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Chen Chura
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Posted - 2008.02.06 23:56:00 -
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Seriously, what is with a MWDing,Cloaking Raven that lets it get into warp before I am able to lock him?
chasing this speedy freak around the systems, run him into a nice roadblock on a gate. (aka gate camp)
he uncloaks, I try to lock, he recloaks, then 2.5 seconds maybe 3 seconds later he uncloaks and instawarps.
last i checked only stealth bombers and blackops could pull that off...
so. seriously. what is with this sneaky slippery Raven?
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.07 00:26:00 -
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Fit more sensor boosters? lol
Align to the thing most in front of you coming out of cloak, punch the MWD, Cloak, de-cloak while still decelerating and bam... insta warp.
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Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.07 00:27:00 -
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1-2 nanos in the low. Uncloak, hit MWD, immediately cloak. As soon as you reach warp speed, uncloak and warp out.
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Mr Twinkie
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.02.07 00:28:00 -
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he doesnt suck?
and post with a main or does ur gatecamp letting a bs sneak thru embarrass u -----------------
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.07 01:58:00 -
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Basically its another collosal fuk up by CCP that they wont acknowledge which enables you to travel thorugh low sec in any ship you want and be totaly invunerable.
I have tested this method in a battleship and had an interceptor with 5k scan res try to lock me and it is not possible.
CCP 'are aware' of this though are doing nothing viaible about it.
The fix is incredibly simple.. If your mwd is active you cannot cloak.. end of problem.
SKUNK
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delta phi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.02.07 02:39:00 -
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i love when pirates whine
shoot first, shoot second, shoot some more.shoot anyone asking stupid f***ing questions. |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.07 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: delta phi i love when pirates whine
I love it when bears pheer my pvp skills so much they post with alts
SKUNK
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.02.07 03:18:00 -
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Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 07/02/2008 03:19:07
Originally by: Le Skunk The fix is incredibly simple.. If your mwd is active you cannot cloak.. end of problem.
SKUNK
In fact, let's go a step further: If a carebear tries to MWD and cloak, their ship explodes and the surviving loot is transferred to your cargo bay automatically.
God forbid people are able to get an 85-90% chance of escaping being ganked with a dedicated setup, eh? ________________
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.07 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0 Fit more sensor boosters? lol
There is a minimum lock time so even all of the sensor boosters in the world couldn't save you
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.07 03:50:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 03:54:37 Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 03:53:58 Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 03:50:33
Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 07/02/2008 03:19:07
Originally by: Le Skunk The fix is incredibly simple.. If your mwd is active you cannot cloak.. end of problem.
SKUNK
In fact, let's go a step further: If a carebear tries to MWD and cloak, their ship explodes and the surviving loot is transferred to your cargo bay automatically.
God forbid people are able to get an 85-90% chance of escaping being ganked with a dedicated setup, eh?
Well, your wrong.
Its a 99.9% chance of escape. The 'dedicated setup' is 1x cloak and 1xmwd. Under 1 million isk.
I can just about stomach it if a blockade runner is doing it. But a whopping great raven being unlockable?
Ive tested it with a 5k scan res interceptor trying to lock my battleship. He couldnt lock me.
Surely even the most kacknoobish bear would admit that there is soemthing borked about a "dedicated setup" officer fit interceptor not being able to lock a 1 mill isk fit lumbering raven.
The solution again, for ccp, is to make cloaks not activate if a mwd has been activated. Simple. The bear still has the option to
a) cloak .. align.. unclock and warp (cutting his alginement time right out but still being locakable if there is a dedicated tackler) b) Use his mwd to burn back to the gate, or try to outdistance the tackler.
Thats known as balance.
SKUNK
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.02.07 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk Well, your wrong.
Its a 99.9% chance of escape. The 'dedicated setup' is 1x cloak and 1xmwd. Under 1 million isk.
I can just about stomach it if a blockade runner is doing it. But a whopping great raven being unlockable?
SKUNK
Well... I don't think a T1 cloak and a MWD are going to save a Raven from even a casual gatecamp. Maybe from one person with a mediocre lock time chasing them, but a camp?
