Its perfectly reasonable for XL Blasters to hit a Light Dictor though...

ROFL. Baltec, are you trying to convince me to believe that a battelship will have a harder time than a titan hitting a MWDing interdictor?

How is this info war campaign of yours working out for you?

Ever tried to knock one out of the sky with Large blasters?

Actually the EVE physics engine doesnt really care what you call the target. Every ship is just a sphere with a certain radius as far as it is concerned. And yes, a 1000m sigres gun hitting a 600+ m sigrad target is indeed working as intended.

So again, the only ships that wont get alpha'ed by titans are frigates. So the titan blob is invincible.


This is good for EVE how?

Using a MWD in the vincinity of big stuff that will instapop you if they can hit you is not very smart. Are you advocating we reduce battle parametres in EVE to tank and dps only perhaps? So you dont have to think and you know - fly smartly? I'm sure that would suit the Goon blob perfectly.

Using a MWD in the vincinity of big stuff that will instapop you if they can hit you is not very smart. Are you advocating we reduce battle parametres in EVE to tank and dps only perhaps? So you dont have to think and you know - fly smartly? I'm sure that would suit the Goon blob perfectly.

dictors always get locked up immediately upon arrival. The order probably went out to lock up all dictors, and one titan just got a lucky shot on the eris. It doesn't matter how fast or slow he was going if he is moving directly toward or away, it's gonna hit no matter how big the gun. With 20 titans there trying to shoot it, one is bound to hit. Also, that person is on his own KM because he launched a bubble and then tried to warp out. Obviously he was tackling them and then got locked and poofed. what cap pilot doesn't try to kill the dictors? KM's only tell half the story, and the rest nobody can confirm.

As opposed to;

dump titans, everything dies?

Tactics and fleet comp are useless vs such things. There are no ships with enough firepower to confront them without getting alphaed at such a rate that the DPS will become meaningless very quickly. It doesnt matter if you are MWDing or not, titans will apha battleships and battlescruisers, while the ships that cant get alpha'ed will get torn apart by enemy subcaps and lack the firepower required to bring down a titan anyway.

The only counter to titans are more titans and because of the speed at which they are being built and the lack of deaths the titan blob will only get bigger with time. We are now playing titans online.

I've flown enough light dictors to know I'll probably die in fights like these. Its just the way it is. Drop bubble, mwd out to get free of the bubble so u can at least save your pod. Happned more than once.

But the point to threads like these is: No amount of killmails will prove that I, You, Baltec or anyone else are right or wrong objectively, because there are multiple possible explanations as to why stuff happens in EVE. The EVE combat system have so many parametres and factors that affect the end result, that killmails are virtually unable to prove anything.

Only way to do it is to jump on SISI and conduct carefully controlled experiments in multiple iterations.

As opposed to;

dump titans, everything dies?

Tactics and fleet comp are useless vs such things. There are no ships with enough firepower to confront them without getting alphaed at such a rate that the DPS will become meaningless very quickly. It doesnt matter if you are MWDing or not, titans will apha battleships and battlescruisers, while the ships that cant get alpha'ed will get torn apart by enemy subcaps and lack the firepower required to bring down a titan anyway.

The only counter to titans are more titans and because of the speed at which they are being built and the lack of deaths the titan blob will only get bigger with time. We are now playing titans online.

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Excellent Backpedal Space Friend. Great use of the 'Religion Cop Out' (Prove there isn't, and until you do, I obviously must be right).

introduce new capital ships that can create a truly rock-paper-scissors environment for capital ships.

Titans are not OP unless used en-masse. So the question is right, but the prefferred Goon solution (death to all supercaps) is wrong. Its not the ships that are the problem, its how they are used. Besides, in a mature game like EVE, you you have to evolve with the players, adding stuff, not taking stuff away. So, instead of getting rid of the supers, introduce new capital ships that can create a truly rock-paper-scissors environment for capital ships.

Which creates unnecessary complexity and allows problems to crop up in billions of other places.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say the whole game would be better off without the massive ships, or if the ships were in a supportive role, and not the front-line role.

Or nerf titans so that they cannot kill subcaps while making them fantastic cap killers and fleet boosters. They dont have to be deathstars to be useful to a fleet.

Its gone too far for that. That could have been an option in 2008 when dominion came along. Now, there are just to many of them.

In that case, you are ALSO saying that this games would be better without its veterans. Personally I disagree. Leaving people with nothing to train for would see an exodus of the very same people which this game relies on to produce its signature content.

Titans are not OP unless used en-masse. So the question is right, but the prefferred Goon solution (death to all supercaps) is wrong. Its not the ships that are the problem, its how they are used. Besides, in a mature game like EVE, you you have to evolve with the players, adding stuff, not taking stuff away. So, instead of getting rid of the supers, introduce new capital ships that can create a truly rock-paper-scissors environment for capital ships.

Who cares what kind of numbers there are if they fall into a more balanced roll of fleet support and become vulnerable to subcaps?

More of them will die for a start.

You are a Goon lobbyist, which by definition means that you will hold the point of view most beneficial to the in-game Goon interests. And presently my friend, those interests include a game preferably without titans at all, but secondary titans that have been nerfed into oblivion.

Who cares? I guess most titan owners care? And titan heavy alliances? I mean how many fleetboosters would a fleet need exactly?

Its just too many of them, and they want to play too.

Now I dont think you are ever going to agree with me on this Baltec, because we are not discussing the same thing.

I am discussing game design. You are not. You are a Goon lobbyist, which by definition means that you will hold the point of view most beneficial to the in-game Goon interests. And presently my friend, those interests include a game preferably without titans at all, but secondary titans that have been nerfed into oblivion.

I want fights that dont require the most titans to win. I want new aliances taking 0.0 on and winning which they currently cant do. I want the 99% of pilots who are out in 0.0 to matter not the 1% in god ships.

Even if I was not in goons I would be saying this because this hurts the game. The overpowered supercaps resulted in a stagnation of 0.0 for a year and a half untill they got nerfed. The exact same is going to happen if titans are not delt with as the 0.0 powerblocks hide behind their cynojammers and new alliances are faced with an impossible task.

The titan pilots trained for a FOTM and like all the FOTM before they will get nerfed and only they will cry about it. Perhaps the funds used on titan construction can be used to fund ships that everyone can use and we will get real fights based on clever tactics and fleet setups again.

If this was the case, I wonder why any solution to add to the game rather that detract from it is the wrong solution?

Well you dont need to answer that, because I know

Killmails dont prove anything. EVER.

The new battlecruisers have been embraced by all and are a fantastic addition to the game as they are balanced. Adding new things should not stop, but sometimes things do need to be taken away to improve the game. We do not want titans removed from the game just their ability to wipe out everything before them.

I would be more inclined to trust your sincerity if you or any other goon/test member talking in these threads werent ONLY talking about changes that would be a massive benefit to your alliances in-game.

Personally I dont think that is a coincidence. So forgive me when I call bullshit