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V1kingos
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Posted - 2008.11.19 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 01/09/2008 17:50:34 Advanced Probing
... very interesting stuff ...
When Missionrunners Fight Back
Once in awhile a missioner will think they're clever and try to stop you. The following is a partial list of what they do and how I deal with it.
-They pop wrecks. Not too much you can do here, he's hoping you'll leave. Just stay around and force him to pop all the wrecks. You wont make much, but this will **** him off and sometimes he'll just stop and realizing that having the loot is better than having nothing at all. Warping off when they do this just teaches missioners they can get rid of you easily, which is NOT something you want. Ideally, they'll feel it's futile to even try because you wont be leaving either way.
-Has an alt salvaging. Just beat the alt to the good wrecks. Either use your fast salvage ship to get to the good (The large) wrecks fast, or just circle around the guy and ninja the wrecks just before they come into his salvage range. Your ship should be MUCH faster than his.
I'm an idiot ehr sorry I mean I'm a missionrunner. Actually I don't know why so many people imply with their writing that mission runners and miners are carebears or some sort of people who are to nice to be fit for the REAL THING!!! ^^ Must be some sort of pre-industrial age Tarzan shout. Sometimes I love to run missions or mining. Although mining days are very sparse among the year. I usually love to run missions or mine in times there is something I want to thing or listen to some music while having my hands and heads a little bit occupied. Since Missionrunning and Mining is so dull it is sometimes simply the perfect thing. OK, in case you don't understand the last senteces then it is time to read something different than my post. Please don't respond. Don't even try to convince me that gaming is something serious, where I have to be 100% concentrated on. OK, let's come back to the state of the brain a mission runner typically has. Remember it's a dull job. So after a couple of missions his brain is so full of dullness that every attraction - even ones of evil minded people like salvage pirats or high sec suicide gankers - are highly welcome. So here comes the salage pirate and "HEY! That's my salvage!" Even if don't plan to salvage it. But why is this little bastard STEALING my hardly worked for salvage (ok, I don't have a salvager equipped, but this guy can't know that). "OK, although I'm a carebear and I'm too good for the REAL THING, I will allow this awfull manners of yours!" "YOU HERE ME?" OK, I will start to pop the wrecks. COOL man. Even better if the little bugger is staying. I never intended to loot the stuff. So let's wait until the little bugger comes in salvaging range and then POP, hehe. Even better if the guy is not leaving after the first POPs. I meand that's a fun toy to play with. As an alternativ I bring in my ALT I fitted some months ago in order to salvage loot. The bugger flys a nanod destroyer with salvage rigs and Salvage at 5. You know how fast the bugger can salvage? That's even more frustrating. In case my little Salvage bugger is slower than you, well, there is this Large Tachy II canon here on my along with 3 other Large Tachy II cannons. They are so fast and precise with POPPING little cans. It's so - how shall I say - heart refreshing evil that I love it.
So I plee: - Please attract more Salvage-Pirats - Motivate them not to leave after the Carebear missionsrunner pops some wrecks - Tell them to bring in their friends (one salvage pirate is really no challenge, but with let's say 3 of them I probably have to run an faction AB on my Nightmare, Golem, Pala or whatever I'm flying on that day).
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Suga H
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.19 13:15:00 -
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I've had two salvage thieves appear in my time missioning. Both around dodixie. Scared one of them off by locking them. The other warped into the next room before I went in to kill the rats, I followed and found a silly thief's wreck.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.11.19 14:09:00 -
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Here. Let me edit your post, so that we can understand what you're saying...
Originally by: V1kingos I'm an idiot
QFT.
Originally by: V1kingos Sometimes I love to run missions or mining. Since Missionrunning and Mining is so dull it is sometimes simply the perfect thing.
Umm, yeah. Got it.
Originally by: V1kingos But why is this little bastard STEALING my hardly worked for salvage (ok, I don't have a salvager equipped, but this guy can't know that). OK, I will start to pop the wrecks. COOL man.
