem to other people. The time limit really is irrelevant.

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do you see any small alliances emocry here claiming they are entitled to a place in the alliance tourney because they are uber pvp powerhouses and are well known?

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exactly

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Originally by: kessah

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Hate to say it Red Skull but you guys got the shaft on this one.

I personally was shocked to hear Trevidian was actually whats a good word here... Defecting? to the Cruel Intentions. Seems that flying with Tank CEO, Evil Edna, and many other supposed 'good' pilots is more important that flying your colours.

Sorry trev but that wasnt cool when i heard that.

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Originally by: MortyM

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Edited by: MortyM on 18/01/2008 16:41:16
I see that some of those no-name alliances that got in are already celebrating it as a victory over the big ones. And thats EXACTLY the reason why this selection sucks, wouldn't be much more awesome if you could accomplish that victory in the tournament itself? Wouldn't that be much more rewarding?

At least I know I would find THAT much more entertaning to watch.

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Originally by: MortyM

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Edited by: MortyM on 18/01/2008 16:41:16
I see that some of those no-name alliances that got in are already celebrating it as a victory over the big ones. And thats EXACTLY the reason why this selection sucks, wouldn't be much more awesome if you could accomplish that victory in the tournament itself? Wouldn't that be much more rewarding?

At least I know I would find THAT much more entertaning to watch.

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Originally by: maGz

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Originally by: MortyM

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Edited by: MortyM on 18/01/2008 16:41:16
I see that some of those no-name alliances that got in are already celebrating it as a victory over the big ones. And thats EXACTLY the reason why this selection sucks, wouldn't be much more awesome if you could accomplish that victory in the tournament itself? Wouldn't that be much more rewarding?

At least I know I would find THAT much more entertaning to watch.

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Not celebration, more amusement over someone emocrying, because they thought they were the center of the universe and were proven wrong

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Originally by: maGz

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Originally by: MortyM

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Edited by: MortyM on 18/01/2008 16:41:16
I see that some of those no-name alliances that got in are already celebrating it as a victory over the big ones. And thats EXACTLY the reason why this selection sucks, wouldn't be much more awesome if you could accomplish that victory in the tournament itself? Wouldn't that be much more rewarding?

At least I know I would find THAT much more entertaning to watch.

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Not celebration, more amusement over someone emocrying, because they thought they were the center of the universe and were proven wrong

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Originally by: MortyM

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Edited by: MortyM on 18/01/2008 16:41:16
I see that some of those no-name alliances that got in are already celebrating it as a victory over the big ones. And thats EXACTLY the reason why this selection sucks, wouldn't be much more awesome if you could accomplish that victory in the tournament itself? Wouldn't that be much more rewarding?

At least I know I would find THAT much more entertaning to watch.

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Originally by: Pitypang

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Dear CCP,

I would like to ask a question, if possible...
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What is going to happen, if a dedicated few players, after creating 40+ dummy alliances, are reacting first to the sign in call in the next year's tournament?
They would send you 40*1 Billion ISK as entry fee and they would follow all requirements to participate with their dummy alliances as the only ones in the Tournament.
Would you change the entry rule?
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Thank you for your kind answer.

With all respect I do not want to discuss your current decision, I'm only asking a hypothetical question.

Kind regards

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Originally by: melaeric

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Originally by: kessah

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Hate to say it Red Skull but you guys got the shaft on this one.

I personally was shocked to hear Trevidian was actually whats a good word here... Defecting? to the Cruel Intentions. Seems that flying with Tank CEO, Evil Edna, and many other supposed 'good' pilots is more important that flying your colours.

Sorry trev but that wasnt cool when i heard that.

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Thanx Kessah, Yeah I'm a little surprised that Trev could even withdraw Red Skull considering he was removed as executor some time back....

My Question is how did this group know CI was next in line... seems like it worked out just perfect, Trev wanted to fly with his elite group and there it is; if he defects CI is next in line and they can all go and join an empty alliance with no problems.

