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Mintala Arana
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sinner Greed Rarely a problem if he circles me.
Actually, I think the point was that the ninja may just go around you to get to the wreck, not that he might orbit you. Here's how that works:
Your ninja is in some quick little frigate like a Vigil that's fitted for max speed, so he'll do somewhere around 1800 m/s at full tilt. If the wreck is at the edge of your tractor range, it's going to take you 30 seconds to get it in range of your salvagers. It's going to take the ninja about 8 seconds from a dead stop to get within salvaging range of that same wreck, considering you're kindly pulling it toward him. So he orbits it and gets two full cycles and the start of a third before you're even able to activate your salvagers.
Popping wrecks? As far as I'm concerned, sure, go ahead. I've already spent most of the time it takes me to ninja a mission (the scan time) at the point where you decide to do that. I'll get the odd cycle in, and that means I'll get something for my trouble. You won't.
As for the rest, well, I don't know any of the fine folks at CCP personally, but I'm pretty sure they like the way the mini-profession of salvaging works today, and they like the player interaction that results. They don't see anything as being broken, so I don't think they're going to get rid of salvage any time soon.
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Sinner Greed
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: Sinner Greed on 16/04/2009 21:09:48 I could honestly care less if I lose out on isk. It's a god damn game. Who cares? Besides, I still make more isk than the ninja salvager anyway. With my gank-build of a Rail-mega I use, I usually leave my wrecks anyway. It takes me about 30-seconds to salvage them including tractor-time, 5 seconds to pop a Serpent Cruiser worth the same amount as a trit bar. Meaning I lose nothing from popping the wrecks, and since I can instapop wrecks, odds are the ninja doesn't get anything either. I could care less whether I lose money or not. I just want to make their lives a little poorer. They want to grief me, go ahead. I don't care. Just as long as you don't make too much money off it either.
There is also the fact that if he does go around me to get to the wrecks, I'll just shoot at two different things at different sides and let him go for one or the other, either way I get one. But again, I rarely worry about wrecks anyway, they're worthless when you kill fast enough and don't need any rigs.
Seriously, if you want salvages, just ask. I'll be more than happy to let you take all mine. No joke. Just follow me around and take it all. No sense in going after someone that actually wants the wrecks when you can tag along with someone that doesn't need em.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:14:00 -
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Quote: I could care less whether I lose money or not. I just want to make their lives a little poorer. They want to grief me, go ahead. I don't care. Just as long as you don't make too much money off it either.
Bolding the funny part. Can't say the destruction of any spacetrash in my internets video game has "made my life a little poorer"
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Sinner Greed
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: Sinner Greed on 16/04/2009 22:01:48 Meh. That's salvageable stuff they couldn't have. Its presence made no difference to me in any case, whereas they went through the trouble of not only tracking me down, but going for the wreck. Either (ISK) they wanted it, and they lose it, or (Grief) neither of us really wanted it, in which case all I did was alleviate 1 tiny chunk of server-lag, nobody cares, and we all go our merry little ways.
I get the feeling you guys are really trying to provoke an argument here, or at least incite a reaction, as such, this is the last message I post on this thread. I'm sure you all understand the sentiment, I don't like getting caught by trolls. And I'd hate to become one ;)
Good luck, have fun, be it with ninjaing, or missioning.
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Dotard
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.04.17 00:14:00 -
[455]
Originally by: Sinner Greed
Seriously, if you want salvages, just ask. I'll be more than happy to let you take all mine. No joke. Just follow me around and take it all. No sense in going after someone that actually wants the wrecks when you can tag along with someone that doesn't need em.
Now where's the fun in that?
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BlindBleu
Gallente Freedom-Technologies
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Posted - 2009.04.17 03:02:00 -
[456]
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
No halfway decent ninja will let you get half the wrecks. He's faster than you, and he's more agile than you, and he probably has better skills/salvage equipment than you.
Hmm there seems to a fairly large number of Ninja Salvager Dilettantes piloting around then....
Since they are not coming up to your standards, could you conduct training for them so they can? Every Plan lasts until the first shot is fired. "I have a Plan, a good one." Generally means it is not. If Yellow it get a Fellow Killed |
Bullageddon
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.17 04:36:00 -
[457]
Someone brighten my day and tell me CCP broke scanning trying to placate the crybaby WH explorers.
=== This Space For Lease or Sale. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.18 04:35:00 -
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Quote:
Hmm there seems to a fairly large number of Ninja Salvager Dilettantes piloting around then....
Since they are not coming up to your standards, could you conduct training for them so they can?
I've actually been tempted. I've heard stories of some very bad ninjas.
Quote:
Someone brighten my day and tell me CCP broke scanning trying to placate the crybaby WH explorers.
works fine for me.
