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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.10.21 11:34:00 -
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Rocky Deadshot wrote:Look, I've used drone ships in lvl4s for a long time, and yes they are buggy and temperamental, but the issue is fairly minor if u assign your engage drones to a hotkey. Spam that about 100 times and they'll follow your commands. The only drones this wont work for is mining drones.
This is true, but do you think you should HAVE to spam it?
On second thought...
o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist..
KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Vaako Horizon
Casual Slackers
Daily Operations
5
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Posted - 2011.10.21 11:37:00 -
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And in terms of understanding... I understand your position, now understand ours...
We are paying for a service... which is operating at less then 100% ( thats for me as a drone user ) and has been ignored for far to long. I am desperate for some results and looking at CCP track records as of late...
Sure you have done well the last 2-3 weeks but we still have only seen words not actions( content ) |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
314
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Posted - 2011.10.21 12:09:00 -
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Vaako... lets give them little slack now... If drone fix is in the production pipeline now the goal has been reached. The assembly line is long and got many steps before final product hits tranq. If fix comes before xmas, they've done very decent work.
When you know that something is being done, the waiting isn't that bad.
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Vaako Horizon
Casual Slackers
Daily Operations
5
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Posted - 2011.10.21 13:24:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Vaako... lets give them little slack now... If drone fix is in the production pipeline now the goal has been reached. The assembly line is long and got many steps before final product hits tranq. If fix comes before xmas, they've done very decent work.
When you know that something is being done, the waiting isn't that bad.
I'll give it some slack once they confirm they have located the issue and will attempt a fix.
As it is atm we know Greyscale attempted once and failed and then nothing...
I am not saying I want a fix right this minute ( which I ofc want :D :D :D ) but I want to see they are trying even if it is "I tested this for 5min today and found nothing", it would show they are doing something other then just sitting there. ( which ofc they can do regardless as we cant confirm it either way :P ) |
Vaako Horizon
Casual Slackers
Daily Operations
5
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Posted - 2011.10.21 13:25:00 -
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day by day blogs ftw :D haha |
Bienator II
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.21 13:29:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Bienator II wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:
It might be that the player gives a command to the drones before the drones themselves can realize what just happened, and then their AI kicks in. As if the player gives a new command to the drone before the drone can check to see if its previous target is dead.
thats a much better way of describing: Bienator II wrote:@CCP Greyscale without knowing the code (obviously): this all sounds like a concurrency issue where the "receive player order" action isn't processed for all drones in a critical section. A race condition between game mechanics (agress next target) and the player action. :) Not exactly. Were it merely a "race", the player action would supercede the game mechanics. As it is, if the player action is made before the game action, it will get ignored. So basically if you want it to work without a hitch, you need to allow the game mechanics to win the race because you can never win it yourself.
so you are not aware of the full potential of this bug :) What happens is that a subset of drones decide to attack some other target driven by the AI where the remaining part follows your orders. Thats unpredictable and not focus fire.
in computer science terms a race condition produces unpredictable results. I can bet with you that what is happening is simply that the player action is applied while the AI is applying the AI action to one drone at a time. A critical section would force the "system" to apply all AI drone action at once. In this case ether the AI or the user would win dependent on who was faster but it would never end up dispatching the user action only for a subset of drones (or let the AI overwrite a subset of actions).
anyway i could be wrong but this would be the typical case for such kind of bugs.
now who should win?
the user, always. If she gives an order the AI should never overwrite the order.
its actually quite simple:
- drones fight target
- target dies
- AI picks next target
- user orders drones to engage other target
- ALL drones follow order, AI action is overwritten by user
You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
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CCP Affinity
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.21 13:34:00 -
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Vaako Horizon wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Vaako... lets give them little slack now... If drone fix is in the production pipeline now the goal has been reached. The assembly line is long and got many steps before final product hits tranq. If fix comes before xmas, they've done very decent work.