Systems corrupt,
Mel

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Originally by: gusta

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Edited by: gusta on 18/01/2008 20:01:28
kessah might want to take tbone off that list as he is now in spartan industries, wich has a fair few of pilots on the CI team.

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remember Cruel Intentions were on Eve TV in force in August, course they will get that inch...

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Originally by: Celedris

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No HUN, no AAA, no Burn Eden, no BOB, no RA or Goons. IAC just barely got in by the skin of their teeth. Hardly worth following; As Tyrrax said, it will be a hollow victory for whoever wins.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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It's going to be a pretty hollow victory for whoever ends up winning this time..
"Yay I won because the best teams were absent." woo

's utter crap if BoB and HUN aren't both in the tournament.
I'm pretty disappointed by Burn Eden not being in too :\ They always brought something interesting.

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Originally by: kessah

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Edited by: kessah on 18/01/2008 20:42:49

Originally by: gusta

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Edited by: gusta on 18/01/2008 20:01:28
kessah might want to take tbone off that list as he is now in spartan industries, wich has a fair few of pilots on the CI team.

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Ridiculous.

I cant believe people are so focused on winning they would shame themselves in this way tbfh.

Well ive learnt alot of truth today. Quite disgusted with them tbh, just because some guy posts youtube videos of themselves winning eve dont mean a god damn thing...

Anyone that knocks CI out the tournament gets my personal gratitude. Grab all the 'l33t' players you want, just guna have the bit more bitter taste if you get knocked out.

Loyalty is worth so much more.

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Originally by: gusta

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cept i wasnt stating that tbone had anything to do with the tourny i was just pointing out he wasnt in finite anymore. so kessah could take him off his list.

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Originally by: Ituralde

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Ramblings.

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Originally by: gordon cain

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This is so typical Eve. The big allainces think they can get it all just for being big.

Some guys from our alliance was very keen on getting into this tournament for the fun of participating, and was keeping a close eye on sign-up and stuff like that. And made it.

If only those "big" alliances did the same they might have been in the tourney by now.

Personally I dont give a damn about who wins and loose, but even small alliances should have the chance on the same terms as the big alliances.

I have no intention of participating but will cheer for our team. I only hope they will make it to the start without being banned before that

Gordon Cain

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Originally by: GM Nova

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The list of participants will stand as it is unless a participant drops out or is bribed out. Yes, this means that it is perfectly ok with us to bribe a team to withdraw. The only requirement being that the executor of the bribed alliance needs to publicly announce that they are pulling out. (No scams allowed)

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Originally by: Evil Pookie

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I cannot speak for other alliances, but noone in BURN EDEN wanted to compete this time.

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Originally by: "Shiverbrood"

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but even whit that said i dont want to win a second rate tourny. i signed up to compete againes the best. i signed up cus i think we can beat/or have a good fight whit the best teams.

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Originally by: Evil Pookie

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Edited by: Evil Pookie on 19/01/2008 09:55:56
"hey dude, you just won cuz i wasnt there".

It could be worse, you could hear someone say you just won because some hypercondriac faked a medical emergency (insert drunk dev shenanigans here) and GM NOVA runs off to save the day. Leaving Floyd the work experience kid to start the match. Floyd forgets to uncloak and the ecm burst never happened.

Just sayin, someone could say that, not me, coz i'm not the slightest bit bitter!

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Originally by: CCP Mindstar

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The Red Skull have withdrawn, first reserves Cruel Intentions will take their place.

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Originally by: GM Nova

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Originally by: CCP Mindstar

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The Red Skull have withdrawn, first reserves Cruel Intentions will take their place.

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Due to a misunderstanding, Mindstar posted this message. The Red Skull have in fact NOT withdrawn from the tournament. For a team to withdraw, a message must be sent to me or Mindstar from the alliance exacutor.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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The previous tourney winners (and probably runners up too) should get a guarenteed entrance without all the drama to be honest.

But with the game expanding at the rate it has we are eventually going to need pre qualifiers to make sure that everyone who wants a chance to compete gets a chance to compete.

