Originally by: Praxis1452

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you win eve

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Originally by: delta phi

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i love when pirates whine

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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The fix is incredibly simple.. If your mwd is active you cannot cloak.. end of problem.

SKUNK

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Originally by: techzer0

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Fit more sensor boosters? lol

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Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn

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Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 07/02/2008 03:19:07

Originally by: Le Skunk

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The fix is incredibly simple.. If your mwd is active you cannot cloak.. end of problem.

SKUNK

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In fact, let's go a step further: If a carebear tries to MWD and cloak, their ship explodes and the surviving loot is transferred to your cargo bay automatically.

God forbid people are able to get an 85-90% chance of escaping being ganked with a dedicated setup, eh?

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Well, your wrong.

Its a 99.9% chance of escape.
The 'dedicated setup' is 1x cloak and 1xmwd. Under 1 million isk.

I can just about stomach it if a blockade runner is doing it. But a whopping great raven being unlockable?

SKUNK

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Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn

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Well... I don't think a T1 cloak and a MWD are going to save a Raven from even a casual gatecamp. Maybe from one person with a mediocre lock time chasing them, but a camp?...


I'm going to embark on a career in piracy soon myself, but I just don't think MWD + cloak gives any ship that equips them the ability to escape 99.9% of the time... and if so, I'll have to try them out myself. )

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Also, at a good gate camp, you'll have a dedicated inifiscrambler, a dedicated tackler or three, possibly nanoships, sensor boosting ships, command ships, and God only knows what else, right? With the change you propose, the chance for ANY ship to escape these drops considerably. The only way to escape would be to have a warp align time faster than any physically possible lock time (AKA, Prorator with good modules and implants and skills).

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Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn

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It would be a hit against CovOps too, since the inability to cloak and MWD would mean 'ceptors with drones out going 9km/sec would find it much easier to decloak them.

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Originally by: ivan draco

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we didnt want your post anyway

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Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn

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But why can't you fly some 'ceptors over to try to decloak it? MWD gives a 500% speed boost, but a T1 cloak then nerfs that speed again by 90% (75% for the T2).

Though, I do realize that the fact of the MWD running is what allows peeps to instawarp as soon as they're aligned. I just don't see why you have a hard time decloaking some fool in a Raven that takes 20 seconds to align with MWD on and moves like 80 m/sec while cloaked.

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Originally by: Krows

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Is this thread serious?
If someone makes a dedicated travel setup and evades your gate camp, you either need to adapt or get over it. Those are you only two options. Stop posting here and figure out a way to counter it.

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Originally by: Stakhanov

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...wait , what ? WTB !

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Originally by: Mistress Clara

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lol

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Krows

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Is this thread serious?
If someone makes a dedicated travel setup and evades your gate camp, you either need to adapt or get over it. Those are you only two options. Stop posting here and figure out a way to counter it.

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I didnt realise a 'dedicate travel setup' consisted of 1 MWD and 1 Cloak to make the slowest ships in the game unlockable.

Thats not a dedicated travel set up. Thats sacrificing one slot of a full battle fit dude.

I seem to remember people saying "STOP POSTING HERE AND FIND A WAY TO COUNTER IT" about many things.. recently most notably Mothership inabiity to be tackled in low sec.

However CCP rightly saw this near invunerabilty as unbalanced and changed the game with the introudction of heavy interdictors.

CCP often dont know whats gogin on in their game even though they programmed the thing, and posting here is often the way to make them aware.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Twilight Mourning

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Krows

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Is this thread serious?
If someone makes a dedicated travel setup and evades your gate camp, you either need to adapt or get over it. Those are you only two options. Stop posting here and figure out a way to counter it.

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I didnt realise a 'dedicate travel setup' consisted of 1 MWD and 1 Cloak to make the slowest ships in the game unlockable.

Thats not a dedicated travel set up. Thats sacrificing one slot of a full battle fit dude.

I seem to remember people saying "STOP POSTING HERE AND FIND A WAY TO COUNTER IT" about many things.. recently most notably Mothership inabiity to be tackled in low sec.

However CCP rightly saw this near invunerabilty as unbalanced and changed the game with the introudction of heavy interdictors.

CCP often dont know whats gogin on in their game even though they programmed the thing, and posting here is often the way to make them aware.

SKUNK

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Even me, a super noob pirate, knows how to get this one taken care of. Since you are mister uber master pirate himself I will say this to you most humbly. Sir, if you drop a bubble when you see the gate activate, the ebil bear won't be able to warp after cloak. He can still then proceed to travel to the outset of the bubble but this will give you plenty of time to de-cloak him with your inty / dedicated tackler. Assign some drones to the tackler and you have an even better chance. Have the tackler drop a can near where he things the cloaked vessel is and have EVERYONE circle the can at different distances... even better! Can't drop a bubble because you are in low sec and not 0.0? Get a pair of balls and quit claiming to be a pirate. So I humbly hope this information has helped you in your cause of killing evil bears!

Twilight

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Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn

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Originally by: Stakhanov

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...wait , what ? WTB !

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I just picked a number out of the air, any speed measured in handfuls of KM/sec is pretty dang fast.

I don't think it's horribly difficult to get some ceptors above 9 km/sec, though.

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Originally by: delta phi

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i think its wonderful finaly a way to get past gatecamps.its balance, perfect balence.if u time it wrong your dead so there is risk.jeez pirats whine more than noobs after can flipping

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Originally by: Twilight Mourning

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Krows

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Is this thread serious?
If someone makes a dedicated travel setup and evades your gate camp, you either need to adapt or get over it. Those are you only two options. Stop posting here and figure out a way to counter it.

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I didnt realise a 'dedicate travel setup' consisted of 1 MWD and 1 Cloak to make the slowest ships in the game unlockable.

Thats not a dedicated travel set up. Thats sacrificing one slot of a full battle fit dude.

I seem to remember people saying "STOP POSTING HERE AND FIND A WAY TO COUNTER IT" about many things.. recently most notably Mothership inabiity to be tackled in low sec.

However CCP rightly saw this near invunerabilty as unbalanced and changed the game with the introudction of heavy interdictors.

CCP often dont know whats gogin on in their game even though they programmed the thing, and posting here is often the way to make them aware.

SKUNK

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Even me, a super noob pirate, knows how to get this one taken care of. Since you are mister uber master pirate himself I will say this to you most humbly. Sir, if you drop a bubble when you see the gate activate, the ebil bear won't be able to warp after cloak. He can still then proceed to travel to the outset of the bubble but this will give you plenty of time to de-cloak him with your inty / dedicated tackler. Assign some drones to the tackler and you have an even better chance. Have the tackler drop a can near where he things the cloaked vessel is and have EVERYONE circle the can at different distances... even better! Can't drop a bubble because you are in low sec and not 0.0? Get a pair of balls and quit claiming to be a pirate. So I humbly hope this information has helped you in your cause of killing evil bears!

