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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:27:00 -
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Xolve wrote: I'm not against Titans being the be-all-end-all answer to Capital Ship destruction, but if you honestly think 20 battleships can pose a threat to a Titan by themselves before the Titan can kill them, your ******* ******** (neccessary emphasis applied).
Tell that to PL |

baltec1
600
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:30:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Tell me, how would anyone else with even fewer resources than goons fight them?
You are avoiding the question again. Why do you reject any other solution to the problem of the titan blob than nerfing/gutting of titans as combat ships?
No it is you.
I have given ample reasons as to why titans raping everything is bad for EVE. New capitals are not the answer because smaller alliances would still be at an impassable barrier to 0.0. The only answer is to nerf the titans themselves and chane their roll into a fleet flagship roll. As was intended.
Now answer me, how does a body with fewer resources than goons combat titan blobs? |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2049
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:30:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Xolve wrote: I'm not against Titans being the be-all-end-all answer to Capital Ship destruction, but if you honestly think 20 battleships can pose a threat to a Titan by themselves before the Titan can kill them, your ******* ******** (neccessary emphasis applied).
Tell that to PL 
A few dozen battleships will absolutely wipe the floor with a single titan, full stop. Try doing that with 20 other titans on the field and the situation suddenly changes. yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |

Surge Roth
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:31:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:baltec1 wrote: This benefits everyone.
LOL. No Baltec it doesnt. Specifically it doesn't benefit your old arch enemies Raiden, it doesnt benefit most drone russian alliances and it certainly does not benefit PL. What does these alliances have in common? Oh yes. They are your enemies in-game right now. Shock horror, the biggest abusers of the curret problem who utterly rely upon them would suffer the most. God forbid they have to actually use their heads and come up with a better tactic than "dump the titans on them". If the alliances you listed should fall because titans got their god mode removed then it would be because they were not worthy of holding their space and out manovered by smarter people using better tactics.
Lol, or something awful would just dump more people into a system than they have in a single fight. Not using tatics at all. |

Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
870
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:33:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Xolve wrote: I'm not against Titans being the be-all-end-all answer to Capital Ship destruction, but if you honestly think 20 battleships can pose a threat to a Titan by themselves before the Titan can kill them, your ******* ******** (neccessary emphasis applied).
Tell that to PL 
They already admit to abusing the power of Super Caps to engage in Risk Free PvP whenever possible. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |

Surge Roth
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:34:00 -
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Andski wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:Xolve wrote: I'm not against Titans being the be-all-end-all answer to Capital Ship destruction, but if you honestly think 20 battleships can pose a threat to a Titan by themselves before the Titan can kill them, your ******* ******** (neccessary emphasis applied).
Tell that to PL  A few dozen battleships will absolutely wipe the floor with a single titan, full stop. Try doing that with 20 other titans on the field and the situation suddenly changes.
Seems like it's working as intended to me. You gang bang one flag ship. with a few dozen battleships. When 20 more appear and you have the same number... well, you're not suppose to win  |

sakurako
The Circle
1
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:35:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:baltec1 wrote:Yes, lets jump our titan fleet into the single largest collection of titans over a tech moon and get them all killed  Exactly. There is a strategic imbalance between you and your enemies. You percive that you cannot do something about it directly, so you resort to the indirect approach and lobby for their removal or gutting as combat ships on the forums. This will of course also affect your own titans, but since you have less of them, it will hit your enemies harder. Any proposal that adress the problem of titan blob in any other way that removal or nerfing of titans gets rejected, because your true agenda isnt really game design after all, its in-game power. Tell me, how would anyone else with even fewer resources than goons fight them?
stop trying to make goon out to be the heros here.
goons we have tech moons and yet we fight in drakes.
the only reason goons want titans nerfed is so that they can conroll all of null, state who can live where and who they can fight.
goons are becoming the bigest problem to this game i can't wait for an eve with out goons.
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baltec1
600
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:36:00 -
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Surge Roth wrote:
Lol, or something awful would just dump more people into a system than they have in a single fight. Not using tatics at all.
The NC had much larger fleets and still the fell. |

Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
297
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:36:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Tell me, how would anyone else with even fewer resources than goons fight them?
You are avoiding the question again. Why do you reject any other solution to the problem of the titan blob than nerfing/gutting of titans as combat ships? No it is you. I have given ample reasons as to why titans raping everything is bad for EVE. New capitals are not the answer because smaller alliances would still be at an impassable barrier to 0.0. The only answer is to nerf the titans themselves and chane their roll into a fleet flagship roll. As was intended. Now answer me, how does a body with fewer resources than goons combat titan blobs?
Nobody. I think I have said 2 or 3 times in this thread allready that the titans used en-mass is a problem. What we disagree on is the solution.
Your "enable small alliances to conquer nullsec" argument is pretty cute comming from a goon. The goons have played this power game with skill for the last 6 years. Im sure you havent suddenly developed an acute considreation for the small unproven highsec alliance wanting to conquer null on its own lol. So forgive me once more when I call bullshit. |

Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
297
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:37:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Surge Roth wrote:
Lol, or something awful would just dump more people into a system than they have in a single fight. Not using tatics at all.
The NC had much larger fleets and still the fell.
they didnt fail because the blob failed mind you. I was there. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2049
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:40:00 -
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let's face it the whole "noooo don't nerf them they are expensive" boat sailed long ago yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |

baltec1
602
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:40:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Nobody. I think I have said 2 or 3 times in this thread allready that the titans used en-mass is a problem. What we disagree on is the solution.
Your "enable small alliances to conquer nullsec" argument is pretty cute comming from a goon. The goons have played this power game with skill for the last 6 years. Im sure you havent suddenly developed an acute considreation for the small unproven highsec alliance wanting to conquer null on its own lol. So forgive me once more when I call bullshit.
6 years ago, goons were a small unproven high sec alliance that set out to conquer o.o on its own. Every single 0.0 powerhouse started in the exact same way. So yes, I argue for this to continue.
Now answer my question. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
783
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:44:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Titans aren't the problem, blobs of titans are. One titans can do much thats why they use them as blob and eventualy one of them has to hit.
Tracking fit titans have significantly better tracking than Alphafleet Maelstroms. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |

Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
298
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:45:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Now answer my question.
I did, actually. You need to actually read answers before hitting the reply button.
So there we have it. The only acceptable solution (because it will help the little guy wink wink) is incidentally the same solution that will strip the Goons enemies of their power to stop the goon blob advancing.
I think that sums it up. |

Ohanka
The Lone Patrol Tactical Narcotics Team
11
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:47:00 -
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well this thread was a waste of my time.
maybe if i smash my teeth out i'll get a hamster. |

Alara IonStorm
1562
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:50:00 -
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Ohanka wrote: maybe if i smash my teeth out i'll get a hamster.
Put them under your pillow and you might have enough to buy a Hamster.
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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
298
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:50:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Titans aren't the problem, blobs of titans are. One titans can do much thats why they use them as blob and eventualy one of them has to hit. Tracking fit titans have significantly better tracking than Alphafleet Maelstroms.
Lies dont get true even if they get repeated you know.
For your benefit, i link you the EVE tracking formula so you can have a look yourself. Enjoy. |

baltec1
602
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:51:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Now answer my question.
I did, actually. You need to actually read answers before hitting the reply button. So there we have it. The only acceptable solution (because it will help the little guy wink wink) is incidentally the same solution that will strip the Goons enemies of their power to stop the goon blob advancing. I think that sums it up.
I see you have no answer to counter titans then. Therefore I must assume you are either clueless or an alt of one of the titan heavy blocks. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
783
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:56:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Titans aren't the problem, blobs of titans are. One titans can do much thats why they use them as blob and eventualy one of them has to hit. Tracking fit titans have significantly better tracking than Alphafleet Maelstroms. Lies dont get true even if they get repeated you know. For your benefit, i link you the EVE tracking formula so you can have a look yourself. Enjoy.
I said tracking.
And I do hope you realize that the sig res on capital turrets is pretty moot when a glancing blow can essentially cripple nearly any subcap. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |

Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
298
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Posted - 2012.02.14 01:01:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
I see you have no answer to counter titans then. Therefore I must assume you are either clueless or an alt of one of the titan heavy blocks.
I have the solution. I have told you twice. That you refuse to acknowledge the wisdom of actually building on the game instead of retracting from it just proves what you really are. You see what you want to see. And right now, the only solution you see is the one that will benefit Goonswarm the most.
Coinicidence? I dont think so. Throughout this thread you have acted exactly lke I said you would in the beginning, refusing to see any other solution that the one that would benefit Goons. Which is the very definition of a lobbyist.
Sorry fellas, but discussing game design with lobbyist for interest groups is pretty moot anyways. So I'll call it a day. Have fun. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
783
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Posted - 2012.02.14 01:13:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:baltec1 wrote:
I see you have no answer to counter titans then. Therefore I must assume you are either clueless or an alt of one of the titan heavy blocks.
I have the solution. I have told you twice. That you refuse to acknowledge the wisdom of actually building on the game instead of retracting from it just proves what you really are. You see what you want to see. And right now, the only solution you see is the one that will benefit Goonswarm the most. Coinicidence? I dont think so. Throughout this thread you have acted exactly lke I said you would in the beginning, refusing to see any other solution that the one that would benefit Goons. Which is the very definition of a lobbyist. Sorry fellas, but discussing game design with lobbyist for interest groups is pretty moot anyways. So I'll call it a day. Have fun.
What you fail to realize is that currently, Titans are stupid broken. The metagame made sure of that. What needs to be done is a redefinition of the roles of all capital ships. As is, there are the borderline pointless (dreads), the confused stepchild that got overnerfed (supercarriers), and the facerolling OP (titans). none have clearly defined roles, because their initial roles are essentially outdated and all of the changes made had no clear direction or goal.
If CCP can redefine said roles, then what will happen is change, not buffs nor nerfs. Titans are too strong right now, and supercarriers too weak relative to them (IMO). Dreads need a ground-up overhaul. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |

Wacktopia
Noir.
171
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Posted - 2012.02.14 01:32:00 -
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New fleet doctrine; "Derp-cats" Vote Alekseyev Karrde for CSM7. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67574 Get War Decs, Sov, Low Sec that works.-á |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
121
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Posted - 2012.02.14 02:40:00 -
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Someone said all the goons need to to is mass tons of Titans, then everyone will want them nerfed. And then we can go back to our real main characters and have fun.
And then Titans are the new rifter and we can argue about how overpowered Gargantuans (death to all Megacaps) are. All hail the tracking of Mega sized turrets. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
121
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Posted - 2012.02.14 02:49:00 -
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The CCP Spaceship Issue Mega Capital class "Abomination" is the glory of all major universe powers. With a full array of no less than NINE Mega sized turrets and the ability to deploy the Fighter Bomber Nuker battleship sized drones, this amazing mix of super carrier and titan, upsized 100x is the staple of all "real" warfare.
Its reinforced systems give it more durability than a POS, immunity to all forms of propulsion jamming, electronic warfare while allowing all beneficial effects though. Additionally, each Mega turret is able to reaching out to 250KM with deadly pinpoint accuracy.
All for the low low price of 1trillion isk, this beauty's armor is made of pure Tears and Tech. It is said a techmoon's worth of tech is needed just to lay the structure, but currently approximately 100x of these exist, compared to the number of techmoons in existance.
P.S. It also needs a lot of Tritanium for various things. About 500billion for the hull and more for its modules.
Capable of fitting the Mega Invulnerability Shield Capable of fitting the Old-Skool Doomsday device Capable of fitting Mega turrets Capable of fitting sniper-accuracy module Capable of fitting hyper-tracking module |
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