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Tregaron Filthy Scum	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:00:00 - [1] well yesterday was doing my normal low sec camping when 3x battleships roll through 1 by 1 each 1 of them did cloak warp trick so fair enough can't do anything then few minutes later a prowler jumps through the gate and also does this tactic. this kinder anoying when everyone is doing it. well my next trick is to get my broadsword scan res to 2,900 then see if they can cloak. possible?
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:06:00 - [2] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 23/05/2008 14:06:18 So, some players are surviving your gate camp. CCP, this is just unacceptable!
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:08:00 - [3] Have friends - orbit gate at various distances - use drones (have flights of small drones - your scout will alert you when target approaches so they don't needlessly stay out and get popped by sentries). Place wrecks and cans all over your gate - they can't cloak if anything is within 2km of them. Have an interceptor completely speed fit for bumping and uncloaking. Its not easy - but if your targets have taken the time to figure out a way to avoid - you can take the time to figure out a way to get them anyways. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Tregaron Filthy Scum	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:10:00 - [4] Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 23/05/2008 14:06:18 So, some players are surviving your gate camp. CCP, this is just unacceptable! i don't mind peeps getting away but everyone using the same tactic is boring. jump----> mwd ----> cloak ----> decloak ----> insta warp
Tregaron Filthy Scum	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:12:00 - [5] Originally by: Omarvelous Have friends - orbit gate at various distances - use drones (have flights of small drones - your scout will alert you when target approaches so they don't needlessly stay out and get popped by sentries). Place wrecks and cans all over your gate - they can't cloak if anything is within 2km of them. Have an interceptor completely speed fit for bumping and uncloaking. Its not easy - but if your targets have taken the time to figure out a way to avoid - you can take the time to figure out a way to get them anyways. sadly you can't place can's around the gate no longer (well you can but it's an exploit)
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:13:00 - [6] Originally by: Tregaron Originally by: Omarvelous Have friends - orbit gate at various distances - use drones (have flights of small drones - your scout will alert you when target approaches so they don't needlessly stay out and get popped by sentries). Place wrecks and cans all over your gate - they can't cloak if anything is within 2km of them. Have an interceptor completely speed fit for bumping and uncloaking. Its not easy - but if your targets have taken the time to figure out a way to avoid - you can take the time to figure out a way to get them anyways. sadly you can't place can's around the gate no longer (well you can but it's an exploit) Well naturally you're 'salvaging' your wrecks right? It just so happens you didn't need that tech 1 ammo he left behind... __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:16:00 - [7] Edited by: Tal Nok on 23/05/2008 14:20:35 The only way to beat this is using an interceptor pilot who knows how to ram cloaked ships. Even then, you only got about 4 seconds. Things that can beat this not in your control: Stupidity Lag De-Synch Deity of some sort Other ways have been deemed exploits so they will not be mentioned. These days this is old news. Complained about this a year ago. Scan res thing? Unless the items I posted above which are out of your control, 3400 scan res aint gonna help you. edit: i before e... Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
Psorion The Nine Gates	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:27:00 - [8] Originally by: Omarvelous Originally by: Tregaron Originally by: Omarvelous Have friends - orbit gate at various distances - use drones (have flights of small drones - your scout will alert you when target approaches so they don't needlessly stay out and get popped by sentries). Place wrecks and cans all over your gate - they can't cloak if anything is within 2km of them. Have an interceptor completely speed fit for bumping and uncloaking. Its not easy - but if your targets have taken the time to figure out a way to avoid - you can take the time to figure out a way to get them anyways. sadly you can't place can's around the gate no longer (well you can but it's an exploit) Well naturally you're 'salvaging' your wrecks right? It just so happens you didn't need that tech 1 ammo he left behind... Thats very Yardly of you Yarr!
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:37:00 - [9] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 23/05/2008 14:43:30 Originally by: Tregaron Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 23/05/2008 14:06:18 So, some players are surviving your gate camp. CCP, this is just unacceptable! i don't mind peeps getting away but everyone using the same tactic is boring. jump----> mwd ----> cloak ----> decloak ----> insta warp As opposed to what? camp gate----> kill----> camp gate some more----> kill some more You don't think that gets boring? Your victims are adapting. Why can't you?
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:46:00 - [10] ^^ noob poster above me ^^ Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
Kage Toshimado Kage Clan	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:50:00 - [11] Build a Titan and put it on the gate that way you can just DD away. Cloak or not they are going down right? And once you get the aforemention Titan, let us know what system you are camping so we can come kill it. I mean... so we can stay away because we're scared of you. "the sarcasm is strong with this one"
Tregaron Filthy Scum	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:51:00 - [12] Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 23/05/2008 14:43:30 Originally by: Tregaron Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 23/05/2008 14:06:18 So, some players are surviving your gate camp. CCP, this is just unacceptable! i don't mind peeps getting away but everyone using the same tactic is boring. jump----> mwd ----> cloak ----> decloak ----> insta warp As opposed to what? camp gate----> kill----> camp gate some more----> kill some more You don't think that gets boring? Your victims are adapting. Why can't you? well get ccp to give me a mod to stop you cloaking then i'm fine. coz atm there's no way to stop the cloak warp trick unless you place cans around the gate which then ends the target making a petition for you using an exploit.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Tal Nok ^^ noob poster above me ^^ Please don't call me a noob. It hurts my feelings . What are you, 8?
Tregaron Filthy Scum	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:52:00 - [14] Originally by: Kage Toshimado Build a Titan and put it on the gate that way you can just DD away. Cloak or not they are going down right? And once you get the aforemention Titan, let us know what system you are camping so we can come kill it. I mean... so we can stay away because we're scared of you. "the sarcasm is strong with this one" Titan be gr8 just for one problem you can't DD in low sec
Waga Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:52:00 - [15] Yea ! Id say its totally unfair .. ccp should give you unlimited wallet rest of the summer for these lame people that actually are thinking when they jump into your camp. Damm Anoying i see your point ! erhh NOT so fair enough can't do anything yes you can ! try think abit when you sit there .. I tell you, if it get "warmer"
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:57:00 - [16] Originally by: Matrix Skye Please don't call me a noob. It hurts my feelings . What are you, 8? no, not yet, I'm 5. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:59:00 - [17] Originally by: Tregaron well get ccp to give me a mod to stop you cloaking then i'm fine. coz atm there's no way to stop the cloak warp trick unless you place cans around the gate which then ends the target making a petition for you using an exploit. Sure. As long as CCP then gives me a counter to your gate camp. We can play this game all day long . Ah yes, the counter to the gate camp is "MY BRAIN!!!ONEELEVEN!". You on the other hand need a real counter from CCP .