Twilight

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Originally by: Setana Manoro

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Mr L33t-emo name. You can't drop bubbles in low-sec, and you keep the 0.0 you are so proud off and shove it where the sun don't shine, with dedication from the forum you are posting on.
Also, mr emo, he had the pair to post with his main and take the flak, you can start talking about balls when you grow and set, and post with you main.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Ive tested it with a 5k scan res interceptor trying to lock my battleship. He couldnt lock me.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Surely even the most kacknoobish bear would admit that there is soemthing borked about a "dedicated setup" officer fit interceptor not being able to lock a 1 mill isk fit lumbering raven.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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The solution again, for ccp, is to make cloaks not activate if a mwd has been activated. Simple.

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Originally by: Twilight Mourning

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Edited by: Twilight Mourning on 07/02/2008 11:33:10

Originally by: Setana Manoro

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Mr L33t-emo name. You can't drop bubbles in low-sec, and you keep the 0.0 you are so proud off and shove it where the sun don't shine, with dedication from the forum you are posting on.
Also, mr emo, he had the pair to post with his main and take the flak, you can start talking about balls when you grow and set, and post with you main.

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Obviously you are having problems reading what I wrote. The part where I said I am a noob? Guess what. That' means I am a noob you idiot! lol And the part where I pointed out that if he can't drop bubbles because he is in low sec... then he should go to 0.0? So why are you then telling me that you can't drop bubbles in low sec when i said the same thing? You realy need to work on your reading comprehension. You're failing at around a 3rd grade level. Which may even be an insult to 3rd graders.

Edit: I speeled me werds wrong.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Krows

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Is this thread serious?
If someone makes a dedicated travel setup and evades your gate camp, you either need to adapt or get over it. Those are you only two options. Stop posting here and figure out a way to counter it.

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I didnt realise a 'dedicate travel setup' consisted of 1 MWD and 1 Cloak to make the slowest ships in the game unlockable.

Thats not a dedicated travel set up. Thats sacrificing one slot of a full battle fit dude.

I seem to remember people saying "STOP POSTING HERE AND FIND A WAY TO COUNTER IT" about many things.. recently most notably Mothership inabiity to be tackled in low sec.

However CCP rightly saw this near invunerabilty as unbalanced and changed the game with the introudction of heavy interdictors.

CCP often dont know whats gogin on in their game even though they programmed the thing, and posting here is often the way to make them aware.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Basically its another collosal fuk up by CCP that they wont acknowledge which enables you to travel thorugh low sec in any ship you want and be totaly invunerable.

I have tested this method in a battleship and had an interceptor with 5k scan res try to lock me and it is not possible.

CCP 'are aware' of this though are doing nothing viaible about it.

The fix is incredibly simple.. If your mwd is active you cannot cloak.. end of problem.



SKUNK

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Originally by: Snackerlfang

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Edited by: Snackerlfang on 07/02/2008 15:08:41

Originally by: Le Skunk

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Basically its another collosal fuk up by CCP that they wont acknowledge which enables you to travel thorugh low sec in any ship you want and be totaly invunerable.

I have tested this method in a battleship and had an interceptor with 5k scan res try to lock me and it is not possible.

CCP 'are aware' of this though are doing nothing viaible about it.

The fix is incredibly simple.. If your mwd is active you cannot cloak.. end of problem.



SKUNK

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/looks at post here and notes similarities of thread here http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=699794
le skunks alt?

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Seriously, this is a way for players using knowledge and skill to get themselves in to and through lo-sec, and have a fair chance at making a living... and this is a bad thing?

Gatecamps *should* fail more often than not. The missioner or miner should have a reasonable expectation of completing his mining run or mission without losing his ship. Getting pirated should be a risk, not a certainty.

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Jeez, I never thought I'd see you be the one to cry for a nerf.

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Originally by: Twilight Mourning

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Can't drop a bubble because you are in low sec and not 0.0? Get a pair of balls and quit claiming to be a pirate. So I humbly hope this information has helped you in your cause of killing evil bears!
Twilight

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 15:10:14

Originally by: Snackerlfang

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Edited by: Snackerlfang on 07/02/2008 15:08:41

Originally by: Le Skunk

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Basically its another collosal fuk up by CCP that they wont acknowledge which enables you to travel thorugh low sec in any ship you want and be totaly invunerable.

I have tested this method in a battleship and had an interceptor with 5k scan res try to lock me and it is not possible.

CCP 'are aware' of this though are doing nothing viaible about it.

The fix is incredibly simple.. If your mwd is active you cannot cloak.. end of problem.



SKUNK

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/looks at post here and notes similarities of thread here http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=699794
le skunks alt?

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Idiot.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Sslinger

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If I repeat someone elses comment I opologise. I couldnt stomach to read the whole thing.

It is my experience that merely attempting to target someone will prevent them from cloaking. You dont actually have to be locked. So it wont really matter the number of sensor boosters.

Aslo someone mentioned above that you could hit "approach" in your inteceptor, but speed would reduce to zero once the ship cloaked..the counter for this is immediately after hitting the max speed button after hitting approach

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 15:14:42
Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 15:14:33

Originally by: Malcanis

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Seriously, this is a way for players using knowledge and skill to get themselves in to and through lo-sec, and have a fair chance at making a living... and this is a bad thing?

Gatecamps *should* fail more often than not. The missioner or miner should have a reasonable expectation of completing his mining run or mission without losing his ship. Getting pirated should be a risk, not a certainty.

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So the solo, unscouted, 1 month old pirate in the slowest BS in the game with 1 million isk fittings "should get past more often then not" ten 50 mill skillpoint pirates with a synergy gang and 3 billion isk of ships and fittings?

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Originally by: Le Skunk3)

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Real Men PVP in Empire
SKUNK

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Originally by: Malcanis

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I'm sorry, I simply don't see it as a bad thing that there's a counter to gate camps.

Your "we have more SP/ISK therefore we should always get kills" argument is, to be candid, pretty lame. Almost as disappointing as your cry for nerfing. If some guy and his 1M SP have found a way to counter your gang then well done and good luck to him. Instead of just stabbing up and then whining that HICs are overpowered, he's done something different, which requires a little practice and skill. Like that guy, whatsisname, who was robbing the big pirate gatecamp that popped him. Those pirates cried because someone was fighting back too, and they didn't get much respect either.