As far as BRs go, that's exactly what I was thinking of. 90% of people think they're useless now (even though they're not, since people who still use them say they can escape most of the time). They already took a usefulness hit now that there's infiniscramble, and removing their ability to pulse-cloak would hit them again.
It would be a hit against CovOps too, since the inability to cloak and MWD would mean 'ceptors with drones out going 9km/sec would find it much easier to decloak them.
(I'm going to embark on a career in piracy soon myself, but I just don't think MWD + cloak gives any ship that equips them the ability to escape 99.9% of the time... and if so, I'll have to try them out myself. ) ________________
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.07 04:27:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 04:32:14 Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 04:29:40
Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn
Well... I don't think a T1 cloak and a MWD are going to save a Raven from even a casual gatecamp. Maybe from one person with a mediocre lock time chasing them, but a camp?...
I'm going to embark on a career in piracy soon myself, but I just don't think MWD + cloak gives any ship that equips them the ability to escape 99.9% of the time... and if so, I'll have to try them out myself. )
Well as someone who has been thought of as 'pirate' for quite some time let me catagoricall state that it is so borked that it WILL work 99.9% of the time. If you do it correctly it WILL get you past camp with tacklers with 2000 plus scan res.
Hitting your mwd boosts your speed up to 500% higher then it can normaly be. Hitting your cloak as soon as you align to the gate makes you unlockable. The cloak turns you mwd off automatically. As the module deactivates, your speed drops but your still over 100% speed so unlcoaking and hitting warp warps you instantly.
It takes a couple of goes to get the hang of it.. but then you have a noob in the slowest battleship in the game having to spend 1 million isk to avoid a 10 man gate camp.
Its borked. CCP need to do something about it if they have any care about balance.
SKUNK
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Quote: Also, at a good gate camp, you'll have a dedicated inifiscrambler, a dedicated tackler or three, possibly nanoships, sensor boosting ships, command ships, and God only knows what else, right? With the change you propose, the chance for ANY ship to escape these drops considerably. The only way to escape would be to have a warp align time faster than any physically possible lock time (AKA, Prorator with good modules and implants and skills).
If you jump a lone unscouted BS into a 15 man well prepared synergy camp like you discuss above, well then yes you should prety much die. The sheer balance of ships, isk, fittings, tactics, teamwork, skill points, and man hours would pretty much demand it.
SKUNK
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.02.07 04:31:00 -
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But why can't you fly some 'ceptors over to try to decloak it? MWD gives a 500% speed boost, but a T1 cloak then nerfs that speed again by 90% (75% for the T2).
Though, I do realize that the fact of the MWD running is what allows peeps to instawarp as soon as they're aligned. I just don't see why you have a hard time decloaking some fool in a Raven that takes 20 seconds to align with MWD on and moves like 80 m/sec while cloaked. ________________
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Krows
Caldari Resource Reallocators Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.07 04:33:00 -
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Is this thread serious? If someone makes a dedicated travel setup and evades your gate camp, you either need to adapt or get over it. Those are you only two options. Stop posting here and figure out a way to counter it.
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.02.07 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn It would be a hit against CovOps too, since the inability to cloak and MWD would mean 'ceptors with drones out going 9km/sec would find it much easier to decloak them.
...wait , what ? WTB !
Originally by: ivan draco we didnt want your post anyway
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.07 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn But why can't you fly some 'ceptors over to try to decloak it? MWD gives a 500% speed boost, but a T1 cloak then nerfs that speed again by 90% (75% for the T2).
Though, I do realize that the fact of the MWD running is what allows peeps to instawarp as soon as they're aligned. I just don't see why you have a hard time decloaking some fool in a Raven that takes 20 seconds to align with MWD on and moves like 80 m/sec while cloaked.
The whole process tkaes under 10 seconds from start to warp. A snake inty sat waiting will see the ship for half a seconds as it cloaks and rapidly head towards it starting to pick up speed.
However as soon as the ship cloaks (ie straight away) the game stops your ship approaching it, rapidly decreasing speed to nothing. So you then have to manualy click to pick up speed and try to aim roughly in front of the ship that you never really saw where he was in the first place.
