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Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.28 17:55:00 - [121] Originally by: Omarvelous I hope this page in this thread ins't someone in Death's Legion with Matrix as an alt and is arguing with himself. If that thing was an alt, I would have made it at least cute. This was like watching a 500lbs hemaphrodite in skin color lycra bend over. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.28 17:59:00 - [122] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 28/05/2008 18:04:50 Hah! We got you all good, though! I bet you were believing DEATH LEGION'S nonsense rants . Alright boys, the shenanigans are over. Well-played, Omar. Well-played o/ Nice to see you again, buddy. Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.28 18:27:00 - [123] :( bah now I need to find another thread to infest Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
Tekeran The Hull Miners Union The Red Skull	Posted - 2008.05.28 19:14:00 - [124] You do realise that pirates camping gates have to tank about 400 dps from sentry guns, right? Add the fact that anyone can shoot at us without sentry aggression and I would say there is quite a bit of risk involved in low sec gate camping. Trying to tank 400 dps from sentries AND what ever dps the other guy is doing isn't easy. Now the MWD+Cloak trick is, by definition, an exploit but by CCP's standards its not an exploit until they say it is. If CCP follows what they have done in the past they will eventually fix it so you can't do it anymore but until then there is nothing anyone can do about it. We are now recruiting!
Brax Draggen	Posted - 2008.05.28 19:29:00 - [125] Originally by: Tregaron well yesterday was doing my normal low sec camping when 3x battleships roll through 1 by 1 each 1 of them did cloak warp trick so fair enough can't do anything then few minutes later a prowler jumps through the gate and also does this tactic. this kinder anoying when everyone is doing it. well my next trick is to get my broadsword scan res to 2,900 then see if they can cloak. possible? Seriously? Get over it. I hate gate camps and running them. IÆm not going to cry foul though. But you wonÆt catch me at one either. I think the mechanics are just fine. For anyone running solo or in a small group anything outside of empire is dangerous. As it should be. Gate camps are part of that danger and a large part of why carebears avoid low sec. Gate camps should be a way of controlling territory or harassing someone else who does, not seen as a way to make money. Camp runners wonÆt change that. I wish pirates would get a little more creative. Get off the gates. Let mission runners, ratters, and miners get into a system. Heck, wait for several. Then camp the exits and hunt them down. Better yet, offer to let them through for a few. Their only real escape will be to log. Myself I hate to log in low sec. Then I just have to sneak or fight out later. The point is; if carebears thought they had a chance to make money in low sec they would show up. You pirates should work together to not saturate low sec. Or, work on chasing out rival gangs. You should quit crying about the prey to too limited and too smart. ItÆs your own fault for over hunting. Maybe CCP should instate Pirate or hunting licenses. You pay X to get rights to X number of ship and pod kills in X sec level. This just might stop pirates from overhunting. (Yeah not likely, I know.) Also, you donÆt need a cloak to run gate camps. I never use cloaks and I have run countless camps and only been caught twice. Once it was a large well organized camp, the other just bad luck. I just use small fast ships to get around. And, I usually use afterburners instead or MWDs. Keeps the sig lower. Even at a bubbled gate, IÆm in warp or out of scram range faster than campers can usually lock.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.28 19:52:00 - [126] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 28/05/2008 19:59:20 Originally by: Tekeran You do realise that pirates camping gates have to tank about 400 dps from sentry guns, right? Add the fact that anyone can shoot at us without sentry aggression and I would say there is quite a bit of risk involved in low sec gate camping. Trying to tank 400 dps from sentries AND what ever dps the other guy is doing isn't easy. Now the MWD+Cloak trick is, by definition, an exploit but by CCP's standards its not an exploit until they say it is. If CCP follows what they have done in the past they will eventually fix it so you can't do it anymore but until then there is nothing anyone can do about it. The 400 dps figure only applies if one aggressed cry rat is camping the gate. Add more to the party and the sentries quickly become a joke. That's not my issue anyway. What I'm saying is MWD+cloak is just as fine as gate camps. They're both low risk (in terms of dying) if you have a working brain stem. The smarter bears will get away. But the smarter cry rats also get away from camp busters. Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Philipius Maximus Corporation 1	Posted - 2008.05.28 20:58:00 - [127] I dig this thread for its ZACHATTACK domination. I <3 ze BARNETT
Lithium Star DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.28 21:47:00 - [128] These kinds of threads are so fun, its like a weekly rant/cryfest. O and yes I know the sekret solution to stop this mwd cloaking madness! but then again nobody really listens anyways so fugg it.