When you know that something is being done, the waiting isn't that bad. I'll give it some slack once they confirm they have located the issue and will attempt a fix. As it is atm we know Greyscale attempted once and failed and then nothing... I am not saying I want a fix right this minute ( which I ofc want :D :D :D ) but I want to see they are trying even if it is "I tested this for 5min today and found nothing", it would show they are doing something other then just sitting there. ( which ofc they can do regardless as we cant confirm it either way :P )
Greyscale is on my team :) We are working on it. The reason for his delayed communication, as he said above, was a conference in a different country. I am currently testing mining drones thoroughly and working with Greyscale and Frellicus to determine what is causing this. I cannot start giving day-by-day diaries of my exact testing but I will, as previously stated, keep this thread updated and keep checking it :)
CCP Affinity | Quality Assurance | Team BFF |
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Vaako Horizon
Casual Slackers
Daily Operations
5
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Posted - 2011.10.21 13:37:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:Vaako Horizon wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Vaako... lets give them little slack now... If drone fix is in the production pipeline now the goal has been reached. The assembly line is long and got many steps before final product hits tranq. If fix comes before xmas, they've done very decent work.
When you know that something is being done, the waiting isn't that bad. I'll give it some slack once they confirm they have located the issue and will attempt a fix. As it is atm we know Greyscale attempted once and failed and then nothing... I am not saying I want a fix right this minute ( which I ofc want :D :D :D ) but I want to see they are trying even if it is "I tested this for 5min today and found nothing", it would show they are doing something other then just sitting there. ( which ofc they can do regardless as we cant confirm it either way :P ) Greyscale is on my team :) We are working on it. The reason for his delayed communication, as he said above, was a conference in a different country. I am currently testing mining drones thoroughly and working with Greyscale and Frellicus to determine what is causing this. I cannot start giving day-by-day diaries of my exact testing but I will, as previously stated, keep this thread updated and keep checking it :)
See... was that so hard? now keep em coming... |
Vaako Horizon
Casual Slackers
Daily Operations
5
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Posted - 2011.10.21 13:38:00 -
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oh wait, was that a confirmation that you actually encountered the issues? |
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CCP Affinity
C C P
C C P Alliance
13
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Posted - 2011.10.21 13:50:00 -
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Vaako Horizon wrote:oh wait, was that a confirmation that you actually encountered the issues?
Yes :)
CCP Affinity | Quality Assurance | Team BFF |
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Simvastatin Montelukast
SACHEN.
Mean Coalition
3
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Posted - 2011.10.21 14:00:00 -
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Oh noes!
I may have to actually buy some drones if you fix the problem. |
Vaako Horizon
Casual Slackers
Daily Operations
5
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Posted - 2011.10.21 14:18:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:Vaako Horizon wrote:oh wait, was that a confirmation that you actually encountered the issues? Yes :)
And that boys and girls is FACT!! ( and the end of my complaints? )
It now seems its a matter of time, which I am fine with.. ( faster is better pretty please :D :D :D )
OMG, I actually had to "like" his post :D ( my first "like" to someone :D ) |
Vaako Horizon
Casual Slackers
Daily Operations
5
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Posted - 2011.10.21 14:31:00 -
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A request to CCP Affinity, add these issues to the "known issues" section, will hopefully help avoid additional threads about it :P |
Mr Hellcat
Apocryphal Solutions
0
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:31:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:Vaako Horizon wrote:oh wait, was that a confirmation that you actually encountered the issues? Yes :)
When you actually discover the problem could you gives us a run down as to why it was happening? I am just curious if my observations are correct or if I was just out in left field somewhere.
Thanks! |
Svaste
The Scope
Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:30:00 -
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I have faith that CCP Affinity is on the case and will solve the issue.
I want to thank everyone who read and posted in this thread and the threads on the old forums. I am especially greatful for the videos and those who took the time to spell out how to reproduce the error and filed bug reports.
