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marie blueprint	Posted - 2008.02.08 05:25:00 - [91] hahahah im gonna buy a raven just to try it
Kessiaan	Posted - 2008.02.08 06:05:00 - [92] I can see pirates getting annoyed by an unbeatable cheese tactic, but there needs to be a travel fit that people can apply to their ships that has a reasonable chance of running most camps. Every time lowsec piracy gets a boost more and more people give up on lowsec and move back to highsec or out to 0.0 - in the end lowsec as a whole looses. So, while I agree that instawarping battleships is lame and should be fixed (though not in a way that nerfs blockade runners, but that's an entirely different story), the fact that this is happening at all is a symptom of a larger problem - that lowsec is broken. ----- My in Eve Profile My BattleClinic Page
Dark Avatar Caldari Ballistic Void	Posted - 2008.02.08 07:51:00 - [93] Originally by: Le Skunk I use a hyperion.. shows how long its been since I popped you. Check your KB, you never did pop me, I evaded you the times I scanned you at the gate. I still cant see how you can attribute skill to the way you operate. Skill is attributed to people who find solutions to problems. Such as catching cloaky mwding ravens. With regards the issue, yes it does seem like an exploit. Whining about it will not get it fixed. Addressing it properly via a bug report/petition or whatever will bring it to ccp's attention. In the meantime, I suggest you dont sit your bs/cmd ships at 0 on the gate. Get them all randomly at 14km away from a gate and then you might have more luck decloaking one before it has a chance to warp off. Yes, sadly this tactic will encourage you to grow some balls too. It is a lame tactic for carebears. Just as a smartbombing stabbed bs is a lame tactic for pirates. But in both lights, both parties obviously get off on their relevant 'intepretations' of the game mechanics. I have little respect for whiners, deal with it D.A For you, the day I rolled into your system and killed your ace pilots was a most memorable day. For me, it was Tuesday...
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.08 12:52:00 - [94] Edited by: Le Skunk on 08/02/2008 12:52:46 Originally by: Dark Avatar I still cant see how you can attribute skill to the way you operate. Skill is attributed to people who find solutions to problems. PROBLEM: The problem I had was interceptors and shuttles being invunerable using warp to zero in low sec. SOLUTION: The solution using a smartbomber to kill them on warp to zero. That seems to satisfy your criteia. Quote: With regards the issue, yes it does seem like an exploit. Whining about it will not get it fixed. Addressing it properly via a bug report/petition or whatever will bring it to ccp's attention. Well in a perfect world yes. CCP do take notice of the forums, as they are proud to admit, and recent 'issues' like the Imune alliance, which was pre-petitioned by the alliance founders and ruled ok.. but subsequently ruled an exploit beacuse of a froum thread.. suggest otherwise. Quote: It is a lame tactic for carebears. Just as a smartbombing stabbed bs is a lame tactic for pirates. If you had ever even attempted to come kill me in my smartbombing BS (which btw was incredibly easy to do.. I became so reckless I would pop badgers under the noses of POS guns with it) you might have a leg to stand on. As you didnt... well. SKUNK
Tal Nok Amarr DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.02.08 15:30:00 - [95] Originally by: DHB WildCat To Tal Noc and Skunk, 1. Have you ever heard of Burn Eden? 2. If so you know our largest gang is about 5. We rutinely engage heavily outnumbered against people flying ships that fight back. 3. Also if you think having a hyperion, mega, abbadon, and geddon on a gate at 0, all remote repping each other while trying to gank a single raven; is eve on hard mode..... Then you are honestly one of the worst pirates ever. Especially sense you cant catch that raven lol. Anyhow I will bow out here, but of you are so concerned about 0.0 then I suggest you run missions, because low sec seems a little hard for you lol. WildCat Yes I have, and we had great fun shooting your cloaking gangs up in the North last year (obviously, I'm an alt if no one has picked this up yet) however, this subject was not about you, or Burn Eden, or how your the only feeble minded person from your corp who makes lousy posts on the forum in orange. I simply was bored at work and decided to make fun of you, and it worked as I got a response :) I hope you feel bigger now that you have strutted your 5 man gang stuff. I don't care about hard mode, I don't care for 0.0, and I especially don't care what you think as the point of this topic still remains, mwd+cloak is a broken game mechanic that we are defending as broken. I'd like to see a video of you catching a perfected mwd+cloak ship cruiser or higher in low sec. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice. Originally by: hellsknights It's always nice to kill something you can't afford
Tal Nok Amarr DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.02.08 15:36:00 - [96] Originally by: Malcanis Calm down. Did I give an indication that I was not calm? Well, the truth is, you get me so excited being a SERIOUS player. Can I get a hug? I am interested on how my posts make me look like I'm a hardened criminal with a parole officer, should be a good conversation. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice. Originally by: hellsknights It's always nice to kill something you can't afford