Von Kleist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.28 22:47:00 - [129] If you can't figure out the counters to this trick, you should probably just take up mining.
Donna Maria	Posted - 2008.05.29 00:41:00 - [130] Wow, Between the Failing So called Pirate tears and the Carebear tears I can make some nice lemonade-Iced Tea. (1/2 and half :) ) Yum! Cant believe the crying here .. Loveing it! Im the girl momma warned you about..

Kristrina Belaure	Posted - 2008.05.29 02:10:00 - [131] Gate camping is a part of a pirates life, and being in a compact little circle with my alliance, if we find a gate camp we can blob the campers from 3, yes 3 DIFFERENT locations, sure they can warp away, but most likely they are flashing red, so they cant just go up and jump into high sec, and if they try jump through a different gate, Umm, sorry, busted at the other gates by our interceptors just waiting for a kill. against an organised counterattack, gatecamps have a 0% chance of survival, i seem to recall we did almost 2b of damage once just using tech 1 cruisers and a few interceptors
Boknamar The Knights Trevor	Posted - 2008.05.29 02:30:00 - [132] Originally by: Donna Maria Wow, Between the Failing So called Pirate tears and the Carebear tears I can make some nice lemonade-Iced Tea. (1/2 and half :) ) Yum! Cant believe the crying here .. Loveing it! The passion that some people bring to issues like this is indeed fascinating. And most illogical.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.05.29 03:07:00 - [133] Originally by: Matrix Skye If you're not catching most of your prey on the other side of the gate you, sir, are full of fail . It sounds to me like your gang of campers are totally clueless in running camps. Not my fault. I'll give you a small hint though: Use an inty or two . WTB: Sentry proof inty SKUNK
Yendaj Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.05.29 06:11:00 - [134] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Matrix Skye If you're not catching most of your prey on the other side of the gate you, sir, are full of fail . It sounds to me like your gang of campers are totally clueless in running camps. Not my fault. I'll give you a small hint though: Use an inty or two . WTB: Sentry proof inty SKUNK WTB: Inty pilot that doesnt suck!! (dont be too****y out there winks) 2008.05.27 03:16 Victim: xxxxxxx Alliance: None Corp: Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Destroyed: Malediction System: PVH8-0 Security: 0.0 Damage Taken: 1149 Involved parties: Name: Yendaj (laid the final blow) Security: -6.1 Alliance: Heretic Nation Corp: Heretic Army Ship: Drake Weapon: Scourge Heavy Missile Damage Done: 1110 Name: Alan Flease Security: 0.7 Alliance: Heretic Nation Corp: Heretic Academy Ship: Vexor Weapon: Hornet I Damage Done: 39 Destroyed items: Standard Missile Launcher II Standard Missile Launcher II Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile, Qty: 42 Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I Warp Disruptor II Type-D Altered SS Overdrive Injector Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile, Qty: 688 (Cargo) Caldari Navy Sabretooth Light Missile, Qty: 500 (Cargo) Hammerhead II, Qty: 2 (Cargo) Dropped items: Standard Missile Launcher II Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile, Qty: 84 Type-D Altered SS Overdrive Injector Signal Amplifier II Hammerhead II, Qty: 3 (Cargo) Flameburst Precision Light Missile, Qty: 470 (Cargo)
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:47:00 - [135] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Matrix Skye If you're not catching most of your prey on the other side of the gate you, sir, are full of fail . It sounds to me like your gang of campers are totally clueless in running camps. Not my fault. I'll give you a small hint though: Use an inty or two . WTB: Sentry proof inty SKUNK And thus another cry rat that can't run a properly set up gate camp. Keep the tears rolling, cry rats. I'm very much enjoying your crying! Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:08:00 - [136] Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 11:10:40 Matrix Skye, you are either a very very new player in EVE or extremely stupid player that doesn't know **** about how EVE really works. Every minded person who know how the game mechanics works in EVE does know that the MWD + Cloak trick is not supposed to be like that. Was the MWD designed to let you do the MWD + Cloak trick, or was it supposed to give you a speed boost? I know your a carebear who knows that you can use the trick to be more safe in low sec. But booohooo, can't affort to lose some pixels in low sec?, your a damn carebear with tons of isk. Well for 0.0 space the trick isn't actually a problem, even when it's not intended to be used like that, but the real problem is in low sec.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:25:00 - [137] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 11:10:40 Matrix Skye, you are either a very very new player in EVE or extremely stupid player that doesn't know ** about how EVE really works. Oh noes! Here comes Triumvirate's #1 Carebear Cry Rat to the rescue . Tell me, Nightmare, have you finished packing all your crap and back to empire yet? Quote: Every minded person who know how the game mechanics works in EVE does know that the MWD + Cloak trick is not supposed to be like that. Was the MWD designed to let you do the MWD + Cloak trick, or was it supposed to give you a speed boost? Ok, cry rat. Are your tears based on CCP information or just on "it's just not fair that cry rats aren't killin' everything anymore!"