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kessah Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.03.23 14:42:00 - [61] Il also add this to gallente recons. If they dampen an interceptor for example, its proportional to there total lock range which isnt much. You can always lock down an arazu by getting in really close.
Sajuukar Grail Seekers	Posted - 2008.03.23 15:09:00 - [62] i kinda agree with the falcon beign overpowered , it can so easy sway the tide of a battle by effectivly jamming anything up to 3-4 ships on and off. though i only think it needs a small tweak . Maybe for example limiting its base targeting range to say 70km , this either forces it to move slightly closer to the fight or forces it to use some of its mids for sensor boosters. this in turn would reduce its ability to jam 3-4 ships constantly. my second idea is to reduce the amount of ships the falcon can target to maybe 2 ships . this would eliminate it permjamming multiple ships. yet u can garantee 2 ships getin permajammed. though i think implementing both changes would be too much of a nerf.
Waxau The Fated Odyssey.	Posted - 2008.03.23 15:16:00 - [63] Originally by: Sajuukar i kinda agree with the falcon beign overpowered , it can so easy sway the tide of a battle by effectivly jamming anything up to 3-4 ships on and off. though i only think it needs a small tweak . Maybe for example limiting its base targeting range to say 70km , this either forces it to move slightly closer to the fight or forces it to use some of its mids for sensor boosters. this in turn would reduce its ability to jam 3-4 ships constantly. my second idea is to reduce the amount of ships the falcon can target to maybe 2 ships . this would eliminate it permjamming multiple ships. yet u can garantee 2 ships getin permajammed. though i think implementing both changes would be too much of a nerf. Very much so too heavy. You're proposing to either nuke its lock range by 1/2 (falcons already fit sensor boosters and mwds), and lock range of two targets? lol. Why should the falcon all of a sudden be burdened, just because damps got nerfed? Because make no mistake - Most of the whiners you find against ECM are purely Ex-Damp users, who are out for a bit of payback.
Reem Fairchild Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.23 15:24:00 - [64] Originally by: Waxau Because make no mistake - Most of the whiners you find against ECM hate EWar in general and are the same people who whined about damps until they were killed. Fixed.
Sajuukar Grail Seekers	Posted - 2008.03.23 15:35:00 - [65] Originally by: Waxau Originally by: Sajuukar i kinda agree with the falcon beign overpowered , it can so easy sway the tide of a battle by effectivly jamming anything up to 3-4 ships on and off. though i only think it needs a small tweak . Maybe for example limiting its base targeting range to say 70km , this either forces it to move slightly closer to the fight or forces it to use some of its mids for sensor boosters. this in turn would reduce its ability to jam 3-4 ships constantly. my second idea is to reduce the amount of ships the falcon can target to maybe 2 ships . this would eliminate it permjamming multiple ships. yet u can garantee 2 ships getin permajammed. though i think implementing both changes would be too much of a nerf. Very much so too heavy. You're proposing to either nuke its lock range by 1/2 (falcons already fit sensor boosters and mwds), and lock range of two targets? lol. Why should the falcon all of a sudden be burdened, just because damps got nerfed? Because make no mistake - Most of the whiners you find against ECM are purely Ex-Damp users, who are out for a bit of payback. hmm yes maybe tht would be to much of a nerf but the figures i chose were just picked out of the air and should be propally ballanced. tho you can't disagree that something has to be done.
Ivan Kinsikor International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.03.23 15:49:00 - [66] Edited by: Ivan Kinsikor on 23/03/2008 15:49:50 ECM is fine, boost damps. A simple range fix on them would do a lot :p. The falloff being way bigger then the optimal makes me scratch my head. We're supposed to be damping targeting range/scan res, but to do it effectively we need to be close in. But if we're close in we run a good chance of being targeted and popped. I CALL SHENANIGANS! 60 optimal 30 falloff now plz Killing is business and business is good.
