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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter. Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:40:00 -
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just hopped on SISI, thought Id post here since not many people go to the game dev forum.
Apoc gets its 5% cap bonus built in for 25% more cap. +1000 pg. The cap bonus is changed to a 7.5% optimal range bonus.
Deimos has a low moved to a med, for 6 hi, 4 med, 5 low.
Zealot and Omen both get 5 turrets, but no extra fittings at this time.
Discuss and post any other changes you find.
Originally by: Meridius Dex I could actually fit a Thorax WITH LASERS and get better DPS, better speed, better tank and - wait for it - better cap stability
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:47:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 01/02/2008 21:48:10
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn Deimos has a low moved to a med, for 6 hi, 4 med, 5 low.
WHAT???????????
dude, the deimos is FINE as it is.
what the hell am I supposed to fit in that med slot now that I've lost tank (wich was crap anyways..)? a cap charger?
at most is the useless 6th high slot that should be moved and not a low slot. ---
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter. Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 01/02/2008 21:48:10
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn Deimos has a low moved to a med, for 6 hi, 4 med, 5 low.
WHAT???????????
dude, the deimos is FINE as it is.
what the hell am I supposed to fit in that med slot now that I've lost tank (wich was crap anyways..)? a cap charger?
at most is the useless 6th high slot that should be moved and not a low slot.
Im thinking that the idea was your meds would be: mwd, web, scram, cap injector.
Not sure how much you need a cap injector with a tank what has to compete with damage mods all within 5 slots....
shield extended nano deimoses?
Originally by: Meridius Dex I could actually fit a Thorax WITH LASERS and get better DPS, better speed, better tank and - wait for it - better cap stability
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Erayo
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 01/02/2008 21:48:10
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn Deimos has a low moved to a med, for 6 hi, 4 med, 5 low.
WHAT???????????
dude, the deimos is FINE as it is.
what the hell am I supposed to fit in that med slot now that I've lost tank (wich was crap anyways..)? a cap charger?
at most is the useless 6th high slot that should be moved and not a low slot.
I wonder what the reasons for the change was. There was no complaints about the deimos in the amarr whine forums - has there?
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn
Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 01/02/2008 21:48:10
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn Deimos has a low moved to a med, for 6 hi, 4 med, 5 low.
WHAT???????????
dude, the deimos is FINE as it is.
what the hell am I supposed to fit in that med slot now that I've lost tank (wich was crap anyways..)? a cap charger?
at most is the useless 6th high slot that should be moved and not a low slot.
Im thinking that the idea was your meds would be: mwd, web, scram, cap injector.
Not sure how much you need a cap injector with a tank what has to compete with damage mods all within 5 slots....
shield extended nano deimoses?
good luck fitting an injector with a gank fit, wich has no cap problems unless you want to have all modules working ---
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Willy Joe
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:00:00 -
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I guess they were just trying to balance out the damage on gank HACs or something like that .
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:02:00 -
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The Eagle, Moa and Ferox now also have another turret.
Eagle is now the undisputed king of anti-support. Apoc is now the undisupted king of sniping.
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Willy Joe I guess they were just trying to balance out the damage on gank HACs or something like that .
the deimos in gank fit is a freakin' glass cannon.
I see no reasoning of why the ship needs a low slot traded for a med slot. ---
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Telonia Reis
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:09:00 -
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Hmmm, the apoc has changed into perhaps a descent sniper platform. I don't know if the 1000 PG will be enough, but it sounds pretty good so far. Anybody out there who has the time to dissect this want to pipe in? Xeq or Gou? I am a closet amarr fan, but I don't know enough about the race to make much of an opinion beyond the khanid ships.
The deimos is shifting too much into vaga territory imo, I liked the unique style of the deimos.
The omen/zealot getting a 5th slot could get dangerous, but the fitting will probably be ugly. AWU 5 seems to be almost required to make these ships perform, but I might be wrong there.
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Riho
Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:13:00 -
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ok.. been playing around whit some of the changes (zealot)
and no.. the 5th turret slot didnt make it OP... its even harder to fit this ship whit t2 now :P (decent fit)
but its ok... can be worked on :) ---------------------------------- This is Me |
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Telonia Reis The deimos is shifting too much into vaga territory imo, I liked the unique style of the deimos.
nope it's not.
they are making it into a mini-brutix
Originally by: Pociomundo Edited by: Pociomundo on 01/02/2008 22:05:27 Lost one low slow and gained a mid slot.
MWD Bonus is GONE (Capacitor is now 1523 as opposed to 1718 on TQ with an MWD), replaced bonus with 7.5% to effectiveness of armour repairer.
from the development part. ---
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Erayo
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
they are making it into a mini-brutix.
The Ishtar is a mini-Dominix. Somethings not right
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Erayo
Originally by: Grimpak
they are making it into a mini-brutix.
The Ishtar is a mini-Dominix. Somethings not right
so they kill the ultimate short range gank cruised just to give it a bit more tank and less damage?
tell me wtf is wrong with the deimos atm? ---
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Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
so they kill the ultimate short range gank cruised just to give it a bit more tank and less damage?
tell me wtf is wrong with the deimos atm?
Looks almost like sacri before khanid mk2 :D
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Pans Exual
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:24:00 -
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Deimos was a glass cannon... the deimos' tank was its damage. Now they reduced it to 5 slots in lows, added a worthless mid, and gave it a stupid tanking bonus. Now it's like every other cruiser out there. I liked the glass cannon.
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Erayo
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Erayo
Originally by: Grimpak
they are making it into a mini-brutix.
The Ishtar is a mini-Dominix. Somethings not right
so they kill the ultimate short range gank cruised just to give it a bit more tank and less damage?
tell me wtf is wrong with the deimos atm?