Altterra	Posted - 2008.05.23 15:17:00 - [18] ROFL, a gatecamper complaining about people using tactics against his gatecamp. So what if people use "the same tactic over and over"? is it possible to cry more? I say grats to the suckers who escaped your camp, you silly little man. I like cookies.
Kehmor PAK	Posted - 2008.05.23 15:22:00 - [19] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Tal Nok ^^ noob poster above me ^^ Please don't call me a noob. It hurts my feelings . What are you, 8? Asking for people's personal details is a breach of EULA. PETITION! - Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes.
Freakdevil Explora Empire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.23 15:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Tregaron Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 23/05/2008 14:06:18 So, some players are surviving your gate camp. CCP, this is just unacceptable! i don't mind peeps getting away but everyone using the same tactic is boring. jump----> mwd ----> cloak ----> decloak ----> insta warp You need a destroyer fitted with sensor boosters and remote boost him. Once the BS hits the MWD his sig should jump just enough to get a lock. That is all you need to prevent him from cloaking...the rest is what you do best! And btw you owe me a new Crow lol
P'uck	Posted - 2008.05.23 15:44:00 - [21] Originally by: Tregaron jump----> mwd ----> cloak ----> decloak ----> insta warp i hate those people... because when I try it, the speed bar doesnt lag enough to get me insta-warping.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.23 15:49:00 - [22] Originally by: Tregaron well yesterday was doing my normal low sec camping when 3x battleships roll through 1 by 1 each 1 of them did cloak warp trick so fair enough can't do anything then few minutes later a prowler jumps through the gate and also does this tactic. this kinder anoying when everyone is doing it. well my next trick is to get my broadsword scan res to 2,900 then see if they can cloak. possible? heh 2900 res should generally do it. You still won't catch me though CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
War Kitten	Posted - 2008.05.23 15:52:00 - [23] Originally by: Tregaron well yesterday was doing my normal low sec camping when 3x battleships roll through 1 by 1 each 1 of them did cloak warp trick so fair enough can't do anything then few minutes later a prowler jumps through the gate and also does this tactic. this kinder anoying when everyone is doing it. well my next trick is to get my broadsword scan res to 2,900 then see if they can cloak. possible? well yesterday was doing my normal hauling when i come upon 3 different gate camps 1 by 1 each of them did the target and scramble me before i can warp trick so fair enough can't do anything then a few minutes later i jump into another gate camp and they do same tactic. this kinder anoying when everyone is doing it. well my next trick is to complain about it some moar, then think of a solution. irony?
Cypher Run	Posted - 2008.05.23 15:55:00 - [24] Originally by: War Kitten Originally by: Tregaron well yesterday was doing my normal low sec camping when 3x battleships roll through 1 by 1 each 1 of them did cloak warp trick so fair enough can't do anything then few minutes later a prowler jumps through the gate and also does this tactic. this kinder anoying when everyone is doing it. well my next trick is to get my broadsword scan res to 2,900 then see if they can cloak. possible? well yesterday was doing my normal hauling when i come upon 3 different gate camps 1 by 1 each of them did the target and scramble me before i can warp trick so fair enough can't do anything then a few minutes later i jump into another gate camp and they do same tactic. this kinder anoying when everyone is doing it. well my next trick is to complain about it some moar, then think of a solution. irony? WIN!
joshmorris AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.05.23 15:58:00 - [25] USing this tactic you can travel through low sec with 0 risk if your not a moron. That just makes low sec no risk .... EVE is about taking risks to get better rewards. Imo this should be classed as an exploit. Uber idea solves all !!
rValdez5987 Asylum Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.23 16:44:00 - [26] heres how you solve this issue. Make it so that a cloak cannot be engaged unless all mods are OFF. If you have any hardeners guns or an mwd on the cloak will say: "Interference from the modules you are running prevents you from activating Prototype Cloaking Device" Until then I dont know what to tell you... I gave up pirating on gates tbh.. easier to roam around and catch them in belts. My views and opinions are my own.
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.05.23 16:47:00 - [27] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 23/05/2008 16:48:02 Originally by: joshmorris USing this tactic you can travel through low sec with 0 risk if your not a moron. That just makes low sec no risk .... EVE is about taking risks to get better rewards. Imo this should be classed as an exploit. And to add risk for pvp there should be fixed 10% chance of your ship self-exploding when you use guns, yes? And to op: Lovekebab says HI. I hope you got warning from the petition? :) Next time dont exploit.
Joachim Kato Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2008.05.23 16:47:00 - [28] Originally by: joshmorris USing this tactic you can travel through low sec with 0 risk if your not a moron. That just makes low sec no risk .... EVE is about taking risks to get better rewards. Imo this should be classed as an exploit. This trick is old and it's impossible to tackle anything even if you decloak it inna ceptor, cuz it gonna instawarp aniways. In 0.0 situations bubble might help, but you need to decloak ir real fast, cuz any mwd + cloaking target gonna be outside the bubble in no time.
ceyriot Induseng Enterprises R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.23 17:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Joachim Kato Originally by: joshmorris USing this tactic you can travel through low sec with 0 risk if your not a moron. That just makes low sec no risk .... EVE is about taking risks to get better rewards. Imo this should be classed as an exploit. This trick is old and it's impossible to tackle anything even if you decloak it inna ceptor, cuz it gonna instawarp aniways. In 0.0 situations bubble might help, but you need to decloak ir real fast, cuz any mwd + cloaking target gonna be outside the bubble in no time. Well, no...Broadsword + MWD + Approach location of interceptor + friendly inties decloaking = Dead interceptor. Faction Store - Killboard
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.23 17:22:00 - [30] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 23/05/2008 17:23:33 Originally by: joshmorris USing this tactic you can travel through low sec with 0 risk if your not a moron. That just makes low sec no risk .... EVE is about taking risks to get better rewards. Imo this should be classed as an exploit. There should always be risk for everyone in low sec, not just those passing through gate camps. As it stands you could camp a gate and profit from it with 0 risk if you're not a moron. By using your logic gatecamping should also be considered an exploit.
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.23 17:37:00 - [31] Originally by: Matrix Skye By using your logic gatecamping should also be considered an exploit. Using your logic you being allowed to post is an exploit. As for OP, this has been beaten to death. It sucks, but there are ways around which I stated on the first page in my only constructive post besides this one. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
admiral ahkbar	Posted - 2008.05.23 17:51:00 - [32] Originally by: Tregaron jump----> mwd ----> cloak ----> decloak ----> insta warp well done. if some people didn't know how to do it yet, you just taught them too. this all started with some emo nerd getting ****ed off and telling the rest of EVE what 1 guy was doing to him in meticulous detail.