You do that... LOL.
Originally by: V1kingos As an alternativ I bring in my ALT I fitted some months ago in order to salvage loot. The bugger flys a nanod destroyer with salvage rigs and Salvage at 5. You know how fast the bugger can salvage? That's even more frustrating.
Destroyers are NOT Salvaging ships. I know how fast that bugger can salvage, and I know I'm faster than he is. Try on my rigged Malediction for size. I'll be the guy salvaging the wrecks from your tractor beams.
Nano'd Destroyer... LMAO.
Originally by: V1kingos In case my little Salvage bugger is slower than you, well, there is this Large Tachy II canon here on my along with 3 other Large Tachy II cannons. They are so fast and precise with POPPING little cans. It's so - how shall I say - heart refreshing evil that I love it.
So, you ARE salvaging, and now you're popping your cans, and losing the salvage you "worked" for. That's funny. I think I'll just stick around your Mission a little longer. It's not costing me anything, and I'm collecting your tears in local while you do it.
Originally by: V1kingos So I plee:
Plea?
Originally by: V1kingos - Please attract more Salvage-Pirats
That's "Ninja Salvager", thank you very much. Get it right.
Originally by: V1kingos - Motivate them not to leave after the Carebear missionsrunner pops some wrecks
Originally by: V1kingos - Tell them to bring in their friends (one salvage pirate is really no challenge, but with let's say 3 of them I probably have to run an faction AB on my Nightmare, Golem, Pala or whatever I'm flying on that day).
You haven't seen me. Trust me - you can't handle one of me, and you certainly won't be handling three (or more) of my Corpmates. Oh, and by the way, I'd like to see what your Nightmare (ooh!), Golem (aah!) OR Paladin (err!) can do against my Inty... ...if you can get in range, or even track it, of course.
I must thank you for the enjoyable post, however. It's been a while since I've read something so... ...unintelligent.
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0rch1d
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.11.19 14:28:00 -
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I enjoy watching missionbears consign to oblivion loot and salvage that is worth millions. We come for the profit but stay for the show.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2008.11.24 20:54:00 -
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I don't understand what the big deal is. This game is set up differently than most MMOs. These are the rules. If you don't want someone else to salvage your mission wrecks, then it's up to YOU to deal with it. You figure out exactly how you combat it and go to it. If you succeed, all that stuff is yours. If you didn't, then it's still a free-for-all.
If I go into low-sec, I do so knowing that I am fair game for hostiles. I've been blown up (and podded) once. Yeah, I made note of those responsible, but I'm not getting irate over it and taking it personally, because it's just how the game works. Same with can flipping. I jetcan mine when I'm solo. So far nobody has stolen my ore, but it might happen. If it does, it does; I made the choice to mine that way.
By the way, I love the guide. I don't ninja salvage, but it certainly has told me how to use recon probes (I already do exploration so I knew about the scan probes) and how to set up a salvage ship. Good hunting to you all! ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
Hormah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.27 12:15:00 -
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Look, quite frankly, if you want a totally unchallenging and uncompetitive game, play WoW and quit *****ing about how some guy has taken 50k worth of salvage from a couple wrecks and how it is ruining your gaming experience and how he is the reason people quit the game and he needs to be smited by CCP (since you are obviously not able to do anything about it). Harden the **** up carebears. That is how the game is played, if you don't like it then find a way to fix it and stop expecting someone else to fix it for you.
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Pax Scindus
Gallente Caldari Deep Space Ventures Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.29 16:25:00 -
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I really do enjoy the thought of Ninja Salvaging. For some reason, my character already has all the scan probe and salvaging skills I think Id need to start... I guess I trained for some long-forgotten goal, and neglected to follow through. Perhaps its time to try yet another profession! Y'all from Suddenly Ninjas are alright in my book. Pretty sure my new corp wouldnt like me ninja-in', but meh. Happy hunting.