Then if you flukely DO manage to uncloak the ship, well hes at warping speed already and the delay in being able to lock an uncloaking ship adds another second or so. Then your tackler has to lock. Then yours tacklers disruptors have to activate. The BS has long gone by then.
SKUNK
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.07 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Krows Is this thread serious? If someone makes a dedicated travel setup and evades your gate camp, you either need to adapt or get over it. Those are you only two options. Stop posting here and figure out a way to counter it.
I didnt realise a 'dedicate travel setup' consisted of 1 MWD and 1 Cloak to make the slowest ships in the game unlockable.
Thats not a dedicated travel set up. Thats sacrificing one slot of a full battle fit dude.
I seem to remember people saying "STOP POSTING HERE AND FIND A WAY TO COUNTER IT" about many things.. recently most notably Mothership inabiity to be tackled in low sec.
However CCP rightly saw this near invunerabilty as unbalanced and changed the game with the introudction of heavy interdictors.
CCP often dont know whats gogin on in their game even though they programmed the thing, and posting here is often the way to make them aware.
SKUNK
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Mistress Clara
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Posted - 2008.02.07 05:08:00 -
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lol
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.02.07 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: Stakhanov ...wait , what ? WTB !
I just picked a number out of the air, any speed measured in handfuls of KM/sec is pretty dang fast.
I don't think it's horribly difficult to get some ceptors above 9 km/sec, though. ________________
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zoltar
Caldari Perdu Opus
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Posted - 2008.02.07 05:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Clara lol
this
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Chen Chura
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Posted - 2008.02.07 06:42:00 -
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Thank you all.
I was just posting because I wanted to know how to do it too. No sense in just random barge gankers knowing how to travel with ease.
Seems be best counter for this would be some nano/speed setup: 1) target uncloaks to burst MWD before cloaking 2) nanobumper aligns to position and hits ramming speed 3) cross your fingers and hope to bump he hell out of the target before they can warp off. |
ceyriot
Minmatar Crimson Rebellion
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Posted - 2008.02.07 07:03:00 -
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4) dictor bubblespam? Sig removed. Political references are not permitted in signatures. If you would like further details please email [email protected]. ~Saint |
Twilight Mourning
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Posted - 2008.02.07 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Krows Is this thread serious? If someone makes a dedicated travel setup and evades your gate camp, you either need to adapt or get over it. Those are you only two options. Stop posting here and figure out a way to counter it.
I didnt realise a 'dedicate travel setup' consisted of 1 MWD and 1 Cloak to make the slowest ships in the game unlockable.
Thats not a dedicated travel set up. Thats sacrificing one slot of a full battle fit dude.
I seem to remember people saying "STOP POSTING HERE AND FIND A WAY TO COUNTER IT" about many things.. recently most notably Mothership inabiity to be tackled in low sec.
However CCP rightly saw this near invunerabilty as unbalanced and changed the game with the introudction of heavy interdictors.
CCP often dont know whats gogin on in their game even though they programmed the thing, and posting here is often the way to make them aware.
SKUNK
Even me, a super noob pirate, knows how to get this one taken care of. Since you are mister uber master pirate himself I will say this to you most humbly. Sir, if you drop a bubble when you see the gate activate, the ebil bear won't be able to warp after cloak. He can still then proceed to travel to the outset of the bubble but this will give you plenty of time to de-cloak him with your inty / dedicated tackler. Assign some drones to the tackler and you have an even better chance. Have the tackler drop a can near where he things the cloaked vessel is and have EVERYONE circle the can at different distances... even better! Can't drop a bubble because you are in low sec and not 0.0? Get a pair of balls and quit claiming to be a pirate. So I humbly hope this information has helped you in your cause of killing evil bears!
Twilight
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Xsag
Caldari SPECTRE Ops
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Posted - 2008.02.07 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Twilight Mourning
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Krows Is this thread serious? If someone makes a dedicated travel setup and evades your gate camp, you either need to adapt or get over it. Those are you only two options. Stop posting here and figure out a way to counter it.
