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N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.02.02 00:47:00 -
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Seriously guys, get real, its not that Gallente is overpowered, its that Omni tanks and stacking nerfs' broke Amarr damage while the HP boosts exposed the cap weaknesses.
This mostly bypassed Gallente who benefitted from the DCU's and the fact that most of their ships can afford to fit a cap booster with mwd and full tackle.
Amarr are being brought back to what they used to be. Damage and Armour.
Not that most of these whiners would know anything about what Amarr used to be. --
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.02 00:47:00 -
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ahahahaha eat **** gallente
also where are the changes to our frigates and to the prophecy?
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.02 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: N1fty Seriously guys, get real, its not that Gallente is overpowered, its that Omni tanks and stacking nerfs' broke Amarr damage while the HP boosts exposed the cap weaknesses.
This mostly bypassed Gallente who benefitted from the DCU's and the fact that most of their ships can afford to fit a cap booster with mwd and full tackle.
Amarr are being brought back to what they used to be. Damage and Armour.
Not that most of these whiners would know anything about what Amarr used to be.
I can agree on you in most ships.
such thing however it's not true in the deimos.
the deimos is a gank ship with little to no tank. hell you can even say that it's DPS is in fact it's tank, and the rest is just secondary.
this change removes the deimos from that role and tries to marginally boost the already mediocre tank that the ship has. sure ok, now I have an armor rep bonus and a 4th slot to slap that cap injector.
but to do that I need to downgrade to electrons. not the middle tier guns (ions) but electrons.
honestly, I like the changes to the amarr ships. I really do, but they are ******* up the deimos, wich was boosted to relatively usefulness just a while ago. ---
planetary interaction idea! |
Dragos Mrs
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.02.02 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
I can agree on you in most ships.
such thing however it's not true in the deimos.
the deimos is a gank ship with little to no tank. hell you can even say that it's DPS is in fact it's tank, and the rest is just secondary.
this change removes the deimos from that role and tries to marginally boost the already mediocre tank that the ship has. sure ok, now I have an armor rep bonus and a 4th slot to slap that cap injector.
but to do that I need to downgrade to electrons. not the middle tier guns (ions) but electrons.
honestly, I like the changes to the amarr ships. I really do, but they are ******* up the deimos, wich was boosted to relatively usefulness just a while ago.
if they were going to add a rep bonus, wouldn't it logically go to the ishtar? afterall the thorax is the gank and the vexor the tank. stupid change. mediocre tank with a rep bonus is still a mediocre tank.
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ArmyOfMe
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dragos Mrs
if they were going to add a rep bonus, wouldn't it logically go to the ishtar? afterall the thorax is the gank and the vexor the tank. stupid change. mediocre tank with a rep bonus is still a mediocre tank.
if that would stop ppl from using them as nano ships then for the love of god do it, just dont touch my deimos
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dragos Mrs
Originally by: Grimpak
I can agree on you in most ships.
such thing however it's not true in the deimos.
the deimos is a gank ship with little to no tank. hell you can even say that it's DPS is in fact it's tank, and the rest is just secondary.
this change removes the deimos from that role and tries to marginally boost the already mediocre tank that the ship has. sure ok, now I have an armor rep bonus and a 4th slot to slap that cap injector.
but to do that I need to downgrade to electrons. not the middle tier guns (ions) but electrons.
honestly, I like the changes to the amarr ships. I really do, but they are ******* up the deimos, wich was boosted to relatively usefulness just a while ago.
if they were going to add a rep bonus, wouldn't it logically go to the ishtar? afterall the thorax is the gank and the vexor the tank. stupid change. mediocre tank with a rep bonus is still a mediocre tank.
well I did meant that the rep bonus is useless in the deimos ---
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ArmyOfMe
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
well I did meant that the rep bonus is useless in the deimos
i think everyone agree on that, other then the guy in ccp that came up with this brilliant idea
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: Grimpak
well I did meant that the rep bonus is useless in the deimos
i think everyone agree on that, other then the guy in ccp that came up with this brilliant idea
actually JoJo says that the deimos is omfgwtfbbq with those stats and bonuses.
