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Anubis Xian
Vertigo One
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Posted - 2008.04.24 06:47:00 -
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The issue with nanos is not every ship can do it, and the ships that can't can't do much to fight them 1v1. |
Shubs
Gallente D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.24 09:39:00 -
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Alternatively you could Cyno in some Sniping Dreads, I heard they work well against Nano's |
Squatdog
DROW Org Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.04.24 11:12:00 -
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1. Bring a Rapier. 2. Bring a Huginn.
You MUST bring one race's Recons to catch a nanofag? Awesome!
3. Bring a Curse.
They'll warp away once their cap gets low.
4. Bring warrior IIs.
Drones won't catch them without at least two drone navs in mids
5. Overload webs.
Overloaded t2 Web has 13km range. FAIL
6. Bring missile spammers.
Nanos outrun precision missiles. FAIL
7. Bring ECM.
Won't kill the nanoboats unless you have tackler with web and an ECM boat sure as hell won't kill one by itself. 8. Bring tracking disruptors.
Won't help against drones or missiles.
9. Bring heavy tankers.
Won't help kill them.
10. Use remote reppers.
Won't help kill them.
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Squatdog
DROW Org Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.04.24 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 24/04/2008 00:15:33 OMG, T2 frigs is faster than our nano HAC's, and they can get out of the fight without losing anything, NEEEEEEEEEERRRRRFFFF frigs pls.
Stupid posts like this should have deserved a 1 month ingame & forum ban for beeing stupid.
A typical interceptor has ten times less tank and three to four times less DPS than a nanoboat.
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ChalSto
LOCKDOWN.
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Posted - 2008.04.24 11:30:00 -
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Dont bring a knife to a gun fight aka Trying to catch nanos with BSs.
Its like trying to catch a flee with a cruise-missle...
Nanos are fine. Nerf players abillity to post on the forum. Boost player tactics and logic. aka U are a n00b
Evil will allways triumph, becouse Good is dumb
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari STK Scientific Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.04.24 11:35:00 -
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...or do you BS PvPing in low sec. Nanos and sentry guns don't mix very well.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists
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Posted - 2008.04.24 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 24/04/2008 11:43:55
Originally by: Vitrael Killing and Surviving nanoships 101:
1. Bring a Rapier. 2. Bring a Huginn. 3. Bring a Curse. 4. Bring warrior IIs. 5. Overload webs. 6. Bring missile spammers. 7. Bring ECM. 8. Bring tracking disruptors. 9. Bring heavy tankers. 10. Use remote reppers.
I could go on.
To be honest if you lost a Megathron in a fleet of 30 to just 5 nanoships you are doing something terribly wrong.
Or we could simply nerf nanos because both you and I know why your list has nothing to do with the core issue of nanos. -------------------------------------- [Video] Angel of War |
El'Tar
Caldari Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.04.24 11:48:00 -
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Lyria is right. ________________________________________________ MY BIG BROTHER BEING JESUS ******* CHRIST IN HIS BATTLEWAGON OF DOOM |
kyrv
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Posted - 2008.04.24 11:52:00 -
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Are not nannos supposed to be for acceleration and not for speed or is nanno'ing just a term used for overdrive nodes.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists
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Posted - 2008.04.24 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 24/04/2008 11:54:35
Originally by: kyrv Are not nannos supposed to be for acceleration and not for speed or is nanno'ing just a term used for overdrive nodes.
Nano is mostly referred to close to fully speed mod'ed ships. Mostly referring to speed mod'ed hacs though. -------------------------------------- [Video] Angel of War |
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.04.24 13:19:00 -
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Here are the most common nano whines:
1) My NPC Raven got killed by a nano gang. How do I beat them? Response: You probably can't, but why were you still sitting in the belt when a hostile gang came into local? I made billions of ISK NPC hunting in hostile space, sometimes even in enemy hostile space. I never lost an NPC hunting ship to hostiles, EVER.
