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Arconath
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Posted - 2008.03.13 04:03:00 -
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Prior to this patch, while in space you could hold down ALT to have all moon icons appear. After 1.1, this no longer works. In fact, the moon icons have disappeared entirely for me.
Is there any way to bring the icons back and/or get the ALT key functioning the same as it did before 1.1?
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Arconath
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Posted - 2008.03.13 04:03:00 -
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Prior to this patch, while in space you could hold down ALT to have all moon icons appear. After 1.1, this no longer works. In fact, the moon icons have disappeared entirely for me.
Is there any way to bring the icons back and/or get the ALT key functioning the same as it did before 1.1?
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Jei'son Bladesmith
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Posted - 2008.03.13 04:04:00 -
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its in the patch notes, Alt does nothing, its Alt-Z now
Kever Shigenaga > If you could become your ingame char, would you?
Jei'son Bladesmith > my char is a billionare, flys spaceships, and owns a prostitute, what the **** do you think |
Jei'son Bladesmith
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Posted - 2008.03.13 04:04:00 -
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its in the patch notes, Alt does nothing, its Alt-Z now
Kever Shigenaga > If you could become your ingame char, would you?
Jei'son Bladesmith > my char is a billionare, flys spaceships, and owns a prostitute, what the **** do you think |
Arconath
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Posted - 2008.03.13 04:11:00 -
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Does ALT-Z actually work for you? I'm in game now and it won't make the moons appear for me.
To forestall any suggestions, I've checked my key bindings and they defaulted correctly.
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ZaKma
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Posted - 2008.03.13 04:18:00 -
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Grrr CCP!
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R0ot
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Posted - 2008.03.13 04:18:00 -
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Congrats CCP you have nerfed Directional Scanning 
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techzer0
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Posted - 2008.03.13 04:20:00 -
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 Originally by: R0ot
Congrats CCP you have nerfed Directional Scanning AGAIN
Fixed.
Haven't been in-game yet, downtime lasted the whole time I was off work 
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
It's great being a puppetmaster 
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Verite Rendition
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Posted - 2008.03.13 04:28:00 -
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Alt-Z does not work here.
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N1fty
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Posted - 2008.03.13 04:29:00 -
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Spend 5 minutes playing with the overview settings and you will get the moons back.
You can even set up a tab for moons only if thats what you fancy.
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
I usually close my eyes and just beg, out loud added with a lot of squealing.
I swear it helps.
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R0ot
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Posted - 2008.03.13 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: N1fty
Spend 5 minutes playing with the overview settings and you will get the moons back.
You can even set up a tab for moons only if thats what you fancy.
Yeah you can, but I want my damn moons showing up when I press Alt and also the box around the ship showing up when I press Alt and not having to click my ship to get it!
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Havlentia Castigatrix
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Posted - 2008.03.13 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: N1fty
Spend 5 minutes playing with the overview settings and you will get the moons back.
You can even set up a tab for moons only if thats what you fancy.
Do you even know what directional scanning is?
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Le Skunk
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Posted - 2008.03.13 04:39:00 -
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How incredibly frustrating
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R0ot
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Posted - 2008.03.13 04:48:00 -
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Also if you hover the mouse over any planet all moons show in the list =(
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Le Skunk
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Posted - 2008.03.13 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: R0ot
Also if you hover the mouse over any planet all moons show in the list =(
Oh FFS
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atrophocy
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Posted - 2008.03.13 04:53:00 -
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very very frustrating. also moons seem to have no icon in space anymore. sigh.
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Lois Bishop
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Posted - 2008.03.13 04:58:00 -
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Edited by: Lois Bishop on 13/03/2008 05:00:50
i actually loved this patch untill i saw this :(
no more free cap kills for us i guess...
-Lois Bishop
Recovering Nano-fag, Nano-free for 0 days, 0 hours, 42 seconds
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Elliott Manchild
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Posted - 2008.03.13 05:11:00 -
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GRRR. Annoying. And ALT + Z doesn't work.
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Ryas Nia
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Posted - 2008.03.13 05:22:00 -
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and for a while there i thought this patch might not be sooo bad :(
CCP WTB Alt key back, its more or less a required part of pvp.
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Verite Rendition
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Posted - 2008.03.13 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: R0ot
Originally by: N1fty
Spend 5 minutes playing with the overview settings and you will get the moons back.
You can even set up a tab for moons only if thats what you fancy.
Yeah you can, but I want my damn moons showing up when I press Alt and also the box around the ship showing up when I press Alt and not having to click my ship to get it!
Exactly, it's crucial to aligning to a moon correctly to probe it, particularly small moons.
