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Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.01 23:13:00 - [31] Originally by: Goumindong The Eagle, Moa and Ferox now also have another turret. Eagle is now the undisputed king of anti-support. Apoc is now the undisupted king of sniping. Oh, how I wish I had been there to see your reaction to this change... guess the 5-gun Eagle isn't so insane, huh? And guess what: Caldari are the sniper race. The fact that it's taken until now for the Eagle to become the undisputed king of anti-support sniping is a pretty big problem.
NateX THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.01 23:17:00 - [32] 7 turrets on tempest plix! R0ADKILL-killboard \|
Augeas	Posted - 2008.02.01 23:26:00 - [33] Quote: tell me wtf is wrong with the deimos atm? It's a terrible ship, that's what its problem is. Against a tier 2 BC, it's just fancily packed loot and salvage. I love seeing Deimos on scan.
Kadoes Khan	Posted - 2008.02.01 23:27:00 - [34] Edited by: Kadoes Khan on 01/02/2008 23:27:09 Quote: Zealot and Omen both get 5 turrets, but no extra fittings at this time. \o/ HOORAY! -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity."
Byzan Zwyth Dark Centuri Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.01 23:28:00 - [35] cyclone needs another one too Sig removed. Lacks EVE related content. For more information feel free to contact [email protected]. ~Saint
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.01 23:29:00 - [36] Originally by: Augeas Quote: tell me wtf is wrong with the deimos atm? It's a terrible ship, that's what its problem is. Against a tier 2 BC, it's just fancily packed loot and salvage. I love seeing Deimos on scan. yeah it's a fancily packed loot and salvage untill you noticed that a falcon is jamming you. then you won't like to get hurt by a neutron gank deimos. --- planetary interaction idea!
kessah Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.02.01 23:32:00 - [37] The Apoc needs more CPU and a bigger drone bay. It needs these things because the reliance on drones for battleships "Especially ones without dmg bonuses" has become so much more. Opt range bonus though is spot on.
Kai Lae Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.02.01 23:34:00 - [38] Moronic deimos change. It needed to have a highslot removed and a mid added, not a lowslot. I don't like the repper addition either.
Erayo Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.02.01 23:38:00 - [39] Originally by: kessah The Apoc needs more CPU and a bigger drone bay. It needs these things because the reliance on drones for battleships "Especially ones without dmg bonuses" has become so much more. Opt range bonus though is spot on. Didn't we K/O you in the other thread? Apocs already got 5 bonuses.
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.01 23:38:00 - [40] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 01/02/2008 23:43:50 Originally by: Byzan Zwyth cyclone needs another one too /signed Cyclone is worthless compared to the Hurricane, and needs at least a 6th, if not 7th gun just as badly as the Ferox did. Originally by: kessah The Apoc needs more CPU and a bigger drone bay. It needs these things because the reliance on drones for battleships "Especially ones without dmg bonuses" has become so much more. Opt range bonus though is spot on. No. This is utterly insane. The Apoc is now a top-tier fleet sniper, with strong arguments for being the best one. With that optimal range bonus, it completely obsoletes the Megathron (more DPS with more range and more tracking), almost does the same to the Minmatar ships with only alpha really keeping them useful, and obsoletes the Rokh in the majority of fleet engagements where the Rokh can't use its superior range. Adding 50m3 of drones to the Apoc would create the most broken unbalanced battleship in the game.
Anjar Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.01 23:41:00 - [41] Originally by: Kai Lae Moronic deimos change. It needed to have a highslot removed and a mid added, not a lowslot. I don't like the repper addition either. qft
kessah Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.02.01 23:42:00 - [42] Edited by: kessah on 01/02/2008 23:42:17 +25 base CPU at least imho to the Apoc that is. BTW this is 4 changes in one post, ffs forum devs can we not have a separate thread for each ******* change?
Edriahn Gallente Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.02.01 23:42:00 - [43] Heh, not sure what's more stupid, the slot change, or the bonus change. Its rediculous... This will make the ship useless. Get real, please!
Taguchi Hiroko Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2008.02.01 23:47:00 - [44] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Taguchi Hiroko deimos with a 4th mid slot would definitly make it overpowered. I fly mainly a deimos and I know its main weakness is its cap, now with an injector it is perfect. who cares if it has to lose a hardener or an eanm if it could now zoom around and whack everyone up while repping non stop. I think this is what ccp had in mind because deimos isnt really that popular afaik. they changed the bonus? ****!! this is so lame CCP!!!
Taguchi Hiroko Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2008.02.01 23:50:00 - [45] Edited by: Taguchi Hiroko on 01/02/2008 23:50:13 Originally by: DigitalCommunist Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Taguchi Hiroko deimos with a 4th mid slot would definitly make it overpowered. I fly mainly a deimos and I know its main weakness is its cap, now with an injector it is perfect. who cares if it has to lose a hardener or an eanm if it could now zoom around and whack everyone up while repping non stop. I think this is what ccp had in mind because deimos isnt really that popular afaik. You're both wrong. If they're going through with this, its to remove some of the tanking potential of Gallente ships. One less low slot translates into one less EANM or Damage Control. That translates into less armor EM resists. It also means I can't use two relays and two CCC's for self-sustaining setup, which ****es me off because I hate how inconvenient and stupid injectors are. The Zealot damage boost is also completely unnecessary, and I bet it hurts the popularity of the Absolution pretty good yep, I didnt see they changed the bonus of deimos too. wtf is the point of an armor rep bonus anyways?! It looks like a thorax and should fly like one!