yeah right ---
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ArmyOfMe
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: Grimpak
well I did meant that the rep bonus is useless in the deimos
i think everyone agree on that, other then the guy in ccp that came up with this brilliant idea
actually JoJo says that the deimos is omfgwtfbbq with those stats and bonuses.
yeah right
yeah well you know, if everyone listend to jojo we would flying around with pulsedeimos or something
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:19:00 -
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Whoa,didnt expect this....Awesome boosts.
thanks ccp! This is what happens when a kestrel with thermal missiles declares war on earth |
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Erayo
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:20:00 -
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Only if the other races had someone like JoJo, everyone would have 8/8/8 jove ships by now.
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Dangerously Cheesey
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:36:00 -
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lol at the eagle's 5th turret. The only thing keeping it balanced was its relatively low dps/alpha compared to the Muninn. Time to put the muninn away and start on caldari cruiser V?
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Dawn Crystal
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dangerously Cheesey lol at the eagle's 5th turret. The only thing keeping it balanced was its relatively low dps/alpha compared to the Muninn. Time to put the muninn away and start on caldari cruiser V?
Another boost to Caldari? OK, that's it. I am switching to Caldari.
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hellsknights
RennTech SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:52:00 -
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Edited by: hellsknights on 02/02/2008 01:55:55
Originally by: Erayo
Originally by: hellsknights Im at work here, so i can't log to see changes......
They added a rep bonus to the Deimos and cahnged a low slot for a mid. Did they remove any bonuses? or just add?
Since your at work, I guess you can't read everything(puzzles me as its stated on the first page).
MWD bonus removed and Armour rep bonus added -1 Lowslot +1 midslot
Hey wang, when i read the first post the Deimos bonuses were not stated. As you can tell the OP was edited, so it was added later. Does that solve your puzzle? If not anything else i can do to help?
Thanks for the answer anyhow.
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:54:00 -
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These are actually good changes. I like.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal These are actually good changes. I like.
Ive seen demios pilots thrilled about 4 mids on sisi. Im not sure if everyone is giving this a chance or just put their flame-hats on just for the heck of it.
Amarr pvp Vids: Inq - I Inq - II |
hellsknights
RennTech SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:59:00 -
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Edited by: hellsknights on 02/02/2008 01:59:45 Cool for the fourth mid, but crappy for the loss of the MWD bonus.
I never even fit a armor rep on my Deimos, so the new bonus does not even help me out.
Back to the drawing board for me then and plenty others im sure.
PS. congrats to the Amarrians
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Drummle
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Posted - 2008.02.02 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: N1fty Seriously guys, get real, its not that Gallente is overpowered, its that Omni tanks and stacking nerfs' broke Amarr damage while the HP boosts exposed the cap weaknesses.
This mostly bypassed Gallente who benefitted from the DCU's and the fact that most of their ships can afford to fit a cap booster with mwd and full tackle.
Amarr are being brought back to what they used to be. Damage and Armour.
Not that most of these whiners would know anything about what Amarr used to be.
Sweet does this mean that we get the stacking penalty removed from heat sinks on geddons
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xHalcyonx
Amarr Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2008.02.02 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: hellsknights Edited by: hellsknights on 02/02/2008 01:59:45 Cool for the fourth mid, but crappy for the loss of the MWD bonus.
I never even fit a armor rep on my Deimos, so the new bonus does not even help me out.
Back to the drawing board for me then and plenty others im sure.
PS. congrats to the Amarrians
Grid, CPU, and cap need to be adjusted for the 5th turret on the Zealot and Omen. With my current fit I am CPU maxed (400/400) and very close to PG limit. (10mn MWD II, Fleeting 20km disruptor, medium electrochem cap booster, Mar II, 4x HPL II) ------------------- ნỊs uʍop əpỊsdn Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr! |
Xerpex
Ars ex Discordia
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Posted - 2008.02.02 02:08:00 -
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Edited by: Xerpex on 02/02/2008 02:13:52 Yah deimos haters shut up, it won't be a subpar hac anymore.
edit: the rep bonus is there because of the brutix.