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Sir Zzang
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.04.18 08:49:00 -
[459]
Originally by: Bullageddon Someone brighten my day and tell me CCP broke scanning trying to placate the crybaby WH explorers.
Works fine too, hell it's even better to bookmark now scanned ship and go back to station for your hi-end salvager :) _ :D! |
Caleb Fury
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Posted - 2009.04.29 23:03:00 -
[460]
Originally by: Sir Zzang
Originally by: Bullageddon Someone brighten my day and tell me CCP broke scanning trying to placate the crybaby WH explorers.
Works fine too, hell it's even better to bookmark now scanned ship and go back to station for your hi-end salvager :)
I can vouch for this. One really cool thing me and some buddies do, is I will be the dedicated scanner and find the prospects. Once I do, I will jettison the bookmark and pass it out. While they are looting and salvaging, I will continue probing the system. We will do this for awhile and at the end, gather it all together and split the proceeds. I have a grand master plan tho. Simultaneous multi-system looting. Mwuahahahaa!!
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.29 23:27:00 -
[461]
Great guide.
Salvaging is a profession. Much like mining, mission running and piracy. It's a legitimate, PLANNED FOR mechanic by CCP. Some players like to annoy you or call it 'ninja salvaging', just cause, hell, anything with ninja in it sounds cooler. Just look: ninja gerbils. Already, 100x more awesome.
That said, again, salvaging is a profession. Those players have every right to the salvage in any system as you do to killing NPC's, or someone else to mining asteroids.
If you try to hate on them for doing a legal, CCP endorsed activity, you deserve the ridicule and scrutiny attached to you.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.30 02:01:00 -
[462]
FYI, Scanning is currently bugged. Adding workaround to the top of the guide.
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Caroll Yanaki
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Posted - 2009.04.30 14:57:00 -
[463]
It's a role-playing game and everyone has to play a role of his choosing. It's the first thing people should understand. And a great deal of people in this game don't understand that. That's why they whine. Or do they? Perhaps this is their role in this game.
So I have a role too.
My character's name is Caroll Yanaki. I'm a hybrid. Engineer and Mission Runner. I run missions in Motsu. I don't have alts. I'm from Bulgaria. My role is to play this game both for helping people and to earn faction standings which will make me popular across the empire I reside in and it will open every single agent as well. I have been training skills for an year already just to be able to work with the most elite agents I can get. Because they give me most money and most Loyalty Points. Half of my time I spend to contribute to my Corp and my mates with whatever I can. Therefore I need all the salvage and all the asteroids out there which are available. That's how I get my kick in this game. I like to make my mates feel good by helping them. And I know they will do the same for me. That's how I earn respect in this game. I mind my own business. I respect other people's privacy, ownership and hard work. I have never stolen anything from anybody. Both in RL and EVE. I don't care what CCP says about the salvage materials. I need them all, because I both make ISK and help my Corpmates by building rigs. Therefore I consider each and every ninja salvager a person who makes all my hard work and trained skills, as well as game time for which I pay with real money, a waste of time. And since I don't get into other people's privacy, I demand to be treated from other people the same way. I have been ninjaed, I have been even baited by a character, who blew my ship up. Why did I get blown up? Because I shot the guy who was stealing my loot. Why did I shoot him? Because I am a normal human being. And every normal human being should stand up and defend his property. Not run. I never whine in local. I might challenge and joke you, but I will not whine. And I will not congratulate you as well. Because, again, I'm a normal human being. And whenever I get the chance, I will stand and fight you. I will try to use all the resources available in this game to fight you. If I can't beat you, I will call for help. Because, again, I'm a normal human being. And normal human beings don't just stand there, doing nothing. At one point, they have enough and they have to draw the line. Who are you to deny me the access to the most rewarding agents in the game? Who are you to make me run to lesser agents just to be on the safe spot? Who are you to tell me to swallow it and to accept the fact that everyone can scan me and try to steal from me? Who are you to call me a carebear? Do you know me? What business do you have with me? Did I make your life miserable? Do I tell you how to live your life and where to go in this universe? If other people's misery in this game is the one thing that makes you happy, I really feel sorry for you. People will never love you. If they are weaker than you, they will fear you. And if they are stronger than you, they will ignore you, because you are a lesser man. And you will never earn a real respect. Never. I know you will laugh at me and you will tell me I'm talking nonsense, but deep down inside you know what I'm talking about. One day you will be alone. And I will not run. I will remain where I think I belong.
You all have your roles and your kicks. This is my role and my kick.
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.30 15:10:00 -
[464]
Originally by: Caroll Yanaki ... words ....
All fine and dandy.