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Dimagus
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Posted - 2008.03.13 05:33:00 -
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OH NO! A nerf! ... oh wait, wasn't this supposed to be a boost only patch?
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Eseo Val
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Posted - 2008.03.13 05:39:00 -
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Same here, the patch wasn't so bad until I saw this...
CCP, did you know that some planet had more than 20 moons ? The list is bigger than my screen, and the stargate is on top...
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Ogul
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Posted - 2008.03.13 05:45:00 -
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Alt-Z is a ****ty combination of keys... 
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Tacitus Krekt
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Posted - 2008.03.13 05:57:00 -
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I noticed this in Test, and really didn't say anything other than "hmm, this sucks for scanning." I figured it was a bug and said nothing.
Now, logging into Tranquility to check the undock stuff and see if it's the same -- we get no moons showing via alt.
Is this intentional? I've yet to check alt+z, but with multiple people reporting that it doesn't work -- I'm viable to take their word for it.
In addition you no longer see the little "box" around your ship that you can use as a focal point for narrowing down small scans. Granted you can select your ship and get that box....but we're still looking at more penalties from alt not working.
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Siigari Kitawa
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:05:00 -
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Somebody please tell me this is a joke.
I remember posting a thread a looooooooooooooong time ago about how CCP is breaking the directional scanner.
But ffs, this crosses the line. How the hell are you supposed to do anything fast anymore in this game?
CCP QUIT ******* UP YOUR GAME PLEASE.
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Peter VonThal
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:41:00 -
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Moon icons work for me. I think you are experiencing the new Overview Bracket feature that filters the icons you see in space. When you create overview settings and tabs now, you can also filter which icons show up in space to have a cleaner view.
If you make a new tab, right click it, change bracket settings > show all brackets, you should get moons and all the other icons in space. You can refine it further by making and loading custom bracket filters.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:47:00 -
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Im not as ****ed about the totally ******** way brackets work compared to before, but the fact that first they removed the center of the ship away from the center of the screen, and now they totally removed the box which shows the center of the ship.
Good luck finding anything on a 5 degree scan.
Unless i have missed something, a pattern is beginning to emerge. CCP just doesnt like people scanning down people in belts, eh? Yay..
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techzer0
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Peter VonThal
Moon icons work for me. I think you are experiencing the new Overview Bracket feature that filters the icons you see in space. When you create overview settings and tabs now, you can also filter which icons show up in space to have a cleaner view.
If you make a new tab, right click it, change bracket settings > show all brackets, you should get moons and all the other icons in space. You can refine it further by making and loading custom bracket filters.
I don't want more settings that I'm going to have to reset (like my overview) whenever my PC crashes and EVE 'loses' my prefs file. More crap that's client specific with no useful defaults (Overview defaults anyone.. bleh) is fail...
And I don't want all icons in space, like moons, I want them in space when I hit a key, not "find button > click > submenu a > submenu b > click."
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It's great being a puppetmaster
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Sakura Nihil
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:50:00 -
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Oh, FFS...
This needs a fix ASAP CCP.
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
i'm not a very good gambler 
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techzer0
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:52:00 -
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In Other News:
Wrecks are back on scanner. \/
Just to brighten this thread up... even if I'm not happy about Alt being gone
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
It's great being a puppetmaster
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Kwitch
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:54:00 -
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how quickly the masses complain without seeking first a resolution.
PeterVonThal is quite right, thank you for pointing this out.
To elaborate, No Moons are not 'broken' from your overview or scanner, but 'fixed'
Let me explain. Your overview settings and tabs are now directly tied to your directional scanner as they were previously meant to be. By applying Tab presets and selecting the appropriate tab, you can very easily find any and all moons. Also, changing to a tab that has moons shown will re-establish them on your screen about you.
If you want the easiest solution, disable 'use active overview settings'.
Please attempt to solve the problem or ask for help before flaming CCP for making the game.
Attatched please find an image I uploaded just so that you could see that they are indeed functional.
http://www.imagehosting.com/show.php/1626794_moons.jpg.html
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Siigari Kitawa
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:54:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 13/03/2008 06:56:17
Okay I just logged in to test this.
Alt-Z does not work.
Additionally, I was not able to set the shortcut to only "alt" as it forced me to select a key.
CCP, simply BS is coming out of your patches that is nerfing PVP completely.
I'm gonna have to start calling this WOW-Online.
Originally by: Kwitch
how quickly the masses complain without seeking first a resolution.
PeterVonThal is quite right, thank you for pointing this out.
To elaborate, No Moons are not 'broken' from your overview or scanner, but 'fixed'
Let me explain. Your overview settings and tabs are now directly tied to your directional scanner as they were previously meant to be. By applying Tab presets and selecting the appropriate tab, you can very easily find any and all moons. Also, changing to a tab that has moons shown will re-establish them on your screen about you.