Perhaps have tournament seeding to list alliance teams who have gotten points for having previously gotten past the group stage who will be guarenteed a place in one of 20 slots, with a first come first serve/pre elimination phase for the rest of eve's non-seeded alliance teams competing for the other slots.

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Originally by: Evil Edna

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all spots were filled within 2 days

not everyone is at their pc all the time, not everyone reads the forums all the time, 2 days is quite long enough for the alliance executor to miss this or be away from a pc for.

also previously signups never filled that fast, in fact i remeber the total # of teams being reduced one year as not enough signed up to match the original schedule.

its far from an unthinkable error, and to have many teams from the last 16 of the previous event , not to mention the reigning champions, miss out on isnt just bad for the people involved, but is bad for entertainment value of the tournament and the other teams entered. everyone likes to take a big scalp even if they dont win the main event, had star fraction not knocked bob out, a moment that provoked more reaction from the audience than the final itself, their participation would have been fairly unremarkable.

oppertunity missed

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Originally by: Evil Edna

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bitter much?

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Originally by: cec1

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1. The top 16 in the last tourney.
2. The top 4 in each of the previous 2 (or more) tourneys.
3. The 16 alliances with the most kills in the last 3 months.
4. The 16 alliances with the most points (or value) to their kills in the last 3 months.
5. The 16 alliances with sov on the highest number of systems. (Darwinism.)
6. The 16 alliances with the most total SP. (Size and skill.)
7. The 16 alliances with the highest pilot count. (Viewers.)

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Originally by: Ituralde

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You could always run more than one match at a time. Professional sports has no trouble getting away with it. Maybe have multiple match channels or something so everything can be televised. It's really not *that* big of a deal. Condense it to a single channel for the playoffs. If you stagger it right you can have one side in commentary when the other is in a match. All it takes is a little organization and creative time-play.

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Originally by: MortyM

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Edited by: MortyM on 18/01/2008 12:02:46

Originally by: maGz

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Originally by: MortyM

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Originally by: joefishy

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Theres alot of****gotory in this thread...

Guys dont moan because you expect ccp to save you slots ..

40 teams managed to sighn up on time first.. you guys just needed to be quicker

dont be all ass hats and moan to ccp about it they doing a good job atm and you guys are just being plain dumb expecting favratism and expecting spots.

40 teams managed to sighn up first... why didnt you sighn up?

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Because there are only 40 spots in the tournament... How hard is it to understand that?
If some of the people that are left out now would have been faster then some of the people that are in now would have been left out. If people would have been faster it wouldn't have solved anything, just shifted the problem to other people.

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If that had happened, we probably wouldn't witness a massive whine concert as most of the "no-name" alliances probably doesn't have huge egos, making them think that they're more entitled to a spot in the tournament than anyone else.

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Who says it would have been the no-name alliances that would have been left out then ?

In fact IAC had spot number 39, so they would be one of the first to 'get left out if other people would have been faster'. Now I may not be a big fan of IAC in game, but they sure as hell deserve a spot more then "When Fat Kids Attack".

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Originally by: Gutsani

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Originally by: Evil Edna

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all spots were filled within 2 days

not everyone is at their pc all the time, not everyone reads the forums all the time, 2 days is quite long enough for the alliance executor to miss this or be away from a pc for.

also previously signups never filled that fast, in fact i remeber the total # of teams being reduced one year as not enough signed up to match the original schedule.

its far from an unthinkable error, and to have many teams from the last 16 of the previous event , not to mention the reigning champions, miss out on isnt just bad for the people involved, but is bad for entertainment value of the tournament and the other teams entered. everyone likes to take a big scalp even if they dont win the main event, had star fraction not knocked bob out, a moment that provoked more reaction from the audience than the final itself, their participation would have been fairly unremarkable.

oppertunity missed

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Originally by: Evil Edna

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bitter much?

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indeed, not everyone is at their pc 24/7; but you are. you pretty much live on the scrapheap challenge forums.