That other player that just took your salvage? His role is a salavager. He cleans up the messes left by others in this war-torn galaxy. He needs that salvage to make money, and according to CONCORD, DED, and the laws of the individual Empires, the salvage left in space belongs to nobody. This is his chosen career. This is how he decides to play.
So he finds salvage wherever he can. Your mission? Possible. It's still salvage. It still belongs to nobody. That player knows the laws of this universe, and knows his rights. He starts collecting that salvage. And then you what, start berrating and threatening to blow him out of the sky? When you have absolutely no legal basis for doing so? Saying that it's somehow 'yours'?
Please, forgive me if I'm misunderstanding who's in the right and who's in the wrong in this scenario. Your being little better than a pirate, trying to threaten and coerce a player out of his hard work and earnings. Greedy, selfish, and most definitely wrong.
Where are you any different than that pirate who locks you down at a losec gate and calls for a ransom? How are you NOT becoming just like the criminals and thugs you so dispise?
That salvager, BY LAW (in game of course), is not a thief. He's a hardworking pod pilot doing a dirty job that needs done. Just because some pirate comes up to you, takes your ore can that you spent the last hour mining, and says it's his ... does that mean it is?
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Bullageddon
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.30 15:25:00 -
[465]
Originally by: Caroll Yanaki It's a role-playing game and everyone has to play a role of his choosing. >wall of text<
You're a carebear "pirate".
And a bad one at that. === This Space For Lease or Sale. |
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.30 15:29:00 -
[466]
Originally by: Bullageddon
Originally by: Caroll Yanaki It's a role-playing game and everyone has to play a role of his choosing. >wall of text<
You're a carebear "pirate".
And a bad one at that.
That's just an unnatural combination of words if I've ever seen one. Hahahahah ....
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BlindBleu
Gallente Freedom-Technologies
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Posted - 2009.04.30 15:43:00 -
[467]
Originally by: Bullageddon
Originally by: Caroll Yanaki It's a role-playing game and everyone has to play a role of his choosing. >wall of text<
You're a carebear "pirate".
And a bad one at that.
Paraphrase quote from "Roger Rabbit" "I'm not bad, I'm just piloted that way." Every Plan lasts until the first shot is fired. "I have a Plan, a good one." Generally means it is not. If Yellow it get a Fellow Killed |
Dedalus77
Junkyard Dogs Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.04.30 17:17:00 -
[468]
Originally by: Caroll Yanaki
I don't care what CCP says about the salvage materials. I need them all...
So just because you "need" it, that makes you entitled to it? I don't think so buddy, this is EVE, not national socialism.
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BlindBleu
Gallente Freedom-Technologies
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Posted - 2009.04.30 19:25:00 -
[469]
Originally by: Caroll Yanaki <snipppage>
You all have your roles and your kicks. This is my role and my kick.
The word has been used here Schadenfreude"It's a German term for "shameful joy", taking pleasure in the suffering of others"...also researchers have found that people with low self-esteem are more likely to feel schadenfreude than are people who have high self-esteem...
If you prepared to fight with them.
Shoot/blow up all wrecks that do not contain any loot.
Use your salvager(s) on any wrecks containing loot. You will get the salvage parts and the loot will appear in a container flagged as yours.
If they loot the container they will be red flagged for you.
Think of this as a form of PvP training. You will lose alot of ships, but you will get better at it, so they will lose more ships... Every Plan lasts until the first shot is fired. "I have a Plan, a good one." Generally means it is not. If Yellow it get a Fellow Killed |
Bullageddon
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.01 01:51:00 -
[470]
Originally by: BlindBleu
Originally by: Caroll Yanaki <snipppage>
You all have your roles and your kicks. This is my role and my kick.
The word has been used here Schadenfreude"It's a German term for "shameful joy", taking pleasure in the suffering of others"...also researchers have found that people with low self-esteem are more likely to feel schadenfreude than are people who have high self-esteem...
If you prepared to fight with them.
Shoot/blow up all wrecks that do not contain any loot.
Use your salvager(s) on any wrecks containing loot. You will get the salvage parts and the loot will appear in a container flagged as yours.
If they loot the container they will be red flagged for you.
Think of this as a form of PvP training. You will lose alot of ships, but you will get better at it, so they will lose more ships...
Yes, by all means, please please please do what the quoted says.
Any salvager knows to go for wrecks with loot on it first, thus losing the MR even more money if they decide to blow up wrecks.
As for me taking things and going flashy.. yeah, shoot me. I'll learn my lsesson. === This Space For Lease or Sale. |
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Imertu Solientai
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.01 15:40:00 -
[471]
Bump, because this guide needs to be up at the top. Very helpful.