I can think of a couple of ways to make this tactic less reliably effective and I'm sure you can too. They're pretty obvious really, but on the other hand I sometimes travel lo-sec too.

But I repeat: it's a *good* thing that there's a moderately effective way to get through lo-sec camps. And if you calm down a little and think about it, I'm sure you'll think so to upon reflection. There's a reason most countries have catch-and-release laws...

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Originally by: Twilight Mourning

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Edited by: Twilight Mourning on 07/02/2008 15:41:04

Originally by: Le Skunk3)

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Real Men PVP in Empire
SKUNK

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Hahahahhahahahahhaa Keep on stokin that e-peen. And keep on watching us 1mil sp pilots get past your poor widdle gate camps.

As for real men PvP in Empire? I thought only kid who couldn't hack it in 0.0 PvPd in empire against defenseless carebears. Said carebears then have to hire real PvP corps that then cause said "real men" to dock up untill the real PvPers went away.

edit: Fixing the quote box.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Twilight Mourning

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Edited by: Twilight Mourning on 07/02/2008 15:41:04

Originally by: Le Skunk3)

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Real Men PVP in Empire
SKUNK

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Hahahahhahahahahhaa Keep on stokin that e-peen. And keep on watching us 1mil sp pilots get past your poor widdle gate camps.

As for real men PvP in Empire? I thought only kid who couldn't hack it in 0.0 PvPd in empire against defenseless carebears. Said carebears then have to hire real PvP corps that then cause said "real men" to dock up untill the real PvPers went away.

edit: Fixing the quote box.

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I seriously think your ranting indireclty about something totaly unrelated to this thread? Perhaps you were can flipped or something in empire?

This thread is specificaly about the borked mwd=cloak mechanics in low sec. When asked for a feasible counter to the broken mechanic, your answer was "rEAL men get teh ball and shooty 0.0" which is worthy of winning "idiot noob alt troll of the thread" award in a thread CHOCK FULL TO THE BRIM of idiot noob alt trolls.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Roguehalo

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the mechanics aren't broken. you just aren't good enough to hack it

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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I seriously think your ranting indireclty about something totaly unrelated to this thread? Perhaps you were can flipped or something in empire?

This thread is specificaly about the borked mwd=cloak mechanics in low sec. When asked for a feasible counter to the broken mechanic, your answer was "rEAL men get teh ball and shooty 0.0" which is worthy of winning "idiot noob alt troll of the thread" award in a thread CHOCK FULL TO THE BRIM of idiot noob alt trolls.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Twilight Mourning

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Adjust to them so that they work in your favor. What would be the point of having all the mechanics set so that there was no escaping a gate camp? That's all Eve would be is one giant gate camp.

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Originally by: Goyda

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This thread makes no sense, you missed a raven in your gatecamp, big fat hairy deal. He was good enough to get away. Honestly the thing about using a MWD and cloak, so what, kill the next ship that comes through. Doesn't need to be fixed, unless they first fix a 10000m/s machirel (sp) that I saw the other day.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Malcanis

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I'm sorry, I simply don't see it as a bad thing that there's a counter to gate camps.

Your "we have more SP/ISK therefore we should always get kills" argument is, to be candid, pretty lame. Almost as disappointing as your cry for nerfing. If some guy and his 1M SP have found a way to counter your gang then well done and good luck to him. Instead of just stabbing up and then whining that HICs are overpowered, he's done something different, which requires a little practice and skill. Like that guy, whatsisname, who was robbing the big pirate gatecamp that popped him. Those pirates cried because someone was fighting back too, and they didn't get much respect either.

I can think of a couple of ways to make this tactic less reliably effective and I'm sure you can too. They're pretty obvious really, but on the other hand I sometimes travel lo-sec too.

But I repeat: it's a *good* thing that there's a moderately effective way to get through lo-sec camps. And if you calm down a little and think about it, I'm sure you'll think so to upon reflection. There's a reason most countries have catch-and-release laws...

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Firslty thanks you for your post, they are a cut above some of the trolls on here.

1) Its not 'moderatly effecitve' its nigh on foolproof.

2) There is a good way to get safely thorugh lowsec.. scouts, a nano fit, an escort. Blindly slapping a 1 millin isk fitting on your combat ship and using a borked mechanic to escape is not a 'good way'.

3) This game is all about teamwork, skill points, fittings. CCP enocurage teamwork to achieve goals adn I do not feel it is unfair to suggest that it should not be overly difficult for 10 experienced pilots who have trained skills, bought ships, and setup SPECIFICALLY to catch you in your lumbering BS with its (1 million isk fittings) as you jump thorugh a gate should have incredible difficulty doing so

4) Whathisname was an attention seeking carebear alt, who got bored of camping the campers for hours on end (as people said he would) and has disapeared back to his main. Simply blocking his chat removed 90% of the fun he was getting from his fake noob crusade.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Goyda

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This thread makes no sense, you missed a raven in your gatecamp, big fat hairy deal. He was good enough to get away. Honestly the thing about using a MWD and cloak, so what, kill the next ship that comes through. Doesn't need to be fixed, unless they first fix a 10000m/s machirel (sp) that I saw the other day.

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This also shows a lack of clear thinking. You say "yeah the thing with the mwd and cloak allows a ship to get a way.. just get the next one".

Well if CCP dont fix this broken mechanic, then the next ship will have one. And the next ship. And the next ship. And the next ship.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Haldeeman

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There is a way and a counter to everything in eve.

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Well as it happens, I engage in a spot of 0.0 gate-camping now and then, dictor bubbles and all, and guess what? There're even fits that will allow some ships to evade that too. I know how frustrating it can be.

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I'll repeat again: if there's a way for people to travel relatively safely through lo-sec, so much the better. This is no more a bad thing for pirates than catch limits are for fisherman. You'll get fewer fish today, but many more fish this year. But you'll probably have to get off the gate to catch 'em.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Goyda

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...(sp) that I saw the other day.

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This also shows a lack of clear thinking. You say "yeah the thing with the mwd and cloak allows a ship to get a way.. just get the next one".

Well if CCP dont fix this broken mechanic, then the next ship will have one. And the next ship. And the next ship. And the next ship.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: delta phi

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i love when pirates whine

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I love it when bears pheer my pvp skills so much they post with alts

SKUNK

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Originally by: Thanos Mortis

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lol you suck at pirating this badly that you come to the forums to advertise this evasion tactic you're really clueless aren't you!!

You can decloak a BS before it aligns with a mwd burst from a commandship, how you can complain that you're "dedicated" 10man camp has a 0% success rate in catching someone employing this technique is laughable.

