I would be more inclined to trust your sincerity if you or any other goon/test member talking in these threads werent ONLY talking about changes that would be a massive benefit to your alliances in-game.

Personally I dont think that is a coincidence. So forgive me when I call bullshit

I would be more inclined to trust your sincerity if you or any other goon/test member talking in these threads werent ONLY talking about changes that would be a massive benefit to your alliances in-game.

Personally I dont think that is a coincidence. So forgive me when I call bullshit

Its not backpedaling. You can take virtually any killmail in EVE, think abouth it for about 30 seconds and be able to come up with 5 diffrent scenarios for what happend exactly. Killmails dont prove anything. EVER.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12435592

hue hue hue :)

So after nerf you need 3 not one titan to kill poor drake :) ? Nice job !

This benefits everyone.

I dont care if this ends up resulting in the destruction of our space and us getting turfed into lowsec by some scrub alliance.

venal was a thorn in their side they could never conquor.

The current titan war waggons would make all of what we managed in the past impossible if they were around back then. We would not have held the space and the fantasticly talented FCs I flew with over the years would not have had their legondary victories.

Your lack of common sense makes me want to drown kittens

LOL. No Baltec it doesnt. Specifically it doesn't benefit your old arch enemies Raiden, it doesnt benefit most drone russian alliances and it certainly does not benefit PL. What does these alliances have in common? Oh yes. They are your enemies in-game right now.

If the alliances you listed should fall because titans got their god mode removed then it would be because they were not worthy of holding their space and out manovered by smarter people using better tactics.

Or - in your case - a bigger blob

That worked well for BoB, MC, ASCN, TRI, RA, RA again and the NC.. ..oh wai...

Well it has worked out for You hasnt it? That is, if it wasnt for those pesky titans ofc.

The image in my signature is /thread for this topic.

http://i.imgur.com/CY6x4.jpg

Because goons started out with everything you see today...

Using blob tactics has been a Goon signature tactic for as long as it has existed. You are not alone in this ofc, but this is your main modus operandi and has always been. Right now titans > blob, and you dont like it, which is fine.

What I dont like is a solution that will just remove titan and free the goon blob. I'd like to see a more balanced way forward. And introducing a true rock-paper-scissors capital game available as low entry (like dreads/carriers) for everybody I think is much better than just freeing the blob.

Using blob tactics has been a Goon signature tactic for as long as it has existed. You are not alone in this ofc, but this is your main modus operandi and has always been. Right now titans > blob, and you dont like it, which is fine.

What I dont like is a solution that will just remove titan and free the goon blob. I'd like to see a more balanced way forward. And introducing a true rock-paper-scissors capital game available as low entry (like dreads/carriers) for everybody I think is much better than just freeing the blob.

You do realise that all of the powers you listed are fully capable of just as large a blob and have been doing so for a few months now right?

Using blob tactics has been a Goon signature tactic for as long as it has existed. You are not alone in this ofc, but this is your main modus operandi and has always been. Right now titans > blob, and you dont like it, which is fine.

What I dont like is a solution that will just remove titan and free the goon blob. I'd like to see a more balanced way forward. And introducing a true rock-paper-scissors capital game available as low entry (like dreads/carriers) for everybody I think is much better than just freeing the blob.

Plain and simple, SuperCaps shouldn't be able to hit Sub-Capitals, with any success.

No baltec. Because if the last few months had been blob vs blob, we wouldnt have this dicsussion would we?

After the internal civil war within DRF and WN essentially knocked out of the game at least for the time beeing, Deklein enjoys numerical superiority. The key to maintaining this superiority is however to maintain pilot morale which essentially means maintaining some sense of progress. And right now, you meet titans at an increasing rate. Which is precisely why these threads pops up on the foums at an equally increasing rate.

I know this guy that loves to roam in lowsec in his HAC, but he is ******* annoyed when ge get dropped by multiple battlehsips. He once told me that a big ass gun on a battleship shouldnt be able to hit a lowly cruiser.

Basically, This game has only 4 gun classes. XL for capitals (including titans), L for battleships, M for BC/Cruisers and S for destroyers and frigates.

So, if we take this proposal and implement it in the physics engine, there should really be no downward efficiency between classes. Or do you mean it should only affect XL guns because you happen to not fly a capital?

Yeah thats a retorical question.

I have seen it. They are all capable of such fleets, we fought one for 3 hours on friday before they dumped the titan blob on us when we started to win which endend the fight almost instantly.

20 HAC would kill those battleships, the same cannot be said of titans

Now Now. You cant really blame the game for the goon FC not having the balls to respond in kind. Because he could have, the blob wasnt that large. Or perhaps the tech moon wasnt deemed strategically important enough to risk your titans? Whic of course is fair enough.

Thats not a design problem though.

Yes, lets jump our titan fleet into the single largest collection of titans over a tech moon and get them all killed

Exactly. There is a strategic imbalance between you and your enemies. You percive that you cannot do something about it directly, so you resort to the indirect approach and lobby for their removal or gutting as combat ships on the forums. This will of course also affect your own titans, but since you have less of them, it will hit your enemies harder.

Any proposal that adress the problem of titan blob in any other way that removal or nerfing of titans gets rejected, because your true agenda isnt really game design after all, its in-game power.

Tell me, how would anyone else with even fewer resources than goons fight them?

So, if we take this proposal and implement it in the physics engine, there should really be no downward efficiency between classes. Or do you mean it should only affect XL guns because you happen to not fly a capital?

Yeah thats a retorical question.