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Brutoth Tain
Independant Recon and Intelligence Agency
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Posted - 2008.02.10 12:30:00 -
[151]
 Originally by: NightmareX
It's the carebears who need to adapt that you are most likely going to be killed if you jump into a 10 man gang in low sec WITHOUT a scout.
Your crying about a tactic and your claiming yet again that these mythical "carebears" need to adapt.
The "carebears" have adapted and now have a way to evade your gate camp but you cant adapt so you expect CCP to change the rules for you so you don't need to adapt,
That's what makes you a noobie piebear.
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NightmareX
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.02.10 13:42:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Brutoth Tain
Originally by: NightmareX
It's the carebears who need to adapt that you are most likely going to be killed if you jump into a 10 man gang in low sec WITHOUT a scout.
Your crying about a tactic and your claiming yet again that these mythical "carebears" need to adapt.
The "carebears" have adapted and now have a way to evade your gate camp but you cant adapt so you expect CCP to change the rules for you so you don't need to adapt,
That's what makes you a noobie piebear.
How many times have piracy been nerfed?, and how many times have carebears been crying on the forum and wanted a change? and what have happened?. Yes, CCP have listened to all of the crying carebears.
This time the carebears need to adapt. Simply because the Cloak wasn't putted into the game to be used as a cheat to get away from gate camps THAT easy.
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Brutoth Tain
Independant Recon and Intelligence Agency
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Posted - 2008.02.10 14:10:00 -
[153]
Originally by: NightmareX
How many times have piracy been nerfed?, and how many times have carebears been crying on the forum and wanted a change? and what have happened?. Yes, CCP have listened to all of the crying carebears.
This time the carebears need to adapt. Simply because the Cloak wasn't putted into the game to be used as a cheat to get away from gate camps THAT easy.
Piracy has also receeived many boosts including WCS nerf and heavy dictors, The cloak+MWD tactic is the only real viable tactic to escape camps on the fly now. Reagarding your comment about how people shouldnt be able to evade "that easy" that cuts both ways there is no written right you should be able to gate camp and kill people that easy either.
I agree carebears whine a lot, "whaagggh whaaggh I got ganked in a gatecamp" but you have to see your doing the exact same thing "whaaggh whaaggh they didn't get ganked in the gate camp" and that puts you on the same level as the carebear and do you really want to be what you obviously dislike so much?.
So your choices are simple you can keep acting like a piebear and sniveling on the forums because somebody got away or you can either try to adapt new methods or just suck it because you cant catch them all.
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hedfunk
Caldari
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.10 14:18:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Considered
ah right so the most uber, all powerful hedfunk likes to keep the station within 0m for comfort does he?
Aww diddums, bless.
Originally by: Considered
OMFG FAIL....like you then hedfunk.
haha, wtf are you on about? Seriosuly, get a clue kiddo.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.10 15:09:00 -
[155]
Originally by: marie blueprint
we are all alts. so bleah im almost a year old.
we tried this it worked like a charm.ishkur sits in the gate when the bs warps to zero and jups u jump in too hit the ab as soon as u come out launch 5 lt drones.our ishkur pilot bumped right into the bs.pow bye bye raven.
Well - if you were not so scared that you were posting with an alt, I would offer to come run your gatecamp with my exploiting mwd alt and see hoe effective your tatctic is.
you keep refering to 'we', but seeing as you are to lame to post with a main (for some bizare reason.. posting with an alt normaly indicates fear of repercussion which i wouldnt expect from a big gang of uber pirates like you seem to be making out you are) I cannot quantify how good you are.
You tactic of jumping in a ship after him and praying to god that of all the places around the gate you end up , you are right next to him, relies on fluke, and should not be a fix for this issue.
Sure i could have 500 alts in shuttles sat on the gate ready to jump through, spamming all possible uncloak points on the other side, but thats another mark up for the metagming farce that eve is turning into
SKUNK
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.10 15:13:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Anything that makes low sec gate camping less effective is good for low sec, and consequently good for pirates. So gate camps are less effective, but perhaps more people will go to low sec, more targets, just not at gates.
How can that be bad?
People keep saying this. I really cannot understand it.
Where exaclt do you think these targets will be?
Admiring the beautiful flare effect at the sun.
Orbiting planet IX for the hell of it.
Racing each other to giant secure can 112233
Mining worthless roids
Shooting worthless rats
Having more people in low sec will mean more people docked. And more people at the gates heading to stations. Thats pretty much it.
"More people in low sec" is a mantra people chant repeatedly like a religious cult.
 This is understandable if you raise the rewards to match the risk.
But most defianlty not if you lower the risk to match the crappy rewards
This will make low sec even more pointless to be in.
SKUNK
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.10 15:16:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I
Something like resetting the speed to "highest cloaked speed value" when decloaking? Ie for a bomber, or BO it would mean a speed equal to or higher than uncloaked speed (which, i think, would still let them insta warp as intended) whereas with a raven it'd bring it to 10% of regular speed= it cant insta warp.