It's still the ultimate short range gank cruise with more ewar and tank Though I agree it might have troubles getting into short range.
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Pans Exual
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:27:00 -
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More tank? How so? If you figure 2-3 mag stabs, it still tanks like garbage. Should leave it as a gank cruiser. This is NOT a boost.
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Erayo
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Erayo
Originally by: Grimpak
they are making it into a mini-brutix.
The Ishtar is a mini-Dominix. Somethings not right
so they kill the ultimate short range gank cruised just to give it a bit more tank and less damage?
tell me wtf is wrong with the deimos atm?
It's still the ultimate short range gank cruise with more ewar and tank Though I agree it might have troubles getting into short range.
if fittings are not changed, you need to downgrade to electrons to fit mwd, MAR and injector. ---
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Erayo
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Erayo
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Erayo
Originally by: Grimpak
they are making it into a mini-brutix.
The Ishtar is a mini-Dominix. Somethings not right
so they kill the ultimate short range gank cruised just to give it a bit more tank and less damage?
tell me wtf is wrong with the deimos atm?
It's still the ultimate short range gank cruise with more ewar and tank Though I agree it might have troubles getting into short range.
if fittings are not changed, you need to downgrade to electrons to fit mwd, MAR and injector.
Oh sorry, didn't take fitting restrictions into account
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Taguchi Hiroko
Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:35:00 -
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deimos with a 4th mid slot would definitly make it overpowered. I fly mainly a deimos and I know its main weakness is its cap, now with an injector it is perfect. who cares if it has to lose a hardener or an eanm if it could now zoom around and whack everyone up while repping non stop.
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Anjar
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:37:00 -
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Every time i fly my deimos in pvp, the repper gets maybe 1 cycle before either I die or my target dies. The cap is horribly unstable as it is. now my beloved deimos uses more cap than it did before(mwd bonus gone) and its new bonus is only useful for 1 cycle. The only way to set it up now is with a cap injector which is a problem because it doesnt have enough grid or cpu.
my favorite ship in the game which was already very difficult to fly is now completely useless. it will either pop before it gets in gun range or it will be cap dead.
who wants my stuff
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 01/02/2008 21:48:10
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn Deimos has a low moved to a med, for 6 hi, 4 med, 5 low.
WHAT???????????
dude, the deimos is FINE as it is.
what the hell am I supposed to fit in that med slot now that I've lost tank (wich was crap anyways..)? a cap charger?
at most is the useless 6th high slot that should be moved and not a low slot.
But there arent that many flying deimoses. I see them rarely. I think ccp is trying to do something good. Maybe a pg tweak for fitting might do the trick? Or something else.
Amarr pvp Vids: Inq - I Inq - II |
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Taguchi Hiroko deimos with a 4th mid slot would definitly make it overpowered. I fly mainly a deimos and I know its main weakness is its cap, now with an injector it is perfect. who cares if it has to lose a hardener or an eanm if it could now zoom around and whack everyone up while repping non stop.
I think this is what ccp had in mind because deimos isnt really that popular afaik.
Amarr pvp Vids: Inq - I Inq - II |
Pans Exual
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:39:00 -
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If you give a fourth mid and reduce cap, youre forcing deimos pilots to fit an injector. If you fit an injector, you're going to have to fit less grid use elsewhere. This is garbage.
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:42:00 -
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Ow, there goes my favorite ship. _______________________________ http://epicwords.net/ |
Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 01/02/2008 21:48:10
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn Deimos has a low moved to a med, for 6 hi, 4 med, 5 low.
WHAT???????????
dude, the deimos is FINE as it is.
what the hell am I supposed to fit in that med slot now that I've lost tank (wich was crap anyways..)? a cap charger?
at most is the useless 6th high slot that should be moved and not a low slot.
But there arent that many flying deimoses. I see them rarely. I think ccp is trying to do something good. Maybe a pg tweak for fitting might do the trick? Or something else.
really? my corp fields them with frequency because they are the only viable boat to dish this ungodly ammout of dps in short ammount of time (wich is, supposedly, their role), by trading off their measly tank for even less tank.
the reason why many people don't fly deimoses now is because they prefer to nano the ishtar, wich is more brainless and ballness than fly a gank deimos.
that's why I say that blaster ships are man's things: you need balls to fly a freakin' glass cannon to the point where you can see the enemy eye in the eye. ---
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Erayo
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:48:00 -
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I just hope they don't mess up Ishtar.
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Taguchi Hiroko deimos with a 4th mid slot would definitly make it overpowered. I fly mainly a deimos and I know its main weakness is its cap, now with an injector it is perfect. who cares if it has to lose a hardener or an eanm if it could now zoom around and whack everyone up while repping non stop.
I think this is what ccp had in mind because deimos isnt really that popular afaik.
You're both wrong. If they're going through with this, its to remove some of the tanking potential of Gallente ships. One less low slot translates into one less EANM or Damage Control. That translates into less armor EM resists. It also means I can't use two relays and two CCC's for self-sustaining setup, which ****es me off because I hate how inconvenient and stupid injectors are.
The Zealot damage boost is also completely unnecessary, and I bet it hurts the popularity of the Absolution pretty good _______________________________ http://epicwords.net/ |
Edriahn
Gallente Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:53:00 -
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Lol, CCP is in da house... again. What is wrong with guys, why chage the deimos? Change the stupid ishtar if want to change something that doesn't need to be changed. Is there even one of these guyse who make such rediculous changes, who plays this game? And what's with the deimos's DPS? Ishtar has more DPS and more free slots.
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Weeka
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.02.01 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn Apoc gets its 5% cap bonus built in for 25% more cap. +1000 pg. The cap bonus is changed to a 7.5% optimal range bonus.
Someone pinch me.
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