Arlana Aarro Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.23 16:09:00 - [67] But I just got my Falcon alt, don't have him nerfed already. :(
Bodhisattvas Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.23 16:12:00 - [68] People have perfectly valid points about ecm and its being over powered in relation to other forms of ewar. Solo ecm boats are crap but in any other scenario they are battle winners. There is no negating the fact you have to know how to use ecm, but in the right hands it is overpowered. The fact you can use ecm boats at range to great advantage surpasses any other recon ewar, purely for the purpose of ewar and disabiltating the enemy. Some people in this post claim, any who claims ecm is over powered are merely whinging thru ignorance on the subject of ecm. but they defeat their own argument by merely suggesting ecm whingers are wrong because they don't understand ecm and the use of. Ok then please enlighten those in the dark on the subject of ecm, feel free to be as in depth as you wish and please do not base it soley on the evil of ECCM!!! Otherwise just cos you say something don't make it so. Personaly ecm does not suite my style of eve at the moment but I do fly a falcon on my alt and tbh not much skill or isk needs investing to fly a falcon with efficiency, its more about technique and prior planning. Not going to bother outlining the pros and cons of the other race recons as other peeps in this post have already done so, much to it failing to register on the senses of the "ooo ecm is right peachy as it is" brigade.
annoing MisFunk Inc. Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.03.23 16:13:00 - [69] Originally by: Mortifix Every ship has a strong point and a weak point Really? Then kindly explain what the Pilgrims strong point is? Maybe its a NOS boat, but hold on, NOS has been nerfed to death so that cant be it? So maybe its a drone boat? Nope, it gets no bonus for that, so thats not it is it? Maybe its a cloaked recon ship for work in dangerous space? Nope, too slow, no bonus's (except the ability to fit a covert cloak, well as the cruiser eqivilent it would be stupid not to be able to fit it wouldnt it?), easily caught. At least a frig covert opos can be used as a prober, the Pilgrim cant even do that. It cant be a cyno field generator anymore because the afore mentioned nos nerf has stopped its ability to duel rep so an ordinary frigate fleet makes a meal of it. Its all well and good if the cyno is in an unoccupied system but that makes it worthless as well cos you could use any cyno trained alt for that. Nope, I think your statement is wrong, kindly go back to your desk and give me 100 lines on why you shouldnt post. Dwi Cymraig According to the Pastafarian belief system, pirates are "absolute divine beings" and the original Pastafarians. Their image as "thieves and outcasts" is misinformation.
Dianeces Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.03.23 16:19:00 - [70] Originally by: annoing Originally by: Mortifix Every ship has a strong point and a weak point Really? Then kindly explain what the Pilgrims strong point is? Maybe its a NOS boat, but hold on, NOS has been nerfed to death so that cant be it? So maybe its a drone boat? Nope, it gets no bonus for that, so thats not it is it? Maybe its a cloaked recon ship for work in dangerous space? Nope, too slow, no bonus's (except the ability to fit a covert cloak, well as the cruiser eqivilent it would be stupid not to be able to fit it wouldnt it?), easily caught. At least a frig covert opos can be used as a prober, the Pilgrim cant even do that. It cant be a cyno field generator anymore because the afore mentioned nos nerf has stopped its ability to duel rep so an ordinary frigate fleet makes a meal of it. Its all well and good if the cyno is in an unoccupied system but that makes it worthless as well cos you could use any cyno trained alt for that. Nope, I think your statement is wrong, kindly go back to your desk and give me 100 lines on why you shouldnt post. Leave it to the Amarr whine brigade to turn a Falcon discussion into a discussion about how terrible their ships still are.
Bodhisattvas Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.23 16:20:00 - [71] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Waxau Because make no mistake - Most of the whiners you find against ECM hate EWar in general and are the same people who whined about damps until they were killed. Fixed. Hell I love ewar, as soon as I knew it existed I had it trained! Nothing better than locking someone down and solo beating the crap out of them. Pretty sure most of the folk in this thread in favour of ecm nerf are ****ed cos whatever ewar they trained is nerfed in comparison to ecm. Fixed.
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.23 16:21:00 - [72] Edited by: welsh wizard on 23/03/2008 16:22:25 ECCM has a considerable effect. Raven without ECCM = 60% chance to be jammed by racial. Raven with lowslot ECCM = 40% chance to be jammed by racial. Raven with midslot ECCM = 30% chance to be jammed by racial. If your entire gang is fitted with ECCM the cumulative effect of any opposing ECM ships is reduced hugely. You can also kill the ECM first and bring your own ! Caldari ewar is very powerful because its utter rubbish at anything else and has no solo application what so ever. The other races don't suffer from this so Caldari ewar is stronger as a result. they're purely gang ships which means you either counter them with your own gang or bring your own ECM & ECCM. --------------- you all smell!