Something along those lines anyway, far too drastic to remove cloak + mwd imo compared to balance between gatecamps and giving solo players a chance to escape at least.
A sound idea, and one that would be easily implemented and still allow dedicated ships (ie non combat fit bs lol) to stand a chance.
SKUNK
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Fourty Niner
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Posted - 2008.02.10 16:01:00 -
[158]
Edited by: Fourty Niner on 10/02/2008 16:01:53
Edited by: Fourty Niner on 10/02/2008 16:01:11
Ive changed my mind a bit, although I still think its funny that you can escape from a ten man camp like this, the WHOLE negative of a microwarp, (That is you are Easier to hit/lock) means that if you use one when you cloak there should really be some larger target/ not quite cloaked effect.
Dont get me wrong, MWDind-cloaking should in some way help you escape, the effect I would aim for, is that exibited when ships first exit stations, where they are invunrable to lock, but still apprachable.
This would mean that the fast interceptors would have some chance of getting close enough to breack the cloak, but that it couldnt lock until then
Yes I am posting with an Alt, cos frankly, I can do without getting a WAR dec just because someone takes offence at a forum post |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.10 18:43:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Anything that makes low sec gate camping less effective is good for low sec, and consequently good for pirates. So gate camps are less effective, but perhaps more people will go to low sec, more targets, just not at gates.
How can that be bad?
People keep saying this. I really cannot understand it.
Where exaclt do you think these targets will be?
Why are you there?
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SirMoric
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.02.10 19:05:00 -
[160]
I'm pretty impressed this thread is still alive, on the other hand I may just as well keep it alive.
As told numerous of times in the thread, we, the pirates, have our own, "stop'em"-ship, a heavy interdictor, a ship that was invented as a compromise to the capitals sitting on gates and being untouchable.
A heavy interdictor is kind of a compromise between what piratehunters/carebears/pirates wanted, someway of nailing the capitals in low-sec.
Now, is the heavy interdictor too strong a ship for low-sec? Well, if you get caught by one.... you won't leave it again, except in a pod or the sudden station-spawning that occurs right after you walk towards the light at the end of the tunnel.
The only way of getting past one of these, or our multiple friends waiting nearby, is the cloak-warp-trick, which I concur is a cheap shot. The other way is throwing a expendable alt through the gate to see what's on the other side. One way or another, we in the gatecamp won't get the "juicy" Raven.
If people know how to do the mwd-cloaky-thing, they also know of the alt-trick.
So, if the trick is removed, what can we give in return? A heavy interdictor that isn't as good against less than capital-sized ships?
Just a thought, cause the "trick" is faulty, but it's the only way they get pass us without filling our camps with noob-ships. Lets take some but also give some....
rgds
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Considered
Caldari
Second Fleet of Homogeneous Clarity
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Posted - 2008.02.10 19:11:00 -
[161]
Originally by: hedfunk
Originally by: Considered
ah right so the most uber, all powerful hedfunk likes to keep the station within 0m for comfort does he?
Aww diddums, bless.
Originally by: Considered
OMFG FAIL....like you then hedfunk.
haha, wtf are you on about? Seriosuly, get a clue kiddo.
lol....it seems hedfunk , for all he talks about me having an obsession with him, likes to post back to me.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.10 20:02:00 -
[162]
Originally by: SirMoric
I'm pretty impressed this thread is still alive, on the other hand I may just as well keep it alive.
As told numerous of times in the thread, we, the pirates, have our own, "stop'em"-ship, a heavy interdictor, a ship that was invented as a compromise to the capitals sitting on gates and being untouchable.
A heavy interdictor is kind of a compromise between what piratehunters/carebears/pirates wanted, someway of nailing the capitals in low-sec.
Now, is the heavy interdictor too strong a ship for low-sec? Well, if you get caught by one.... you won't leave it again, except in a pod or the sudden station-spawning that occurs right after you walk towards the light at the end of the tunnel.
The only way of getting past one of these, or our multiple friends waiting nearby, is the cloak-warp-trick, which I concur is a cheap shot. The other way is throwing a expendable alt through the gate to see what's on the other side. One way or another, we in the gatecamp won't get the "juicy" Raven.
If people know how to do the mwd-cloaky-thing, they also know of the alt-trick.
So, if the trick is removed, what can we give in return? A heavy interdictor that isn't as good against less than capital-sized ships?
Just a thought, cause the "trick" is faulty, but it's the only way they get pass us without filling our camps with noob-ships. Lets take some but also give some....
rgds
The heavy interdictor, whilst nice, is overkill.
People were clamering for something to bypass the MOMS immunity in lowsec.. but instead of just this, CCP tack on something with an infinite point scram ( which nobody ever asked for once and make warp core stabs pretty much useless) and the ability to deploy a buble in 0.0 (again nobody ever asked for this as there is a ship that can do it perfectly well already.). Its like asking for a burger and being given a steak dinner, which whilst all very filling, was not what was ordered and does not justify the waiter spitting in your entre.
To then use this overkill ship to justify people using a borked game mechanic is not sound.