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Medelock
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.01 21:23:00 -
[472]
For all the people saying the filters are all kinds of broken... yes, they are buggy sometimes where they show weird results until you resave the filter or show all, but the main change isn't a bug as far as I can tell.
Patch notes said they fixed the scan filters, which I originally thought was odd as they worked fine for me. Playing with it since the patch, I realized they made it a lot harder to filter just the specific ship type you want. With low signal strengths, the only thing you can filter is one of the major categories, as in whether it is a ship, a drone, or an anomaly. Beyond that, you need to get a signal strength of at least 25% that lets you see what class of ship something is before the filter will filter those dots in or out.
Right now, if you're using an old filter for just, say, battleships, sometimes a dot will suddenly disappear as you start to close in on it. This would be due to it being a frigate or industrial or whatever else. It'll reappear when you change back to show all. What I've done so stuff doesn't disappear is make a filter that just includes every ship so I can at least tell what it is that I didn't want to scan down and ignore it (yay new ignore result function).
I've discussed this with people in the ninja channel and they have confirmed this is what is happening, don't think Kahega has been there for those discussions though.
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Roger Coger
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Posted - 2009.05.05 16:34:00 -
[473]
Edited by: Roger Coger on 05/05/2009 16:34:07 Thanks for a guide, i enjoy poor carebears screaming and trying to shake me off xD
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Ice Fist
Internal Anarchy
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Posted - 2009.05.05 16:43:00 -
[474]
I attempted scanning for the first time last night on my alt. It was seriously enjoyable and I didn't find it buggy. Although if there was a bug, it would have to be false positives (i.e. the scan will finish and you'll hear the beep as if you've gotten a hit, but the scan results will be empty.) I had already figured out that when a scan completely fails that it says no scan results, but even this didn't happen. Anyway, I took it to mean that the scan was negative and moved on undeterred.
I'm really excited to keep experimenting, getting my first 100% strength hit was near euphoric lol, maybe a little overboard, but I enjoy the challenge of having to use your brain in the process of hunting someone down. As I didn't have my main near I ended up passing off my bookmarks on some other friendly ninja salvagers creating havoc in local.
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Bullageddon
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.08 01:27:00 -
[475]
this shouldn't be on page 3 === This Space For Lease or Sale. |
Maxwell Terallis
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:49:00 -
[476]
Something I've noticed in scanning is at an undetermined period, the moons / stations / gates will disappear from the solar system view. They're not visible by symbol and you cannot mouse over and have their names show up any longer.
Two questions:
Does anyone know the situation which causes this to occur?
Does anyone know a 'quick fix' for getting those names to return barring logging out and back in?
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Dotard
Minmatar Chaos Coalition Chaotic Evolution
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Posted - 2009.05.09 12:02:00 -
[477]
Originally by: Caroll Yanaki People will never love you.
Oh Noes!!
Meh.....They never did, so no loss there.
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Proditia
Minmatar R.T.Industrys
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Posted - 2009.05.10 02:21:00 -
[478]
For the mission runners out there, one of the best tactics I've seen is to have a designated salvager in the mission-group. I am a part-time N.S. and if I see a Dominix running all tractors/salvagers while his two Raven buddies kill NPCs, I will likely move onto another score (preferably a bot that won't even notice me, and possibly leave me his t2 drones). Granted I am not a very aggressive N-S.
Proditia
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.10 05:32:00 -
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That's entirely pointless.
If you circle the salvager, you can easily pick off the wrecks as he tractors them into you, as with proper maneuvering, you can get in salvage range first.
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Anluan
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Posted - 2009.05.14 18:41:00 -
[480]
Originally by: Myshella Drake
Originally by: Polly Prissypantz All the time and effort you clueless noobs put into stealing other peoples salvage could easily be put into something more useful... Like I don't know... Running your own missions and you'd actually make more ISK for your time to boot. But don't let my logical arguments get in the way of you being a jackass.
Your point is troll?, i can make more money on lvl 4s than i can mining in hulk but i still mine...does that make me a noob?
I guess the point is, your a ****ing idiot.
Oh yeah, and a thief. Face it -- all you losers trying to justify this by saying that CCP says it's 'not stealing' -- you know better. You are still capitilizing on someone elses efforts, against their will. A mission runner puts their time, effort, and isk into running a mission and you come along, safe from retaliation, and STEAL some of the fruits of their labor. **** YOU ALL, YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF THIEVES.
You are no better than the low-sec pirate s****that camp gates and shoot everyone who comes through. Bottom feeders, low-lifes, scumbags - not so much because you do the things you do, but because YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE it's OK!! that's what gets me....
Worse than a bunch of Catholics, I swear to God! :)
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