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.23 16:25:00 - [73] Originally by: welsh wizard You can also kill the ECM first and bring your own ! WHAT!?!?!!? How dare you! This is not the place for rational propositions! Boink!
Xequecal GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.23 16:52:00 - [74] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Waxau Because make no mistake - Most of the whiners you find against ECM hate EWar in general and are the same people who whined about damps until they were killed. Fixed. Dampeners were a million times worse than ECM. ECM ships generally need to fit 6-8 mods to do their ECM job. They can't do any DPS and they're generally really slow and heavy Caldai ships. The jamming is not guaranteed, and there's a reasonably effective counter. With damps, ANYONE could fit 3 damps on ANYTHING and lock you out of targeting anything permanently, guaranteed. There was no counter at all, you could fit four sensor boosters and you'd still be jammed below 20km in a battleship, let alone a cruiser. Getting close to the damping ship didn't help either because your scan res was so low you'd have a 3 minute locking time.
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Julius Romanus Fatalix Inc. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.23 17:01:00 - [76] Originally by: annoing Originally by: Mortifix Every ship has a strong point and a weak point Really? Then kindly explain what the Pilgrims strong point is? Maybe its a NOS boat, but hold on, NOS has been nerfed to death so that cant be it? So maybe its a drone boat? Nope, it gets no bonus for that, so thats not it is it? Maybe its a cloaked recon ship for work in dangerous space? Nope, too slow, no bonus's (except the ability to fit a covert cloak, well as the cruiser eqivilent it would be stupid not to be able to fit it wouldnt it?), easily caught. At least a frig covert opos can be used as a prober, the Pilgrim cant even do that. It cant be a cyno field generator anymore because the afore mentioned nos nerf has stopped its ability to duel rep so an ordinary frigate fleet makes a meal of it. Its all well and good if the cyno is in an unoccupied system but that makes it worthless as well cos you could use any cyno trained alt for that. Nope, I think your statement is wrong, kindly go back to your desk and give me 100 lines on why you shouldnt post. On the frig fleet note. In testing it takes exactly 4 assault frigs to ensure my pilgrims doom.
Julius Romanus Fatalix Inc. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.23 17:12:00 - [77] Originally by: Xequecal Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Waxau Because make no mistake - Most of the whiners you find against ECM hate EWar in general and are the same people who whined about damps until they were killed. Fixed. Dampeners were a million times worse than ECM. ECM ships generally need to fit 6-8 mods to do their ECM job. They can't do any DPS and they're generally really slow and heavy Caldai ships. The jamming is not guaranteed, and there's a reasonably effective counter. With damps, ANYONE could fit 3 damps on ANYTHING and lock you out of targeting anything permanently, guaranteed. There was no counter at all, you could fit four sensor boosters and you'd still be jammed below 20km in a battleship, let alone a cruiser. Getting close to the damping ship didn't help either because your scan res was so low you'd have a 3 minute locking time. Very true, especially the part about damps. But with the way scripts work now, getting close would be a perfectly acceptable counter wouldn't it? I hated old school damps, I A curse being better off fitting all damps no tds = aggravating. Being damped down to nothing, and unable to even lock drones due to scan res was annoying. Not because the lachiesis was doing it: Because everyone was doing it. I say leave damps the way they are right now, and increase the bonuses on the gal recons. I also say increase - maybe even double - the effect of the target painter bonus on min recons. And while we're at it, increase the range on damps/td's/and painters so they can reliably operate from around 100-120km at best skill.