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Originally by: kessah

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Originally by: Gutsani

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Originally by: Evil Edna

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all spots were filled within 2 days

not everyone is at their pc all the time, not everyone reads the forums all the time, 2 days is quite long enough for the alliance executor to miss this or be away from a pc for.

also previously signups never filled that fast, in fact i remeber the total # of teams being reduced one year as not enough signed up to match the original schedule.

its far from an unthinkable error, and to have many teams from the last 16 of the previous event , not to mention the reigning champions, miss out on isnt just bad for the people involved, but is bad for entertainment value of the tournament and the other teams entered. everyone likes to take a big scalp even if they dont win the main event, had star fraction not knocked bob out, a moment that provoked more reaction from the audience than the final itself, their participation would have been fairly unremarkable.

oppertunity missed

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Originally by: Evil Edna

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bitter much?

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indeed, not everyone is at their pc 24/7; but you are. you pretty much live on the scrapheap challenge forums.

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o snap

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Originally by: Waywatcher

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All i see is people who didnt get in whining and people that did get in slagging them off. The fact is 2 days isnt a very big time period too relay on one person (i.e alliance exec) some people hardly even use the forums so they are at a massive disadvantage.

We missed out because we couldnt get the exec to enter in time kinda of our fault but also kinda CCPs. I dont see any reason why for 2 weeks before entrance a big thing couldnt have been made about it i.e in-game news/billboards then people arnt required too use the forums too be completly aware of when entrance starts.

Every year things are badly prepared or messed up (evil pookie has a big point). The fact is that all this drama can so easily be diverted with good planning and good orginisation......... but yeah its not as if we pay too play the game!

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Originally by: Evil Edna

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Originally by: kessah

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Edited by: kessah on 18/01/2008 20:42:49

Originally by: gusta

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Edited by: gusta on 18/01/2008 20:01:28
kessah might want to take tbone off that list as he is now in spartan industries, wich has a fair few of pilots on the CI team.

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Ridiculous.

I cant believe people are so focused on winning they would shame themselves in this way tbfh.

Well ive learnt alot of truth today. Quite disgusted with them tbh, just because some guy posts youtube videos of themselves winning eve dont mean a god damn thing...

Anyone that knocks CI out the tournament gets my personal gratitude. Grab all the 'l33t' players you want, just guna have the bit more bitter taste if you get knocked out.

Loyalty is worth so much more.

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bitter much?

fyi Spartan Industries isnt in CI anymore, (CI is no longer a active alliance) and Tbone joining SPA has nothing at all to do with the CI tourney team.

i hope youre gonna clean up the mess your high horse will be dropping

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Originally by: Waywatcher

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All i see is people who didnt get in whining and people that did get in slagging them off. The fact is 2 days isnt a very big time period too relay on one person (i.e alliance exec) some people hardly even use the forums so they are at a massive disadvantage.

We missed out because we couldnt get the exec to enter in time kinda of our fault but also kinda CCPs. I dont see any reason why for 2 weeks before entrance a big thing couldnt have been made about it i.e in-game news/billboards then people arnt required too use the forums too be completly aware of when entrance starts.

Every year things are badly prepared or messed up (evil pookie has a big point). The fact is that all this drama can so easily be diverted with good planning and good orginisation......... but yeah its not as if we pay too play the game!

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Originally by: maGz

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Originally by: Waywatcher

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All i see is people who didnt get in whining and people that did get in slagging them off. The fact is 2 days isnt a very big time period too relay on one person (i.e alliance exec) some people hardly even use the forums so they are at a massive disadvantage.

We missed out because we couldnt get the exec to enter in time kinda of our fault but also kinda CCPs. I dont see any reason why for 2 weeks before entrance a big thing couldnt have been made about it i.e in-game news/billboards then people arnt required too use the forums too be completly aware of when entrance starts.

Every year things are badly prepared or messed up (evil pookie has a big point). The fact is that all this drama can so easily be diverted with good planning and good orginisation......... but yeah its not as if we pay too play the game!