If you want the easiest solution, disable 'use active overview settings'.
Please attempt to solve the problem or ask for help before flaming CCP for making the game.
Attatched please find an image I uploaded just so that you could see that they are indeed functional.
http://www.imagehosting.com/show.php/1626794_moons.jpg.html
Shut up. It was an unnecessary change. Read the word "unnecessary" a few times and let it sink in.
ONE key, ALL celestials, HAPPY pvpers.
Not mouse clicking.
Not moving your mouse.
Not having to touch your mouse.
PRESSING A KEY.
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Kyra Felann
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Peter VonThal
Moon icons work for me. I think you are experiencing the new Overview Bracket feature that filters the icons you see in space. When you create overview settings and tabs now, you can also filter which icons show up in space to have a cleaner view.
If you make a new tab, right click it, change bracket settings > show all brackets, you should get moons and all the other icons in space. You can refine it further by making and loading custom bracket filters.
I'm sorry, your post shows actual understanding of the update and its new features instead of just whining about things changing and not being able to adapt. This is not allowed. Please remove the offensive post and commence whining instead.
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Quelque Chose
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:57:00 -
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Alt+z is working for me, although it does show all celestial objects (including stacks) and not just moons... don't know how it worked before tbh.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:57:00 -
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If it isnt broken, dont fix it.
Fine, i see that CCP wanted the bracket system, it does have some positive sides. But for the love of god, dont change default settings. It makes baby jesus cry.
Also, the box on the center of the ship, which is used for system scanning, is still missing as far as im aware. Thats the biggest blow to PVP'ers, not the fact moons arent default.
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Kyra Felann
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 13/03/2008 06:55:31
Okay I just logged in to test this.
Alt-Z does not work.
Additionally, I was not able to set the shortcut to only "alt" as it forced me to select a key.
CCP, simply BS is coming out of your patches that is nerfing PVP completely.
I'm gonna have to start calling this WOW-Online.
Originally by: Kwitch
how quickly the masses complain without seeking first a resolution.
PeterVonThal is quite right, thank you for pointing this out.
To elaborate, No Moons are not 'broken' from your overview or scanner, but 'fixed'
Let me explain. Your overview settings and tabs are now directly tied to your directional scanner as they were previously meant to be. By applying Tab presets and selecting the appropriate tab, you can very easily find any and all moons. Also, changing to a tab that has moons shown will re-establish them on your screen about you.
If you want the easiest solution, disable 'use active overview settings'.
Please attempt to solve the problem or ask for help before flaming CCP for making the game.
Attatched please find an image I uploaded just so that you could see that they are indeed functional.
http://www.imagehosting.com/show.php/1626794_moons.jpg.html
Shut up. It was an unnecessary change. Read the word "unnecessary" a few times and let it sink in.
One button, all celestials, happy eve pvpers.
Set your overview up properly, click one tab, see all celestials and don't have to hold down ALT anymore. Once people adapt, they will be happy. This way makes more sense and is more elegant, IMO.
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techzer0
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kwitch
how quickly the masses complain without seeking first a resolution.
PeterVonThal is quite right, thank you for pointing this out.
To elaborate, No Moons are not 'broken' from your overview or scanner, but 'fixed'
Let me explain. Your overview settings and tabs are now directly tied to your directional scanner as they were previously meant to be. By applying Tab presets and selecting the appropriate tab, you can very easily find any and all moons. Also, changing to a tab that has moons shown will re-establish them on your screen about you.
If you want the easiest solution, disable 'use active overview settings'.
Please attempt to solve the problem or ask for help before flaming CCP for making the game.
Attatched please find an image I uploaded just so that you could see that they are indeed functional.
http://www.imagehosting.com/show.php/1626794_moons.jpg.html
Have you ever been in a system with a fully set up POS at every moon and scanned like that, or busy highsec system? 
The point is that you have to go through and make different settings that probably won't 'stick' just like overview settings get lost occasionally... so instead of one key to rule them all, you get four different crappy overview settings just to scan for someone in a system
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It's great being a puppetmaster
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Kwitch
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Posted - 2008.03.13 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 13/03/2008 06:56:55
Shut up. It was an unnecessary change. Read the word "unnecessary" a few times and let it sink in.
ONE key, ALL celestials, HAPPY pvpers.
Not mouse clicking.
Not moving your mouse.
Not having to touch your mouse.
PRESSING A KEY.
Please don't be rude to someone for trying to help. Conversely, if you feel the need to be rude at someone due to CCP enabling the overview and scanner to be correctly tied together as a single unit, please keep it to yourself.