Mortifix M0NEY SH0T	Posted - 2008.03.23 17:30:00 - [78] Originally by: Chr0nosX Originally by: Mortifix Wow, you just said the same thing that the rest of these whiners have been saying. Congrats. Like EaterofChildren already stated, NO the falcon cannot perma jamm muiltple BS and HACS. I am near maxed out in my Falcon and I have never been able to perma jam 3 or so targets (other than T1 frigs or T1 cruiser maybe). YES I have had 4 or so targets all jammed at once, but there is no way I could keep them perma jammed. If there is anyone out there that think they can, PLEASE enlighten me, so i also can become an ECM god like you. As a matter of fact I do use racial jammers thank you very much. I said the Falcon can jam (while missing a few jam cycles) a few hacs OR one or two BS. Maybe try fitting racial jammers instead of multispecs.
Reem Fairchild Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.24 11:40:00 - [79] Originally by: Mortifix Edited by: Mortifix on 23/03/2008 17:42:04 Originally by: Chr0nosX Originally by: Mortifix Wow, you just said the same thing that the rest of these whiners have been saying. Congrats. Like EaterofChildren already stated, NO the falcon cannot perma jamm muiltple BS and HACS. I am near maxed out in my Falcon and I have never been able to perma jam 3 or so targets (other than T1 frigs or T1 cruiser maybe). YES I have had 4 or so targets all jammed at once, but there is no way I could keep them perma jammed. If there is anyone out there that think they can, PLEASE enlighten me, so i also can become an ECM god like you. As a matter of fact I do use racial jammers thank you very much. I said the Falcon can jam (while missing a few jam cycles) a few hacs OR one or two BS. Maybe try fitting racial jammers instead of multispecs. Like was stated before, caldari is supose to be the long range/ecm race. That mean that the falcon should be better at e-war than the rest. I dont know what makes people think that every type of ship is supose to be balanced for every race. EVE WAS NOT MADE TO BE THIS WAY!!!! Every ship type leans more to one race, why should e-war be any different? ECM is not all electronic warfare. ECM is one form of electronic warfare. Caldari ships should be better at ECM than others. But there is no reason in the world why ECM should be far more effective than other forms of electronic warfare. Right now ECM is exactly where it should be. Damps are not.
Reem Fairchild Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.24 11:52:00 - [80] Originally by: Xequecal Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Waxau Because make no mistake - Most of the whiners you find against ECM hate EWar in general and are the same people who whined about damps until they were killed. Fixed. Dampeners were a million times worse than ECM. ECM ships generally need to fit 6-8 mods to do their ECM job. They can't do any DPS and they're generally really slow and heavy Caldai ships. The jamming is not guaranteed, and there's a reasonably effective counter. With damps, ANYONE could fit 3 damps on ANYTHING and lock you out of targeting anything permanently, guaranteed. There was no counter at all, you could fit four sensor boosters and you'd still be jammed below 20km in a battleship, let alone a cruiser. Getting close to the damping ship didn't help either because your scan res was so low you'd have a 3 minute locking time. Whether damps were slightly overpowered or not before is a completely separate issue. If you believe they are ok at the moment then make an argument as to why. If not, then there is no point in bringing up what they used to be. But either way, I really don't think the argument could be made that the damp bonused ships were overpowered unless you think being reasonably guranteed to be able to disable the sensors of even one single ship is too much. And if you do, you might as well just call for electronic warfare to be completely removed from the game, because that's about the same thing.
Trojanman190 The Conflagration New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.03.24 11:57:00 - [81] The only thing overpowered about the falcon and the rook is that they can do what they do from 150km+. Even the Arazu and lach can't match that ability and the whole concept behind those ships is to cut targeting range down. ECM just works from to great a distance. Otherwise there is nothing wrong with these ships. If you want the jamming power you can't nano and you can't tank. 10 - 15 seconds of firing from an unjammed sniper battleship will drop one of them quite easily, they are the most fragile of all the recons. A ship that is completely dedicated to something, to the point where it has to fit 100% to fill its role should be extremely good at it. All of the other recons can nano out and lose none of their recon effectiveness. It also takes a special kind of pilot to fly a ship whose only tank is completely chance based and is ineffective against drones. I any nano ship you can fly straight for one of them, going for the bump and deploy drones as the rook / falcon locks you. The drones will auto agress when you get jammed and start pwning the rook / falcon. Your bump means you don't even need to scramble them and their pathetic tank means the light drones on a vagabond will kill them rather quickly. Nothing wrong with these ships except the fact they are the best choice of ewar over 150km, that role should belong to sensor damps.