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There were in-game news, there were forum-posts. And don't tell me that you're entire team didn't notice these... Good planning and organisation goes both ways. Probably half your team (if not more) knew about when the sign ups started, so it's not like you couldn't prepare for that day.

CCP wanted sign ups to last 2 weeks, they lasted 2 days due to overwhelming interest. Can't exactly blame CCP for peoples interest in participating in the alliance tournament. Maybe they let too few alliances in, however if they had let 80 alliances in we would probably hear a lot of whining about too many teams in the alliance tournament. There's no way CCP can please everyone, however I do believe they've done their best to create equal terms for everyone. The fact that some people expect special treatment is a joke at best imo (bear in mind, I support the idea of the reigning champions are in by default), and I hope CCP stick this one out, even if people don't get their BoB vs Goons fights etc.

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Originally by: Waywatcher

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Originally by: maGz

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Originally by: Waywatcher

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All i see is people who didnt get in whining and people that did get in slagging them off. The fact is 2 days isnt a very big time period too relay on one person (i.e alliance exec) some people hardly even use the forums so they are at a massive disadvantage.

We missed out because we couldnt get the exec to enter in time kinda of our fault but also kinda CCPs. I dont see any reason why for 2 weeks before entrance a big thing couldnt have been made about it i.e in-game news/billboards then people arnt required too use the forums too be completly aware of when entrance starts.

Every year things are badly prepared or messed up (evil pookie has a big point). The fact is that all this drama can so easily be diverted with good planning and good orginisation......... but yeah its not as if we pay too play the game!

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There were in-game news, there were forum-posts. And don't tell me that you're entire team didn't notice these... Good planning and organisation goes both ways. Probably half your team (if not more) knew about when the sign ups started, so it's not like you couldn't prepare for that day.

CCP wanted sign ups to last 2 weeks, they lasted 2 days due to overwhelming interest. Can't exactly blame CCP for peoples interest in participating in the alliance tournament. Maybe they let too few alliances in, however if they had let 80 alliances in we would probably hear a lot of whining about too many teams in the alliance tournament. There's no way CCP can please everyone, however I do believe they've done their best to create equal terms for everyone. The fact that some people expect special treatment is a joke at best imo (bear in mind, I support the idea of the reigning champions are in by default), and I hope CCP stick this one out, even if people don't get their BoB vs Goons fights etc.

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Come on now Magz your more intelligent than too smack me, im not whining infact if you look at my post i say we take responsibility all i am saying is that again the tournament is badly orginised, you show me some in-game news that say the alliance sign-ups are coming up on **th January and that the alliance exec is needed for sign-up. The fact is this wasnt made clear and public. This HAS lead too problems and fingers are being pointed again.

Of course people are going too be ****ed off that they cant enter thats understandable, this has nothing too do with how "big" or "famous" an alliance is because that doesnt matter.

I wish everyone good luck even the ******s who seem too think smack in threads like this is appropriate.

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Originally by: Waywatcher

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Edited by: Waywatcher on 20/01/2008 18:11:02
I dont think Edna will argue with being described as a ****** or smacktard cos thats what he is lol but smack from friends suddenly doesnt look like smack.

My point is still the same no matter how much people say it was advertised, all CCP needed too do was make a massive thing about it weeks before hand giving dates and details of how it was going to work i.e alliance exec being needed. This would have saved so many problems.

At the end of the day we all pay too play this game and i feel that should at least entitle us too a professionally orginised event.

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Originally by: Life Machine

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3 minutes off every match won't make THAT huge a difference...I'm sure it was said earlier in the thread that adding 1 extra team per group adds 40 matches to the schedule, which is an extra 2/3 days. If you're going to do that, you'd need to half the time each match is given, which seems kind of stupid.

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Originally by: Evil Pookie

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This will further be tarnished by GM NOVAs incompetance and inconsistancy.

To the new teams, congratulations, enjoy your moment in the spotlight. To the vetrans, you know what to expect: Drunk devs, inconsistant rulings and absolutely no avenue for recourse when you get screwed over by them. Not even the acknowledgment of failure on their part.