? Proof or STFU. Quote: I know your a carebear who knows that you can use the trick to be more safe in low sec. But booohooo, can't affort to lose some pixels in low sec?, your a damn carebear with tons of isk. Oh I love the 'pixel' argument from the cry rats. Tell me cry rat, if they're just pixels then what's with your obsession with your pixel-based killboard? What is your obsession with killin' the pixels and crying when you don't? And yes, I'm a carebear as you're a cry rat with the obsession of killing pixels to feel tough. Where do we go from here, badass? Quote: Well for 0.0 space the trick isn't actually a problem, even when it's not intended to be used like that, but the real problem is in low sec. No, the real problem is with cry rats like yourself trying to soften up the game for yourselves and make it tougher for the rest. Get a clue and adapt, silly cry rat. Originally by:** Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
omglollolol	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:26:00 - [138] Originally by: Tal Nok ^^ noob poster above me ^^ noob talking about noob, impressive,not ____________________________ You may not share my intellect, which might explain your disrespect, for all I say ;p _________________
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:27:00 - [139] Edited by: lecrotta on 29/05/2008 11:32:20 Originally by: NightmareX Every minded person who know how the game mechanics works in EVE does know that the MWD + Cloak trick is not supposed to be like that. Was the MWD designed to let you do the MWD + Cloak trick, or was it supposed to give you a speed boost? Well for 0.0 space the trick isn't actually a problem, even when it's not intended to be used like that, but the real problem is in low sec. Using your modules in this way correctly allows a large or small ship to pass through low sec space relatively safely, although a ceptor has the ability to decloak a ship doing this maneuver before it has finished aligning. Not only that but the maneuver must be performed perfectly or the ship will be locked before he manages to cloak up. I must say im still on the fence about this maneuver as to if its a exploit or if it should be classed as a fully credited skillful maneuver. My main concern on this matter is that removing the ability to perform maneuvers like this from the game will push eve pvp towards a dull minded fitting tool style of "fly by math" to see who wins or losses. And obviously the fact that the hunters in low sec have total advantage over the ppl passing through it and may miss a few kills due to this maneuver but are still getting plenty. I have known and used this maneuver for a very very long time while traveling through low sec or to get through camps in 0.0 that did not have a dictor. And although i fly with a extremely predatory corp and we do miss a few kills due to this maneuver im still not convinced it needs to be removed or is a fully fledged exploit and not a great maneuver that should be kept to enhance the enjoyment of eve (its a real rush when you warp through a camp of 20 or more peeps with fast lockers in low sec in a BS).
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:28:00 - [140] See? I can spew insults just like you, cry rats? Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!

omglollolol	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:29:00 - [141] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 11:17:28 Matrix Skye, you are either a very very new player in EVE or extremely stupid player that doesn't know **** about how EVE really works. Every minded person who know how the game mechanics works in EVE does know that the MWD + Cloak trick is not supposed to be like that. Was the MWD designed to let you do the MWD + Cloak trick, or was it supposed to give you a speed boost? I know your a carebear who knows that you can use the trick to be more safe in low sec. But booohooo, can't affort to lose some pixels in low sec?, your a damn carebear with tons of isk. Well for 0.0 space the trick isn't actually a problem, even when it's not intended to be used like that, but the real problem is in low sec. And don't reply with 'I know this and that better than you', because i have been in this game much longer than you can imagine. So i know how most of the things in EVE works. So no point by arguing with me that I KNOW is right. That's what you think.... ..not to say it's so stupid, I doubt one could ever be even thinking when producing such a garbage ____________________________ You may not share my intellect, which might explain your disrespect, for all I say ;p _________________
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:31:00 - [142] Oh i forgot to say. IN BEFORE THE CRYING CAREBEARS.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:32:00 - [143] Originally by: NightmareX Oh i forgot to say. IN BEFORE THE CRYING CAREBEARS. Too late. Read the OP . Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:34:00 - [144] And btw Matrix Skye, you just lost in this topic, because all you do now is calling all who know what we are talking about a cry rat. Maybe you should come with some proof that you are right? but i bet you doesn't have, because you are only thinking omgomg, finally i can be safe in low sec, nothing is more important.