As for your 'one key' then yes, you can only use the default tab and never use any of the advanced features, and your 'one key' method will remain functional.
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Siigari Kitawa
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Posted - 2008.03.13 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann
Set your overview up properly, click one tab, see all celestials and don't have to hold down ALT anymore. Once people adapt, they will be happy. This way makes more sense and is more elegant, IMO.
Listen, I don't want to have to move my mouse around when I have 10 seconds to find a target before he warps away.
PVP is not leisurely in EVE. It is fast-paced and you gotta think boom-boom-boom. If I have to move my mouse to click something instead of letting me just hold down a key and move my mouse freely that takes away precious moments that I am going to need to find a target.
I think you'll find the itty bitty overview tab buttons are a lot harder to hit in a hurry than your alt key is.
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techzer0
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Posted - 2008.03.13 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
I think you'll find the itty bitty overview tab buttons are a lot harder to hit in a hurry than your alt key is.
This is my only problem with it.
It's like trying to right click and select something to warp to when you need to GTFO instead of just clicking something in space and hitting "warp to" on the selected item display. (Saving pods in lowsec anyone  )
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It's great being a puppetmaster
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Siigari Kitawa
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Posted - 2008.03.13 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kwitch
Please don't be rude to someone for trying to help. Conversely, if you feel the need to be rude at someone due to CCP enabling the overview and scanner to be correctly tied together as a single unit, please keep it to yourself.
As for your 'one key' then yes, you can only use the default tab and never use any of the advanced features, and your 'one key' method will remain functional.
I don't think you get it though, and I'm not being rude. You are pandering to CCP when everybody was perfectly happy with the way things were and it really burns my biscuits.
CCP glosses stuff over then breaks other important features. It's a serious and chronic problem that most people recognize. Just letting it slide is exactly what we as the EVE players should NOT do because when we do that, we are saying that we are okay with the gradual decline of certain features we hold in high regard or even take for granted. I never had to think about it. I just did it.
Changing things which take away tactile response (pressing alt is a lot easier than moving your mouse to a 2cm button on your screen) makes the game more difficult to play. And while some people may not admit it, it is true. I have always had grief towards CCP for changing things that weren't broken and this is one of those things that everybody ALWAYS does and they removed it.
They're breaking the game by removing features that we use day in and day out. That is my problem. No offense.
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Kwitch
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Posted - 2008.03.13 07:06:00 -
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So your complaint is not that the alt key doesn't work, it's that your 'boom boom boom' requires set-up to work properly. hmm. you might want to make a topic about that rather then flame people trying to help on this one.
I would advise it go in the roleplaying section, under 'pvp sound effects'.
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Siigari Kitawa
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Posted - 2008.03.13 07:07:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 13/03/2008 07:09:03
Originally by: Kwitch
So your complaint is not that the alt key doesn't work, it's that your 'boom boom boom' requires set-up to work properly. hmm. you might want to make a topic about that rather then flame people trying to help on this one.
I would advise it go in the roleplaying section, under 'pvp sound effects'.
Read the title of the thread. This is a thread complaining about the removal of it, not the so-called fix they implemented.
Also, about the "elegance," I don't want elegance I want functionality. Elegance is second to function in my opinion.
Furthermore, alt-z does not perform the same function as the original alt-only key provided. So they have broken a feature of the game that many use on like a 10 minute basis.
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Quelque Chose
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Posted - 2008.03.13 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Changing things which take away tactile response (pressing alt is a lot easier than moving your mouse to a 2cm button on your screen) makes the game more difficult to play.
I'll definitely agree with you there. This game's UI is a real hassle to manipulate and needs more hotkeys badly.
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Le Skunk
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Posted - 2008.03.13 07:14:00 -
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itsTHEREgamesoyagottalumpitlikeapleb
SKUNK
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techzer0
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Posted - 2008.03.13 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
itsTHEREgamesoyagottalumpitlikeapleb
SKUNK
Their
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
It's great being a puppetmaster
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Riho
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Posted - 2008.03.13 07:17:00 -
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crap.. why did they remove this :(
i want my ALT key functions back.... now i have to swap crappy tabs and loose time untill i have the target pinpointed... *** change
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2008.03.13 07:18:00 -
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April Fools I hope?
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Varrakk
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Posted - 2008.03.13 07:19:00 -
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This change is unnecesary. Same as removing the radar screen from directional scanning
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2008.03.13 07:39:00 -
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Bad CCP. No beer for you.
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Le Skunk
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Posted - 2008.03.13 07:40:00 -
[51]
Originally by: techzer0
Originally by: Le Skunk
itsTHEREgamesoyagottalumpitlikeapleb
SKUNK
Their
Whos their?