Best of luck to all involved.
To GM NOVA: I'm confident you will mess things up again.

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I dont agree with all this "The teams arent represtative of eve", stuff, as the doc pointed out 78% of players dont play in 0.0, which would mean 31 of the teams should be Empire based.

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As to all this famous/best/biggest teams. Whats all that about? Ive been killed by the red skull once, and met one goon, (who was sitting in pator with a can labeled "Good free stuff take some"), and thats it. Never met a BOB, or the like at all.

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Also, can someone explain to me, why a corp that fields scores and scores of riged ships with implated pilots in a fleet in 0.0, is supposedly AUTOMATICLY going to do better than a corp that flies in a ten man gang in empire space. When the competition is a ten man gang?

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Originally by: Shandas

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Edited by: Shandas on 21/01/2008 17:23:59
Erm, why not expand the field to 80 or whatever. This would allow the other teams in that want in and HUN. Simple way of solving that problem would be to make it 3 or 4 vs each other in the opening rounds, or make the first round team matches (pair alliances up on a friendly basis). This would weed out the weaker alliances, and yes I know could knock out the larger alliances. But this would allow more teams. It would add some possible team work between certain alliances I'm sure. But, those teams working together would also end up fighting each other, so there would be some other considerations to be had.

[edited due to: I didn't mean 3 or 4 alliance teams vs each other I meant 3 or 4 alliances vs each other on the same field.]

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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1

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Originally by: Shandas

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Edited by: Shandas on 21/01/2008 17:23:59
Erm, why not expand the field to 80 or whatever.

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what makes you sure that there are another 40 alliaces are willing to take place in this tourney? From what i have seen it more looks like 3-5 got left out/missed to sign in and make a big rumble on the forums.

Also when you expand the slots by another 40 this tourney would take twice as long, this would lead to problems regarding the RL of the experts and the pilots which participate.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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i can list more than 5 that intended to compete without even thinking about it, so there's probably at least 15 more that'd compete given the chance, probly a bunch more tbh

axiom empire
hun reloaded
bob
goonswarm
aaa
cruel intentions
whatever group waywatcher was talking about

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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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i can list more than 5 that intended to compete without even thinking about it, so there's probably at least 15 more that'd compete given the chance, probly a bunch more tbh

axiom empire
hun reloaded
bob
goonswarm
aaa
cruel intentions
whatever group waywatcher was talking about

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and what kept them away from participating is nothing mroe then signing up in time. I cant see that smaller alliaces would have started such a rumble in da forums when they wouldnt have made it.


When we wouldnt be listed we prolly would end up with "oops" and thats about it.

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Originally by: XxAngelxX

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Im gonna love watching it when one of these small **** alliances kicks your ass :D

Just like I loved the SF v BoB match

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Originally by: DHB WildCat

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Originally by: XxAngelxX

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Im gonna love watching it when one of these small **** alliances kicks your ass :D

Just like I loved the SF v BoB match

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You miss are an idiot... Thats not the point. Yes Green Alliance vs IAC might be an epic upset. Or whatever. But what we want is to see BoB vs MC, Goons vs Axiom, -A- vs Hun however this will not happen 8(, at least not while the present authorities are in charge. No one gives a damn about these small fries acting tough, sure it would be awesome to see them upset the big guys! Like you said the SF vs BoB fight was awesome, but there needs to be the big guys to have upsets! Green vs When Fat Kids Attack, is a fight noone cares about! I cant believe you guys still dont understand this.

Once again I volunteer my time to make a bracket for all teams that wish to participate. This way all you have to do is enforce the rules. Everyone can participate, epic fights, noone loses, until they lose a fight that is 8). So make it happen or allow me to make it happen for you.

