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Cartheron Crust
14th Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.23 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sigul Siento Here's a free gloat for you sad pandas:
Victim: Sigul Siento Corp: Sebiestor tribe Alliance: NONE Faction: NONE Destroyed: Cheetah Damage Taken: 2526
Involved parties:
Name: Toxic Cloud Environment / Unknown (laid the final blow) Damage Done: 2526
This is the second Cheetah I loose to this mission (recon 3/3, a lvl 4 storyline). The cloud is only supposed to hit every 20s according to eve-survival, but the second hit came just a handful of seconds after the first (which I survived). Just about managed to start the warpout, but too late. On a couple of other occasions I've managed to escape before the second hit.
I thought of moving, but many of the other popular systems have storyline agents as well (and I guess you'd need there to be no storyline agents in neighboring systems either to be safe), so any tips on how to avoid this? Any good cov-op setups that could survive 2 blasts?
Scan the hit with your directional scanner (it will take you all of a few seconds to align the camera, change the angle and the distance). If there are no wrecks there, there is no point in going there (if you are only after loot/salvage antics), go about your other hits instead. You can check that hit in another minute or so, if you have nothing else to do, to see if there are any wrecks. If not you can safely assume it's a mission like recon or one of the others where you don't actually have to kill anything. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.01.23 21:52:00 -
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Fit a DCII/Shield extenders on your scanship if you can. That would also help.
As for a minmatar ship: I'm personally partial to the Slasher. Slightly slower than the vigil, but a lot more agile. |
BigFleb
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.01.25 17:02:00 -
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I've been using a stabber as a recon scan/salvage combo, works pretty good for me.
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Val Karan
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Posted - 2009.01.26 02:44:00 -
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cant you fit and run a dcu ii to avoid having your life crushed out of you by toxic clouds?
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Riedle
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Riedle on 26/01/2009 17:17:17
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Myranda Lexor
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:44:00 -
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A LIITLE WORKAROUND FOR N.S.
;) nice thread. yea i know its unlikely when some people do ninja salvaging amd you dont have the rights to kill them. but when ccp dont chaged that you can do nothing. we have a salvager right in fleet so there is nothing they can salvage. a little workaround for people who are angry to some of that ninjas is to take an alt-char to blow them up in high-sec yea CONCORD will come yea you lose your ship, BUT YOU KILL THEM and your fleet getting no aggro.
best regards my alternate
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:59:00 -
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If you use a disposable alt, then that's petitionable.
If you mean a real alt, then go ahead...even if I don't warp out in time (then return shortly later to salvage your CONCORDed wreck), then salvage ships are dirt cheap anyway...and I'll be back in 5 mins with a newly fit one to get your wreck AND finish salvaging the mission.
Suicide ganking isn't really a good ninjacounter. The best counter is to start *****ing and whining in local and talk as much smack as possible. We absolutely hate that. |
Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.02.10 18:03:00 -
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As a newer ninja salvager myself, I must say that I aprove of this thread. However with the new expansion and complete changes to scanning, it should make scanning much more fun. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.02.10 20:21:00 -
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Also, FYI: I will be getting on Sisi with some corpmates to test the new scanning system and see how it relates to the art of the ninja so I can update the guide as needed. Also, potentially adding some advanced ninja techniques pioneered by myself and Suddenly Ninjas members at some point.
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.02.10 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden Also, FYI: I will be getting on Sisi with some corpmates to test the new scanning system and see how it relates to the art of the ninja so I can update the guide as needed. Also, potentially adding some advanced ninja techniques pioneered by myself and Suddenly Ninjas members at some point.
I came up with a good idea that works really well...know of only one of person that has thought of this. Not sure if I want to share it with the public. But I'd love to share with Suddenly Ninjas. Look for my Mail later on.
CCP Atlas - The Short Story - "With Quantum Rise, we kind of messed up the performance of the EVE client."
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Circle
Caldari Eat Ship and Die
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Posted - 2009.02.10 22:19:00 -
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Ninja Salvaging = A carebears carebear?!
Roflcopter I love that one.
(stolen from i dont remember who) Testing |
Myranda Lexor
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Posted - 2009.02.11 10:12:00 -
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Its areal ALT of my Account ;) And i have a PvP Char for Low Sec Missioning, but when i do Missions in High Sec and somebody steal i give a d*** s*** what the N.ature S.ekt People like or not ;).
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.03 20:31:00 -
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"OMG YOU STOLE MY PIXELS! GIVE EM BACK!!!!11!"