SKUNK
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Harm Gently
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Posted - 2008.03.13 07:55:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: techzer0
Originally by: Le Skunk
itsTHEREgamesoyagottalumpitlikeapleb
SKUNK
Their
Whos their?
SKUNK
the boost ****.
the boost ****?
yes. no boost for you! only nerfed alt-button.
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Sleepkevert
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Posted - 2008.03.13 09:09:00 -
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ITT, people don't know about the new bracket filters. Dev blog about the new overview ****.
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Ridley Tree
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Posted - 2008.03.13 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sleepkevert
ITT, people don't know about the new bracket filters. Dev blog about the new overview ****.
ITT, You, who does not have a ******* clue and does not understand what people are *****ing about.
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Schroni
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Posted - 2008.03.13 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Varrakk
This change is unnecesary. Same as removing the radar screen from directional scanning
QFT i still haven't found a good reason why they did that...
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Soho Torres
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Posted - 2008.03.13 10:34:00 -
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i am gonna like cry now i can scan worth a crap anymore with this removed its soo much harder to scan down ratters ccp ......
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Avon
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Posted - 2008.03.13 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tacitus Krekt
I noticed this in Test, and really didn't say anything other than "hmm, this sucks for scanning." I figured it was a bug and said nothing.
This is absolutely the very worst part of this thread.
Shameful.
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Callistus
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Posted - 2008.03.13 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tacitus Krekt
I noticed this in Test, and really didn't say anything other than "hmm, this sucks for scanning." I figured it was a bug and said nothing.
Why didn't you ******* bugreport it? 
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Sophil
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Posted - 2008.03.13 11:21:00 -
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Haven't been able to log on and test it, but this sounds like ****
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Arconath
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Posted - 2008.03.13 13:11:00 -
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I was really hoping that someone would have posted a solution by the time I woke up. Unfortunately, a large part of the threads seems to be between PVPers who understand the problem and non-PVPers who do not.
Maybe IÆm just completely clueless and inept, but as it stands now, I do not know of any way to have a moonÆs icon appear in the 3D world. It doesnÆt matter whether I have all brackets showing and if moons are visible on my overview. They do not show up in 3D space which is a major frustration for PVP and scanning down moons at POSs.
If someone knows how to make the small sprite for every moon show up in 3D space the way it used to, IÆd really appreciate hearing how to do this. Saying ôjust configure the overviewö doesnÆt help and from what IÆve seen, doesnÆt work at all.
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Loyal Servant
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Posted - 2008.03.13 13:33:00 -
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OMG this is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
This tabbed overview thing is a joke.
Moons not showing up is a pvp nerf of unimaginable scale...
It takes a great deal of effort to now scan moons for players.
it takes 3 times longer because now you have to start clicking moons in the fracking overview to get them to show up!
WHAT THE FRACK? CCP are you people DUMB?
So, why is ccp messing with my sig?
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Dracborne
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
If it isnt broken, dont fix it.
Fine, i see that CCP wanted the bracket system, it does have some positive sides. But for the love of god, dont change default settings. It makes baby jesus cry.
Also, the box on the center of the ship, which is used for system scanning, is still missing as far as im aware. Thats the biggest blow to PVP'ers, not the fact moons arent default.
You 'should' still be able to click on your ship to get the box. If there's not a way to get the moon icons to actually show in space this is really gonna suck for hunting down targets.
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Veng3ance
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:46:00 -
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/signed because it doesn't take one decent thread to make a ******** change reverse. It takes 1000!!!
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The Drill
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Posted - 2008.03.13 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: The Drill on 13/03/2008 16:24:41
Edited by: The Drill on 13/03/2008 16:23:46
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: Kwitch
I have always had grief towards CCP for changing things that weren't broken and this is one of those things that everybody ALWAYS does and they removed it.
They're breaking the game by removing features that we use day in and day out. That is my problem. No offense.
So basically your saying we as a species broke society buy getting used to hammers instead of rocks huh? Have fun with your rock Dino or adapt. God forbid you used your Default and still was able to use the alt key right.
Not to mention that tying the scanner and overview together opens up more possibility's in speed for scanning. The people who cant figure stuff like this out are the ones whining everyone else is setting up the overview.
Oh and to anyone crying about lost overview Data I got one word "BACKUP"
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The Drill
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Posted - 2008.03.13 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: The Drill on 13/03/2008 16:32:13
Edited by: The Drill on 13/03/2008 16:31:16
Originally by: The Drill
Edited by: The Drill on 13/03/2008 16:24:41
Edited by: The Drill on 13/03/2008 16:23:46
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: Kwitch
I have always had grief towards CCP for changing things that weren't broken and this is one of those things that everybody ALWAYS does and they removed it.