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UGLYUGLY
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Posted - 2008.02.02 02:21:00 -
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I love what they have done to the apoc, they have made it into one sexy ass boat, now if they would just spread that natural cap reduction bonus to the other amarr ships.
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Kadoes Khan
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Posted - 2008.02.02 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: xHalcyonx Edited by: xHalcyonx on 02/02/2008 02:10:24
Originally by: hellsknights Edited by: hellsknights on 02/02/2008 01:59:45 Cool for the fourth mid, but crappy for the loss of the MWD bonus.
I never even fit a armor rep on my Deimos, so the new bonus does not even help me out.
Back to the drawing board for me then and plenty others im sure.
PS. congrats to the Amarrians
Grid, CPU, and cap need to be adjusted for the 5th turret on the Zealot and Omen. With my current fit I am CPU maxed (400/400) and very close to PG limit.
-=Zealot=-
4x HPL II
1x 10mn MWD II 1x Fleeting 20km Disruptor 1x Medium Electrochem Cap booster w/ cap 800s
1x MAR II 1x ANP II 1x Therm Hardener II 1x DCU II 3x HS II
2x ANP I rigs
It _barely_ fits as I said. More CPU, Grid, and Cap plz CCP.
Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Capacitor Power Relay II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Small Armor Repairer II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Faint Warp Prohibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M [empty high slot]
Anti-Thermic Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
Fits with enough room to add the 5th HPL II. I think your problem comes in trying to tank it, gank it and make it go fast. The zealot really doesn't have fitting problems, the omen is a different story though.
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Kon sama
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Posted - 2008.02.02 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong The Eagle, Moa and Ferox now also have another turret.
Eagle is now the undisputed king of anti-support. Apoc is now the undisupted king of sniping.
what about the vulture? did it get an extra turret too?
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DubanFP
Caldari Four Rings Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.02 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kon sama
Originally by: Goumindong The Eagle, Moa and Ferox now also have another turret.
Eagle is now the undisputed king of anti-support. Apoc is now the undisupted king of sniping.
what about the vulture? did it get an extra turret too?
I dont' know if that would be a good idea. Vulture is a gang support ship more then a strait up fighting ship. ___________
Desolacer> Who the heck gives YOU the right to ruin it for others buy blowing them up.
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Cmndr Griff
Opinicus Operations Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.02.02 02:26:00 -
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5th turret for my Zealot? Just what the doctor ordered
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Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.02 02:34:00 -
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ZOMG... Zealot and Apoc might actually be good again???
And TBH, I like the Deimos change as well. Just fit it for tank now instead of gank.
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Julius Romanus
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.02 03:20:00 -
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5th turret's are cool. I dont know that the eagle needed one, but whatever. Can the omen please have some fitting though.
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Fifi LeFume
Griefers Inc. Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.02 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kruel
And TBH, I like the Deimos change as well. Just fit it for tank now instead of gank.
What? the deimos is a GANK ship, it has dual damage bonii, if you wanted to fly tanked use a brutix. The deimos is all about mobility and damage, you kill it before it kill you.
Not happy with the changes tbh.
It used to be good gank, now its meh tank, and meh gank due to pg use of an injector
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Ariel Dawn
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.02 03:37:00 -
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Tracking Disruptors reduce falloff now as well on SiSi. A single TD used vs a Vagabond will cut it's DPS when its at around 18-20km to less than that of the higher tier T1 frigates (disregarding drones). Whining about this particular ship should now immediately cease.
I wonder what race will become the next 'Amarr Problem' candidate once CCP finishes over-boosting their ships. Meanwhile, time to start training 'em!
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Julius Romanus
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.02 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ariel Dawn Tracking Disruptors reduce falloff now as well on SiSi. A single TD used vs a Vagabond will cut it's DPS when its at around 18-20km to less than that of the higher tier T1 frigates (disregarding drones). Whining about this particular ship should now immediately cease.
I wonder what race will become the next 'Amarr Problem' candidate once CCP finishes over-boosting their ships. Meanwhile, time to start training 'em!
YESDFSAJKLFSJKLASFJKL YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Tracking Disruptor love. my joy cannot be contained in text.
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