As I understand it Affinity has confirmed this is not a stealth nerf functioning as intended and has been reproduced on CCP's end to confirm.
IMO Affinity is delivering on the promise in Hilmar's recent letter.
Thank you all. |
Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2011.10.21 23:45:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:Vaako Horizon wrote:oh wait, was that a confirmation that you actually encountered the issues? Yes :)
Much appreciated, keep us posted if you can! |
Vaako Horizon
Casual Slackers
Daily Operations
5
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Posted - 2011.10.22 07:30:00 -
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Mr Hellcat wrote:CCP Affinity wrote:Vaako Horizon wrote:oh wait, was that a confirmation that you actually encountered the issues? Yes :) When you actually discover the problem could you gives us a run down as to why it was happening? I am just curious if my observations are correct or if I was just out in left field somewhere. Thanks!
I also would like to know why/how it happens :D |
Vaako Horizon
Casual Slackers
Daily Operations
5
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Posted - 2011.10.22 07:33:00 -
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Svaste wrote:I have faith that CCP Affinity is on the case and will solve the issue.
I want to thank everyone who read and posted in this thread and the threads on the old forums. I am especially greatful for the videos and those who took the time to spell out how to reproduce the error and filed bug reports.
As I understand it Affinity has confirmed this is not a stealth nerf functioning as intended and has been reproduced on CCP's end to confirm.
IMO Affinity is delivering on the promise in Hilmar's recent letter.
Thank you all.
No stealth nerf = check
Reproduced = check
Which is GREAT... only thing that is sad is that it had to take several months to get to those 2 answers :P
Other then that, GO GO GO CCP Affinity :D :D :D |
Svaste
The Scope
Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.10.24 16:37:00 -
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Quote:Build 304168 to 306979 addresses Patch notes for Incarna 1.1.3
To be released Tuesday, October 25, 2011.
Sadly, the patch notes do not mention drones at all.
http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange
Fatal Ascension
167
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Posted - 2011.10.24 16:42:00 -
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Are you aware of how long the development cycle of even bug fixes in eve? 
I'll be happy if its in the winter expansion 
o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist..
KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
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Vaako Horizon
Casual Slackers
Daily Operations
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Posted - 2011.10.24 17:28:00 -
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I fully expect it to be ignored/forgotten... mostly because I have yet to see CCP deliver on their words... ( and ofc that I am a little negative in general :D, better to expect nothing and be happy when you get something then expect something and never get it )
Its 3 days since CCP's confirmation about these issues and not a single word from Affinity, Greyscale or Frellicus.
And even if they resolv the issues that patch itself will most likely not be released until something else is.
Despite that these fixes should have been out long ago :P |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
330
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:52:00 -
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Vaako Horizon wrote:I fully expect it to be ignored/forgotten... mostly because I have yet to see CCP deliver on their words... ( and ofc that I am a little negative in general :D, better to expect nothing and be happy when you get something then expect something and never get it ) Its 3 days since CCP's confirmation about these issues and not a single word from Affinity, Greyscale or Frellicus. And even if they resolv the issues that patch itself will most likely not be released until something else is. Despite that these fixes should have been out long ago :P Its "nice" to see them fix the overview issues so fast when the drones issues are just as big but way WAY down the list :P
They are just humans, not robots. 3 days is nothing. I would start getting worried after 3 months. Relax and chill already.
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CCP Affinity
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.25 10:34:00 -
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We are still working on this :) We have uncovered an issue, as I mentioned, it is not by design.. but it's going to take more than 3 days to fix and deploy this :)
CCP Affinity | Quality Assurance | Team BFF |
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CCP Affinity
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:09:00 -
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Vaako Horizon wrote:I fully expect it to be ignored/forgotten... mostly because I have yet to see CCP deliver on their words... ( and ofc that I am a little negative in general :D, better to expect nothing and be happy when you get something then expect something and never get it ) Its 3 days since CCP's confirmation about these issues and not a single word from Affinity, Greyscale or Frellicus. And even if they resolv the issues that patch itself will most likely not be released until something else is. Despite that these fixes should have been out long ago :P Its "nice" to see them fix the overview issues so fast when the drones issues are just as big but way WAY down the list :P
We (BFF) are working on this and we are hoping to get the fix out in the winter expansion. Please note, we cannot 100% guarantee this, but it is our current goal. I will keep you updated when there's any progress or when new discoveries are made.
