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Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:28:00 - [1] Edited by: Lirt on 04/03/2008 16:29:54 Edited by: Lirt on 04/03/2008 16:28:46 Amarr damage bonus------------EM/Thermal Gallente damage bonus---------Thermal/Kinetic Minmatar damage bonus---------All Caldari damage bonus----------Kinetic ONLY Wtf? why such an imbalance issue keeps existing? And dont tell me "you cant change damage type" cause i will laugh till tomorrow. Thats the damage type i take bonus, why in the EVE god's name should i change damage type? to get pwned?... Like caldari are not already the worst race for pvp and fleets... CCP give caldari some love!!! Make it Kinetic/Explosive -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:30:00 - [2] Caldari ships absolutely never used in PvP, that are completely no good for anything: Rokh Scorpion Eagle Blackbird Crow Kitsune Drake Flycatcher Falcon Rook Onyx Leviathan - Hi Oort waves Yep, all totally and utterly useless in PvP. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:34:00 - [3] Edited by: Lirt on 04/03/2008 16:40:03 Edited by: Lirt on 04/03/2008 16:34:38 Rokh-----------------------not missile ship, we talking about missiles Scorpion-------------------jammer not damage Eagle----------------------not missile ship, we talking about missiles Blackbird------------------jammer not damage Crow-----------------------Kinetic only damage bonus, problem im takling about Kitsune--------------------jammer not damage Drake----------------------Kinetic only damage bonus, problem im takling about Flycatcher-----------------All dictors are same, no reason to prefer flycatcher Falcon---------------------jammer not damage Rook-----------------------jammer not damage, also Kinetic only damage Onyx-----------------------All HICs are same no reason to prefer Onyx Leviathan - Hi Oort waves---All titans same no reason to prefer Leviathan -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:34:00 - [4] I think the op mistakenly thought that the Raven was the only Caldari ship. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:35:00 - [5] Raven doesn't get Kinetic only damage. Raven is fine. -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:39:00 - [6] Kinetic is a good damagetype to be honest. -- Billion Isk Mission
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:40:00 - [7] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 04/03/2008 16:40:35 Originally by: Lirt Flycatcher-----------------All dictors are same, no reason to prefer flycatcher Onyx-----------------------All HICs are same no reason to prefer Onyx Leviathan - Hi Oort waves---All titans same no reason to prefer Leviathan This three are sooo incredibly wrong that it makes your whole post entirely laughable and proves you have very little idea of what you're talking about. Also, the Crow is by far the most dangerous interceptor as it is the only one that can really engage and do damage at 30km+ Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:41:00 - [8] Not THAT good. Especially with all those armor tankers around. -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:43:00 - [9] Edited by: Lirt on 04/03/2008 16:46:12 Edited by: Lirt on 04/03/2008 16:43:23 Originally by: An Anarchyyt Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 04/03/2008 16:40:35 Flycatcher-----------------All dictors are same, no reason to prefer flycatcher Onyx-----------------------All HICs are same no reason to prefer Onyx Leviathan - Hi Oort waves---All titans same no reason to prefer Leviathan Flycatcher---Sabre is best dictor not flycatcher. Onyx---is good ok but Broadsword is best, also im talking about Kinetic damage type!! Leviathan---ok Kinetic damage but again not the best, Ragnarok is best. And dont tell me about the titan that only 5 ppl have in the entire eve!! -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:43:00 - [10] Originally by: Lord WarATron Kinetic is a good damagetype to be honest. Indeed. It could be much worse. You could be stuck with EM like Amarr. Shields down! oh wait.. did we just hit a brick wall? --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:45:00 - [11] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Lord WarATron Kinetic is a good damagetype to be honest. Indeed. It could be much worse. You could be stuck with EM like Amarr. Shields down! oh wait.. did we just hit a brick wall? You getting boosted next patch, why you whine?, you want more?! Also you do thermal too not only EM, not that good in thermal but you still also do thermal. Caldari are stuck with kinetic ONLY! -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:46:00 - [12] It doesn't say you can ONLY use that damage type though. Didn't you ever play poker? ---- Anything less is wasted effort
Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:47:00 - [13] Edited by: Lirt on 04/03/2008 16:48:00 Yea i can play with explosive for example and nullify the damage bonus!!! (the bonus that i get after days of training) Yea smart choice. ROFL... -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Lirt Not THAT good. Especially with all those armor tankers around. You mean the same armor tanks which stack EANM's resulting in kinetic damage being the second best damage type to use? Kinetic is generally a good damage type. It is good against armor and decent enough against shields, meaning that for the vast majority of targets you won't have to change your damage type due to the kinetic bonus. If there's a damage type you should be complaining about being ineffective, it's EM, which armor is extremely resistant to due to EANM's, and which shield tankers usually cover with at least a photon scattering field. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:49:00 - [15] Originally by: Lirt Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Lord WarATron Kinetic is a good damagetype to be honest. Indeed. It could be much worse. You could be stuck with EM like Amarr. Shields down! oh wait.. did we just hit a brick wall? You getting boosted next patch, why you whine?, you want more?! Also you do thermal too not only EM, not that good in thermal but you still also do thermal. Caldari are stuck with kinetic ONLY! Whining? I think Amarr overall are just fine. Have three combat alts that are all Amarr speced with each alt also specing in one of the other three races. Sure the Amarr BS have some fitting and cap issues but like you said its gonna get fixed. And last time I checked you can load any damage type of missile into a caldari ships launcher. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:50:00 - [16] Edited by: Lirt on 04/03/2008 16:51:05 I am not discussing if kinetic is good damage! I am discussing why ONLY kinetic? You know thermal is good damage also then why gellente have kinetic also? Same goes for minmatar and same goes now for amarr that get boosted. Not to mention another shield (caldari) nerf resulting that amarr boost. Quote: And last time I checked you can load any damage type of missile into a caldari ships launcher. Here we go again... And nullify the damage bonus i get after days of training??!! -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