----------------------------------- "What can go wrong, will go wrong." |
9axle
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:18:00 -
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Hmmmm. I learned something here. I never bothered to learn salvage, but I think I will. As far as ninja salvaging, not really my style. Its like the wild, the lion makes the kill, takes what he wants (loot), and the vultures and carrion beetles fight over the scraps. As long as the loot and mission specific stuff go to the missioner, I don't have a problem with them, stay out of my way, leave my stuff alone, and do what you have to do.
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Shamistrudel
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Posted - 2009.03.14 10:58:00 -
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I don't have a huge problem with ninjas stealing salvage, but a few days ago I was running AE in Sasoutikh... I'd just finished the fourth gate when a ninja dropped in. I found he'd stripped the first three gates and THEN he ran gate five, killing the big rat and finishing the mission. Dad nabbit, I wanted to run that again after DT. -- You are currently training Empathy (level IV). Do you want to train Controlled Bursts?
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.03.15 05:10:00 -
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Yarr. Edited the Scanning section. It now contains a link to the EVELOPEDIA page on scanning, as well as a video guide I recorded tonight. The video's not great so I may rerecord it at some point.
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Laedy
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:59:00 -
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Heya thanks heaps for updating this. I've been finding this new scanning system pretty challenging for finding ships tbh, but I just watched the video and it's cleared up a lot of things for me. Very clear and straightforward guide. Cheers!
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Khalia Nestune
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Posted - 2009.03.19 11:43:00 -
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This guide is awesome (and the responses here). I started doing some ninja salvage in an Amarr L4 mission hub and made about 20mil profit so far. I'm still fairly new so that's good money for me.
Best fun was when I Drake mission runner targeted me but wouldn't fire, then started shooting the wrecks. I orbited him at 500m until he warped off, most likely in disgust. Good times.
Does Suddenly Ninjas accept anyone? :D
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Dzil
Caldari Apache Research Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Dzil on 19/03/2009 16:21:24 Interesting guide. Question - there's obviously people like me that don't always take time to salvage their missions. In the motsu's and dodixies of the universe, to only advantages I can see you gaining doing it this way are:
1. You enjoy the carebear tears (admit it, you do). 2. You gain valuable practice probing, so that at a later point you can do it outside of empire with darker ambitions in mind.
I would think if your motive was just profit, you'd simply broadcast your services for salvage, skip probing and warp straight to the runner, etc. Besides, you might get to loot it too that way. So why ninja salvage?
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.03.19 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Dzil Edited by: Dzil on 19/03/2009 16:21:24 Interesting guide. Question - there's obviously people like me that don't always take time to salvage their missions. In the motsu's and dodixies of the universe, to only advantages I can see you gaining doing it this way are:
1. You enjoy the carebear tears (admit it, you do). 2. You gain valuable practice probing, so that at a later point you can do it outside of empire with darker ambitions in mind.
I would think if your motive was just profit, you'd simply broadcast your services for salvage, skip probing and warp straight to the runner, etc. Besides, you might get to loot it too that way. So why ninja salvage?
Your question is answered by statement #1. They enjoy messing with other people. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.03.19 18:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 19/03/2009 18:41:45
Quote: Does Suddenly Ninjas accept anyone? :D
Yup
Quote: Interesting guide. Question - there's obviously people like me that don't always take time to salvage their missions. In the motsu's and dodixies of the universe, to only advantages I can see you gaining doing it this way are:
1. You enjoy the carebear tears (admit it, you do). 2. You gain valuable practice probing, so that at a later point you can do it outside of empire with darker ambitions in mind.
I would think if your motive was just profit, you'd simply broadcast your services for salvage, skip probing and warp straight to the runner, etc. Besides, you might get to loot it too that way. So why ninja salvage?
Part of it is that I do enjoy the tears. There's something about grown men throwing tempter tantrums that they made slightly fewer spacebucks this hour than they would have normally in a competitive PVP game that amuses me.
Another part of it is that it's fun. It -is- profitable, and a good income source. Yes, missionrunning would be more profitable, but I play videogames to amuse myself, not to grind a second job.
Granted, if you're in it for the profit, I would not recommend Dodixie. Serpentis and Guristas salvage. Eeeeeeww.
With the new probing system, it's considerably easy to make a living ninjaing outside the main hubs. If you need money, going down to minmatar or amarr space can be quite good. Also, if you can fit a decent gankship and/or are willing to risk having to abandon due to MR fire, loot can add a lot to one's income.
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Cade Morrigan
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.19 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Cade Morrigan on 19/03/2009 21:10:20
Originally by: Kahega Amielden Another part of it is that it's fun. It -is- profitable, and a good income source. Yes, missionrunning would be more profitable, but I play videogames to amuse myself, not to grind a second job.