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.05.23 18:21:00 - [33] Originally by: Matrix Skye There should always be risk for everyone in low sec, not just those passing through gate camps. As it stands you could camp a gate and profit from it with 0 risk if you're not a moron. By using your logic gatecamping should also be considered an exploit. Uhm... that IS the risk. The risk of "Am I a moron, or am I not a moron. I think I'm not a moron, but if I AM a moron, I would certainly be wrong about that... I hope this works out like I planned" Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
Cpt 0bvious Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.23 18:46:00 - [34] It is as fine as gatecamps are. Pointless QQ. And I laughed at Ahkbar's qq.
Joachim Kato Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2008.05.23 19:13:00 - [35] Originally by: ceyriot Originally by: Joachim Kato Originally by: joshmorris USing this tactic you can travel through low sec with 0 risk if your not a moron. That just makes low sec no risk .... EVE is about taking risks to get better rewards. Imo this should be classed as an exploit. This trick is old and it's impossible to tackle anything even if you decloak it inna ceptor, cuz it gonna instawarp aniways. In 0.0 situations bubble might help, but you need to decloak ir real fast, cuz any mwd + cloaking target gonna be outside the bubble in no time. Well, no...Broadsword + MWD + Approach location of interceptor + friendly inties decloaking = Dead interceptor. Was referring to normal bubble from ordinary dictor. With heavy dictor it's easier, but the whole thing was about losec and it's kinda fawked up to have no risk.
xenodia Mortis Incarnatus	Posted - 2008.05.23 19:44:00 - [36] Originally by: Tregaron well get ccp to give me a mod to stop you cloaking then i'm fine. coz atm there's no way to stop the cloak warp trick unless you place cans around the gate which then ends the target making a petition for you using an exploit. WTS: Cheese This signature space for rent
Stele Toque	Posted - 2008.05.23 20:14:00 - [37] Originally by: Tregaron i don't mind peeps getting away but everyone using the same tactic is boring. what, you mean like ... gate camping, webbing, scramming, popping, podding ... ad naseum.
Sionide THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.05.23 21:46:00 - [38] Yeah, the cloak trick is really lame. I am sure CCP knows about it, and chooses not to do anything about it. In their book it isn't an exploit. So really not much you can do about it :( === In Eve, never bring a knife to a knife fight.
Stele Toque	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:26:00 - [39] wow .. someone sure is butt hurt about the fact that they no longer have the advantage.
Majuan Shuo Vigilante inc.	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:35:00 - [40] Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 23/05/2008 17:23:33 Originally by: joshmorris USing this tactic you can travel through low sec with 0 risk if your not a moron. That just makes low sec no risk .... EVE is about taking risks to get better rewards. Imo this should be classed as an exploit. There should always be risk for everyone in low sec, not just those passing through gate camps. As it stands you could camp a gate and profit from it with 0 risk if you're not a moron. By using your logic gatecamping should also be considered an exploit. ok see this guy? **** this guy. moving on... q-"WELL WHAT ABOUT THE PIRATE CODE!?" a-"well actually... they're more like guidelines.."
soldieroffortune 258	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:52:00 - [41] idk why the op is complaining, plain and simple, if gate camping isnt considered an exploit (and i dont think it should be, despite the fact that ive been camped like 5 times, its a way of making money, just like everything else in the game), then this cloak warp trick should not be classed as an exploit either, if one goes, then so must the other and when you were complaining about how everyone is using the same tactic: well i dont mind getting gate camped, but everyone is using the same tactic, its getting boring, lol
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.23 23:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Majuan Shuo Originally by: Matrix Skye There should always be risk for everyone in low sec, not just those passing through gate camps. As it stands you could camp a gate and profit from it with 0 risk if you're not a moron. By using your logic gatecamping should also be considered an exploit. ok see this guy? ** this guy. moving on... Feel better now? Great way to present an argument! Is there anyone that disagrees with what I say that can communicate it in a clear and mature way other than just giving me an enlightening "** you!"?
LoveKebab coracao ardente Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.23 23:34:00 - [43] Originally by: Tregaron well yesterday was doing my normal low sec camping when 3x battleships roll through 1 by 1 each 1 of them did cloak warp trick actually it was me 3 times in 3 following systems and u tried to stop me by convoing me when i was going to warp but well, u didnt get me so i won ;o
Rawr Cristina Naqam Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.05.24 02:50:00 - [44] Old trick, suprised it hasn't got more attention already If done right, you're pretty much invulnerable in low-sec. Even if you could instalock, you wouldn't catch it due to module lag. Them messing up aside, the only way you can really catch them is a lucky bump. You get under 5 seconds to do that. Yes, I use it all the time. Yes, It needs a nerf. ...
Rach NiKunni	Posted - 2008.05.24 07:37:00 - [45] Originally by: Matrix Skye As opposed to what? camp gate----> kill----> camp gate some more----> kill some more You don't think that gets boring? Your victims are adapting. Why can't you? pWND! Pirates moaning because people are failing to throw themselves at their feet... What we have here is someone who is slowly learning that there is a difference between gate camping and PVP.
Rach NiKunni	Posted - 2008.05.24 07:43:00 - [46] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Yes, I use it all the time. Yes, It needs a nerf. Hell no! It needs to be put in the tutorial!
Qutan	Posted - 2008.05.24 08:46:00 - [47] Lets put player skill back into the game the more ways round a gate camp the better, save the campers from themselves so they can then play the game and not just sit there being bored . SAVE THE CAMPERS THEY NEED OUR HELP Not a pirate I just love the
Calvin Firenze Thanos and Killjoy Productions	Posted - 2008.05.24 10:13:00 - [48] tbh the cloak warp trick sounds almost valid. One "trick" that **es me off to no end is something freighter pilots do when jumping into lowsec. 1. Jump 2. log out before decloaking 3. log back in 4. log off again midwarp 5. profit The 2nd logoff takes them off grid from the gate. According to CCP, this is a valid game mechanic. I've petitioned it as an exploit a few times. The catch is, if you can kill a freighter in about 35 seconds with your gatecamp, you're good to go for a freighter kill. CCP says 1 minute before ship disappears, but according to my log and friends' logs, the average time from scramble to ship disappearance was 35 seconds. Sorry, I'm going off topic, but the freighter thing **es me off when I think about it. Good luck on getting anything changed with the cloak + warp trick.
