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Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.03.05 13:51:00 - [241] Originally by: Lirt Wtf? why such an imbalance issue keeps existing? And dont tell me "you cant change damage type" cause i will laugh till tomorrow. Thats the damage type i take bonus, why in the EVE god's name should i change damage type? to get pwned?... If you want a bonus to all missiles damage types, I want a bonus to all turret types on my armageddon, not just laser, but also hybrid and projectile. But alas, I'm stuck with just EM/Therm, where you can switch to any damage type at will. Yes you might lose out on a bonus, but it IS smart to do so. If I have 80% kinetic resistance and 0 explosive resistance, it would be very smart of you to drop your bonused kinetic missiles for some unbonused explosive missiles. If I would, I would switch to projectile on my geddon when shields were gone, because they would do more damage to armor despite missing a rof bonus. Just should re-evaluate your perception of a bonus and perhaps ponder a bit on the word itself. With a little luck, you will realize a bonus is just added benefit, not required.
Daelin Blackleaf Naqam	Posted - 2008.03.05 18:11:00 - [242] Originally by: Turzyx This is an MMO. Stop focussing on your contribution for the entirety of a fight and look at the whole. Damage type increases for specific races is good because in a mixed fleet battle it encourages/forces people to set up their tanks for ALL damage types. No, it doesn't it means anyone who knows what is coming can bias their tank towards one damage type. Few gangs have an even distribution of damage types or races, especially when you are dealing with smaller gang combat. Originally by: Turzyx Caldari already have an advantage in that they can change damage type at a click of a button, which is why you have a boost to only 1 damage type on Caldari. Interesting. Perhaps Gallente should only receive bonuses to thermal drones, Amarr only to EM drones, Minmatar only to explosive missiles, and Khanid only to EM missiles. Alternatively we could accept that Caldari are the odd ones and that this needs to be addressed. Also that "click of a button" is a click for each launcher and then 10 seconds of reloading time. 10 seconds may not sound like a lot but in reality it can swing a fight completely. In all but the longest engagements you are normally better off carrying on with the missiles you have loaded than changing. Swapping ammo mid-combat is akin to giving the enemy a free jam cycle on your ship.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2008.03.05 18:32:00 - [243] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Originally by: Turzyx This is an MMO. Stop focussing on your contribution for the entirety of a fight and look at the whole. Damage type increases for specific races is good because in a mixed fleet battle it encourages/forces people to set up their tanks for ALL damage types. No, it doesn't it means anyone who knows what is coming can bias their tank towards one damage type. Few gangs have an even distribution of damage types or races, especially when you are dealing with smaller gang combat. Originally by: Turzyx Caldari already have an advantage in that they can change damage type at a click of a button, which is why you have a boost to only 1 damage type on Caldari. Interesting. Perhaps Gallente should only receive bonuses to thermal drones, Amarr only to EM drones, Minmatar only to explosive missiles, and Khanid only to EM missiles. Alternatively we could accept that Caldari are the odd ones and that this needs to be addressed. Also that "click of a button" is a click for each launcher and then 10 seconds of reloading time. 10 seconds may not sound like a lot but in reality it can swing a fight completely. In all but the longest engagements you are normally better off carrying on with the missiles you have loaded than changing. Swapping ammo mid-combat is akin to giving the enemy a free jam cycle on your ship. Finally a person that understands what this topic is all about and that is outlining it for all that choose to move past their thick headed mind process..
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.05 19:54:00 - [244] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf .. and Khanid only to EM missiles. Alternatively we could accept that Caldari are the odd ones and that this needs to be addressed. Remind me what bonus the Malediction gets, I forget. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Adarr Caldari g guild Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.03.05 19:56:00 - [245] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf .. and Khanid only to EM missiles. Alternatively we could accept that Caldari are the odd ones and that this needs to be addressed. Remind me what bonus the Malediction gets, I forget. A useless rocket bonus?
Turzyx	Posted - 2008.03.05 20:06:00 - [246] Quote: Interesting. Perhaps Gallente should only receive bonuses to thermal drones, Amarr only to EM drones, Minmatar only to explosive missiles, and Khanid only to EM missiles. Alternatively we could accept that Caldari are the odd ones and that this needs to be addressed. All other weapons do multiple damage types. If it were simply a boost of 10% or whatever, for one damage type per race, the actual resultant DPS increase for the aforementioned would NOT be 10%, for Caldari it is. Quote: Also that "click of a button" is a click for each launcher and then 10 seconds of reloading time. 10 seconds may not sound like a lot but in reality it can swing a fight completely. In all but the longest engagements you are normally better off carrying on with the missiles you have loaded than changing. Swapping ammo mid-combat is akin to giving the enemy a free jam cycle on your ship. There aren't any huge Caldari RP corps to my knowledge, and with the exception of tournaments, it would be foolish to assume the enemy is only going to bring Caldari ships, which no one does.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.05 21:30:00 - [247] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf however the point remains that your simply being argumentative for the sake of it. No need to be rude. I invested a lot of time and effort posting information about how game balance has developed, and the precepts on which it is based. Not agreeing is not the same as being argumentative. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Reven Darklight 256 FREELANCERS Black Scope Project	Posted - 2008.03.06 00:03:00 - [248] I read the first few pages then decided to post with out reading the rest so forgive me if this has already been said. I can understand what the OP is trying to point out, Min ships get %damage to projectiles, Gal ships get %damage to hybrid, and i presume that Ama ships get % damage to lasers, but Cal get %damage to kinetic missiles. Why doesn't Cal have %damage to missiles. I don't necessarily agree with it, but i understand what hes trying to say/ask
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2008.03.06 00:51:00 - [249] Originally by: Reven Darklight Why doesn't Cal have %damage to missiles. The short answer is that each racial weapon system has a damage bias in some form, and in the case of most Caldari missile boats it's built into their ship bonuses. If you want the longer answers, explaining all the little oddities and exceptions, read the thread. :) * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Reven Darklight 256 FREELANCERS Black Scope Project	Posted - 2008.03.06 01:05:00 - [250] Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Originally by: Reven Darklight Why doesn't Cal have %damage to missiles. In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE Can i just say i love this quote. I chuckle every time i read it as for the rest I might read it if i have the time, but mostly it doesn't bother me. I fly a drake for the most part out in 0.0 and i fly against gurists(SP?). So kinetic is going to do it for me every time. The only time i don't use kinetic is when i run out and have to scavange what ever drops while i arrange to do a supply run

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