Originally by: Dark Avatar

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Edited by: Dark Avatar on 09/02/2008 08:08:51

Originally by: Le Skunk

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If you had ever even attempted to come kill me in my smartbombing BS (which btw was incredibly easy to do.. I became so reckless I would pop badgers under the noses of POS guns with it) you might have a leg to stand on. As you didnt... well.

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Yes, we did actually, successfully putting a couple of points on you. But you still warped (!)

The second time, we came in even numbered battleships vs your corp but you remained in dock range, then proceeded to dock up as we landed although the numbers were 5v5.

Le Skunk, you are nothing special. Well you are a special case in a sense...

But this is de-railing this topic, so I will not endorse you with anymore flattery.

edit: After reading Nexia's post, I am just confirming I am no alt and I am a low sec pirate. I just completely disagree with Le Skunk on some of the issues he has raised.

I agree the issue does need to be addressed by ccp. But until then, rather than whine about it. Try to deal with it, come up with new tactics that doesn't involve sitting at 0 on a gate. - One mechanic that I believe is truly broken is the aggression timers (derail !?!), they should definately be extended by at least double.

D.A

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Originally by: Dark Avatar

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I agree the issue does need to be addressed by ccp. But until then, rather than whine about it - Try to deal with it

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One mechanic that I believe is truly broken is the aggression timers (derail !?!), they should definately be extended by at least double.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Edited by: Le Skunk on 09/02/2008 12:42:39
Edited by: Le Skunk on 09/02/2008 12:38:58

Originally by: Dark Avatar

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I agree the issue does need to be addressed by ccp. But until then, rather than whine about it - Try to deal with it

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Well seeing as you do not wish to derail the topic, then the only thing on topioc you have posted is this,

An agreement that the issue needs to be addressed by CCP - thanks
A lack of understanding that CCP respond (rightfully) to concerns on the forum, and indeed often reverse decisions made by petition (RE Imune Alliance nerfing).

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One mechanic that I believe is truly broken is the aggression timers (derail !?!), they should definately be extended by at least double.

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Most definatly so, but agression timers are not an abuse of game mechanics like the cloakmwd trick is. CCP made a conscious decision to set the agressio ntimer at a set amount of seconds. In no way did CCP put cloaks in the game to enable insta warping for Bs.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Twilight Mourning

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Edited by: Le Skunk on 09/02/2008 12:42:39
Edited by: Le Skunk on 09/02/2008 12:38:58

Originally by: Dark Avatar

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I agree the issue does need to be addressed by ccp. But until then, rather than whine about it - Try to deal with it

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Well seeing as you do not wish to derail the topic, then the only thing on topioc you have posted is this,

An agreement that the issue needs to be addressed by CCP - thanks
A lack of understanding that CCP respond (rightfully) to concerns on the forum, and indeed often reverse decisions made by petition (RE Imune Alliance nerfing).

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One mechanic that I believe is truly broken is the aggression timers (derail !?!), they should definately be extended by at least double.

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Most definatly so, but agression timers are not an abuse of game mechanics like the cloakmwd trick is. CCP made a conscious decision to set the agressio ntimer at a set amount of seconds. In no way did CCP put cloaks in the game to enable insta warping for Bs.

SKUNK

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I'm seeing lots of text but all I'm reading is "Whine, whine whine." Seeing all the pirate whinage alone makes it worth having this in game.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Im very sorry you want to pick a MULTIPLAYER game and 1 week into playing be the pwnerzor uyber warrior and massacre 100 man fleets in your noob ship.. but this aint the game for you sonny.
SKUNK

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: delta phi

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i love when pirates whine

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I love it when bears pheer my pvp skills so much they post with alts

SKUNK

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 09/02/2008 18:46:34
This is just crazy. LOL @ all of the noob carebear alts with no portraits that doesn't have the balls to post with your main, it's just ******* funny.

If you have had the balls to use your main, we would probably care about what you are saying.