CCP Affinity | Quality Assurance | Team BFF |
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ISquishWorms
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:21:00 -
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Sounds to me like this bug does not have an easy fix and it will take a little time to work on. I wonder what is causing it. |
Vaako Horizon
Casual Slackers
Daily Operations
7
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:46:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Vaako Horizon wrote:I fully expect it to be ignored/forgotten... mostly because I have yet to see CCP deliver on their words... ( and ofc that I am a little negative in general :D, better to expect nothing and be happy when you get something then expect something and never get it ) Its 3 days since CCP's confirmation about these issues and not a single word from Affinity, Greyscale or Frellicus. And even if they resolv the issues that patch itself will most likely not be released until something else is. Despite that these fixes should have been out long ago :P Its "nice" to see them fix the overview issues so fast when the drones issues are just as big but way WAY down the list :P They are just humans, not robots. 3 days is nothing. I would start getting worried after 3 months. Relax and chill already.
Its been 3 months since it was reported, might be even more...
Also, hehe, I am a bit negative which I have said already :P mainly continuing to post here to keep it bumped :D and thus in the spotlight. |
Vaako Horizon
Casual Slackers
Daily Operations
7
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:56:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:Vaako Horizon wrote:I fully expect it to be ignored/forgotten... mostly because I have yet to see CCP deliver on their words... ( and ofc that I am a little negative in general :D, better to expect nothing and be happy when you get something then expect something and never get it ) Its 3 days since CCP's confirmation about these issues and not a single word from Affinity, Greyscale or Frellicus. And even if they resolv the issues that patch itself will most likely not be released until something else is. Despite that these fixes should have been out long ago :P Its "nice" to see them fix the overview issues so fast when the drones issues are just as big but way WAY down the list :P We (BFF) are working on this and we are hoping to get the fix out in the winter expansion. Please note, we cannot 100% guarantee this, but it is our current goal. I will keep you updated when there's any progress or when new discoveries are made.
I do understand that it does not take 3 days and ofc you cant guarantee it 100% that it will be in the winter expansion.
my point is this, these drones issues are just as gamebreaking as that overview issue fixed today but the overview was a VERY fast solv while the drones have been ignored and thus once a fix has been found it should be released at that point.
And if its before the winter expansion so be it...
Dont get me wrong, I love the fact that you keep an eye on this thread and that you, in what seems to be strong contrast to other CCP'ers, actually are able to confirm stuff. I like it :D
For an extended period I've considered going gunnery instead of drones just because they work as intended :D
if a drones fix takes to long I wanna know it so I can change to gunnery already :P sadly the majority of my skills are in drones :P |
Lord Okinaba
Zandathorn Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.25 13:01:00 -
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If drones aren't fixed in time for the Winter update then you clearly don't have your priorities in order. Drones have been broke for far too long. They are one of, if not THE most used weapon system in the game and they've been broke for going on 5 months now, heck, it's took you that long to acknowledge there was a problem. The least you can do now that you have recreated and identified the problem is make it one of your top priorities to fix it.
You may aswell hold production on those EWAR drones until this issue is fixed at least. Gonna be a waste of friggin time otherwise!
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CCP Diagoras
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.25 14:22:00 -
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Come on guys, be nice to Affinity. You're making her bitter and angry! She's just trying to help 
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.10.25 14:24:00 -
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CCP Diagoras wrote:Come on guys, be nice to Affinity. You're making her bitter and angry! She's just trying to help
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