Lyria Skydancer Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.24 12:03:00 - [82] Originally by: Waxau Why should the falcon all of a sudden be burdened, just because damps got nerfed? Because make no mistake - Most of the falcon abusers are ex-damp abusers and dont want to lose their fotm again after training caldari recons when damps got nerfed. Fixed. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare II
Cautet Precision Engineering Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.24 12:28:00 - [83] Edited by: Cautet on 24/03/2008 12:33:27 No such thing as perma jam. To jam with a falcon from 200km if you have all level 5 skills, including targeting range skills and optimal range skills for ecm, you will use a sensor booster II with a range script, plus 2 rigs to hit with ecm inside optimal. The ship will have 4 racial ecm's left on a fit including 1 LSE II and a MWD (pretty standard fitting requirements for a falcon) 1 unbonused damp from an unbonsed ship will push your targeting range below 140km. Let's assume this hypethetical falcon pilot is lucky enough to have stumbled upon 4 BS of the exact same races as his ECM and they forgot to bring support, because they are*****y, and he has setup in advance of this encounter a 200km safespot, and that these opponents haven't setup any ss near to his ss. And of course none of these battleships is a Scorpion, and none wanted to fit an ECCM despite their fear of falcons. Here is what could happen: BS1: Rokh vs Caldari racial ECM max skills: Sensor str 24 vs ECM str 14. Chance to jam = 58% BS2: another Rokh vs etc 58% BS3: Apoc: 70% bs4: Mega: 67% Chance to jam all 4 BS ONCE ONLY: 15.7% Chance to jam all 4 BS 2 times in a row 2.4% SO, even without using any particular tactics chances are he is locked and dead from at least one of these BS pretty quickly, or most likely he warps away.
arbalesttom Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.24 12:40:00 - [84] Originally by: annoing Originally by: Mortifix Every ship has a strong point and a weak point Really? Then kindly explain what the Pilgrims strong point is? Maybe its a NOS boat, but hold on, NOS has been nerfed to death so that cant be it? So maybe its a drone boat? Nope, it gets no bonus for that, so thats not it is it? Maybe its a cloaked recon ship for work in dangerous space? Nope, too slow, no bonus's (except the ability to fit a covert cloak, well as the cruiser eqivilent it would be stupid not to be able to fit it wouldnt it?), easily caught. At least a frig covert opos can be used as a prober, the Pilgrim cant even do that. It cant be a cyno field generator anymore because the afore mentioned nos nerf has stopped its ability to duel rep so an ordinary frigate fleet makes a meal of it. Its all well and good if the cyno is in an unoccupied system but that makes it worthless as well cos you could use any cyno trained alt for that. Nope, I think your statement is wrong, kindly go back to your desk and give me 100 lines on why you shouldnt post. No, you are the one that should stop posting at all. 1. This isnt a amarr whine thread, go make your own and stop ***** derailing this thread. 2. Nos isnt useless anymore, its balanced. 3. If your using a cyno alt instead of your pilgrim, its your own choice so dont whine about that either. 4. The pilgrim has a bonus to drone damage/hp, so yes its a drone boat. 5. It can fit a covops cloak, so you dont have to worry about speed etc if your using it as transport. 6. Any force recon can be popped during opening a cyno, and that tank arguement you have fails because you can just fit dual rep+injector, something ships like the caldari and minnie force recons cant without gimping there ewar capability. Sig Originally by:** Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. If real men fly amarr, what does a nbermensch fly then? ---> Gallente ^(>_<)^
arbalesttom Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.24 12:41:00 - [85] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Waxau Why should the falcon all of a sudden be burdened, just because damps got nerfed? Because make no mistake - Most of the falcon abusers are ex-damp abusers and dont want to lose their fotm again after training caldari recons when damps got nerfed. Fixed. I so agree with you lyria. *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. If real men fly amarr, what does a nbermensch fly then? ---> Gallente ^(>_<)^
Zubakis Bambooule	Posted - 2008.03.24 14:02:00 - [86] ECM is by far the most powerfull ew form in this game. It's like an magic winbutton to almost any situation. If you cant handle something bring ECM with you, if you still cant handle it just bring more ECM. Other EW forms are a joke. Seriously why using for example TD's if you can completely disable the whole ship by using ECM? After 5 years of game, we have 1 winbutton ew form and 3 joke ew's (tp,damp,td), which are only usefull in some situations. I would like to see a little bit more different ew forms and not just one pwn-everything-spell. -- Zuba
