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Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:05:00 - [31] Edited by: Lirt on 04/03/2008 17:06:33 Edited by: Lirt on 04/03/2008 17:06:16 Quote: they wine when they get the boost torp, they wine when they get the ecm buff, etc. and now this. Did you see me whine about torpedo buff? All players playing a race whine about something they find unfair. Zeba: You get a damage bonus!! about what velocity bonus you talking about... Xennith: Then every race should be pick ONE damage...why only caldari had to pick??? -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
Hey You Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:06:00 - [32] Originally by: The Herrick Originally by: Lirt Edited by: Lirt on 04/03/2008 16:51:05 I am not discussing if kinetic is good damage! I really don't see what the issue is here. I do. Its clueless op among few other things related to him. __________________________________ We Ride Together We Die Together We Few, We Happy Few...
MassonA Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:06:00 - [33] Just because you've been given a kinetic bonus doesn't mean you MUST use kinetic missiles.
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:07:00 - [34] It's only kinetic because you use missiles, and you typically just load 1 missile type in all launchers. What would you prefer? A ship bonus of 10% Kinetic missile damage, or Ship bonus of 5% Kinetic and 5% Thermal? They can nerf it for you, no problem. Then even if you load half your launchers with Kinetic and half with Thermal, you still get a 5% bonus to all launchers, so it's still a nerf compared to loading all Kinetic and getting 10% bonus to all launchers. As far as your enemies fitting to resist kinetic vs. fitting to resist kinetic + thermal, the latter is easily achievable by switching one resist module to thermal and using the armor's built in resistances. Your 5% loss of DPS will be MORE than the effect of your enemies having to switch ONE resist module over to Thermal.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:07:00 - [35] Originally by: Lirt Quote: they wine when they get the boost torp, they wine when they get the ecm buff, etc. and now this. Did you see me whine about torpedo buff? All players playing a race whine about something they find unfair. Zeba: You get a damage bonus!! about what velocity bonus you talking about... On the Raven. Nasta changed his post right before I quoted it. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:08:00 - [36] Quote: I do. Its clueless op among few other things related to him. Explain or crawl. Masaona: i wont say it again sry, read previous posts. -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:10:00 - [37] ok. this is devolving into Lirt just arguing against everyones logic so I leave the thread to the cleanup crew. Have fun with him guys. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Zantrei Kordisin True Centii	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:11:00 - [38] Dear Lirt, You are wrong. Yours, Zantrei
MassonA Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:11:00 - [39] Originally by: Lirt Quote: I do. Its clueless op among few other things related to him. Explain or crawl. Masaona: i wont say it again sry, read previous posts. Nah, go on, say it again.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:11:00 - [40] Originally by: Lirt Xennith: Then every race should be pick ONE damage...why only caldari had to pick??? amarr use lasers and do mostly ____ damage. galente use hybrids and do a lot of ____ damage. minnies use projectiles and do a lot of ____ damage. caldari use missiles and can do any damage type easily. fill in the blanks, then hopefully understanding will dawn. We come for our people
Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:12:00 - [41] Quote: What would you prefer? A ship bonus of 10% Kinetic missile damage, or Ship bonus of 5% Kinetic and 5% Thermal? They can nerf it for you, no problem. Only Crow gets 10%, so about the Crow im talking about 10% kinetic or thermal, so you can choose... or put both. -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
Hey You Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:12:00 - [42] Originally by: Lirt Quote: I do. Its clueless op among few other things related to him. Explain or crawl. Masaona: i wont say it again sry, read previous posts. Do i really have to explain it to you? To draw it on drawing board? Dude ok here it goes. A long winded explanation that will, hopefully, sort all your issues. Kinetic don't work for you? Load Thermal. It don't work? Load explosive. Sh*t hes tanked on that as well? Load EM. Nothing works? Maybe its time for Kitty Online... __________________________________ We Ride Together We Die Together We Few, We Happy Few...
Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:13:00 - [43] Originally by: Xennith amarr use lasers and do mostly ____ damage. galente use hybrids and do a lot of ____ damage. minnies use projectiles and do a lot of ____ damage. caldari use missiles and can do any damage type easily. fill in the blanks, then hopefully understanding will dawn. key words, mostly, a lot of, a lot of, i an a lot of keyword for caldari too. -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:16:00 - [44] Edited by: Lirt on 04/03/2008 17:16:00 Quote: Kinetic don't work for you? Load Thermal. It don't work? Load explosive. Sh*t hes tanked on that as well? Load EM. Nothing works? Maybe its time for Kitty Online... While all you others get bonus to 2 damage types so you have 50% for your ammo to work, i have 25% chance and when i change from kinetic i lose my damage bonus, so its effectively same as if i had kinetic and maybe worse... Yea so fair!... -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:17:00 - [45] oh dear. ok lirt, heres the deal. crosstrain gallente. they have lots of drone ships and you can have drones to do any damage type. they are clearly superiour. right? now if you'll excuse me, i have a rokh to fly. We come for our people
Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:18:00 - [46] Yea with the huge drone bay that caldari ships have. 0 lool -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:18:00 - [47] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Caldari ships absolutely never used in PvP, that are completely no good for anything: Rokh Scorpion Eagle Blackbird Crow Kitsune Drake Flycatcher Falcon Rook Onyx Leviathan - Hi Oort waves Yep, all totally and utterly useless in PvP. Uff just cause you **** me off with your copy paste from all comments: good for anything: Rokh - People prefer Megas still Scorpion - a well fitted cruiser can tank this Eagle - umm.. unless in packs, i don't know why you listed this, deimos will kill it ANY day Blackbird - best feature - disposable.. you can guess why Crow - best feature misile usage, thus able to deal damage while fast, so? web it and it dies horribly Kitsune - lol Drake - tank? Flycatcher - same as in other races Falcon - uuu uuuu i can hide.. and then jam maybe.. uuuu Rook - look at me, i have all my mid and my low slots dedicated to ECM.. oops missed a cycle and eat a few i mean 1., 2.. salvos.. uuughhh aaahhh.. Onyx - same as in other races Leviathan - Hi Oort waves - yeah as if every pilot flies one, and is SO much better than other races? so just because Goons spam with cheap disposable ships doesn't mean they are really that good. Now if you have to be honest with yourself, list the USEFUL ships for each race, i bet the list will be longer, don't you think so? Be objective when you post, every one can pull something out of their 3 letters to make a false point just as you are doing in your post...
Zantrei Kordisin True Centii	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:19:00 - [48] Originally by: Lirt Edited by: Lirt on 04/03/2008 17:16:00 Quote: Kinetic don't work for you? Load Thermal. It don't work? Load explosive. Sh*t hes tanked on that as well? Load EM. Nothing works? Maybe its time for Kitty Online... While all you others get bonus to 2 damage types so you have 50% for your ammo to work, i have 25% chance and when i change from kinetic i lose my damage bonus, so its effectively same as if i had kinetic and maybe worse... Yea so fair!... Wait, what? Other races have damage bonuses to multiple damage types when using missiles? Explain.
Agil TradeAlt	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:19:00 - [49] I dont see him asking for amarr purifyer 10% em bonus to be changed? Originally by: CCP kieron ISK buying is a major contributor to the inflation in EVE's economy.
Glassbil	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:20:00 - [50] Originally by: Lirt Edited by: Lirt on 04/03/2008 Xennith: Then every race should be pick ONE damage...why only caldari had to pick??? Ok, Lets see here, Amarr do EM/Thermal Damage ONLY, Lasers CAN'T do any other damage type. Gallente do Kinetic and Thermal Damage ONLY, Blasters CAN'T do any other damage type. Minmatar Can choose a bit more, But are still limited to two damage types at a time unless they want to have guns with different optimals. Caldari do primarily Kinetic damage but CAN choose ANY other damage type if they want to. Soo... Ok, Lets give Caldari an added bonus of 10% to thermal, But not until the other races can do any damage type they want to deal without taking any other hit than losing the damage bonus to their primary dmg type. That's fair, Right?
Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:21:00 - [51] Originally by: Zantrei Kordisin Wait, what? Other races have damage bonuses to multiple damage types when using missiles? Explain. Already mentioned the Sacrilege and maybe there are more. -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
Hey You Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:21:00 - [52] Originally by: Lirt Edited by: Lirt on 04/03/2008 17:16:00 Quote: Kinetic don't work for you? Load Thermal. It don't work? Load explosive. Sh*t hes tanked on that as well? Load EM. Nothing works? Maybe its time for Kitty Online... While all you others get bonus to 2 damage types so you have 50% for your ammo to work, i have 25% chance and when i change from kinetic i lose my damage bonus, so its effectively same as if i had kinetic and maybe worse... Yea so fair!... Totally wrong. You are assuming that all ships are tanked up 70 + % on all resists. If they are your argument would be correct. Well in reality they aren't and out of 4 Damage types you can do at least one will be a lot higher then if he is tanked on kinetic. What should i say then? I can do only EM and Thermal. Fine. Shield tankers tanks EM up good. Also they tank Thermal up good. Armor tankers tanks Thermal up and have EM tanked up as it is. People who are using Invuls and EANMs gives me some good chance vs shield and none vs armor. While you just fire all 4 types first shot. See which one does most dmg and then go for it in all launchers. Voila. __________________________________ We Ride Together We Die Together We Few, We Happy Few...
Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:22:00 - [53] Quote: Caldari do primarily Kinetic damage but CAN choose ANY other damage type if they want to. And lose the damage bonus so you effetcively do same or worse damage. Its been tested! Yea a smart choice indeed. -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:24:00 - [54] Quote: See which one does most dmg and then go for it in all launchers. Voila. Yea a smart choice indeed, in the middle of the battle you go check the combat log, stop firing, reloading and start again. Yea what a nice strategy. Also ok i agree Amarr HAD problems, but they getting buffed now. -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:33:00 - [55] Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: Lirt Not THAT good. Especially with all those armor tankers around. You mean the same armor tanks which stack EANM's resulting in kinetic damage being the second best damage type to use? Kinetic is generally a good damage type. It is good against armor and decent enough against shields, meaning that for the vast majority of targets you won't have to change your damage type due to the kinetic bonus. If there's a damage type you should be complaining about being ineffective, it's EM, which armor is extremely resistant to due to EANM's, and which shield tankers usually cover with at least a photon scattering field. Well Caldari ships aren't exactly tanking EM well are they.. if you want to get technical. Kinetic might be fine against armor, but not Gallente Armor. Btw, just because explosive is week against shields, doesn't mean it's weak against well tanked shields, get my idea? If you don't I mean that a person with a good shield tank would probably have better resists on their Thermal than their Explosive.. so goes for Armor and EM.. Minmatar is a specific case against Amarr, just as Gallente is better for tanking Thermal on armor.. i gon't get your point...
Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:34:00 - [56] Anarchyyt: you can say all you guys want, but you still didnt say me a good valid reason why caldari gets only kinetic bonus. Al you say is adapt or play kitty online. Well i already adapted this unfair situation cause im caldari, but i think its time balance it. -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:35:00 - [57] Originally by: Xennith Originally by: Lirt Here we go again... And nullify the damage bonus i get after days of training??!! remind me, which caldari ships have a bonus to only kinetic damage? caracal, drake, raven, kestral and erm... crow right? why not try flying something else, the scorpion is made of crystalised win for example. AAahahahahhahahhahahhahaaahahahahhahahhahahhahahahhahahhahah hahahhahahahhahah ahaha hahaha hahahh ... i'm breathless now.. aahahahh hahahhah hahahhh
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:37:00 - [58] Originally by: Black Scorpio AAahahahahhahahhahahhahaaahahahahhahahhahahhahahahhahahhahah hahahhahahahhahah ahaha hahaha hahahh ... i'm breathless now.. aahahahh hahahhah hahahhh not a fan of ewar? We come for our people
Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:37:00 - [59] Edited by: Lirt on 04/03/2008 17:40:02 Quote: -Leviathan - 37.5% shield HP bonus, only titan that can do a large amount of damage with normal weapons (7 citadel launchers = melts battleships), best damage type for doomsday. Now that you mention shield bonus, why shield when it gets bonus doesn't regenerate automatically? Yea and the recharge rate of the shield swhen they are almost full (like when receiving shield bonus) is so high... But nevermind thats another issue.. Also all you mention in your post is that caldari has absurb tanking abilities, although that i dont agree cause armor tanking is better but nvm. The only damage ship you mention is cerberus and that it wipes out smaller ships.. well lol yea what about other hacs. Its not like if caldari gets another damage bonus they gonna pwn anyway but it gives you more versatillity... liek the other races. -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
Glassbil	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:38:00 - [60] Originally by: Lirt Quote: Caldari do primarily Kinetic damage but CAN choose ANY other damage type if they want to. And lose the damage bonus so you effetcively do same or worse damage. Its been tested! Yea a smart choice indeed. Maybe you should try to adress my entire post instead of just one line? That said, Yes, You lose the dmg bonus... But you know what? People don't have the same % on all resists, GASP, Shocking, i know. If you're to dense to see that the ability to reliably deal any dmg type at any range, Then people are right, You're clueless. And about your comment about it not being smart to stop shooting and change ammo in a fight.... umm.. right, yeah, that proves it, you're clueless and there's no point arguing with you.

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