Have 1x ship dedicated to decloaking if need be, you could actually pay attention to you're scout, be ready for the gate activation and mwd into the direction of the recently cloaked ship.

Or instead of camping the gate at 0m, try manually spacing out 14km from the gate, more often than not one of your 10 man blob will probably be under 5km from the cloaker, if you can't react and decloak them in 10 seconds you really don't deserve a kill.

Quit the pathetic whining

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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Forum gods ANGRY.

Need sacrifice.

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Originally by: hellsknights

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It's always nice to kill something you can't afford

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Originally by: Tal Nok

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blah blah crap

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Originally by: Twilight Mourning

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For the love of god... learn to punctuate, learn to spell and learn to think!

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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Forum gods ANGRY.

Need sacrifice.

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Originally by: hellsknights

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It's always nice to kill something you can't afford

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Originally by: Thanos Mortis

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lol you suck at pirating this badly that you come to the forums to advertise this evasion tactic you're really clueless aren't you!!

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Originally by: DHB WildCat

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: delta phi

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i love when pirates whine

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I love it when bears pheer my pvp skills so much they post with alts

SKUNK

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I love when pirate whine too 8). Try 0.0 and this thing we call an interdictor. Meet you there

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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with bpos in cargohold.

SKUNK

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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Forum gods ANGRY.

Need sacrifice.

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Originally by: hellsknights

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It's always nice to kill something you can't afford

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Originally by: Tal Nok

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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with bpos in cargohold.

SKUNK

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can i have ur stuf%

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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LOL

Yes you most certainly can if you can catch my exploiting alt as he travels around eves low sec gatecamps, using a borked mechanic to render all the muliple genius posting in this thread impotent.

SKUNK

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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Forum gods ANGRY.

Need sacrifice.

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Originally by: hellsknights

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It's always nice to kill something you can't afford

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Originally by: Tal Nok

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Edited by: Tal Nok on 07/02/2008 20:17:37

Originally by: Le Skunk

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LOL

Yes you most certainly can if you can catch my exploiting alt as he travels around eves low sec gatecamps, using a borked mechanic to render all the muliple genius posting in this thread impotent.

SKUNK

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Sweet, I will just use my interdictor bubbles in low sec with my proper 500 man gate camp at optimal range, so they can't cloak.

EDIT: I tried to post in orange, but apparently I don't have the skills too.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Thanos Mortis

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lol you suck at pirating this badly that you come to the forums to advertise this evasion tactic you're really clueless aren't you!!

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Its a broken mechanic whether its known by 4 people or 40k people. Also where do you camp ill head there with my alt in a exploiting battlship with bpos in cargohold.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 20:13:35
Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 20:12:17

Originally by: DHB WildCat

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: delta phi

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i love when pirates whine

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I love it when bears pheer my pvp skills so much they post with alts

SKUNK

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I love when pirate whine too 8). Try 0.0 and this thing we call an interdictor. Meet you there

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Posting in orange does not make you cool.. it makes you a self important idiot.

This evidence is backed up with your post.. which suggests an interdicitor which cannot be used to bubble LOW SEC which is refered to multiple times in this thread.

0.0 is playing eve on easy mode as far as im concerend. Its lazy, requires little skill other then sitting around a collosal bubble without sentry guns to worry about. Its full of self important alliance blowhards whittering on about 'their space'. Ive tried it, it was unchallenging. But whether im in 0.0 or timbucktoo, this mechanic is still broken.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Thanos Mortis

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However when I spent the last 6 months+ in a pirate corp(s) specialising in gatecamps amongst other things we never had this problem, so yes, talking with experience I can safely say, you fail.

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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Forum gods ANGRY.

Need sacrifice.

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Originally by: hellsknights

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It's always nice to kill something you can't afford

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Originally by: Thanos Mortis

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Thanos Mortis

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lol you suck at pirating this badly that you come to the forums to advertise this evasion tactic you're really clueless aren't you!!

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Its a broken mechanic whether its known by 4 people or 40k people. Also where do you camp ill head there with my alt in a exploiting battlship with bpos in cargohold.

SKUNK

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I don't camp, and if I did it would be in 0.0...still coming?

However when I spent the last 6 months+ in a pirate corp(s) specialising in gatecamps amongst other things we never had this problem, so yes, talking with experience I can safely say, you fail.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Thanos Mortis

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Thanos Mortis

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lol you suck at pirating this badly that you come to the forums to advertise this evasion tactic you're really clueless aren't you!!

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Its a broken mechanic whether its known by 4 people or 40k people. Also where do you camp ill head there with my alt in a exploiting battlship with bpos in cargohold.

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I don't camp, and if I did it would be in 0.0...still coming?

However when I spent the last 6 months+ in a pirate corp(s) specialising in gatecamps amongst other things we never had this problem, so yes, talking with experience I can safely say, you fail.

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In case you missed the point, I was calling you out to back up your boast you could catch my theoretical exploiting battleship.

Now it is revelaed you "dont camp and live in 0.0" ... big suprise. And no i wont be coming to your easy mode 0.0.

Your experience in pirate corps 6 months ago means little to this exploit. You have

a) trolled
b) been called out and left wanting
c) provided nothing to this thread apart from posturing.

As such.. i bid you leave this thread and get back to your bubble

SKUNK

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god is this guy still whining?

Originally by: Dark Avatar

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Well, you sir play eve in easy mode. Using a rather lame megathron fitted with smartbombs, and stabbed up to sit on a gate poping frig class ships.

Now tell me that isnt eve on easy mode?

Back in your hole before you give the rest of us pirates a bad name !

D.A

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Thanos Mortis

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Thanos Mortis

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lol you suck at pirating this badly that you come to the forums to advertise this evasion tactic you're really clueless aren't you!!

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Its a broken mechanic whether its known by 4 people or 40k people. Also where do you camp ill head there with my alt in a exploiting battlship with bpos in cargohold.

SKUNK

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I don't camp, and if I did it would be in 0.0...still coming?

However when I spent the last 6 months+ in a pirate corp(s) specialising in gatecamps amongst other things we never had this problem, so yes, talking with experience I can safely say, you fail.

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In case you missed the point, I was calling you out to back up your boast you could catch my theoretical exploiting battleship.

Now it is revelaed you "dont camp and live in 0.0" ... big suprise. And no i wont be coming to your easy mode 0.0.

Your experience in pirate corps 6 months ago means little to this exploit. You have

a) trolled
b) been called out and left wanting
c) provided nothing to this thread apart from posturing.

As such.. i bid you leave this thread and get back to your bubble

SKUNK

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Skunk, if you only want to play with trolls, that's fine, but don't expect serious players to take your complaint seriously if you do.