Destoration	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:53:00 - [17] Originally by: Lord WarATron Kinetic is a good damagetype to be honest. He has a point.....my absolutions lowest armor resist is actually kinectic (not much lower but still) -Destoration
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:54:00 - [18] Originally by: Lirt Here we go again... And nullify the damage bonus i get after days of training??!! remind me, which caldari ships have a bonus to only kinetic damage? caracal, drake, raven, kestral and erm... crow right? why not try flying something else, the scorpion is made of crystalised win for example. We come for our people
Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:55:00 - [19] Originally by: Destoration He has a point.....my absolutions lowest armor resist is actually kinectic (not much lower but still) -Destoration So what? and gallente get the highest t2 damage resistance in kinetic? That doesn't justify a reasont o put only kinetic... -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:56:00 - [20] Caldari are the missile spammer race. Missiles only do one type of damage and turrets do 2 or 3 in the case of a few projectile ammos. Each race has a damage type associated with it. Amarr: EM Minmater: Explosive Gallente: Thermal Caldari: Kinetic Check each races missile spammer ship and you will find those ships are limited to only that single damage type for a bonus. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:56:00 - [21] Originally by: Lirt Originally by: Destoration He has a point.....my absolutions lowest armor resist is actually kinectic (not much lower but still) -Destoration So what? and gallente get the highest t2 damage resistance in kinetic? That doesn't justify a reasont o put only kinetic... you're sitting there saying that kinetic damage is useless, but as you already admitted most people armour tank, and kinetic resists are generally quite low on armour. therefore kinetic damage is great. We come for our people
Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:57:00 - [22] Originally by: Xennith remind me, which caldari ships have a bonus to only kinetic damage? caracal, drake, raven, kestral and erm... crow right? why not try flying something else, the scorpion is made of crystalised win for example. Also cerberus, nighthawk, phoenix, hawk and i might miss some more... -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Lirt Edited by: Lirt on 04/03/2008 16:51:05 I am not discussing if kinetic is good damage! I am discussing why ONLY kinetic? You know thermal is good damage also then why gellente have kinetic also? Same goes for minmatar and same goes now for amarr that get boosted. Not to mention another shield (caldari) nerf resulting that amarr boost. Quote: And last time I checked you can load any damage type of missile into a caldari ships launcher. Here we go again... And nullify the damage bonus i get after days of training??!! How about this. We make all four races use all 4 damage types. To top that off we give all of them equal good jamming ships so it is fair. The we all quit and subscribe to hello kitty online. If you like my idea go ahead and leave to HKO. I will meet you there later i promise.
Nasta443	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:58:00 - [24] Edited by: Nasta443 on 04/03/2008 17:00:23 they wine when they get the boost torp, they wine when they get the ecm buff, etc. and now this.
The Herrick Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:59:00 - [25] Originally by: Lirt Edited by: Lirt on 04/03/2008 16:51:05 I am not discussing if kinetic is good damage! I really don't see what the issue is here. Originally by: Tania Russ Those of us who actually build stuff and accomplish something worthwhile in Eve, as opposed to pirates, who basically don't accomplish anything but stealing other people's stuff.
Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:00:00 - [26] Xenith: I am not saying kinetic sux, im saying why ONLY kinetic??? Zeba: Sacrilege, Amarr missile spammer ship, missile damage bonus? ALL -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
Lirt Ceratias Holboelli	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:01:00 - [27] Edited by: Lirt on 04/03/2008 17:03:22 Edited by: Lirt on 04/03/2008 17:01:16 Originally by: The Herrick I really don't see what the issue is here. WHY ONLY KINETIC! MOS DEF: Or make each race has ONLY 1 damage type? How about that???? You like it? Cause for caldari it wont change much... Then all races will be different just as you like it. -------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:02:00 - [28] Edited by: Zeba on 04/03/2008 17:05:18 Originally by: Nasta443 Edited by: Nasta443 on 04/03/2008 16:58:46 well ffs you changed your post I'd trade the velocity bonus for a kinetic bonus in a heartbeat. ROF and a damage bonus to what is usually one of the lower armor resists? /SIGNED Lirt check my reply a couple of posts up to see why Caldari have a bonus to Kinetic only. And yes the Sac gets a rof bonus but the other Ammar missile ship get an EM bonus. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
The Herrick Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:03:00 - [29] Funny that you are the first person to have a major issue with this part of Caldari. Originally by: Tania Russ Those of us who actually build stuff and accomplish something worthwhile in Eve, as opposed to pirates, who basically don't accomplish anything but stealing other people's stuff.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:04:00 - [30] Originally by: Lirt Xenith: I am not saying kinetic sux, im saying why ONLY kinetic??? because. i think giving a bonus to all 4 damage types would be a little unfair, people have to be able to predict what kind of damage they are likely to face and going up against caldari and not having a clue what to expect damage wise would suck from a game design point of view. caldari picked kinetic. oh. and guristas are weak to kinetic. We come for our people

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