I didnt realise a 'dedicate travel setup' consisted of 1 MWD and 1 Cloak to make the slowest ships in the game unlockable.
Thats not a dedicated travel set up. Thats sacrificing one slot of a full battle fit dude.
I seem to remember people saying "STOP POSTING HERE AND FIND A WAY TO COUNTER IT" about many things.. recently most notably Mothership inabiity to be tackled in low sec.
However CCP rightly saw this near invunerabilty as unbalanced and changed the game with the introudction of heavy interdictors.
CCP often dont know whats gogin on in their game even though they programmed the thing, and posting here is often the way to make them aware.
SKUNK
Even me, a super noob pirate, knows how to get this one taken care of. Since you are mister uber master pirate himself I will say this to you most humbly. Sir, if you drop a bubble when you see the gate activate, the ebil bear won't be able to warp after cloak. He can still then proceed to travel to the outset of the bubble but this will give you plenty of time to de-cloak him with your inty / dedicated tackler. Assign some drones to the tackler and you have an even better chance. Have the tackler drop a can near where he things the cloaked vessel is and have EVERYONE circle the can at different distances... even better! Can't drop a bubble because you are in low sec and not 0.0? Get a pair of balls and quit claiming to be a pirate. So I humbly hope this information has helped you in your cause of killing evil bears!
Twilight
u can only drop bubbles in 0.0 ^^
~n00b of all trades~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ ~Now with a face!~
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delta phi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.02.07 09:42:00 -
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i think its wonderful finaly a way to get past gatecamps.its balance, perfect balence.if u time it wrong your dead so there is risk.jeez pirats whine more than noobs after can flipping
shoot first, shoot second, shoot some more.shoot anyone asking stupid f***ing questions. |
Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.07 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: Setana Manoro on 07/02/2008 10:29:26 Edited by: Setana Manoro on 07/02/2008 10:26:13
Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn
Originally by: Stakhanov ...wait , what ? WTB !
I just picked a number out of the air, any speed measured in handfuls of KM/sec is pretty dang fast.
I don't think it's horribly difficult to get some ceptors above 9 km/sec, though.
He means the "interceptors with drones out" part. 9km/s in a ceptor can be done with a pure t2 fit and crap rigs. The sheer fact that you didn't understand what he meant by that remark means that you should start learning game mechanics and untill then, stfu.
Originally by: delta phi i think its wonderful finaly a way to get past gatecamps.its balance, perfect balence.if u time it wrong your dead so there is risk.jeez pirats whine more than noobs after can flipping
It's not finally a way, it has always been like this, just that now more and more have learned it. And yes, it is broken if with a 1m isk investment you can get past such a gang.
Originally by: Twilight Mourning
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Krows Is this thread serious? If someone makes a dedicated travel setup and evades your gate camp, you either need to adapt or get over it. Those are you only two options. Stop posting here and figure out a way to counter it.
I didnt realise a 'dedicate travel setup' consisted of 1 MWD and 1 Cloak to make the slowest ships in the game unlockable.
Thats not a dedicated travel set up. Thats sacrificing one slot of a full battle fit dude.
I seem to remember people saying "STOP POSTING HERE AND FIND A WAY TO COUNTER IT" about many things.. recently most notably Mothership inabiity to be tackled in low sec.
However CCP rightly saw this near invunerabilty as unbalanced and changed the game with the introudction of heavy interdictors.
CCP often dont know whats gogin on in their game even though they programmed the thing, and posting here is often the way to make them aware.
SKUNK
Even me, a super noob pirate, knows how to get this one taken care of. Since you are mister uber master pirate himself I will say this to you most humbly. Sir, if you drop a bubble when you see the gate activate, the ebil bear won't be able to warp after cloak. He can still then proceed to travel to the outset of the bubble but this will give you plenty of time to de-cloak him with your inty / dedicated tackler. Assign some drones to the tackler and you have an even better chance. Have the tackler drop a can near where he things the cloaked vessel is and have EVERYONE circle the can at different distances... even better! Can't drop a bubble because you are in low sec and not 0.0? Get a pair of balls and quit claiming to be a pirate. So I humbly hope this information has helped you in your cause of killing evil bears!