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Skunk, if you only want to play with trolls, that's fine, but don't expect serious players to take your complaint seriously if you do.

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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Forum gods ANGRY.

Need sacrifice.

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Originally by: hellsknights

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It's always nice to kill something you can't afford

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Sslinger

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If I repeat someone elses comment I opologise. I couldnt stomach to read the whole thing.

It is my experience that merely attempting to target someone will prevent them from cloaking. You dont actually have to be locked. So it wont really matter the number of sensor boosters.

Aslo someone mentioned above that you could hit "approach" in your inteceptor, but speed would reduce to zero once the ship cloaked..the counter for this is immediately after hitting the max speed button after hitting approach

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An interceptor with 6k scan res CANNOT lock the ship using this trick. All you get is a repeated 'start of lock' sequence before lock breaks.

Thi hitting max speed button dose not work particulaly well as EVEs borked "water like" space physics, dip the nose of your interceptor down as if it is plughing through a wall of water. So when you have clicked max speed your heading off alignment.

SKUNK

SKUNK

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Originally by: DHB WildCat

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: delta phi

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i love when pirates whine

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I love it when bears pheer my pvp skills so much they post with alts

SKUNK

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I love when pirate whine too 8). Try 0.0 and this thing we call an interdictor. Meet you there

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Originally by: Praxis1452

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you win eve

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Originally by: DHB WildCat

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To Tal Noc and Skunk,
1. Have you ever heard of Burn Eden?
2. If so you know our largest gang is about 5. We rutinely engage heavily outnumbered against people flying ships that fight back.
3. Also if you think having a hyperion, mega, abbadon, and geddon on a gate at 0, all remote repping each other while trying to gank a single raven; is eve on hard mode..... Then you are honestly one of the worst pirates ever. Especially sense you cant catch that raven lol.

Anyhow I will bow out here, but of you are so concerned about 0.0 then I suggest you run missions, because low sec seems a little hard for you lol.

WildCat

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Originally by: Sslinger

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What I specifically said was...you dont have to be locked onto the target in order for the cloak to fail....you merely have to be attempting to target. Once the little orange brackets start flashing indicating that someone is starting the target process, your cloak will no longer function

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Originally by: Tal Nok

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Stuff I hope his parole officer doesn't see

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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I use a hyperion.. shows how long its been since I popped you.

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Originally by: Dark Avatar

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I still cant see how you can attribute skill to the way you operate.

Skill is attributed to people who find solutions to problems.

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With regards the issue, yes it does seem like an exploit. Whining about it will not get it fixed. Addressing it properly via a bug report/petition or whatever will bring it to ccp's attention.

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It is a lame tactic for carebears. Just as a smartbombing stabbed bs is a lame tactic for pirates.

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Originally by: DHB WildCat

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To Tal Noc and Skunk,
1. Have you ever heard of Burn Eden?
2. If so you know our largest gang is about 5. We rutinely engage heavily outnumbered against people flying ships that fight back.
3. Also if you think having a hyperion, mega, abbadon, and geddon on a gate at 0, all remote repping each other while trying to gank a single raven; is eve on hard mode..... Then you are honestly one of the worst pirates ever. Especially sense you cant catch that raven lol.

Anyhow I will bow out here, but of you are so concerned about 0.0 then I suggest you run missions, because low sec seems a little hard for you lol.

WildCat

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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Forum gods ANGRY.

Need sacrifice.

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Originally by: hellsknights

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It's always nice to kill something you can't afford

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Calm down.

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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Forum gods ANGRY.

Need sacrifice.

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Originally by: hellsknights

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It's always nice to kill something you can't afford

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Originally by: Dark Avatar

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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I use a hyperion.. shows how long its been since I popped you.

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Check your KB, you never did pop me, I evaded you the times I scanned you at the gate. I still cant see how you can attribute skill to the way you operate.

Skill is attributed to people who find solutions to problems. Such as catching cloaky mwding ravens.

With regards the issue, yes it does seem like an exploit. Whining about it will not get it fixed. Addressing it properly via a bug report/petition or whatever will bring it to ccp's attention.

In the meantime, I suggest you dont sit your bs/cmd ships at 0 on the gate. Get them all randomly at 14km away from a gate and then you might have more luck decloaking one before it has a chance to warp off. Yes, sadly this tactic will encourage you to grow some balls too.

It is a lame tactic for carebears. Just as a smartbombing stabbed bs is a lame tactic for pirates. But in both lights, both parties obviously get off on their relevant 'intepretations' of the game mechanics.

I have little respect for whiners, deal with it

D.A

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Originally by: Ceylana Zari

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If they sit on the gate then they won't be able to jump out if anything engages that that may be able to put up a fight. =p

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Originally by: Torfi

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There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses

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Originally by: Oveur

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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Forum gods ANGRY.

Need sacrifice.

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Originally by: hellsknights

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It's always nice to kill something you can't afford

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Originally by: Graalum

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also its called a damage control. Not a suitcase.

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Originally by: Jezebel Leroux

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So this thread boils down to:
- ganking should be unbeatable, except possibly by counter-gank of greater gankitude
- 50m skillpoints should be unbeatable
- two billion in fittings should be unbeatable

And if you disagree with any of these points you are:
- a noob
- a troll
- an alt
- a ****ie head

Yep, all the classic features of RPG PVP.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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No. (etc etc)

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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So the solo, unscouted, 1 month old pirate in the slowest BS in the game with 1 million isk fittings "should get past more often then not" ten 50 mill skillpoint pirates with a synergy gang and 3 billion isk of ships and fittings?

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Originally by: Jezebel Leroux

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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No. (etc etc)

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I dunno, I thought you were loud and proud the first time:

Originally by: Le Skunk

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So the solo, unscouted, 1 month old pirate in the slowest BS in the game with 1 million isk fittings "should get past more often then not" ten 50 mill skillpoint pirates with a synergy gang and 3 billion isk of ships and fittings?

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Originally by: Jezebel Leroux

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I don't recall asking you any questons at all. Thanks for going out of your way to underline the aforementioned lameness just the same though.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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0.0 is playing eve on easy mode as far as im concerend. Its lazy, requires little skill other then sitting around a collosal bubble without sentry guns to worry about. Its full of self important alliance blowhards whittering on about 'their space'. Ive tried it, it was unchallenging. But whether im in 0.0 or timbucktoo, this mechanic is still broken.

SKUNK

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And this is coming from a sucky wanna be low-sec Pirate that couldn't uncloak a Raven? Hahaha..

/Fail you do.
Im the girl momma warned you about..