-Pax ----------------------------------------- Pax de magnus vis vires e solum via. Without strength, there can be no peace.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.11.29 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 29/11/2008 18:51:29
There are some strangely -bad- ninjas out there. I cringe every time I hear of someone ninjaing in a destroyer.
But yeah, a well-fit ninja will easily outsalvage any boat that relies on tractor beams...most of the time. If the ninja does not have high salvage skills, no salvage rigs, in a t1 frig etc...and the missioner is in a marauder with a pimped salvage fit (salvage tackle rigs) then he stands a chance of getting maybe 20-40% of the salvage...maybe.
Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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Narus
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Posted - 2008.12.29 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Narus on 29/12/2008 23:56:25 lulz
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Jirock
Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.31 00:26:00 -
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What i dont understand is this.
mission runners whine that we are taking their money (because they would of salvaged etc after the mission has finished) Now, when it comes to lvl 4's, you can easily spend an hour (okay, maybe not that long, but it feels like it) looting an what not. so lets say you double the mission value by doing this.....
um, how slow are you doing the missions for isk/hour to make it worth it if you are on your own? even when theres a group it can be a slow process.
thats right whining mission runners, you are doing it wrong.
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Michael Woodard
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Posted - 2008.12.31 04:52:00 -
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I have found this thread very entertaining heck it even encouraged me to want to train up my astrometric skills and probes. I also wanted to know what would be a good salvaging ship to use that is gallente if its possible to use one as a salvager.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.12.31 06:32:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 31/12/2008 06:32:46
Quote: I have found this thread very entertaining heck it even encouraged me to want to train up my astrometric skills and probes. I also wanted to know what would be a good salvaging ship to use that is gallente if its possible to use one as a salvager.
An Atron would work pretty well. Most of the t1 interceptor frigs are good. I've heard some say that the Incursus is better. It's still just as agile and fast when fitted right, and has 4 highs for salvagers. An interceptor would be even better
Up to you, really. Anything small and fast. Ideally you should be able to permarun an ABII
Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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Claire Cyrille
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:08:00 -
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i've used my dramiel fitted with an imp cloak 2 and a deadspace afterburner. works well enough and it makes the missioners get madder at me. it makes me lol
i've done quite a good deal of missioning too, been probed out my fair share, sure its irritating, but its not like i salvage the wrecks anyways unless its sansha or angels. let the salvage thieves take the wrecks, it cuts down on lag anyways. less lag = win!
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Claire Cyrille
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: Claire Cyrille on 31/12/2008 14:10:50 jeez. these double/triple posts cause of bad internet are driving me mad
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Claire Cyrille i've used my dramiel fitted with an imp cloak 2 and a deadspace afterburner. works well enough and it makes the missioners get madder at me. it makes me lol
Have we met?
I've just fit up a nice Dramiel, with dual OD II and a Nano II low, Gistii B-Type 1MN AB and Small Shield Extender II mid, and three Salvager I, one Small Tractor Beam I and one Prototype Cloaking Device I high... ...oh yeah, and don't forget the three Salvage Tackle I rigs.
Nothing beats the "Prestige" Salvage fit, eh? (In fact, we're having a challenge on our Forums right now for who has the 'nicest' Prestige Salvage Ship.)
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Dedalus77
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.12.31 15:24:00 -
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Personally I spent my isk on my scan ship, going with a covert ops Buzzard and T2 Cloak so I can scan down missioners without them knowing. Then I return in my cheap as dirt salvager, it's fast enough that I beat most mission runners to the salvage (if they are salvaging) and I can perma-run my AB. If the missioner left any NPCs floating around (which seems to be a new trend) I'm not worried about losing an expensive ship, I think my total build cost is around 40,000 isk excluding the salvage rigs which I make myself.
Perhaps someday when I have enough of a bankroll I'll go with a prestige salvager, but for now I kind of like going with my little tin can.
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Matt Anar
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Posted - 2009.01.01 10:47:00 -
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I thought about using a Buzzard as scanner and salavager. But is it really worth it? It would take me about a month to learn the needed skills.. Can you warp into the mission while cloaked and cloak again between wrecks?