Sang Jin Avanti Industries	Posted - 2008.05.24 13:40:00 - [49] Originally by: admiral ahkbar Originally by: Tregaron jump----> mwd ----> cloak ----> decloak ----> insta warp well done. if some people didn't know how to do it yet, you just taught them too. this all started with some emo nerd getting ****ed off and telling the rest of EVE what 1 guy was doing to him in meticulous detail. Shhhhh.. how else are us carebares supposed to learn this stuff??!!
Philipius Maximus Corporation 1	Posted - 2008.05.24 15:26:00 - [50] A lot of people posting solutions in this thread obviously have no experience with this issue. You canot beat this EVER unless the cloaker is Lagged Desynched Generally stupid You can place cans around the gate to try to trip him up but this is an exploit and almost always ineffective. You can also try ramming him in an interceptor, but that task nearly always ends in failure. This is not a matter of changing tactics or adapting. Give gate campers a module or any real method of defeating this tactic to make this trickery "fair." Otherwise, it's simply a way to make yourself invulnerable whilst travelling gate to gate in low sec, no matter what you're flying. I forgot, no amount of scan res will help you.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.24 15:54:00 - [51] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 24/05/2008 15:55:01 Originally by: Philipius Maximus Give gate campers a module or any real method of defeating this tactic to make this trickery "fair." Uhm, sitting by a spawn point, scratching your ass while players spawn so you can kill them isn't exactly "fair", now is it? Eve is about REWARDS through RISK. Anyone but morons can camp a gate. But don't expect the rewards to be great either. It's how Eve is supposed to be, low risk = low rewards. You want better rewards? Scan down a mission runner or find miners or ratters in 0.0. Stop being lazy and go earn your rewards FFS.
eve warrior Filthy Scum	Posted - 2008.05.24 16:48:00 - [52] Originally by: LoveKebab Edited by: LoveKebab on 23/05/2008 23:39:02 Originally by: Tregaron well yesterday was doing my normal low sec camping when 3x battleships roll through 1 by 1 each 1 of them did cloak warp trick actually it was me 3 times in 3 following systems and u tried to stop me by convoing me when i was going to warp but well, u didnt get me so i won ;o add new rule when some1 jump to lowsec: 1% chance of ur ship travel to NOL next time u use a gate, 1% chance of being hotdroped by RA, 0.0001% of chance of ur mum comming to ur room and telling u "go to sleep" and turning off the power... come on, stop whining, deal with it - get a trip to 0.0, use dictors - u wont have to worry about targets warping away if u are smart enough ;o or are u afraid of losing ur precious implants lol Lmao. if 0.0 is so hardcore why do you need to use this tacktic to get though a little low sec space? And i was looking at info but clicked start convo instead ew
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.24 16:53:00 - [53] Originally by: Matrix Skye Is there anyone that disagrees with what I say that can communicate it in a clear and mature way other than just giving me an enlightening "** you!"? I did but you couldn't comprehend a single letter that was typed so I gave up. Didn't we settle this a few weeks/months back in Aunnenen local? P.S. I heart Phil Originally by:** CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.24 16:58:00 - [54] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 24/05/2008 17:00:46 Originally by: Tal Nok Originally by: Matrix Skye Is there anyone that disagrees with what I say that can communicate it in a clear and mature way other than just giving me an enlightening "** you!"? I did but you couldn't comprehend a single letter that was typed so I gave up. Didn't we settle this a few weeks/months back in Aunnenen local? P.S. I heart Phil I believe you addressed my post with: Originally by:** Tal Nok ^^ noob poster above me ^^ Not exactly much to comprehend there is there? .
Commander Killah	Posted - 2008.05.24 17:05:00 - [55] Just fill your nightmare's med slots with sensor boosters except one for a warp disruptor, and shoot them down with ur Amarr navy mega pulse lasers that'd be epic...
Tregaron Filthy Scum	Posted - 2008.05.24 17:31:00 - [56] Originally by: Commander Killah Just fill your nightmare's med slots with sensor boosters except one for a warp disruptor, and shoot them down with ur Amarr navy mega pulse lasers that'd be epic... what nightmare and it had civilian pulse lasers with damage mod of 10x so shhhhhh
Joachim Kato Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2008.05.25 00:40:00 - [57] Originally by: Philipius Maximus A lot of people posting solutions in this thread obviously have no experience with this issue. You canot beat this EVER unless the cloaker is Lagged Desynched Generally stupid You can place cans around the gate to try to trip him up but this is an exploit and almost always ineffective. You can also try ramming him in an interceptor, but that task nearly always ends in failure. This is not a matter of changing tactics or adapting. Give gate campers a module or any real method of defeating this tactic to make this trickery "fair." Otherwise, it's simply a way to make yourself invulnerable whilst travelling gate to gate in low sec, no matter what you're flying. I forgot, no amount of scan res will help you. This. /emote awaits for some smart (or actually many of them) to jump outta some ahole and start talkin about many ways of countering that mwd + cloak trick, without even having seen nothing more than NPC vessels onna overview. /emote drops some cans onna gate, cuz some "pro" without a clue said it helps.
Knuckle Shuffle	Posted - 2008.05.25 08:49:00 - [58] why even bother posting this crap
wu han The Water Margin.	Posted - 2008.05.25 16:09:00 - [59] Originally by: Matrix Skye ................ Your victims are adapting. Why can't you? This. Had to be quoted. EVE-O prides itself on being hardcore with dedicated players pushing the boundaries, adapt or die in my view.
Sphynx Stormlord Snuff inc	Posted - 2008.05.25 20:30:00 - [60] Would a smartbomb setup be effective to decloak them? On a fast(ish) ship, to get close to their position.
Taedrin Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.05.26 01:49:00 - [61] Originally by: Sphynx Stormlord Would a smartbomb setup be effective to decloak them? On a fast(ish) ship, to get close to their position. Smartbombs do not decloak cloaked ships. They deal damage, but do not decloak, IIRC.
Doctor Serious	Posted - 2008.05.26 02:08:00 - [62] Originally by: joshmorris USing this tactic you can travel through low sec with 0 risk if your not a moron. That just makes low sec no risk .... EVE is about taking risks to get better rewards. Imo this should be classed as an exploit. There is always risk. I use a scout as well as this trick, and even with that there is some risk as long as there is anyone else in the system other than my accounts. I'm sure CCP will listen when you say alt accounts should be classed as an exploit (and laugh), and trial account shouldn't be allowed in low-sec or something. Sounds like you pirates are developing a sense of entitlement. You now have a ship that can hold down even the stabbiest of targets, and yet you people still complain. Why am I not surprised?