And don't say that you guys without portrait is not alts, simply because if this is your main, then you don't know what your talking about because you haven't played EVE for a long time.

You are either a noob alt troll whiner or a new player without a portrait.

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Originally by: Brutoth Tain

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Edited by: Brutoth Tain on 09/02/2008 22:14:24

Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 09/02/2008 18:46:34
This is just crazy. LOL @ all of the noob carebear alts with no portraits that doesn't have the balls to post with your main, it's just ******* funny.

If you have had the balls to use your main, we would probably care about what you are saying.

And don't say that you guys without portrait is not alts, simply because if this is your main, then you don't know what your talking about because you haven't played EVE for a long time.

You are either a noob alt troll whiner or a new player without a portrait.

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1, Im not a Carebear in any iteration, version or alt,

2, attempting to claim anybody who doesn't agree with your opinions as a "carebear" is not the greatest sign of being anything other than an ignorant person who likes to define themselves as some kind of cool person and body who is not "cool" by not subscribing to their limited opinions is labeled as a "carebear"

3, your a noob who cannot adapt your tactics and methods and whines on the forums about it, please note that not being able to deal with any gaming situation at all times is not a sign of noobishness but whining about these situations in the hope that others will fix the situation for you is one of the most fundamental signs of noobishness

4, I feel no personal need to either justify my opinions or statements by the use of characters or the need to hide or cover up said opinions by using characters and I do not see forums as some kind of personalty contest and people either take what I post at face value and consider it or dismiss it, obviously you care deeply about "balls" and also E-peen and see the forums and internet as a extension of your IRL ego and personalty.

5, Perhaps you should consider leaving your corp and create a new one called "infinitus Odius" because you and your posting stink.

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Originally by: NightmareX

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All i'm seeing here is just a nubbing, a carebear who is to scared to post with his main (OMG it's to scary to post with my main). A stupid carebear who are to afraid to admit that this tactic is not supposed to work like it's been showed in this topic.

I now want you to leave this topic, or post with your main. Because your words means **** to us since your a dumb noob with no portrait.

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Originally by: Twilight Mourning

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Originally by: NightmareX

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All i'm seeing here is just a nubbing, a carebear who is to scared to post with his main (OMG it's to scary to post with my main). A stupid carebear who are to afraid to admit that this tactic is not supposed to work like it's been showed in this topic.

I now want you to leave this topic, or post with your main. Because your words means **** to us since your a dumb noob with no portrait.

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Because what you want means so much to me. You words hurt me deeply. I want to cry. Now please continue the whining. The tears of pirate whinage sustain carebears more than any mining/trading/building ever can!

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Because what you want means so much to me. You words hurt me deeply. I want to cry. Now please continue the whining. The tears of pirate whinage sustain carebears more than any mining/trading/building ever can!

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Originally by: Twilight Mourning

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Because what you want means so much to me. You words hurt me deeply. I want to cry. Now please continue the whining. The tears of pirate whinage sustain carebears more than any mining/trading/building ever can!

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Talk to the hand, cuz the face ain't listening.

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Originally by: marie blueprint

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lol you noob you have been given SEVERAL options on how to catch this raven.but all u want to do is whine cause u cant do i your way!!! lol adapt do the things sugested hell drop 50 small secur containers all over the jump in point = no cloak.there i gave you one for free. no one needs an 'i win' button.the raven can be caught your just doing it wrong.do it right or go play wow.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Edited by: Le Skunk on 10/02/2008 01:53:23
Edited by: Le Skunk on 10/02/2008 01:51:24

Originally by: marie blueprint

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lol you noob you have been given SEVERAL options on how to catch this raven.but all u want to do is whine cause u cant do i your way!!! lol adapt do the things sugested hell drop 50 small secur containers all over the jump in point = no cloak.there i gave you one for free. no one needs an 'i win' button.the raven can be caught your just doing it wrong.do it right or go play wow.

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Spaming cans all over the jump in point is clased as an exploit and is petitionable and so will not work.