They're breaking the game by removing features that we use day in and day out. That is my problem. No offense.
So basically your saying we as a species broke society buy getting used to hammers instead of rocks huh? Have fun with your rock Dino or adapt. God forbid you used your Default and still was able to use the alt key right.
Not to mention that tying the scanner and overview together opens up more possibility's in speed for scanning. The people who cant figure stuff like this out are the ones whining everyone else is setting up the overview.
Oh and to anyone crying about lost overview Data I got one word "BACKUP"
OMG THE MORE I READ the more idiotic people are in here "YOU CAN GET MOONS ON 3D ENVIRONMENT IF YOU CANT FIGURE IT OUT QUIT EVE PLEASE!!!
It Compleatly amazes me that people would complain about hitting a button right next to the one they are use to hitting for crying out loud just put a 1/4 more of your finger on the keys and you hit the combo for gods sake! Its not like you need your fingers to be on W/A/S/D to be rdy for anything!
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Nicholas Barker
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Posted - 2008.03.13 16:52:00 -
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any tutorials on how to get this to work, i can't figure it out at all.
been sitting here messing about with all the tabs and new options to click and alt and z and nothing. :/
show all brackets, apply filters, nothing :(
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The Mute
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Posted - 2008.03.13 16:54:00 -
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Enough with the insults. Someone please explain exactly how you need to set up the overview to see moons in space. I have tried many variations of brackets and overview and still do not get moon icons to show.
By the way the Alt-Z is a toggle for showing every icon (except moons apparently)so you don't have to hold it, just hit it once to turn everything on and again to turn everything off.
Also, if you set up multiple tabs it looks like the first tab will always revert to Default settings even if you try to set it to something different.
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The Drill
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Posted - 2008.03.13 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: The Drill on 13/03/2008 17:00:37
Took me about 10 min to set up my overview this morning but alas I am at work now and can't go over it step by step from memory. I will come back in tonight and post anything I can to help people having trouble with the overview settings.
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Pwett
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Posted - 2008.03.13 18:21:00 -
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From my tests, they will not show up on my screen unless I have one selected in my overview.
I am sitting here on a planet, looking at a moon, with the moons on my overview and all brackets on. With the moon SELECTED, there is the selection box around the moon, and still no icon.
Tell me what I'm doing wrong.
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atrophocy
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Posted - 2008.03.13 19:25:00 -
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i've been playing with it a fair bit, and it seems once you have things setup properly, Alt+Z does work as intended, it's just slightly different to the old "alt shows all brackets" deal.
What you need to do is have an overview profile with the stuff you want on it, ie for me that would be player ships + gates. then create another with player ships + gates + moons. Go the the last tab on overview settings, name the tab, set the first overview profile, then the second one with moons on as bracket. this way you will show all your normal stuff + moons in space. in theory.
The problem however, is that moons in 3D space have no icon, so no bracket to be displayed even when you have things setup properly.
I'm hoping this is a bug on ccp's part and it gets fixed. i dearly hope it is not intended as it is quite a serious nerf to directional scanning.
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Karina Bellac
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Posted - 2008.03.13 20:08:00 -
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I still trying to get my own ship to show a bracket, for lining up narrow directional scans. |
Pwett
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Posted - 2008.03.13 20:09:00 -
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Good, so I'm not crazy, there simply are NO icons for moons anymore.
I feel slightly better.
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.03.13 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: The Drill
OMG THE MORE I READ the more idiotic people are in here "YOU CAN GET MOONS ON 3D ENVIRONMENT IF YOU CANT FIGURE IT OUT QUIT EVE PLEASE!!!
It Compleatly amazes me that people would complain about hitting a button right next to the one they are use to hitting for crying out loud just put a 1/4 more of your finger on the keys and you hit the combo for gods sake! Its not like you need your fingers to be on W/A/S/D to be rdy for anything!
The issue ins't that you can't eventually setup an overview setting to show the brackets using 'alt-z'. The issue is that there really was no need to take away the simple 1 key method. How much are you looking foward to resetting even moar overview settings the next time CCP wipes them all for the next patch, hotfix, hamster fart?
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Karina Bellac
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Posted - 2008.03.13 20:22:00 -
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Meh, I give up, directional scanning is just plain broken now, due to a really minor UI change. |
Emperor D'Hoffryn
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Posted - 2008.03.13 20:29:00 -
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This is indeed a bug of somesort.
Just logged in to play with this, and only 1 moon in the system has an icon in space. ALL other moons do not.
DO not bring up brackets. I turned off bracket filtering, and nothing changed. The moon icons seem to be bugged, prolly related to the bracket changes, but still a bug.
as for getting brackets around your ship for aligning directional scans, you can left click your ship to "select it" which places a solid white box around it until you select something else.