Ceylana Zari	Posted - 2008.02.08 15:57:00 - [97] Originally by: Dark Avatar Originally by: Le Skunk I use a hyperion.. shows how long its been since I popped you. Check your KB, you never did pop me, I evaded you the times I scanned you at the gate. I still cant see how you can attribute skill to the way you operate. Skill is attributed to people who find solutions to problems. Such as catching cloaky mwding ravens. With regards the issue, yes it does seem like an exploit. Whining about it will not get it fixed. Addressing it properly via a bug report/petition or whatever will bring it to ccp's attention. In the meantime, I suggest you dont sit your bs/cmd ships at 0 on the gate. Get them all randomly at 14km away from a gate and then you might have more luck decloaking one before it has a chance to warp off. Yes, sadly this tactic will encourage you to grow some balls too. It is a lame tactic for carebears. Just as a smartbombing stabbed bs is a lame tactic for pirates. But in both lights, both parties obviously get off on their relevant 'intepretations' of the game mechanics. I have little respect for whiners, deal with it D.A If they sit on the gate then they won't be able to jump out if anything engages that that may be able to put up a fight. =p
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.08 16:16:00 - [98] Edited by: Le Skunk on 08/02/2008 16:16:58 Edited by: Le Skunk on 08/02/2008 16:16:24 Originally by: Ceylana Zari If they sit on the gate then they won't be able to jump out if anything engages that that may be able to put up a fight. =p On the rare occasionas people bring similar amounts of ships that can "fight back" we always engage. Its one of the main reasons for playing this game, for those rare moemnts. But this is going off topic. Topic is abuse of game mechanics using the cloak break/mwd trick SKUNK
MenanceWhite Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.08 16:34:00 - [99] Already mentioned - have something fast mwd towards the target. It's not that hard. I mean what, if ceptors are too expensive - then use a frig. T1 frig + 2nano + mwd, how expensive is that? --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Tal Nok Amarr DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.02.08 16:41:00 - [100] You obviously havn't read any of the posts. If you took the time to put effort into writing somthing you should at least take the time to read the posts before commenting on somthing that has already been disproven to actually work. Again, I ask to any of you to provide a video, otherwise stfu. Not sure how I can make it more simple than that. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice. Originally by: hellsknights It's always nice to kill something you can't afford
Khan Durian Amarr Lancea Sanctum	Posted - 2008.02.08 16:51:00 - [101] I use this technique whenever I need to get past a gate camp. I like the tactic since it gives me a chance to not get insta-popped by large groups. On rare ocassion there are groups of pirates that are skilled enough to catch me before I can get to warp. As rare as this is, it does happen. To be fair though I decided to petition a GM in game to find out what the ruling would be. According to GM Pontifex the mechanic is not considered an exploit and can be used without a problem. So untill that is changed I think any more complaining is beating the proverbial dead horse. I would quote the eve-mail but I believe that is against forum rules. So go ahead and petition in game but untill they change that ruling you may as well let it be. At this point it's just whining. Originally by: Graalum also its called a damage control. Not a suitcase.
Thak Navari Caldari Uneasy Corp Te-Ka	Posted - 2008.02.08 18:57:00 - [102] Youd think ppl would realize that if you dont post with your main, it isnt going to be read! In before the lock again!
NightmareX Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.02.08 20:32:00 - [103] Sorry guys, i have to agree with Le Skunk on this one. Those who doesn't see the whole thing in this seriously need to play EVE. All i see here is the bears that finally have found a way to evade gate camps, and are using the bugged game mechanic to get away, and then all will say yey, this is how it should be. Stupid noobs who don't know crap about EVE. CCP, fix my forum portrait FFS
Jezebel Leroux Gallente Creative Destruction	Posted - 2008.02.08 21:44:00 - [104] So this thread boils down to: - ganking should be unbeatable, except possibly by counter-gank of greater gankitude - 50m skillpoints should be unbeatable - two billion in fittings should be unbeatable And if you disagree with any of these points you are: - a noob - a troll - an alt - a ****ie head Yep, all the classic features of RPG PVP.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.08 21:59:00 - [105] Originally by: Jezebel Leroux So this thread boils down to: - ganking should be unbeatable, except possibly by counter-gank of greater gankitude - 50m skillpoints should be unbeatable - two billion in fittings should be unbeatable And if you disagree with any of these points you are: - a noob - a troll - an alt - a ****ie head Yep, all the classic features of RPG PVP. No. Its purely a thread about a borked gate mechanic, and the insta warping of what is supposed to be the slowest ship in the game. Its about a borked game mechanic.. that the speed needed to initatie warp does not alter as you hit the mwd and use the breaking effect of the cloak. Its about how you cant activate modules whilst you are cloaked, but due to an oversight, it allows you to benefit from the after effects of activating those modules. bloackade runners regualaly normally escaping a camp specifically set up to catch them is fair and balanced. Thats their role after all Lone, unscouted, combat fit battleships escaping these camps due to a borked game mechanic is not balanced. SKUNK
hedfunk Caldari Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.08 23:14:00 - [106] You obviously just fail skunk. Come to 0.0, this is where the real men are. Oh, wait, we've done that, and it was fun. But it was easy. I honestly felt safer in 0.0 than in high sec. Intel channels tell you where enemies are 8jumps away. Either way. OMFG FAIL.