Neither will any other the other suggestions given , for the reasons I gave immediatley after they were suggested.

Please take a deep breath and think before you post.

Just to clarify:

Spamming cans around gate
This is classed as an exploit by the GMS and therefor cannot be used

Fire Smartbombs to unclock the ship
Smartbmobs do not unloak ship so this will not work

Fast lock to prevent cloaking
We have tested this with a 6k scan res faction fit interceptor and you are unable to lock the ship before it cloaks, or indeed lock it as it unclocks and insta warps.

Use An interdictor stoopid
We are talking about low sec here, bubbles cannot be launched , or anchored in low sec

Use a fast moving inty to uncloak the ship
Now this one is theretically sound, but in practice is incredibly difficult to pull off. The combination of a delay in the ship approaching, the instant deceleration of your ship when you target cloaks as it cancels the approach, and the dipping of your ships noese due to the water like physics of eve space.

If you do, manage by fluke to uncloak the enemy ship. It dosent even help, as the ship will by now be up to insta warp speed anyway and can insta warp. You only save him having to deactivate his cloak himself. Your tacklers will have a small delay as the ship uncloaks where it will be 'invunerable'.

orbit the gate with 100 alts in shuttles
Whilst I realise the guy who suggested this was tongue in cheek.. Its pretty much the only way that would work reliably. What a farce.. and no doubt an exploit.

So CCP - Again I ask.. When you implemented the cloak into the game, was it designed to be used as a breaking device conjunction with the mwd to ramp up the warp threshold to allow the slowest ships in the game to avoid 15 man gate camps, with tackler with 6k scan res - or is this an unintened and borked mechanic.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Praxis1452

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you win eve

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Originally by: techzer0

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Skunk... dude... your name will be as infamous as Jonny Jojo if you keep up the responses to every other post

But a recloak timer for unbonused ships would be great (Not indys either, that'd be unfair )

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: techzer0

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Skunk... dude... your name will be as infamous as Jonny Jojo if you keep up the responses to every other post

But a recloak timer for unbonused ships would be great (Not indys either, that'd be unfair )

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An interesting idea - this would work fine, and is an example of anohter easy way ccp could fix this unintended usage of their cloak modules.

And yes I try to respond to people if they take the time to post and only ignore the very worst of trolls, who can sometimes have a glimmer of a point wrapped up in their portraitless rantings

SKUNK

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Originally by: Praxis1452

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you win eve

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Originally by: hedfunk

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You obviously just fail skunk.

Come to 0.0, this is where the real men are.

Oh, wait, we've done that, and it was fun. But it was easy. I honestly felt safer in 0.0 than in high sec. Intel channels tell you where enemies are 8jumps away.

Either way. OMFG FAIL.

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Originally by: marie blueprint

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Edited by: marie blueprint on 10/02/2008 04:47:01
sorry skunk there should be a way to escape gatekamps.

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Originally by: marie blueprint

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we are all alts. so bleah im almost a year old.
we tried this it worked like a charm.ishkur sits in the gate when the bs warps to zero and jups u jump in too hit the ab as soon as u come out launch 5 lt drones.our ishkur pilot bumped right into the bs.pow bye bye raven.

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Originally by: Twilight Mourning

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Even me, a super noob pirate, knows how to get this one taken care of. Since you are mister uber master pirate himself I will say this to you most humbly. Sir, if you drop a bubble when you see the gate activate, the ebil bear won't be able to warp after cloak. He can still then proceed to travel to the outset of the bubble but this will give you plenty of time to de-cloak him with your inty / dedicated tackler. Assign some drones to the tackler and you have an even better chance. Have the tackler drop a can near where he things the cloaked vessel is and have EVERYONE circle the can at different distances... even better! Can't drop a bubble because you are in low sec and not 0.0? Get a pair of balls and quit claiming to be a pirate. So I humbly hope this information has helped you in your cause of killing evil bears!

Twilight

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