Im still using a lachesis whilst locks faster then any interdictor, with 6 points and a insta web (albeit its a little more fragile). It does the job fine, and always did - whilst leaving ther being a point to warp core stabs.
SKUNK
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Stephannus Calimben
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.10 20:09:00 -
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i really don't understand why people whine so much about this trick. ya its annoying when blockade runners do it, but we've pretty much given up on catching them unless we have like four smartbombers on the gate. and if its a battleship getting by? ya we all swear alot on vent but crying on the forums about it?
get an inty up to 5k scan res, run him on the comp with the best network connection of the lot, and theres a chance you will catch this guy if he is even the tiniest little bit off on his timing.
if you caught that, i just said "you will catch him if he screws up", which is really all we ever hope for anyways right? what carebear brings a CNR to lowsec if not by mistake/stupidity? or a freighter? or a shuttle full of t2 bpos? or a covops with 5b loot who didnt warp to the gate cloaked and was thus smartbombed?
seriously folks, sometimes you miss ships. i missed killing a blackops on the gate on the first day they came out, because most of us on the gate didnt realize they wouldnt show up on overview. you win some you lose some. so quit ******* crying already
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.10 20:33:00 -
[164]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 10/02/2008 20:34:00
Originally by: Stephannus Calimben
.... but we've pretty much given up on catching them
Thats the problem. CCP dont like invunerable ships in this game, and the mwd cloak ship is invunerable barring a fluke uncloak or big fat finger syndrome from the guy doding it.
The very fact that such estemed pirates as yourself have "given up " on ever catching people abusing this mechanic shows how truely out of place in this game it is. Everything is supposed to have a counter in this game, and this one dosent have one.
Respect to you for not acting all gung ho and uber and actualy admitting you cannot catch ships using this exploit.
Your attitude that "well not everyone is abusing this so its ok" stinks though. Its shortsighted, in that you can laugh off one BS doding it a week, then one does it a day, then 10 do it a day, then every other ship does it.... Then you wont be so blaze.
SKUNK
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hedfunk
Caldari
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.10 22:55:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Considered
Originally by: hedfunk
Originally by: Considered
ah right so the most uber, all powerful hedfunk likes to keep the station within 0m for comfort does he?
Aww diddums, bless.
Originally by: Considered
OMFG FAIL....like you then hedfunk.
haha, wtf are you on about? Seriosuly, get a clue kiddo.
lol....it seems hedfunk , for all he talks about me having an obsession with him, likes to post back to me.
This thread is of intrest to me. When some random noob posts stuff about me, i'm inclined to reply.
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Bahubali
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Posted - 2008.02.11 03:06:00 -
[166]
Oh well, i can't think of any other reason this thread was made, but oh nooooes our gank camp couldn't uncloak a big bad raven and it warps off.
That's why the T1 cloak is given the penalty of reducing speed.
But i guess it only takes a whining post, bookmark it and keep posting in it to let it whine more like some of our posters i saw in this thread do who are on every page like they don't got any one to gank now lol and made their mission to whine more :P
This is all a big joke right??? to stroke your E-Peen cuz someone escaped your all mighty gate camp.
Seroiusly get a life...
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NightmareX
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.02.11 03:33:00 -
[167]
Edited by: NightmareX on 11/02/2008 03:33:39
Originally by: Bahubali
Oh well, i can't think of any other reason this thread was made, but oh nooooes our gank camp couldn't uncloak a big bad raven and it warps off.
That's why the T1 cloak is given the penalty of reducing speed.
But i guess it only takes a whining post, bookmark it and keep posting in it to let it whine more like some of our posters i saw in this thread do who are on every page like they don't got any one to gank now lol and made their mission to whine more :P
This is all a big joke right??? to stroke your E-Peen cuz someone escaped your all mighty gate camp.
Seroiusly get a life...
Oh oh, look, you don't have the balls to post with your main LMAO .
Just hide behind your noob carebear character. It's damn scary to post with your main i can tell ya, it's extremely dangerous.
CCP, fix my forum portrait FFS |
Leyalor Esperence
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2008.02.11 09:45:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Bahubali
useless words
We have been civil and eloquent with our discussion of the issue and the returned proposals; it would be refreshing if you could do us all the small favor of not posting next time.
The arguments have been made and the same solutions keep popping up, even five pages in people are still saying anchor a bubble or launch interdiction spheres. We are talking about low security space, and an exploit that allows anyone to bypass a camp.
I also agree with skunk, including the excerpt about heavy interdictors. I love them to bits, but they are very much overkill.
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hedfunk
Caldari
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.11 10:26:00 -
[169]
Heavy Intedictors are fun as hell, but yeah, they are slightly overkill....then again, if they get neref...I'll just switch nack to my lach with 10points, so it makes no difference really.
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Tyrell Foehammer
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Posted - 2008.02.11 17:23:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Stephannus Calimben
<deleted text> you win some you lose some. so quit ******* crying already
/signed
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Wylker
Caldari
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.11 17:26:00 -
[171]
The cloak to insta-warp trick is pretty BS imho. It's been around forever, but now tons of people use it. It is a border line exploit imho.
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