Jezebel Leroux Gallente Creative Destruction	Posted - 2008.02.09 00:29:00 - [107] Originally by: Le Skunk No. (etc etc) I dunno, I thought you were loud and proud the first time: Originally by: Le Skunk So the solo, unscouted, 1 month old pirate in the slowest BS in the game with 1 million isk fittings "should get past more often then not" ten 50 mill skillpoint pirates with a synergy gang and 3 billion isk of ships and fittings?
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.09 00:33:00 - [108] Originally by: Jezebel Leroux Originally by: Le Skunk No. (etc etc) I dunno, I thought you were loud and proud the first time: Originally by: Le Skunk So the solo, unscouted, 1 month old pirate in the slowest BS in the game with 1 million isk fittings "should get past more often then not" ten 50 mill skillpoint pirates with a synergy gang and 3 billion isk of ships and fittings? I was trying to bring the thread back onto topic. If you asking me if i think numbers should count.. then yes If your asking me if i think skillpoints should count... then yes If your asking me if i think teamwork should count... then yes If your asking me if i think amount of isk you spend on your ships should count... then yes If you asking me if one of the slowest ships in the game should be able to spen 1 million isk to negate all the above... then no Hope that clears it up for you SKUNK
Jezebel Leroux Gallente Creative Destruction	Posted - 2008.02.09 00:41:00 - [109] I don't recall asking you any questons at all. Thanks for going out of your way to underline the aforementioned lameness just the same though.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.09 01:54:00 - [110] Originally by: Jezebel Leroux I don't recall asking you any questons at all. Thanks for going out of your way to underline the aforementioned lameness just the same though. Well refering to your first comment, no your not a troll if you diagree with me, but you are if you post drivel like you do. Seing as you like me clarifying things so much... i can confirm you are - a noob - a troll - an alt - a ****ie head SKUNK
Donna Maria Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.09 02:24:00 - [111] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Le Skunk 0.0 is playing eve on easy mode as far as im concerend. Its lazy, requires little skill other then sitting around a collosal bubble without sentry guns to worry about. Its full of self important alliance blowhards whittering on about 'their space'. Ive tried it, it was unchallenging. But whether im in 0.0 or timbucktoo, this mechanic is still broken. SKUNK And this is coming from a sucky wanna be low-sec Pirate that couldn't uncloak a Raven? Hahaha.. /Fail you do. Im the girl momma warned you about..
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.09 02:26:00 - [112] Edited by: Le Skunk on 09/02/2008 02:26:26 Edited by: Le Skunk on 09/02/2008 02:26:03 Originally by: Donna Maria Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Le Skunk 0.0 is playing eve on easy mode as far as im concerend. Its lazy, requires little skill other then sitting around a collosal bubble without sentry guns to worry about. Its full of self important alliance blowhards whittering on about 'their space'. Ive tried it, it was unchallenging. But whether im in 0.0 or timbucktoo, this mechanic is still broken. SKUNK And this is coming from a sucky wanna be low-sec Pirate that couldn't uncloak a Raven? Hahaha.. /Fail you do. Alt troll. Post with your main if you want to be listend to ... Also learn to use quote tags SKUNK
Donna Maria Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.09 02:26:00 - [113] Originally by: Dark Avatar In the meantime, I suggest you dont sit your bs/cmd ships at 0 on the gate. Get them all randomly at 14km away from a gate and then you might have more luck decloaking one before it has a chance to warp off. Yes, sadly this tactic will encourage you to grow some balls too. I have little respect for whiners, deal with it D.A Ya they sit at 0 because if a heavy hitter jumps through they can jump out like little baby wenches. Whine some more please I have a lot of cheese. Im the girl momma warned you about..