Originally by: Donna Maria

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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0.0 is playing eve on easy mode as far as im concerend. Its lazy, requires little skill other then sitting around a collosal bubble without sentry guns to worry about. Its full of self important alliance blowhards whittering on about 'their space'. Ive tried it, it was unchallenging. But whether im in 0.0 or timbucktoo, this mechanic is still broken.

SKUNK

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And this is coming from a sucky wanna be low-sec Pirate that couldn't uncloak a Raven? Hahaha..

/Fail you do.

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Originally by: Dark Avatar

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In the meantime, I suggest you dont sit your bs/cmd ships at 0 on the gate. Get them all randomly at 14km away from a gate and then you might have more luck decloaking one before it has a chance to warp off. Yes, sadly this tactic will encourage you to grow some balls too.
I have little respect for whiners, deal with it

D.A

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Originally by: Donna Maria

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Originally by: Dark Avatar

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In the meantime, I suggest you dont sit your bs/cmd ships at 0 on the gate. Get them all randomly at 14km away from a gate and then you might have more luck decloaking one before it has a chance to warp off. Yes, sadly this tactic will encourage you to grow some balls too.
I have little respect for whiners, deal with it

D.A

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Ya they sit at 0 because if a heavy hitter jumps through they can jump out like little baby wenches. Whine some more please I have a lot of cheese.

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Originally by: Nexa Necis

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It would be nice if people left the whole carebear/pirate role out of things, as it really seems to cloud judgment.

I don't think the OP or Le Skunk has whined in the thread. I read the "solutions" to the problem posted here and I don't think they are as viable. Keep in mind, this problem also negates the role of a tackler. If a faction fit/boosted Inty isn't able to lock a BS, that does seem kind of odd.

I mean if you can master that technique then you're set in high sec or low sec. It sounds out of balance, but then again, I've never run into it, nor would I ever practice it.

I am sure this will be like the nano-BS phase where everyone was doing it and CCCP will make a change to limit it to maybe working only some of the time.

Just because you hate pirates or carebears doesn't mean this might not be an issue that needs looking into.

I do find it odd though that most of the smack talkers seem to be alts on the side against the pirate guys. Go figure.

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Originally by: NightmareX

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I just tried this on sisi, and it works wonderfull.

But one thing is for sure, THIS IS NOT RIGHT.

Change this game mechanic ASAP CCP.

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Originally by: Twilight Mourning

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Originally by: NightmareX

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I just tried this on sisi, and it works wonderfull.

But one thing is for sure, THIS IS NOT RIGHT.

Change this game mechanic ASAP CCP.

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You people realy need to quit your whining just because people have a chance to get away from your gate camps. All you want is to be able to kill anything and everything that comes through. You want Eve on God mode. It's not going to happen. You want to be able to kill everything that comes through your gate? Learn to play the damn game.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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If you had ever even attempted to come kill me in my smartbombing BS (which btw was incredibly easy to do.. I became so reckless I would pop badgers under the noses of POS guns with it) you might have a leg to stand on. As you didnt... well.

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Originally by: Dark Avatar

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Edited by: Dark Avatar on 09/02/2008 08:08:51

Originally by: Le Skunk

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If you had ever even attempted to come kill me in my smartbombing BS (which btw was incredibly easy to do.. I became so reckless I would pop badgers under the noses of POS guns with it) you might have a leg to stand on. As you didnt... well.

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Yes, we did actually, successfully putting a couple of points on you. But you still warped (!)

The second time, we came in even numbered battleships vs your corp but you remained in dock range, then proceeded to dock up as we landed although the numbers were 5v5.

Le Skunk, you are nothing special. Well you are a special case in a sense...

But this is de-railing this topic, so I will not endorse you with anymore flattery.

edit: After reading Nexia's post, I am just confirming I am no alt and I am a low sec pirate. I just completely disagree with Le Skunk on some of the issues he has raised.

I agree the issue does need to be addressed by ccp. But until then, rather than whine about it. Try to deal with it, come up with new tactics that doesn't involve sitting at 0 on a gate. - One mechanic that I believe is truly broken is the aggression timers (derail !?!), they should definately be extended by at least double.

D.A

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Originally by: Dark Avatar

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I agree the issue does need to be addressed by ccp. But until then, rather than whine about it - Try to deal with it

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One mechanic that I believe is truly broken is the aggression timers (derail !?!), they should definately be extended by at least double.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Edited by: Le Skunk on 09/02/2008 12:42:39
Edited by: Le Skunk on 09/02/2008 12:38:58

Originally by: Dark Avatar

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I agree the issue does need to be addressed by ccp. But until then, rather than whine about it - Try to deal with it

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Well seeing as you do not wish to derail the topic, then the only thing on topioc you have posted is this,

An agreement that the issue needs to be addressed by CCP - thanks
A lack of understanding that CCP respond (rightfully) to concerns on the forum, and indeed often reverse decisions made by petition (RE Imune Alliance nerfing).

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One mechanic that I believe is truly broken is the aggression timers (derail !?!), they should definately be extended by at least double.

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Most definatly so, but agression timers are not an abuse of game mechanics like the cloakmwd trick is. CCP made a conscious decision to set the agressio ntimer at a set amount of seconds. In no way did CCP put cloaks in the game to enable insta warping for Bs.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Twilight Mourning

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Edited by: Le Skunk on 09/02/2008 12:42:39
Edited by: Le Skunk on 09/02/2008 12:38:58

Originally by: Dark Avatar

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I agree the issue does need to be addressed by ccp. But until then, rather than whine about it - Try to deal with it

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Well seeing as you do not wish to derail the topic, then the only thing on topioc you have posted is this,

An agreement that the issue needs to be addressed by CCP - thanks
A lack of understanding that CCP respond (rightfully) to concerns on the forum, and indeed often reverse decisions made by petition (RE Imune Alliance nerfing).

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One mechanic that I believe is truly broken is the aggression timers (derail !?!), they should definately be extended by at least double.

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Most definatly so, but agression timers are not an abuse of game mechanics like the cloakmwd trick is. CCP made a conscious decision to set the agressio ntimer at a set amount of seconds. In no way did CCP put cloaks in the game to enable insta warping for Bs.

SKUNK

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I'm seeing lots of text but all I'm reading is "Whine, whine whine." Seeing all the pirate whinage alone makes it worth having this in game.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Im very sorry you want to pick a MULTIPLAYER game and 1 week into playing be the pwnerzor uyber warrior and massacre 100 man fleets in your noob ship.. but this aint the game for you sonny.
SKUNK

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: delta phi

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i love when pirates whine

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I love it when bears pheer my pvp skills so much they post with alts

SKUNK

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 09/02/2008 18:46:34
This is just crazy. LOL @ all of the noob carebear alts with no portraits that doesn't have the balls to post with your main, it's just ******* funny.