Doctor Serious	Posted - 2008.05.26 02:12:00 - [63] Edited by: Doctor Serious on 26/05/2008 02:14:26 Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 23/05/2008 17:23:33 There should always be risk for everyone in low sec, not just those passing through gate camps. As it stands you could camp a gate and profit from it with 0 risk if you're not a moron. By using your logic gatecamping should also be considered an exploit. Indeed I have camped gates with a scout on the remote end. There's less risk in doing that than there is in scouting a hauler through inhabited space. Perhaps what we need to do is classify scouts as an exploit... instaban for assembling a covops. Yeah. ps. it's pointless to do anything about this and leave ctrl-q as it is anyway, especially if you're dealing with larger ships vs smallish camps.
Rawr Cristina Naqam Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.05.26 05:38:00 - [64] Originally by: Matrix Skye ................ Your victims are adapting. Why can't you? No Adapting is fitting for travel. Adapting is bringing friends. Adapting is having someone scout you before blindly jumping onwards. Cloak-Warp trick has no counter whatsoever in low-sec, and works on all kinds of ships - even some T1 Haulers. It IS technically an exploit, a result of the Microwarpdrive not actually deactivating till the end of it's cycle when you cloak, allowing someone to activate both modules at once and still recieve a healthy speed boost. I'd love to hear an official CCP stance on this. ...
AntonioBanderas The Bastards	Posted - 2008.05.26 09:52:00 - [65] Edited by: AntonioBanderas on 26/05/2008 09:51:50 yadda-yadda-yadda tl;dr anyway, if a fat ass BATTLESHIP pulls that trick on you (OMG 3 battleships) than you guys FAIL in gatecamping and eve in general I can say ASS \o/ yay!!!
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:41:00 - [66] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Cloak-Warp trick has no counter whatsoever in low-sec, and works on all kinds of ships - even some T1 Haulers. It IS technically an exploit, a result of the Microwarpdrive not actually deactivating till the end of it's cycle when you cloak, allowing someone to activate both modules at once and still recieve a healthy speed boost. I'd love to hear an official CCP stance on this. It has a counter (you need to figure it out just like myself and others did) but the counter is not 100% guaranteed to work just like the mwd/cloak/warp trick can be screwed up and not work. It is NOT a exploit as many modules including sensor boosters, tracking computers, hardeners and all other modules finish their cycle time even if you cloak.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.26 12:52:00 - [67] Originally by: Rawr Cristina It IS technically an exploit, a result of the Microwarpdrive not actually deactivating till the end of it's cycle when you cloak, allowing someone to activate both modules at once and still recieve a healthy speed boost. I'd love to hear an official CCP stance on this. But it ISN'T technically an exploit. CCP has said no such thing. For all we know it's working as intended. And suggesting someone ask a friend to jump ahead for every low sec jump in low sec is unrealistic and ridiculous. You might say we only need to ask for those low sec jumps that are usually camped. But we all know once that catches on the lazy cry rats will just move one low sec jump away. Lazy cry rats have it way too easy in Eve. They cry every time their easy cash cows are made challenging. When in reality gate camping is easier, profitable, and even more mind-numbingly boring than any PVE profession. The cry rats are the true carebears of Eve. Right now the Risk VS. Rewards on gate camping is out of whack and needs to be balanced with a reasonable solution. Not any of this 'alt scout' or 'use a friend every time you jump' bull**** solution. There needs to be a realistic and reasonable solution.
Demitria Fernir Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.05.26 13:34:00 - [68] i once tried to gank out an industrial-type with cloak trick setup, with a 5900 scan res crusader. did not work :( it's a powerfull trick if you can use it wisely, and ,until CCP say otherwise, it's not classed as exploit :\| 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101001 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101001
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.05.26 14:36:00 - [69] Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 26/05/2008 13:08:55 Originally by: Rawr Cristina It IS technically an exploit, a result of the Microwarpdrive not actually deactivating till the end of it's cycle when you cloak, allowing someone to activate both modules at once and still recieve a healthy speed boost. I'd love to hear an official CCP stance on this. But it ISN'T technically an exploit. CCP has said no such thing. For all we know it's working as intended. And suggesting someone ask a friend to jump ahead for every low sec jump in low sec is unrealistic and ridiculous. You might say we only need to ask for those low sec jumps that are usually camped. But we all know once that catches on the lazy cry rats will just move one low sec jump away. Lazy cry rats have it way too easy in Eve. And they want to play Eve on easy mode. They cry every time their easy cash cows are made challenging. When in reality gate camping is easier, profitable, and even more mind-numbingly boring than any PVE profession. The cry rats are the true carebears of Eve. Right now the Risk VS. Rewards on gate camping is out of whack and needs to be balanced with a reasonable solution. Not any of this 'alt scout' or 'use a friend every time you jump' bull**** solution. There needs to be a realistic and reasonable solution. If Eve is becoming too hard a game for the cry rats maybe they should go camp spawn points in a easy FPS. Eve certainly doesnt seem like it's cut out for them. Eve should be hard for all players. Why should they get a break from this cold hard place? tee hee - he said 'cry rats' SKUNK
Jogvan Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.05.26 14:50:00 - [70] I haven't seen a lot of people doing this trick, some blockade runners only. Doing it in a BS is probably harder, because of the slow align time. These who do the mwd + cloak trick are normally smart players. If they didn't have that option they would just find some other way around your camp. If your camp has been up for a while there should be a nice collection of wrecks around the gate. Don't pop them, they might help you against the cloakers, and possibly even make you catch cov ops/recons
Rawr Cristina Naqam Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.05.26 19:49:00 - [71] Originally by: lecrotta It has a counter (you need to figure it out just like myself and others did) but the counter is not 100% guaranteed to work... No, the chances of it working are closer to what? 10%? You call that a counter? That's like calling 1400mm artillery a counter to Interceptors, because it might get a wrecking hit. Quote: It is NOT a exploit as many modules including sensor boosters, tracking computers, hardeners and all other modules finish their cycle time even if you cloak. Erm, so does the MWD. None of them deactivate instantly upon cloak, but rather wait until their cycle is finished. In the MWD's case the cycle is long enough to get to align speed, cloaked. Quote: But it ISN'T technically an exploit. CCP has said no such thing. For all we know it's working as intended. Just because CCP dosen't ban you for it, dosen't mean it's not an exploit. Insta-bookmarks were an exploit too, remember? MWD+Cloak trick is a result of an oversight in the game mechanics. CCP most certainly didn't design it to be able to do this. Whether or not they accept it's functionality though is another matter. ...