2) We were camping a gate with two Drakes and we got killed by a nano gang. How do we beat them? Response: Don't engage entire gangs with two Drakes? Is the problem nano ships or that you were simply outnumbered?
3) Our fleet of 15 engaged 7 nano ships and we got pimp slapped and they all escaped. How do we beat them? Response: A good mix of Recons, especially Minmatar, is the best way to fight Nano gangs. Rebuttal: WE DON'T HAVE ANY HUGGIN/RAPIER PILOTS OR ARE STUBBORN AND ARE STILL GOING TO WHINE EVEN IF WE GET THE RIGHT ANSWER! Response: Well then you suck, sorry. If you have 15 people you should force everyone to fly ships that will work as a cohesive unit, not whatever everyone wants to fly. Rebuttal: WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO ADAPT AND BE BETTER PILOTS? CCP SHOULD JUST FIX OUR PROBLEMS FOR US! Response: ...
I'm sorry but as much as nano ships can be annoying to deal with, 99% of the whiners can't form a reasonable argument against them. It's the same thing we've seen since the beginning of Eve. People refuse to take the necessary steps to avoid their own peril/suffering if they think someone else will take the steps for them. If you get a large group of people together most of them will be:
1) Stupid 2) Whiney 3) Entitlement minded
It's like children. If you scream loud enough you'll never have to wipe yourself.
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.04.24 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Squatdog You MUST bring one race's Recons to catch a nanofag? Awesome!
So what? There are a million tactics in Eve that require specific counter tactics. The only difference is that this one tactic, nano ships, is very popular. What you're really asking is, "why can't I fly whatever I want to and win all situations?" You just don't realize it.
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Captain Sonata
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.24 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Squatdog
1. Bring a Rapier. 2. Bring a Huginn.
You MUST bring one race's Recons to catch a nanofag? Awesome!
3. Bring a Curse.
They'll warp away once their cap gets low.
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True Story: Nano's are overpowered.
How about we remove MWD's from the game? Than those of us who don't fly at 7Km/s can say: Adapt or Die (or some other similar cliche) to all those who'll be crying that their Nanos are weak.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists
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Posted - 2008.04.24 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Squatdog You MUST bring one race's Recons to catch a nanofag? Awesome!
So what? There are a million tactics in Eve that require specific counter tactics. The only difference is that this one tactic, nano ships, is very popular. What you're really asking is, "why can't I fly whatever I want to and win all situations?" You just don't realize it.
Nano is the only thing that needs to be countered with the same tactic/ship type. You want to kill a nano gang? You bring a bigger nano gang. (note: KILL, NOT chase off).
Every other gang/ship you can counter by bringing various ships. -------------------------------------- [Video] Angel of War |
Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.04.24 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Nano is the only thing that needs to be countered with the same tactic/ship type. You want to kill a nano gang? You bring a bigger nano gang. (note: KILL, NOT chase off).
Wrong. There are more than a few ways to kill nano ships. Unfortunately people in Eve don't seem to have the wit to outsmart their enemy, they rely on being able to mouse click twice and F1-F8, if that doesn't work they get confused and ask for nerfs to be doled out.
Simply put, the best way to fight nano ships is good tactics. Most people in Eve do not employ good tactics. True story.
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Phil Miller
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.04.24 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: Phil Miller on 24/04/2008 13:55:27
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Nano is the only thing that needs to be countered with the same tactic/ship type. You want to kill a nano gang? You bring a bigger nano gang. (note: KILL, NOT chase off).
Wrong. There are more than a few ways to kill nano ships. Unfortunately people in Eve don't seem to have the wit to outsmart their enemy, they rely on being able to mouse click twice and F1-F8, if that doesn't work they get confused and ask for nerfs to be doled out.
Simply put, the best way to fight nano ships is good tactics. Most people in Eve do not employ good tactics. True story.