If you have had the balls to use your main, we would probably care about what you are saying.

And don't say that you guys without portrait is not alts, simply because if this is your main, then you don't know what your talking about because you haven't played EVE for a long time.

You are either a noob alt troll whiner or a new player without a portrait.

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Originally by: Brutoth Tain

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Edited by: Brutoth Tain on 09/02/2008 22:14:24

Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 09/02/2008 18:46:34
This is just crazy. LOL @ all of the noob carebear alts with no portraits that doesn't have the balls to post with your main, it's just ******* funny.

If you have had the balls to use your main, we would probably care about what you are saying.

And don't say that you guys without portrait is not alts, simply because if this is your main, then you don't know what your talking about because you haven't played EVE for a long time.

You are either a noob alt troll whiner or a new player without a portrait.

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1, Im not a Carebear in any iteration, version or alt,

2, attempting to claim anybody who doesn't agree with your opinions as a "carebear" is not the greatest sign of being anything other than an ignorant person who likes to define themselves as some kind of cool person and body who is not "cool" by not subscribing to their limited opinions is labeled as a "carebear"

3, your a noob who cannot adapt your tactics and methods and whines on the forums about it, please note that not being able to deal with any gaming situation at all times is not a sign of noobishness but whining about these situations in the hope that others will fix the situation for you is one of the most fundamental signs of noobishness

4, I feel no personal need to either justify my opinions or statements by the use of characters or the need to hide or cover up said opinions by using characters and I do not see forums as some kind of personalty contest and people either take what I post at face value and consider it or dismiss it, obviously you care deeply about "balls" and also E-peen and see the forums and internet as a extension of your IRL ego and personalty.

5, Perhaps you should consider leaving your corp and create a new one called "infinitus Odius" because you and your posting stink.

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Originally by: NightmareX

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All i'm seeing here is just a nubbing, a carebear who is to scared to post with his main (OMG it's to scary to post with my main). A stupid carebear who are to afraid to admit that this tactic is not supposed to work like it's been showed in this topic.

I now want you to leave this topic, or post with your main. Because your words means **** to us since your a dumb noob with no portrait.

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Originally by: Twilight Mourning

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Originally by: NightmareX

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All i'm seeing here is just a nubbing, a carebear who is to scared to post with his main (OMG it's to scary to post with my main). A stupid carebear who are to afraid to admit that this tactic is not supposed to work like it's been showed in this topic.

I now want you to leave this topic, or post with your main. Because your words means **** to us since your a dumb noob with no portrait.

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Because what you want means so much to me. You words hurt me deeply. I want to cry. Now please continue the whining. The tears of pirate whinage sustain carebears more than any mining/trading/building ever can!

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Because what you want means so much to me. You words hurt me deeply. I want to cry. Now please continue the whining. The tears of pirate whinage sustain carebears more than any mining/trading/building ever can!

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Originally by: Twilight Mourning

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Because what you want means so much to me. You words hurt me deeply. I want to cry. Now please continue the whining. The tears of pirate whinage sustain carebears more than any mining/trading/building ever can!

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Talk to the hand, cuz the face ain't listening.

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Originally by: marie blueprint

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lol you noob you have been given SEVERAL options on how to catch this raven.but all u want to do is whine cause u cant do i your way!!! lol adapt do the things sugested hell drop 50 small secur containers all over the jump in point = no cloak.there i gave you one for free. no one needs an 'i win' button.the raven can be caught your just doing it wrong.do it right or go play wow.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Edited by: Le Skunk on 10/02/2008 01:53:23
Edited by: Le Skunk on 10/02/2008 01:51:24

Originally by: marie blueprint

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lol you noob you have been given SEVERAL options on how to catch this raven.but all u want to do is whine cause u cant do i your way!!! lol adapt do the things sugested hell drop 50 small secur containers all over the jump in point = no cloak.there i gave you one for free. no one needs an 'i win' button.the raven can be caught your just doing it wrong.do it right or go play wow.

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Spaming cans all over the jump in point is clased as an exploit and is petitionable and so will not work.

Neither will any other the other suggestions given , for the reasons I gave immediatley after they were suggested.

Please take a deep breath and think before you post.

Just to clarify:

Spamming cans around gate
This is classed as an exploit by the GMS and therefor cannot be used

Fire Smartbombs to unclock the ship
Smartbmobs do not unloak ship so this will not work

Fast lock to prevent cloaking
We have tested this with a 6k scan res faction fit interceptor and you are unable to lock the ship before it cloaks, or indeed lock it as it unclocks and insta warps.

Use An interdictor stoopid
We are talking about low sec here, bubbles cannot be launched , or anchored in low sec

Use a fast moving inty to uncloak the ship
Now this one is theretically sound, but in practice is incredibly difficult to pull off. The combination of a delay in the ship approaching, the instant deceleration of your ship when you target cloaks as it cancels the approach, and the dipping of your ships noese due to the water like physics of eve space.

If you do, manage by fluke to uncloak the enemy ship. It dosent even help, as the ship will by now be up to insta warp speed anyway and can insta warp. You only save him having to deactivate his cloak himself. Your tacklers will have a small delay as the ship uncloaks where it will be 'invunerable'.

orbit the gate with 100 alts in shuttles
Whilst I realise the guy who suggested this was tongue in cheek.. Its pretty much the only way that would work reliably. What a farce.. and no doubt an exploit.

So CCP - Again I ask.. When you implemented the cloak into the game, was it designed to be used as a breaking device conjunction with the mwd to ramp up the warp threshold to allow the slowest ships in the game to avoid 15 man gate camps, with tackler with 6k scan res - or is this an unintened and borked mechanic.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Praxis1452

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you win eve

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Originally by: techzer0

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Skunk... dude... your name will be as infamous as Jonny Jojo if you keep up the responses to every other post

But a recloak timer for unbonused ships would be great (Not indys either, that'd be unfair )

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: techzer0

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Skunk... dude... your name will be as infamous as Jonny Jojo if you keep up the responses to every other post

But a recloak timer for unbonused ships would be great (Not indys either, that'd be unfair )

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An interesting idea - this would work fine, and is an example of anohter easy way ccp could fix this unintended usage of their cloak modules.

And yes I try to respond to people if they take the time to post and only ignore the very worst of trolls, who can sometimes have a glimmer of a point wrapped up in their portraitless rantings

SKUNK

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Originally by: Praxis1452

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you win eve

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Originally by: hedfunk

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You obviously just fail skunk.