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.26 20:33:00 - [72] Originally by: Rawr Cristina MWD+Cloak trick is a result of an oversight in the game mechanics. CCP most certainly didn't design it to be able to do this. Just as gang mechanics weren't designed to gank players in high sec. Just as the second and third slots of your account character screen weren't designed so you can shop in high sec for your pirate main. Just as ship collision wasnt designed to bump ships away from stations and gates. Just as gates weren't designed for high rewards and low risk spawn camping. Just as bounties werent designed for self-podding free isk. Just as cloaks werent designed so you can play afk. Just as nanos werent designed as a get-out-of-pvp-for-free ships. Quote: Whether or not they accept it's functionality though is another matter. And it is NOT an exploit just because you and other cry rats don't like this being used against your fish-on-a-barrel shooting spree. You're upset because ships arent staying put while you shoot them while they spawn. The bottom line is that players are adapting and sitting on your ass shooting ships at their spawn points is not as effective. If you have a brain stem you can camp a spawn point risk-free. You're now throwing a tantrum at CCP because your targets aren't staying put. So now gatecamping is low risk low rewards, as it should have been long ago. Risk vs rewards is what Eve is all about. Deal with it.
Rawr Cristina Naqam Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.05.26 22:01:00 - [73] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Rawr Cristina MWD+Cloak trick is a result of an oversight in the game mechanics. CCP most certainly didn't design it to be able to do this. Just as gang mechanics weren't designed to gank players in high sec. Just as the second and third slots of your account character screen weren't designed so you can shop in high sec for your pirate main. Just as ship collision wasnt designed to bump ships away from stations and gates. Just as gates weren't designed for high rewards and low risk spawn camping. Just as bounties werent designed for self-podding free isk. Just as cloaks werent designed so you can play afk. Just as nanos werent designed as a get-out-of-pvp-for-free ships. are you just making these up now? Okay, so gang mechanics may need some looking-at, but as for the rest of you list... please (You also forgot Freighter Logoffski - but I guess you think that's fine too as anything that keeps you safe, regardless what it is, is obviously balanced) Quote: And it is NOT an exploit just because you and other cry rats don't like this being used against your fish-on-a-barrel shooting spree. Erm, for one, I don't pirate, so I'm not losing out to this. I USE this exploit, and will keep on using it until CCP does something about it. Same deal with aforemented Freighter logoffski letting me fly my Charon through low-sec unscouted, unescorted and 99.99% risk-free. Quote: So now gatecamping is low risk low rewards, as it should have been long ago. Risk vs rewards is what Eve is all about. Deal with it. Uh... hypocrite much? Low-sec campers are taking a massive risk camping gates. Just because they're not likely to die to some hauler, dosen't mean they can't get blobbed by the next passing gang, baited, hotdropped, jammed, bumped off the gate and whatever else. People who use the MWD+Cloak trick, on the other hand, are evading said camps with complete immunity. except to maybe a horrible lagspike. They're the ones getting their rewards risk-free. ...
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.26 22:13:00 - [74] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 26/05/2008 22:16:54 Unless you're taking a nap while camping or you're just a total moron spawn-camping IS risk free. The best we can hope for when atttacking a gate camp is to break it up and maybe catch the occasional afk gate camper. They all run like hell as soon as we jump in. Yes, occasionally we catch the brain-dead ones. But then again campers shouldnt complain considering they catch most slow ships. Stop pretending like gate camping has some art to it when it doesnt. It's easy isk with extremely low risk. It shouldnt be banned. But neither should MWD+cloak. The cry rats' easy money maker is in jeopardy and it's why they're crying to get this classified as an exploit. Cry rats need to stop being lazy and face the risks just like all other professions in low sec and 00.
Rawr Cristina Naqam Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.05.26 22:18:00 - [75] Originally by: Matrix Skye Unless you're taking a nap while camping or you're just a total moron spawn-camping IS risk free. ... They all run like hell as soon as we jump in. It's called Bait. ...
Cypher Run	Posted - 2008.05.26 22:23:00 - [76] Edited by: Cypher Run on 26/05/2008 22:35:29 Edited by: Cypher Run on 26/05/2008 22:23:22 Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Matrix Skye Unless you're taking a nap while camping or you're just a total moron spawn-camping IS risk free. ... They all run like hell as soon as we jump in. It's called Bait. We're familiar with bait. Except that gate campers have alts on other sides of systems CLOAKED.. Like I said, unless you're clueless running spawn camps, they're pretty much immune. They see us coming a mile away. Its virtually a RISK FREE profession when done by cry rats awake at the wheel. And that's not an exploit, as MWD+cloak shouldnt be either. I swear cry rats are the biggest cry babies in this game always wanting the game spoon-fed to them. No profession in Eve should be low risk-high rewards, especially in low sec and 00.
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:46:00 - [77] Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 24/05/2008 17:09:01 I believe you addressed my post with: Originally by: Tal Nok ^^ noob poster above me ^^ Not exactly much to comprehend there is there? . It's my fault your parents made you feebleminded? No. Read my first post before continuing to make your self look like an idiot. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.27 13:02:00 - [78] Originally by: Tal Nok It's my fault your parents made you feebleminded? No. Read my first post before continuing to make your self look like an idiot. Oh my, the hate posts from you cry rats are so original . You know your shooting-fish-in-a-barrel days are over and so you rely on personal insults because you don't have a leg to stand on. Boo-hoo. Cry me a river, cry rat.