omglollolol	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:40:00 - [145] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 11:38:08 And btw Matrix Skye, you just lost in this topic, because all you do now is calling all who know what we are talking about a cry rat. Maybe you should come with some proof that you are right? but i bet you doesn't have, because you are only thinking omgomg, finally i can be safe in low sec, nothing is more important. And just so you know, everyone that is defending this trick is classed as a crying carebear, so calling us who are against it a cry rat is just LOL. You can say whatever you like Matrix Skye, but calling others for cry rat wont make you be more right than us who really KNOWS how the machanics works. it obviously must be killing brain cells of everyone who reads your post. Nightmare can't you stand your name now uh? Everybody using the trick is having sweet dreams instead... I can feel your pain, join care church for free donuts. ____________________________ You may not share my intellect, which might explain your disrespect, for all I say ;p _________________
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:41:00 - [146] Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 11:42:26 Originally by: omglollolol Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 11:38:08 And btw Matrix Skye, you just lost in this topic, because all you do now is calling all who know what we are talking about a cry rat. Maybe you should come with some proof that you are right? but i bet you doesn't have, because you are only thinking omgomg, finally i can be safe in low sec, nothing is more important. And just so you know, everyone that is defending this trick is classed as a crying carebear, so calling us who are against it a cry rat is just LOL. You can say whatever you like Matrix Skye, but calling others for cry rat wont make you be more right than us who really KNOWS how the machanics works. it obviously must be killing brain cells of everyone who reads your post. Nightmare can't you stand your name now uh? Everybody using the trick is having sweet dreams instead... I can feel your pain, join care church for free donuts. , well that was a really good post on why the trick is ok to use, wow seriously. WTB: Proof why the MWD + Cloak trick is right and good to use in EVE. I'll guess that wont EVER happen.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:42:00 - [147] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 11:36:06 And btw Matrix Skye, you just lost in this topic, because all you do now is calling all who know what we are talking about a cry rat. Maybe you should come with some proof that you are right? but i bet you doesn't have, because you are only thinking omgomg, finally i can be safe in low sec, nothing is more important. And just so you know, everyone that is defending this trick is classed as a crying carebear, so calling us who are against it a cry rat is just LOL. ... Said the nano-cry rat. You bet I doesn't have proof? You're the one calling this mechanic an exploit. How about you provide the proof? Oh, that's right, why do that when you can cry on the forums to have CCP make the game easier for you, cry rat. Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
omglollolol	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:45:00 - [148] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 11:42:26 Originally by: omglollolol Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 11:38:08 And btw Matrix Skye, you just lost in this topic, because all you do now is calling all who know what we are talking about a cry rat. Maybe you should come with some proof that you are right? but i bet you doesn't have, because you are only thinking omgomg, finally i can be safe in low sec, nothing is more important. And just so you know, everyone that is defending this trick is classed as a crying carebear, so calling us who are against it a cry rat is just LOL. You can say whatever you like Matrix Skye, but calling others for cry rat wont make you be more right than us who really KNOWS how the machanics works. it obviously must be killing brain cells of everyone who reads your post. Nightmare can't you stand your name now uh? Everybody using the trick is having sweet dreams instead... I can feel your pain, join care church for free donuts. , well that was a really good post on why the trick is ok to use, wow seriously. WTB: Proof why the MWD + Cloak trick is right and good to use in EVE. I'll guess that wont EVER happen. that's the spirit! Everything requiring skill must be nerfed, otherwise skillless like you cannot 'shine'.. very interesting. And talking about proves... the day you prove me that MWD+cloak is not right and good trick to use in EVE I'll prove you it is. Do your homework ____________________________ You may not share my intellect, which might explain your disrespect, for all I say ;p _________________
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:49:00 - [149] Quote: And btw Matrix Skye, you just lost in this topic, because all you do now is calling all who know what we are talking about a cry rat. No, cry rat. You have to look beyond the name-calling. The answers are all there. It's just I have to insult the cry rats to get their attention, given your short attention spans . You're fixating yourself too much on 'cry rat'. If you cry rats weren't as daft I'd hold a more mature conversation with you all. But honestly, this is the most response I've gotten from you cry rats in all of my posting history here. This entire thread is a brain cell killer. But is sure as hell entertaining with all your tears . Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:52:00 - [150] Originally by: NightmareX The thing we want is the proof WHY the trick is ok to use, because it's not written anywhere that the trick is ok to use and that the MWD is meant to be used like that. The main argument for it not being an exploit and it being a piloting skill i suppose is that unless the pilot performs the maneuver absolutely perfectly he is dead.



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