Niffetin Omni Research	Posted - 2008.03.24 14:08:00 - [87] Originally by: DeadDuck Usually a ECCM mod helps a bit ... A single Blackbird can keep 2 ECCM fitted Battleships permajammed.. --- Teeheee! mematar's Video Archive
SoftRevolution Complicity.	Posted - 2008.03.24 14:14:00 - [88] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 23/03/2008 16:22:25 ECCM has a considerable effect. Raven without ECCM = 60% chance to be jammed by racial. Raven with lowslot ECCM = 40% chance to be jammed by racial. Raven with midslot ECCM = 30% chance to be jammed by racial. If your entire gang is fitted with ECCM the cumulative effect of any opposing ECM ships is reduced hugely. You can also kill the ECM first and bring your own ! Caldari ewar is very powerful because its utter rubbish at anything else and has no solo application what so ever. The other races don't suffer from this so Caldari ewar is stronger as a result. they're purely gang ships which means you either counter them with your own gang or bring your own ECM & ECCM. Oh there we go. I was wondering about that but too lazy to do the maths. 30% chance to be jammed? Gosh. Actually I make it less than 60% chance to jam a Raven so that's probably a little lower. That means to permajam one ship with an ECCM module requires three or four of your midslots... assuming you brought that many of appropriate racial. Seems pretty fair. Probably not so fair if you're in that one ship but there you go. Friends > ECM. Sounds like RSDs need to work better on dedicated platforms is all. EVE RELATED CONTENT
Lyria Skydancer Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.24 14:30:00 - [89] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 24/03/2008 14:30:14 Many are missing the point because they got their alt so close to finishing up the falcon training: The point is there is no other ship that simply uncloaks and totally skews the balance of a fight. It simply appears and totally turns the tide of battles. There is no other recon that comes close doing this. You can calculate or moan all you like, the truth is: It is annoying as hell. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare II
Cerui Tarshiel Clown Punchers. Clown Punchers Syndicate	Posted - 2008.03.24 14:33:00 - [90] begin of angry rant Wah Wah Wah Most of this is something I've seen since I started using the falcon in august 2007. ECM is overpowered, ecm sucks blablabla. Heard it all before and again, and again, and again. First to address the whole overpowered thing. Yes, the falcon shouldn't have been boosted to 20%, 15% would've been enough (and that's comming from someone that never flies the rook, even before the falcon boost). And yes, damps were nerfed way too much to be useful even on a dedicated damp ship (which in itself is a problem with the damps and not ecm). And yes, the falcon has the potential to turn small to medium size fights the way few other ships by themselves can. This however is offset by the fact it's got no self defence except for chance based ewar (which is terribly chance based, I've jammed a nidhoggur for 4 consecutive cycles with a gallente jammer and on the other hand failed 3 consecutive cycles on a drake with 2 caldari jammers). And honestly, 2 launchers and a gun ain't going to save your paperthin ass when someone comes around to pound your falcon into spacedust. And no, 2 launchers and a gun aint something I call real weapons, you have the damage output of a wet paper towel, those highslots are better used to assist your gang (probe launcher, salvager, remote reppers for post battle repairs, cyno and so on). I've been in combat with very varied corps/alliances and they can be basicly split into two groups (and I'm not talking about ganks here, i'm talking about similar sized gangs). Group A just sits there, jammed and whines about it, group b has ecm/ewar of their own and continually try to disrupt my efforts at jamming by either counterjamming/ewar or harassing me with inties/nanohacs and force me to warp off. /end of angry rant Falcons/Rooks and to a lesser degree the Kitsune are after all specialized ships and thus should require some degree of specialized measures to deal with so I'm more of the thought that eccm should be reviewed to be strengthened (than ecm being nerfed) because at the moment one eccm doesn't really work all that well against a falcon/rook/kitsune using racials on you. There should be a way to counter ecm more effectively without giving up multiple slots to do so.

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