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.27 13:14:00 - [79] Originally by: Matrix Skye Just as gang mechanics weren't designed to gank players in high sec. Possible oversight? Originally by: Matrix Skye Just as the second and third slots of your account character screen weren't designed so you can shop in high sec for your pirate main. So instead of using the two other character spaces, I should leave them blank as intended? What do you think the $5 transfer fee is for? I surely didn't get somthing where I should make an "O" face. Originally by: Matrix Skye Just as ship collision wasnt designed to bump ships away from stations and gates. It wasn't? Then what was it for, if you happened to randomly bump in the vastness of space? Please tell me since you seem to be a dev, what exactly was it intended for? Originally by: Matrix Skye Just as gates weren't designed for high rewards and low risk spawn camping. Have you gate camped before? Without proper scouting, you can get caught with your pants down, and get wtf pwned by a 20 man blob if they sent bait in. I risk an abso everytime I sit on that gate. You think your 4 Cargo Expander II's are going to fully pay for an abso + fittings if I go pop after finding you 500k ship was just bait for a 5bil fleet on the other side? Please, cry more. Originally by: Matrix Skye Just as bounties werent designed for self-podding free isk. Ok, I got nothing on that one. Originally by: Matrix Skye Just as cloaks werent designed so you can play afk. No, cloaks are there so you can stare at empty space all day long while your camped and bubbled into a single system. Or freak 0.0 bears out when you might pop them if they go to a belt. Originally by: Matrix Skye Just as nanos werent designed as a get-out-of-pvp-for-free ships. Is this the "I can't go as fast as you, NERF YOUR SHIP FITTINGS" whine? You can fit them to. Learn to fly your ship. Also, technically, they were designed to reduce the mass of your ship, but as I pointed out earlier, reading comprehension ftw. Originally by: Matrix Skye And it is NOT an exploit just because you and other cry rats don't like this being used against your fish-on-a-barrel shooting spree. 1. What's a "cry rats"? 2. Perhaps you should use one of those "extra character slots that are there for show only" as you incline them to be, and scout yourself through? Originally by: Matrix Skye You're upset because ships arent staying put while you shoot them while they spawn. No, I'm upset that your still posting, I'm upset that 50% of ships that come through a gate that I'm "camping" only has T1 named or better. I want faction and officer loot. Originally by: Matrix Skye The bottom line is that players are adapting and sitting on your ass shooting ships at their spawn points is not as effective. That's funny, because I coulda sworn we adapted when warp to zero came about. Instead of sitting on the outgoing gate, we sit on the incomming gate. That required movement that us pirates don't like. Since the risk/rewards thing you talk about below here, not a lot of people are actually in the belts. When they are, one of two things happen: 1. They are bait for a larger force behind another gate, or looking for an uber solo showdown. 2. They are a noob and didn't pay attention to the big "warning you will get blown up" sign. So, with that in mind, and the fact we can't use bubbles, oh wait. Gate camping is pretty viable. Originally by: Matrix Skye If you have a brain stem you can camp a spawn point risk-free. You're now throwing a tantrumat CCP because your targets aren't staying put. So now gatecamping is low risk low rewards, as it should have been long ago. Risk vs rewards is what Eve is all about. Deal with it. Irony. I've also pointed out for the most part everything wrong in your above statement. For those who think TLDR Matrix needs to stop posting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.27 13:18:00 - [80] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Tal Nok It's my fault your parents made you feebleminded? No. Read my first post before continuing to make your self look like an idiot. Oh my, the hate posts from you cry rats are so original . You know your shooting-fish-in-a-barrel days are over and so you rely on personal insults because you don't have a leg to stand on. Boo-hoo. Cry me a river, cry rat. You still havn't read the post, which means your still making yourself look like an idiot. I can keep this up all day, because I'm seriously bored at work. I rely on personal insults because it gets you going apparently. I also point out in most of my posts facts/mechanics to back them up. You - do not. At least, not legitimate ones. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
Case Mass Griefers On Demand And More	Posted - 2008.05.27 13:22:00 - [81] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Tal Nok It's my fault your parents made you feebleminded? No. Read my first post before continuing to make your self look like an idiot. Oh my, the hate posts from you cry rats are so original . You know your shooting-fish-in-a-barrel days are over and so you rely on personal insults because you don't have a leg to stand on. Boo-hoo. Cry me a river, cry rat. good reading skills you got there matrix you really showed him!
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.27 13:41:00 - [82] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 27/05/2008 13:42:34 There is nothing in his first post that even refutes the fact that gate camping if done by anyone other than chimpanzees is risk free. I have already told you cry rats as long as you keep alts on the other side of gates you are pretty much immune to bait. Only way to catch an efficient gate camp is by setting up a lame log-in trap. Fine. Gate camps, if done correctly are RISK FREE. MWD+cloak, if done correctly is RISK FREE. If one is right the other one is right. If one is wrong, they're both wrong. Stop being cry babies asking CCP to dumb down the game for you while making it harder for the rest of us that already work for our rewards.
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.27 13:59:00 - [83] Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 27/05/2008 13:42:34 There is nothing in his first post that even refutes the fact that gate camping if done by anyone other than chimpanzees is risk free. I have already told you cry rats as long as you keep alts on the other side of gates you are pretty much immune to bait. Only way to catch an efficient gate camp is by setting up a lame log-in trap. Fine. Gate camps, if done correctly are RISK FREE. MWD+cloak, if done correctly is RISK FREE. If one is right the other one is right. If one is wrong, they're both wrong. Stop being cry babies asking CCP to dumb down the game for you while making it harder for the rest of us that already work for our rewards. Ok, I see you have some serious reading issues and have made yet another unintelligent post. My first post was in reguards to people comprehending the simplicity (or at least I thought) the mechanics of stopping the mwd+cloak ordeal. Not about being risk free. If you read my elongated post where I shred yours to parts (which is above here somewhere), you will find what you thought you were looking for just a moment ago. Not once did I mention anything about logon traps as metagamining is purely for pansies who still live in thier mothers basement (sorry, command center). Matrix, apparently you havn't played long enough to realize that: In low sec you gain HP (makes you harder to kill) In low sec, you can't use bubbles or dictors (with the exception of the heavy dictor infinipoint(tm) which makes you harder to kill) There is warp to 0 (which makes you harder to kill since you no longer have to fly 15km to the gate) Working hard for your rewards? Please, being a bear allows you to at least afk. I still have to click twice. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.05.27 16:44:00 - [84] everytime i run a gate camp i smile when i hear those little tears roll down the cheeks onto the campers keyboards it's true.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:17:00 - [85] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 27/05/2008 17:20:04 Originally by: Tal Nok In low sec you gain HP (makes you harder to kill) WTF are you even mumbling here? Quote: In low sec, you can't use bubbles or dictors (with the exception of the heavy dictor infinipoint(tm) which makes you harder to kill) What does this even have to do with me and my gang not being able to kill the crying gate campers? HELLO? I'm arguing that camps are just as invulnerable as MWD+cloak trick? Why are you avoiding my argument? Quote: There is warp to 0 (which makes you harder to kill since you no longer have to fly 15km to the gate) Harder to kill? You move to the other side of the gate and that was hard to do? You're only proving the point further that cry rats ARE lazy! Quote: Working hard for your rewards? Please, being a bear allows you to at least afk. I still have to click twice. You're a funny cry rat. You think carebearing in low sec is easy? I rest my case with you. Keep those tears dropping. Keep that river flowing. And keep running away when my gang shows up to bust your gate camp. The more bears know about this the more they can run away from you. And thus we're even.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:27:00 - [86] Originally by: Matrix Skye stuff Angry carebear on caffeine spotted ITT
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.27 19:57:00 - [87] Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: Matrix Skye stuff Angry carebear on caffeine spotted ITT All natural, no caffeine. And it sure as hell beats their pittiful tears .