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.01.01 12:54:00 -
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Scanner? Yes, definitely worth it. Salvager? Perhaps. Cargo hold is low, but aside from metal scraps salvage is tiny. You can cloak again in the mission space as long as nothing is within 2000 meters, but there are often structures, rocks, or even gas clouds that prevent you from cloaking. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
Dedalus77
Junkyard Dogs
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Posted - 2009.01.01 15:50:00 -
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I wouldn't bother using the Buzzard as a salvager, it's not fast enough nor does it have enough high slots to fit enough salvagers. For your scan ship you want something that gives a bonus to astrometric skills and for your salvager you want the fastest frigate you can get your hands on (which is why some folks now use interceptors).
The other thing about using the Buzzard as a salvager is that it's expensive, as is the T2 cloak you fit it with, so it's kind of risky hanging around a mission with it, especially if there are active NPCs.
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Corporal Fyarr
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Posted - 2009.01.01 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 31/12/2008 06:32:46
Quote: I have found this thread very entertaining heck it even encouraged me to want to train up my astrometric skills and probes. I also wanted to know what would be a good salvaging ship to use that is gallente if its possible to use one as a salvager.
An Atron would work pretty well. Most of the t1 interceptor frigs are good. I've heard some say that the Incursus is better. It's still just as agile and fast when fitted right, and has 4 highs for salvagers. An interceptor would be even better
Up to you, really. Anything small and fast. Ideally you should be able to permarun an ABII
Hey thanks for the reply this should get me started in the right direction
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sirovai
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Posted - 2009.01.03 11:11:00 -
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So this is where the russians got their info. Thank you for destroying eve.
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Zaldoza
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.03 11:36:00 -
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Had a guy ninja salvaging me after Buzz Kill mission yesterday,he was a little late though since cleared most of the wrecks.Still i didn't mind since that mission generate a s*** load of wrecks...Cant really get mad at those guys,its not like they ruin my mission..
Zaldoc...Miner Zaldoza..Mission Runner
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.01.03 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: sirovai So this is where the russians got their info. Thank you for destroying eve.
Cry more.
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Noe Saked
Minmatar The Brave 600
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Posted - 2009.01.03 19:56:00 -
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hehe good stuff. Gl with the ninja-ing
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Dred 'Morte
New European Regiment R.U.R.
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Posted - 2009.01.03 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dred ''Morte on 03/01/2009 23:10:57 Question: is it not more profitable to ninja salvage in 0.0? Like the old days when you would ninja mine crokite in a Probe near Empire! Seriously, there are plenty of zones of 0.0 where ratters fill entire systems of large wrecks. Of corse, you may be chased by interceptors but that's the whole risk vs reward thing.
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SirMoric
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.04 07:38:00 -
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All that work, why don't you just ask me where I am. I don't salvage myself, and you can have it all, if you want.
See you in space.
Rgds
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Salena Ferrier
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Posted - 2009.01.04 13:41:00 -
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I also don't mind the occasional salvager showing up etc. However, just had one come in and take my Mission Objective which really screwed me up. He can have salvage and loot but why take the objective? Makes me lose standings with Corp which is hard to get in the first place. Don't care about the isk. Starting to lose what little respect I did have for the Ninja salvagers.
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Salena Ferrier
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Posted - 2009.01.04 13:46:00 -
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Did I mention it was a member of Suddenly Ninjas that stole my Mission Objective - 5 corpses - what are they worth?...lol.
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Vienna Gates
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.04 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Salena Ferrier Did I mention it was a member of Suddenly Ninjas that stole my Mission Objective - 5 corpses - what are they worth?...lol.
I seriously love those guys.
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JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.01.05 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Salena Ferrier Did I mention it was a member of Suddenly Ninjas that stole my Mission Objective - 5 corpses - what are they worth?...lol.
mighta been one of the newer members- corp veterans rarely do that stuff.
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