WildCat

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Originally by: XxAngelxX

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Originally by: DHB WildCat

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Originally by: XxAngelxX

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Im gonna love watching it when one of these small **** alliances kicks your ass :D

Just like I loved the SF v BoB match

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You miss are an idiot... Thats not the point. Yes Green Alliance vs IAC might be an epic upset. Or whatever. But what we want is to see BoB vs MC, Goons vs Axiom, -A- vs Hun however this will not happen 8(, at least not while the present authorities are in charge. No one gives a damn about these small fries acting tough, sure it would be awesome to see them upset the big guys! Like you said the SF vs BoB fight was awesome, but there needs to be the big guys to have upsets! Green vs When Fat Kids Attack, is a fight noone cares about! I cant believe you guys still dont understand this.

Once again I volunteer my time to make a bracket for all teams that wish to participate. This way all you have to do is enforce the rules. Everyone can participate, epic fights, noone loses, until they lose a fight that is 8). So make it happen or allow me to make it happen for you.

WildCat

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You Mr, take me (and possibly other things) far too seriously.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Stop trolling magz ;P

Sure everyone missing from the tournament can blame themselves and people can point this out til they're blue in the face.

Doesn't change the fact that the tournament would be better if the teams that have previously shown themselves to be among the best were participating again, especially previous champions.

I mean I'd really like to have Burn Eden in again, but they don't want to compete so fair enough, no big deal.
But to be missing from the tournament top-notch teams like Cruel Intentions, Band of Brothers and HUN Reloaded that actually want to compete is pretty weak.

Would be pretty cool if some no-name team won, so by all means great to have them competing but would be epic if they won after beating the champions of previous tourneys

Epic yes pls.

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Originally by: maGz

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But but... Ok I'll make a proper post then .

I agree that the alliance tournament would probably be in some way more interesting if you had the likes of CI, BoB, Huns et al participating. However I personally think it's bs when they obviously missed the sign ups and now think it's ok to slack off Nova, to slack off the organisation of the tournament and to slack off the participating alliances, simply because they didn't get in (keep in mind, I do support that last years winners should have a reserved spot in the tournament). We would probably be seeing the same posts from BE regardless, however I'm almost willing to bet that we wouldn't hear anything from CI, BoB et al if they had signed up in time. They would probably troll my whine threads about not being in the alliance tournament as well.

So while we can agree that it could have been fun to have the abovementioned teams in the alliance tournament, I cannot take their concerns serious as it's a clear case of them just being arrogant about the whole thing and when things don't go their way, it's everyone else but themselves that is to blame.

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Originally by: maGz

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Stop trolling magz ;P

Sure everyone missing from the tournament can blame themselves and people can point this out til they're blue in the face.

Doesn't change the fact that the tournament would be better if the teams that have previously shown themselves to be among the best were participating again, especially previous champions.

I mean I'd really like to have Burn Eden in again, but they don't want to compete so fair enough, no big deal.
But to be missing from the tournament top-notch teams like Cruel Intentions, Band of Brothers and HUN Reloaded that actually want to compete is pretty weak.

Would be pretty cool if some no-name team won, so by all means great to have them competing but would be epic if they won after beating the champions of previous tourneys

Epic yes pls.

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But but... Ok I'll make a proper post then .

I agree that the alliance tournament would probably be in some way more interesting if you had the likes of CI, BoB, Huns et al participating. However I personally think it's bs when they obviously missed the sign ups and now think it's ok to slack off Nova, to slack off the organisation of the tournament and to slack off the participating alliances, simply because they didn't get in (keep in mind, I do support that last years winners should have a reserved spot in the tournament). We would probably be seeing the same posts from BE regardless, however I'm almost willing to bet that we wouldn't hear anything from CI, BoB et al if they had signed up in time. They would probably troll my whine threads about not being in the alliance tournament as well.

So while we can agree that it could have been fun to have the abovementioned teams in the alliance tournament, I cannot take their concerns serious as it's a clear case of them just being arrogant about the whole thing and when things don't go their way, it's everyone else but themselves that is to blame.

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Originally by: Waywatcher

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I just dont get you sometimes, in-game your intelligent and sensible yet as soon as you hit the forums you turn into a trolling idiot.

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