He was getting at this point though... wouldn't you get more profit by asking mission runners if you can come loot/salvage rather than just salvage? Or do you also do this and just probe mission runners when you're feeling evil ;) /edit to fix quote |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.03.19 21:30:00 -
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Quote: He was getting at this point though... wouldn't you get more profit by asking mission runners if you can come loot/salvage rather than just salvage? Or do you also do this and just probe mission runners when you're feeling evil ;)
For one, no. Most loot/salvage themselves, and most of those few that don't wouldn't bother creating a bookmark and giving it to me. For two, having to actually probe them down and see their (Feeble) attempts to fight back is interesting. Having one of them shoot me and then coming back in my gank pest is even better
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.03.30 20:00:00 -
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Just went through and did some general cleanup and clarification. Clarified ship types, new criteria on selecting a system (As you don't necessarily need a hub post-apocrypha), info on the different types of wrecks, and how to use the d-scanner to your advantage in the new system.
As always, I welcome any suggestions you may have.
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Cukaz Nikanoru
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Posted - 2009.03.31 01:01:00 -
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So this topic is eleventy billion pages long and i didnt read it all, however i did see what Oldin said about wrecks belonging to blah blah and if you want to do something about it move to low sec blah blah... Well if you feel that saying "move to low sec, and then you COULD shoot the people salvaging your wrecks" then why do people get flags for looting said wrecks? Seems a contradiction that if the way to solve the problem of a ninja salvager is to go to an area where you are free to attack them for any reason, and yet not have the same solution for a ninja looter. The looter gets flagged for his transgression, and thus if the wreck truely belongs to no one, why not allow them to loot and salvage at no penalty, and then just say "if you dont like it move to low sec" ?
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.03.31 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 31/03/2009 01:05:54 The wreck belongs to no one. The items within, do.
I can't be assed to bring out all of CCP's quotes on the matter. Oh wait, yes I can
Per GM Faolchu : Originally by: GM Faolchu Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.
Per Senior GM Ytterbium : Originally by: GM Ytterbium Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.
Per CCP Prism X : Originally by: CCP Prism X Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.
(These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)
Thanks to Marlenus for keeping many (But by no means all) of the dev responses handy in one link
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Angelos
Gateway Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.31 01:30:00 -
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I still don't understand the point to ninja salvaging. You go to all that work to get only a small portion of the profit from missions, instead of just running the missions yourself and get the whole shabang? It's almost as bad as cargo traps to pop noobs. There's nothing to gain except a bad reputation.
Good reputations buy you friends. Friends do missions. Hey look, steady supply of wrecks to salvage now!
1. Be nice 2. ???? 3. Profit!
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.03.31 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 31/03/2009 01:40:59
Quote: I still don't understand the point to ninja salvaging. You go to all that work to get only a small portion of the profit from missions, instead of just running the missions yourself and get the whole shabang? It's almost as bad as cargo traps to pop noobs. There's nothing to gain except a bad reputation.
You can swoop in, loot/salvage, and get out faster than a missionrunner can clear an entire field. If I'm dedicated, I can make 20 mil/hour usually, so profit's not an issue.
I -could- make more, but that's assuming I want to. I play EVE for fun/hour, not ISK/hour
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Good reputations buy you friends. Friends do missions. Hey look, steady supply of wrecks to salvage now!
1. Be nice 2. ???? 3. Profit!
Why the hell would I want a bunch of mission grinders as my only friends? Besides, I have a plentiful supply of wrecks...and my corp/I aren't really hated outside a bunch of missiongrinders (+ we ****ed off a PVP corp, but only because one of their members got butthurt when a mission was ninjaed). As a general rule, anyone who would start raging at someone salvaging is not the type of person I want to associate with -anyway-
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Angelos
Gateway Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.31 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
You can swoop in, loot/salvage, and get out faster than a missionrunner can clear an entire field. If I'm dedicated, I can make 20 mil/hour usually, so profit's not an issue.
I -could- make more, but that's assuming I want to. I play EVE for fun/hour, not ISK/hour
If you enjoy looting, you can do it faster and for more money by mining. It's practically the same exact thing. Mission runners make 4x what you make, at least, per hour. Ninja salvaging compared to a real profession in EVE is like comparing a fast food worker with a banker.
Hope you enjoy your paper hat.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.03.31 01:52:00 -
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Quote: If you enjoy looting, you can do it faster and for more money by mining. It's practically the same exact thing. Mission runners make 4x what you make, at least, per hour.
It's not even close to the same thing, and no mission runner makes 4x what I do in an hour. Not that it matters Quote:
Ninja salvaging compared to a real profession in EVE is like comparing a fast food worker with a banker.
And missiongrinding compared to a real profession in EVE is like comparing cutting trees for lumber with playing a videogame.
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