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.09 02:27:00 - [114] Edited by: Le Skunk on 09/02/2008 02:27:09 Originally by: Donna Maria Originally by: Dark Avatar In the meantime, I suggest you dont sit your bs/cmd ships at 0 on the gate. Get them all randomly at 14km away from a gate and then you might have more luck decloaking one before it has a chance to warp off. Yes, sadly this tactic will encourage you to grow some balls too. I have little respect for whiners, deal with it D.A Ya they sit at 0 because if a heavy hitter jumps through they can jump out like little baby wenches. Whine some more please I have a lot of cheese. I refer you to my previous post SKUNK
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.02.09 02:45:00 - [115] It would be nice if people left the whole carebear/pirate role out of things, as it really seems to cloud judgment. I don't think the OP or Le Skunk has whined in the thread. I read the "solutions" to the problem posted here and I don't think they are as viable. Keep in mind, this problem also negates the role of a tackler. If a faction fit/boosted Inty isn't able to lock a BS, that does seem kind of odd. I mean if you can master that technique then you're set in high sec or low sec. It sounds out of balance, but then again, I've never run into it, nor would I ever practice it. I am sure this will be like the nano-BS phase where everyone was doing it and CCCP will make a change to limit it to maybe working only some of the time. Just because you hate pirates or carebears doesn't mean this might not be an issue that needs looking into. I do find it odd though that most of the smack talkers seem to be alts on the side against the pirate guys. Go figure.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.09 02:47:00 - [116] Originally by: Nexa Necis It would be nice if people left the whole carebear/pirate role out of things, as it really seems to cloud judgment. I don't think the OP or Le Skunk has whined in the thread. I read the "solutions" to the problem posted here and I don't think they are as viable. Keep in mind, this problem also negates the role of a tackler. If a faction fit/boosted Inty isn't able to lock a BS, that does seem kind of odd. I mean if you can master that technique then you're set in high sec or low sec. It sounds out of balance, but then again, I've never run into it, nor would I ever practice it. I am sure this will be like the nano-BS phase where everyone was doing it and CCCP will make a change to limit it to maybe working only some of the time. Just because you hate pirates or carebears doesn't mean this might not be an issue that needs looking into. I do find it odd though that most of the smack talkers seem to be alts on the side against the pirate guys. Go figure. A sensible and well laid out post.. thanks SKUNK
NightmareX Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.02.09 04:02:00 - [117] I just tried this on sisi, and it works wonderfull. But one thing is for sure, THIS IS NOT RIGHT. Change this game mechanic ASAP CCP. CCP, fix my forum portrait FFS
Twilight Mourning	Posted - 2008.02.09 04:09:00 - [118] Originally by: NightmareX I just tried this on sisi, and it works wonderfull. But one thing is for sure, THIS IS NOT RIGHT. Change this game mechanic ASAP CCP. You people realy need to quit your whining just because people have a chance to get away from your gate camps. All you want is to be able to kill anything and everything that comes through. You want Eve on God mode. It's not going to happen. You want to be able to kill everything that comes through your gate? Learn to play the damn game.
NightmareX Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.02.09 04:52:00 - [119] Edited by: NightmareX on 09/02/2008 04:54:10 Originally by: Twilight Mourning Originally by: NightmareX I just tried this on sisi, and it works wonderfull. But one thing is for sure, THIS IS NOT RIGHT. Change this game mechanic ASAP CCP. You people realy need to quit your whining just because people have a chance to get away from your gate camps. All you want is to be able to kill anything and everything that comes through. You want Eve on God mode. It's not going to happen. You want to be able to kill everything that comes through your gate? Learn to play the damn game. Ok to make it clear. Just imagine i just jumped into a 10 man gang now, then i'm still cloaked. Then i find out oh wow, we have this little nice trick that make your bs warp in 1 sec. If you still don't get me why it's wrong, then just watch THIS clip i frapsed on sisi. Now there isn't any targets there, but just imagine there is, then your going to do this MWD and cloak trick. Then just watch what's happening. What you are seeing in the movieclip i made, IS THAT RIGHT? Now this topic is for 4 pages, and alot of the players knows about this, and MANY of them will abuse this thing. CCP, fix my forum portrait FFS
Dark Avatar Caldari Ballistic Void	Posted - 2008.02.09 07:56:00 - [120] Originally by: Le Skunk If you had ever even attempted to come kill me in my smartbombing BS (which btw was incredibly easy to do.. I became so reckless I would pop badgers under the noses of POS guns with it) you might have a leg to stand on. As you didnt... well. Yes, we did actually, successfully putting a couple of points on you. But you still warped (!) The second time, we came in even numbered battleships vs your corp but you remained in dock range, then proceeded to dock up as we landed although the numbers were 5v5. Le Skunk, you are nothing special. Well you are a special case in a sense... But this is de-railing this topic, so I will not endorse you with anymore flattery. D.A For you, the day I rolled into your system and killed your ace pilots was a most memorable day. For me, it was Tuesday...

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