Originally by: Meridius Dex
I could actually fit a Thorax WITH LASERS and get better DPS, better speed, better tank and - wait for it - better cap stability
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Banda Minion
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Posted - 2008.03.14 00:11:00 -
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Pleae bring back holding ATL to see all the celestial objects. Why did you change it ???
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Zathi Shaitan
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Posted - 2008.03.14 00:22:00 -
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Sigh, now we will have to wait for the patch of the patch of the patch... familiar?
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atrophocy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 00:36:00 -
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how about this, everybody really really frustrated by this, file bug reports. fastest way to get it fixed
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Kaathar Rielspar
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Posted - 2008.03.14 00:48:00 -
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this needs to be corrected. whilst i'm sure the new overview settings are great (haven't logged on yet since patch) holding ALT to show all celestials was a very useful shortcut which aided hugely in directional scanning.
also, while you're bringing back this functionality, please please please consider bringing back the minimap which disappeared literally years ago. please review the threads about it
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Dr Caligo
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Posted - 2008.03.14 01:04:00 -
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wow alt+z is messed up or something... it appears to have toggled moons to show up when you hover but there is no icon and now I can't get rid of them which is bad...
This is just stupid... give the old alt function back NOW.
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Matrixcvd
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Posted - 2008.03.14 02:02:00 -
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this is rediculous, i compliment someone in CCP and then they turn around and do this crap.... OVERVIEWS GET BUGGED, tabs? more problems? more options? ARE YOU FRACKIN KIDDING ME!!!! i cant wait for lag... you know what works.. EVERYTIME, THE ALT KEY YOU MORONS, THE ALT KEY.
WHY DO YOU WASTE TIME PROGRAMMING STUFF THAT IS GOING TO BREAK WHEN 50 PEOPLE ARE IN SYSTEM. YOU CANT FIX THE LAG BUT YOU GENERATE PREGNANT STATION WALKERS!?!?!?!?!?!. YOU CANT FIX SIMPLE BUGS AND YOU NERF THE FRACKIN ALT KEY. WHO NERFS THE ALT KEY!!!!!!! IT WAS THE SIMPLIEST AND MOST USEFUL THING IN EVE.
i have almost had enough of this crap. its absolutely mindboggling to think people are so full of themselves and their "ubergodlyness" at programming and developing UI that they remove the best way to use the scanner... oh no we cant just have 1 overview that gets bugged frequently, we need tabs. You people keep makin up more useless crap, you all should run for political office. its unbelievable the amount of BS that you try and shove down people's throats.
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Nahor Noom
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Posted - 2008.03.14 02:17:00 -
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ok everyone seems really confused about this whole deal so let me clarify.
the moon bracket doesnt appear in space (i'm not talking about your overview, i mean in your HUD).
best way for me to explain is to give you an example.
first we create a new overview preset only showing moons (call it moons). we create a new tab, with the the following settings "moons" - "moons" - "moons"
the way this is intended to work, should filter everything in the overview, and HUD and only show ... moons.
however (make sure bracket filtering is one) if you take a gander in space you wont see any of your moons brackets. now try warping to zero on a moon and deselecting it. notice it has a bracket now.
this is what everyones asking about, not "why is the alt key not working" or "why dont i have moons in my overview"
they mean quite simply, why cant we see moons in space anymore, as being able to do this quicklym or at all, is almost essential.
so what we are asking CCP is this, why do moon brackets not appear at all unless you're within AMAZINGLY close proximity to the moon, thus making it useless.
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.03.14 02:23:00 -
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Edited by: SoftRevolution on 14/03/2008 02:26:13
Good:
Wrecks on Scanner <3
Tabs for Overview <3
I love these changes.
Bad:
Moons 
I did set up a tab for moons and it doesn't show the icons.
They're also not bright in space like they used to be
Really there's just no need for that change either.
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Ribeye Jaksom
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Posted - 2008.03.14 02:58:00 -
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/signed
For the love of god please change it back the way it was with the alt key, this sh*t just plain sucks.
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Shraek
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Posted - 2008.03.14 03:00:00 -
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Edited by: Shraek on 14/03/2008 03:01:17
Once again CCP great forethought and planning there.
Regardless of what people have said i still cannot get moons to display on my HUD. clicking on my overview through 80 odd moons is a sure way to make sure we'd never get a ditrectional scan on people we need kill.
Once again i'm convinced CCP devs are really all wow players or empire veldspar miners.
WTB a clue
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Kyra Felann
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Posted - 2008.03.14 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: Quelque Chose
I'll definitely agree with you there. This game's UI is a real hassle to manipulate and needs more hotkeys badly.