ArmyOfMe Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2008.02.01 23:52:00 - [46] wtf. this deimos change has to be some sort of sick joke. there is nothing wrong with the deimos as it is now, it fills its role perfectly. nobody has even complained about it and they still go and change it
marie claude Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.01 23:56:00 - [47] jesus why dose ccp have it in for us gall pilots? first the eos the ishtar and myrm get nerfed to thier knees now this and the armor nerf too? wtf ??? (facepalms) trinity = EPIC FAIL
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.01 23:59:00 - [48] Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 02/02/2008 00:02:55 Originally by: Augeas Quote: tell me wtf is wrong with the deimos atm? It's a terrible ship, that's what its problem is. Against a tier 2 BC, it's just fancily packed loot and salvage. I love seeing Deimos on scan. ...and now its a **tier Brutix, how is that an improvement? . Less cap, one less low, not enough fitting to use the 4th mid and a useless 6th high. How the ** is it supposed to mwd into range when it'll use more than half its cap getting there, then it'll use the rest trying to shoot. Even with the injector, which will be a pain to fit unless you rig or drop to electrons. You still wont have enough cap for the a repper that tries to deal with your already crap armor HP because you wont be able to fit a plate either. Unbelivable.
Perfect Diamond	Posted - 2008.02.02 00:03:00 - [49] Doesn anyone know if anything else about the apoc has change. Like the base locking range shortened?
MITSUK0	Posted - 2008.02.02 00:03:00 - [50] Edited by: MITSUK0 on 02/02/2008 00:04:31 weeeeee MMO's are great huh? Spend ages perfecting your skills in <INSERT OVERPOWERED ASPECT OF THE GAME HERE> just to have the rug swept from under your feet. Gonna train up amarr now? Suck it up guys Amarr now have a good HAC and a kick ass sniper BS while been a little bit less gimped in damage type. They even made the amarr EW vaguely usefull, enjoy that falloff while you can**abonds! Edit: they filter now :(:(:(:( **abond = vagabond
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.02 00:05:00 - [51] Originally by: marie claude jesus why dose ccp have it in for us gall pilots? the ishtar Stop giving Gal pilots a bad name. The Eos was overpowered, even if the nerf was little heavy handed, it still needed a nerf. The Ishtar is exactly the same.
Taguchi Hiroko Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2008.02.02 00:10:00 - [52] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Originally by: marie claude jesus why dose ccp have it in for us gall pilots? the ishtar Stop giving Gal pilots a bad name. The Eos was overpowered, even if the nerf was little heavy handed, it still needed a nerf. The Ishtar is exactly the same. but the gal recons got ****** in the ass.
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.02 00:11:00 - [53] Originally by: Taguchi Hiroko Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Originally by: marie claude jesus why dose ccp have it in for us gall pilots? the ishtar Stop giving Gal pilots a bad name. The Eos was overpowered, even if the nerf was little heavy handed, it still needed a nerf. The Ishtar is exactly the same. but the gal recons got ****** in the ass. Damp nerf made Gall recons useless yes, doesn't make your original post any less wrong.
Taguchi Hiroko Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2008.02.02 00:11:00 - [54] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Originally by: Taguchi Hiroko Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Originally by: marie claude jesus why dose ccp have it in for us gall pilots? the ishtar Stop giving Gal pilots a bad name. The Eos was overpowered, even if the nerf was little heavy handed, it still needed a nerf. The Ishtar is exactly the same. but the gal recons got ****** in the ass. Damp nerf made Gall recons useless yes, doesn't make your original post any less wrong. my original post?
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.02 00:20:00 - [55] Originally by: Taguchi Hiroko Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Originally by: marie claude jesus why dose ccp have it in for us gall pilots? the ishtar Stop giving Gal pilots a bad name. The Eos was overpowered, even if the nerf was little heavy handed, it still needed a nerf. The Ishtar is exactly the same. but the gal recons got **** in the ass. The amarr recons got **** in the ass more.
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2008.02.02 00:20:00 - [56] If they're going to do any slot changes to the Deimos, it should be to gut that utility high and give it a mid from that. Also, MWD cap usage bonus > armor rep effectiveness, because nobody in their right mind actively tanks a Deimos. Rest looks pretty cool, but Deimos changes are not the happytime, plzkthx. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
Erayo Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.02.02 00:26:00 - [57] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Taguchi Hiroko Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Originally by: marie claude jesus why dose ccp have it in for us gall pilots? the ishtar Stop giving Gal pilots a bad name. The Eos was overpowered, even if the nerf was little heavy handed, it still needed a nerf. The Ishtar is exactly the same. but the gal recons got **** in the ass. The amarr recons got **** in the ass more. The infamous answer: "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of gold. While the Minmatar are versatile and the Caldari do electronic warfare the Amarr simply sit there and charge their lasers, secure in their knowledge that God is on their side."
ArmyOfMe Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2008.02.02 00:26:00 - [58] Originally by: Cadiz If they're going to do any slot changes to the Deimos, it should be to gut that utility high and give it a mid from that. Also, MWD cap usage bonus > armor rep effectiveness, because nobody in their right mind actively tanks a Deimos. Rest looks pretty cool, but Deimos changes are not the happytime, plzkthx. my rep is most for show and fixing after fights then anything else, just like it should be. deimos is a kill or be killed kinda ship and thats why i love it so much
hellsknights RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.02 00:30:00 - [59] Im at work here, so i can't log to see changes...... They added a rep bonus to the Deimos and cahnged a low slot for a mid. Did they remove any bonuses? or just add?
Erayo Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.02.02 00:34:00 - [60] Originally by: hellsknights Im at work here, so i can't log to see changes...... They added a rep bonus to the Deimos and cahnged a low slot for a mid. Did they remove any bonuses? or just add? Since your at work, I guess you can't read everything(puzzles me as its stated on the first page). MWD bonus removed and Armour rep bonus added -1 Lowslot +1 midslot

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