Come to 0.0, this is where the real men are.

Oh, wait, we've done that, and it was fun. But it was easy. I honestly felt safer in 0.0 than in high sec. Intel channels tell you where enemies are 8jumps away.

Either way. OMFG FAIL.

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Originally by: marie blueprint

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Edited by: marie blueprint on 10/02/2008 04:47:01
sorry skunk there should be a way to escape gatekamps.

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Originally by: marie blueprint

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we are all alts. so bleah im almost a year old.
we tried this it worked like a charm.ishkur sits in the gate when the bs warps to zero and jups u jump in too hit the ab as soon as u come out launch 5 lt drones.our ishkur pilot bumped right into the bs.pow bye bye raven.

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Originally by: Twilight Mourning

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Even me, a super noob pirate, knows how to get this one taken care of. Since you are mister uber master pirate himself I will say this to you most humbly. Sir, if you drop a bubble when you see the gate activate, the ebil bear won't be able to warp after cloak. He can still then proceed to travel to the outset of the bubble but this will give you plenty of time to de-cloak him with your inty / dedicated tackler. Assign some drones to the tackler and you have an even better chance. Have the tackler drop a can near where he things the cloaked vessel is and have EVERYONE circle the can at different distances... even better! Can't drop a bubble because you are in low sec and not 0.0? Get a pair of balls and quit claiming to be a pirate. So I humbly hope this information has helped you in your cause of killing evil bears!

Twilight

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Originally by: NightmareX

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It's the carebears who need to adapt that you are most likely going to be killed if you jump into a 10 man gang in low sec WITHOUT a scout.

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Originally by: Brutoth Tain

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Originally by: NightmareX

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It's the carebears who need to adapt that you are most likely going to be killed if you jump into a 10 man gang in low sec WITHOUT a scout.

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Your crying about a tactic and your claiming yet again that these mythical "carebears" need to adapt.

The "carebears" have adapted and now have a way to evade your gate camp but you cant adapt so you expect CCP to change the rules for you so you don't need to adapt,

That's what makes you a noobie piebear.

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Originally by: NightmareX

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How many times have piracy been nerfed?, and how many times have carebears been crying on the forum and wanted a change? and what have happened?. Yes, CCP have listened to all of the crying carebears.

This time the carebears need to adapt. Simply because the Cloak wasn't putted into the game to be used as a cheat to get away from gate camps THAT easy.

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Originally by: Considered

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ah right so the most uber, all powerful hedfunk likes to keep the station within 0m for comfort does he?

Aww diddums, bless.

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Originally by: Considered

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OMFG FAIL....like you then hedfunk.

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Originally by: marie blueprint

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we are all alts. so bleah im almost a year old.
we tried this it worked like a charm.ishkur sits in the gate when the bs warps to zero and jups u jump in too hit the ab as soon as u come out launch 5 lt drones.our ishkur pilot bumped right into the bs.pow bye bye raven.

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Originally by: Adunh Slavy

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Anything that makes low sec gate camping less effective is good for low sec, and consequently good for pirates. So gate camps are less effective, but perhaps more people will go to low sec, more targets, just not at gates.

How can that be bad?

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Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I

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Something like resetting the speed to "highest cloaked speed value" when decloaking? Ie for a bomber, or BO it would mean a speed equal to or higher than uncloaked speed (which, i think, would still let them insta warp as intended) whereas with a raven it'd bring it to 10% of regular speed= it cant insta warp.

Something along those lines anyway, far too drastic to remove cloak + mwd imo compared to balance between gatecamps and giving solo players a chance to escape at least.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Adunh Slavy

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Anything that makes low sec gate camping less effective is good for low sec, and consequently good for pirates. So gate camps are less effective, but perhaps more people will go to low sec, more targets, just not at gates.

How can that be bad?

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People keep saying this. I really cannot understand it.

Where exaclt do you think these targets will be?

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Originally by: hedfunk

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Originally by: Considered

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ah right so the most uber, all powerful hedfunk likes to keep the station within 0m for comfort does he?

Aww diddums, bless.

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Originally by: Considered

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OMFG FAIL....like you then hedfunk.

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haha, wtf are you on about? Seriosuly, get a clue kiddo.

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Originally by: SirMoric

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I'm pretty impressed this thread is still alive, on the other hand I may just as well keep it alive.

As told numerous of times in the thread, we, the pirates, have our own, "stop'em"-ship, a heavy interdictor, a ship that was invented as a compromise to the capitals sitting on gates and being untouchable.

A heavy interdictor is kind of a compromise between what piratehunters/carebears/pirates wanted, someway of nailing the capitals in low-sec.

Now, is the heavy interdictor too strong a ship for low-sec? Well, if you get caught by one.... you won't leave it again, except in a pod or the sudden station-spawning that occurs right after you walk towards the light at the end of the tunnel.

The only way of getting past one of these, or our multiple friends waiting nearby, is the cloak-warp-trick, which I concur is a cheap shot. The other way is throwing a expendable alt through the gate to see what's on the other side. One way or another, we in the gatecamp won't get the "juicy" Raven.

If people know how to do the mwd-cloaky-thing, they also know of the alt-trick.

So, if the trick is removed, what can we give in return? A heavy interdictor that isn't as good against less than capital-sized ships?

Just a thought, cause the "trick" is faulty, but it's the only way they get pass us without filling our camps with noob-ships. Lets take some but also give some....

rgds

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Originally by: Stephannus Calimben

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.... but we've pretty much given up on catching them

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Originally by: Considered

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Originally by: hedfunk

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Originally by: Considered

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ah right so the most uber, all powerful hedfunk likes to keep the station within 0m for comfort does he?

Aww diddums, bless.

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Originally by: Considered

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OMFG FAIL....like you then hedfunk.

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haha, wtf are you on about? Seriosuly, get a clue kiddo.

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lol....it seems hedfunk , for all he talks about me having an obsession with him, likes to post back to me.

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Originally by: Bahubali

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Oh well, i can't think of any other reason this thread was made, but oh nooooes our gank camp couldn't uncloak a big bad raven and it warps off.
That's why the T1 cloak is given the penalty of reducing speed.
But i guess it only takes a whining post, bookmark it and keep posting in it to let it whine more like some of our posters i saw in this thread do who are on every page like they don't got any one to gank now lol and made their mission to whine more :P
This is all a big joke right??? to stroke your E-Peen cuz someone escaped your all mighty gate camp.
Seroiusly get a life...

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Originally by: Bahubali

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useless words

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Originally by: Stephannus Calimben

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<deleted text> you win some you lose some. so quit ******* crying already

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