Twilight
Mr L33t-emo name. You can't drop bubbles in low-sec, and you keep the 0.0 you are so proud off and shove it where the sun don't shine, with dedication from the forum you are posting on. Also, mr emo, he had the pair to post with his main and take the flak, you can start talking about balls when you grow and set, and post with you main.
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Twilight Mourning
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Posted - 2008.02.07 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Twilight Mourning on 07/02/2008 11:33:10
Originally by: Setana Manoro
Mr L33t-emo name. You can't drop bubbles in low-sec, and you keep the 0.0 you are so proud off and shove it where the sun don't shine, with dedication from the forum you are posting on. Also, mr emo, he had the pair to post with his main and take the flak, you can start talking about balls when you grow and set, and post with you main.
Obviously you are having problems reading what I wrote. The part where I said I am a noob? Guess what. That' means I am a noob you idiot! lol And the part where I pointed out that if he can't drop bubbles because he is in low sec... then he should go to 0.0? So why are you then telling me that you can't drop bubbles in low sec when i said the same thing? You realy need to work on your reading comprehension. You're failing at around a 3rd grade level. Which may even be an insult to 3rd graders.
Edit: I speeled me werds wrong.
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Constance Noring
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Posted - 2008.02.07 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk Ive tested it with a 5k scan res interceptor trying to lock my battleship. He couldnt lock me.
How about you fit that ceptor for speed instead and uncloak the battleship before he's aligned?
Originally by: Le Skunk Surely even the most kacknoobish bear would admit that there is soemthing borked about a "dedicated setup" officer fit interceptor not being able to lock a 1 mill isk fit lumbering raven.
The only thing wrong here is you sitting there still in your officer fitted ceptor and crying because you can't just activate modules and scoop loot.
Originally by: Le Skunk The solution again, for ccp, is to make cloaks not activate if a mwd has been activated. Simple.
Yeah, let's screw over all coverts and recons trying to bust through 0.0 bubblecamps so you don't have to learn how to be effective
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Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.07 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Setana Manoro on 07/02/2008 14:38:35
Originally by: Twilight Mourning Edited by: Twilight Mourning on 07/02/2008 11:33:10
Originally by: Setana Manoro
Mr L33t-emo name. You can't drop bubbles in low-sec, and you keep the 0.0 you are so proud off and shove it where the sun don't shine, with dedication from the forum you are posting on. Also, mr emo, he had the pair to post with his main and take the flak, you can start talking about balls when you grow and set, and post with you main.
Obviously you are having problems reading what I wrote. The part where I said I am a noob? Guess what. That' means I am a noob you idiot! lol And the part where I pointed out that if he can't drop bubbles because he is in low sec... then he should go to 0.0? So why are you then telling me that you can't drop bubbles in low sec when i said the same thing? You realy need to work on your reading comprehension. You're failing at around a 3rd grade level. Which may even be an insult to 3rd graders.
Edit: I speeled me werds wrong.
If this 21d char is really your main, then you have no ideea what this thread is about. No way you could have tested or experienced what is the subject of this thread in 21days of playing this game.
PS: Don't insult ppl on the eve-o forum, mods do read these threads and banstick could be incoming.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.07 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Krows Is this thread serious? If someone makes a dedicated travel setup and evades your gate camp, you either need to adapt or get over it. Those are you only two options. Stop posting here and figure out a way to counter it.
I didnt realise a 'dedicate travel setup' consisted of 1 MWD and 1 Cloak to make the slowest ships in the game unlockable.
Thats not a dedicated travel set up. Thats sacrificing one slot of a full battle fit dude.
I seem to remember people saying "STOP POSTING HERE AND FIND A WAY TO COUNTER IT" about many things.. recently most notably Mothership inabiity to be tackled in low sec.
However CCP rightly saw this near invunerabilty as unbalanced and changed the game with the introudction of heavy interdictors.
CCP often dont know whats gogin on in their game even though they programmed the thing, and posting here is often the way to make them aware.
SKUNK
Jeez, I never thought I'd see you be the one to cry for a nerf.
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