I agree with this. Eve needs more hotkeys. Please let us assign regular letter keys to commands. If we want to chat, we can click the box or push enter like most MMOs that I know of. Or make it an toggleable option for those of us who need more hotkeys. I can think of a better use for the TAB key, also (cycling targets, overview tabs, etc).
I still think people are overreacting to the change to the ALT key and brackets, though.
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Kyra Felann
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Posted - 2008.03.14 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dracborne
If there's not a way to get the moon icons to actually show in space this is really gonna suck for hunting down targets.
There is a way. It requires adapting, though, which for some people is an unsurmountable requirement.
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Jesnen
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Posted - 2008.03.14 04:03:00 -
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I want the alt key to work again, I dont even care about the brackets because eventually we will just make one tab we like and forget about all the useless crap options forever.
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Kyra Felann
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Posted - 2008.03.14 04:16:00 -
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ALT+Z works fine for me. It toggles now instead of holding to show, but otherwise seems like the old functionality. I see moons, planets, sentry guns, etc, even when they're not normally shown by my bracket settings. Push it again and they go away.
If you want to see moons in space without pushing a key, here's how. Create an overview setting with moons and whatever else you want and save it. Create a new tab--call it celestial, scanning, whatever. Right-click that new tab and click "change bracket settings". Select the settings you saved. That should work (it does for me).
Keep in mind that brackets and overview filters are separate and that the "default" tab doesn't work like the other ones. It doesn't save and you can't change the brackets. This may be the source of the problems.
Also, if you click your ship, you'll see the bracket there (like someone already said.
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Kyra Felann
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Posted - 2008.03.14 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jesnen
I want the alt key to work again, I dont even care about the brackets because eventually we will just make one tab we like and forget about all the useless crap options forever.
Yeah, because not changing your overview settings based on the situation (unless you only do one thing in the game ever) is totally FTW.
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atrophocy
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann
If you want to see moons in space without pushing a key, here's how. Create an overview setting with moons and whatever else you want and save it. Create a new tab--call it celestial, scanning, whatever. Right-click that new tab and click "change bracket settings". Select the settings you saved. That should work (it does for me).
Keep in mind that brackets and overview filters are separate and that the "default" tab doesn't work like the other ones. It doesn't save and you can't change the brackets. This may be the source of the problems.
yes, this is exactly how it should work. setup an overview profile with celestials [moons] on it, and set it as the bracket. And yes, i'm sure the moons are showing, we just cant see them cos their bracket is a blank icon, hence, we cant see moons.
All the other changes here will be relatively easy to adapt to, if only ccp would give moons icons again, which i'm hoping is a bug.
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Jon Hawkes
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.03.14 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Karina Bellac
I still trying to get my own ship to show a bracket, for lining up narrow directional scans.
One workaround for this is to simply use the tactical overview and zoom all the way out. It's not ideal, but enables you do do 5¦ scans easily (assuming you can find the damned moon that is!)
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Barzam
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.14 10:14:00 -
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Quick question?
Did anyone bother to write a bug report about this? x up if so.
Because I don't want CCP Q&A posting here in a year saying "Oh, we didn't know this fault existed! Woes! Why did you not tell us? -cry-etc-"
It's a really bothersome fault though.
Give us back the aligning up scan icon on the ship.
Give us back the moons. At least as a working bracket filter item!
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atrophocy
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 19:24:00 -
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yep, i've filed a bug report. anybody else frustrated by this, time to stop whining and start filing bug reports. it's the only way we're gonna get any kind of action on it.
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Scilent Enigma
Vae Victis Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 20:41:00 -
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Bug report sent, guess we'll find out if it is a bug or intended change soon[tm]...
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Kyra Felann
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: atrophocy
yes, this is exactly how it should work. setup an overview profile with celestials [moons] on it, and set it as the bracket. And yes, i'm sure the moons are showing, we just cant see them cos their bracket is a blank icon, hence, we cant see moons.
All the other changes here will be relatively easy to adapt to, if only ccp would give moons icons again, which i'm hoping is a bug.
If you can't see them, then it may be a bug on your particular installation, because I can see moon icons fine. Sometimes they overlap with planet icons if you're far away, but when I'm near a planet, I can see moon icons distinctly. They're circles with a little line or dot on the side. You can always just list them in an overview tab and then click the one you want.
But they do show up, at least for me, if you set up your brackets properly.
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Kyra Felann
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Barzam
Quick question?
Did anyone bother to write a bug report about this? x up if so.
I doubt it's a bug. It's just misunderstanding over the new ways brackets work. I can see moon brackets fine. Also, ALT+Z works fine for me.
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