Lets hear your "tactic" that doesn't involve more than 1 person to catch 1 F AG, and you can't use a similar ship yourself... ______________________________________
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The Tzar
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Posted - 2008.04.24 13:55:00 -
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A nerf is suggesting a change to the current game and therefore should be posted in idea's and discussion.
You have been warned __________________________________________
'Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear intelligent until they speak' __________________________________________ |
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists
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Posted - 2008.04.24 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Nano is the only thing that needs to be countered with the same tactic/ship type. You want to kill a nano gang? You bring a bigger nano gang. (note: KILL, NOT chase off).
Wrong. There are more than a few ways to kill nano ships. Unfortunately people in Eve don't seem to have the wit to outsmart their enemy, they rely on being able to mouse click twice and F1-F8, if that doesn't work they get confused and ask for nerfs to be doled out.
Simply put, the best way to fight nano ships is good tactics. Most people in Eve do not employ good tactics. True story.
No there aren't many good ways of KILLING nano gangs. There are just alot of ways to CHASE them OFF. -------------------------------------- [Video] Angel of War |
Captain Sonata
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.24 14:02:00 -
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Just looked at the killboard, the Sex Panther's guy flies minmatar almost exclusively, vagabonds in particular, no wonder he's defending the whole nano thing so strongly.
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Dheorl
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.04.24 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Phil Miller Nano need a nerf. A hard cap of 3km/s, while at the same increasing the effectives and range of webs.
So your saying medium drones should be able to hit a MWDing inty?
Haven't read through the whole topic but this just made me laugh.
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.04.24 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Phil Miller Lets hear your "tactic" that doesn't involve more than 1 person to catch 1 F AG, and you can't use a similar ship yourself...
Why can't I use a similar ship? Why can't I have more than one person? What other unrealistic conditions would you like to set?
What you're asking for is a solo "win button" against a specific tactic. I'm sure we could come up with some sort of bait ship that could do this. But that's beside the point because when you set up to do one thing, hoping for a specific scenario with a specific target, you make yourself susceptible to dying in other ways. Which is stupid.
Say you set up a bait Raven in a belt intended to catch an annoying Vagabond pilot, what if he brings a friend? What if he comes in a BS that day? You're asking a pointless question because you're an idiot if all you want to do is solo kill singular nano ships.
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Everyone Dies
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.24 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Squatdog
1. Bring a Rapier. 2. Bring a Huginn.
You MUST bring one race's Recons to catch a nanofag? Awesome!
3. Bring a Curse.
They'll warp away once their cap gets low.
4. Bring warrior IIs.
Drones won't catch them without at least two drone navs in mids
5. Overload webs.
Overloaded t2 Web has 13km range. FAIL
6. Bring missile spammers.
Nanos outrun precision missiles. FAIL
7. Bring ECM.
Won't kill the nanoboats unless you have tackler with web and an ECM boat sure as hell won't kill one by itself. 8. Bring tracking disruptors.
Won't help against drones or missiles.
9. Bring heavy tankers.
Won't help kill them.
10. Use remote reppers.
Won't help kill them.
You don't need of these ships to counter for example a megathron or raven.
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Phil Miller
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.04.24 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Why can't I use a similar ship? Why can't I have more than one person? What other unrealistic conditions would you like to set?
What you're asking for is a solo "win button" against a specific tactic. I'm sure we could come up with some sort of bait ship that could do this. But that's beside the point because when you set up to do one thing, hoping for a specific scenario with a specific target, you make yourself susceptible to dying in other ways. Which is stupid.
Say you set up a bait Raven in a belt intended to catch an annoying Vagabond pilot, what if he brings a friend? What if he comes in a BS that day? You're asking a pointless question because you're an idiot if all you want to do is solo kill singular nano ships.
So you admit, you can't kill a nano solo. Case closed and thank you very much for proving my point. Nano's need a nerf. ______________________________________
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.04.24 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Alowishus on 24/04/2008 14:24:35
Originally by: Captain Sonata Just looked at the killboard, the Sex Panther's guy flies minmatar almost exclusively, vagabonds in particular, no wonder he's defending the whole nano thing so strongly.
Why don't lie/fail some more? I fly a Maelstrom, Sleipnir or Raven. I haven't flown a Vagabond in years.
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.04.24 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Phil Miller So you admit, you can't kill a nano solo. Case closed and thank you very much for proving my point. Nano's need a nerf.
Where did I admit that? I actually said you could kill a nano ship solo. Reading comprehension and reading the entire post FTW. Thanks for proving you're an idiot, as suspected. Case closed.
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Emily Evermore
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.24 14:25:00 -
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This guy seems to kill nanos just fine with a regular gank and tank ship. look at all the vagabonds he kills solo.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=753477
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Garion Avarr
Amarr Zero Zero Traders
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Posted - 2008.04.24 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Indyman tech2 THEN WARPED AWAY WITH NO LOSSES...thats so stupid. itsl ike the new wcs, no need to commit to a fight.
It's called hit and run. Guerilla Warfare. Read up on the historical uses of it. Then understand why the fact that it exists along with regular fleet combat makes Eve a richer game, both on a tactical and strategic level. ________________________________ This is not a signature. |
Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.04.24 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: Megan Maynard on 24/04/2008 14:33:04 Edited by: Megan Maynard on 24/04/2008 14:32:10 Ok this topic is funny. Learn some orbital mechanics and some tricks. I didn't want to do this but I'm sorry, I feel the need to help dumb pilots.
First off, a ceptor going 7 k/s is VERY VERY specialized. It makes sense that a specialized ship is needed to kill it. Snipe it from far away, or get a web on it, or nail it with neuts, or get another ceptor/EAS ship. That isn't overpowered, that's what it is SUPPOSED to do.
Secondly, a pure nano ship costs more then a battleship with rigs alone. Thats right, poly carbs. You know what balances them? PRICE. Last time I checked they ran 58 mil a pop in Jita. The pilots that fly these ships are risking more isk then the pilots they kill most of the time. THEY SHOULD WIN.
Third, if you can't web, or neut, or snipe, or bring in a buddy; try using game mechanics. If you are in a missile boat, cruise missiles are BIG, BIG weapons don't hit small targets. Throw an assault launcher with precision lights on your massive ship and watch ceptors flee. If it's a vaga, and it breaks your tank, you need more skills. If you have a turret based ship: TRY TURNING. Some of you forget that if you turn WITH the nano pilot your guns have a much better chance of hitting. If the pilot is out of range going crazy fast, HIT THE BRAKES. Most of the time the orbit command will bring them into optimal range.
Also try to always fly straight away from your target, reduces tracking speed and such.
Target Painters also do wonders. Miz Stelth Bomerz iz the ****nit.
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.24 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Phil Miller
Originally by: Alowishus
Why can't I use a similar ship? Why can't I have more than one person? What other unrealistic conditions would you like to set?
What you're asking for is a solo "win button" against a specific tactic. I'm sure we could come up with some sort of bait ship that could do this. But that's beside the point because when you set up to do one thing, hoping for a specific scenario with a specific target, you make yourself susceptible to dying in other ways. Which is stupid.
Say you set up a bait Raven in a belt intended to catch an annoying Vagabond pilot, what if he brings a friend? What if he comes in a BS that day? You're asking a pointless question because you're an idiot if all you want to do is solo kill singular nano ships.
So you admit, you can't kill a nano solo. Case closed and thank you very much for proving my point. Nano's need a nerf.
Huginn can kill a nano solo. Case closed. --
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Dheorl
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.04.24 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Phil Miller Lets hear your "tactic" that doesn't involve more than 1 person to catch 1 F AG, and you can't use a similar ship yourself...
Can I use a sentinel?
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