Greenbolt Un4seen Development	Posted - 2008.05.27 21:57:00 - [88] Edited by: Greenbolt on 27/05/2008 21:57:54 OMGWTF they nerfed gatecamping. Excuse my while I do not sob. To be more serious...matrix is right. Good gate campers have scouts cloaked or docked in surrounding systems to make sure local count doesnt climb. Sure bait/cyno might work..but they are going to scatter before most cap ships can lock..or gate hunging campers will jump through gate. So gate camping is very low risk for the competent. Gate camp running in low sec with the right setup and timing is very low risk. I dont see the issue. You kill the noobs/unskilled and every else escapes. Unless your noobs your hard to kill and can escape. Low risk for skilled pilots on both sides. Sounds balanced to me. (Even WTZ meant nothing changed. Smart players bought BM sets and had WTZ already (or made there own)) Hopefully for all those pirates out there.low sec will improve with FW because lets be honest...the guys you used to pop where the ones who didnt know what they were doing and trying lowsec out for profit.... right now everyone knows there isnt any profit to low sec..and only travel it commonly to get out to 0.0...or take that shortcut for empire travelling..theres just no real reason to stay profit wise. --------------------------------------------------- Scordite -Who was it that said that flying minmatar is kinda like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an uzi?
Cloora Black River Industries	Posted - 2008.05.27 23:01:00 - [89] Until they nerf HIC's scan res so a stabbed ship has a chance of making it past camps the MWD+cloak trick stays.
Serafina Palacios	Posted - 2008.05.27 23:32:00 - [90] can't you just put a few smartbom BS at the gate and warp in with a whole fleet of noob ships and leave the wrecks because you didn't need the salv and loot? (use alts for the noob ships) and so far only trick i use is a arbi that warp in under 2 sec. -----SIG----- Serafina Palacios former Major in the Republic cadre. now wanted for treason, teft of carde ships and documents and murder of cadre personnel.
Dotard Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.28 03:04:00 - [91] Originally by: Cloora Until they nerf HIC's scan res so a stabbed ship has a chance of making it past camps the MWD+cloak trick stays. This --------------- Nerf You! Buff Me!
Sniper Wolf18 Apocalypse Ponies	Posted - 2008.05.28 09:50:00 - [92] Edited by: Sniper Wolf18 on 28/05/2008 09:50:37 Hauler Shuttles More shuttles Jettison on gate Repeat until you have a few hundred floating around Watch BS try to cloak, or do anything for that matter PS: Gms mightnt be too happy about it....
Bahhs Deep	Posted - 2008.05.28 09:55:00 - [93] Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 Edited by: Sniper Wolf18 on 28/05/2008 09:50:37 Hauler Shuttles More shuttles Jettison on gate Repeat until you have a few hundred floating around Watch BS try to cloak, or do anything for that matter PS: Gms mightnt be too happy about it.... That's because CCP hates pirates...
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.28 13:55:00 - [94] Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 27/05/2008 17:20:04 Originally by: Tal Nok In low sec you gain HP (makes you harder to kill) WTF are you even mumbling here? Quote: In low sec, you can't use bubbles or dictors (with the exception of the heavy dictor infinipoint(tm) which makes you harder to kill) What does this even have to do with me and my gang not being able to kill the crying gate campers? HELLO? I'm arguing that camps are just as invulnerable as MWD+cloak trick? Why are you avoiding my argument? Quote: There is warp to 0 (which makes you harder to kill since you no longer have to fly 15km to the gate) Harder to kill? You move to the other side of the gate and that was hard to do? You're only proving the point further that cry rats ARE lazy! Quote: Working hard for your rewards? Please, being a bear allows you to at least afk. I still have to click twice. You're a funny cry rat. You think carebearing in low sec is easy? I rest my case with you. Keep those tears dropping. Keep that river flowing. And keep running away when my gang shows up to bust your gate camp. The more bears know about this the more they can run away from you. And thus we're even. 1) Reading patch notes ftw. If your going to argue about somthing at least be intelligent enough to do your homework. 2) Do you even know what you are arguing anymore? This thread had nothing to do about you and your gang killing gate camps. This was about gate camps being annoyed with the mwd+cloak bit. Figured the title would have given that away. 2a) My argument has been you should not be allowed to post as they are-for the most part, nonsenical when you add 2+2. Gate camps are not invulerable, and if you think they are then you obviously have not camped a gate long enough. There are entirely too many "if" situations where a gate camp could be busted. (heres a hint, how many people actually have a scout in the surrounding 5 systems?) 3) With warp to 0 yes, I could jump through, but guess what boy genius? You could be anywhere between 0-30km away and last I checked, a t2 scram wouldn't get you at 30km away. If I had a mwd fitted, I might be able to close the distance, but would then lack the lock time modules to catch you. 4) I'm not crying, I'm proving that your an idiot with no game mechanic backing. Run from your gate camp? Please, I live in Aridia, Vehan, come get me....please. No seriously, I beg you to come out here. Make sure you get 50 people and smack talk in local all night. Those are my favorite past times. 5) Stop posting nonsenical spew. Do your homework and at least do SOME research into the diarrhea you are spewing from your fingertips. And yes, carebearing is easy. If you think otherwise perhaps it is user error? Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.28 14:30:00 - [95] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 28/05/2008 14:33:53 Originally by: Tal Nok 1) Reading patch notes ftw. If your going to argue about somthing at least be intelligent enough to do your homework. You said: Quote: In low sec you gain HP (makes you harder to kill) If you're talking about the HP buff from a few patches ago, first it doesn't just apply to low sec. Second, surprise! It makes the cry rats harder to kill as well! So what is your point? You can't kill as many carebears and I can't kill as many cry rats. Even, wouldn't you say? . If you're talking about some misterious "HP buff" in low sec, proof or STFU. Quote: 2) Do you even know what you are arguing anymore? This thread had nothing to do about you and your gang killing gate camps. This was about gate camps being annoyed with the mwd+cloak bit. Figured the title would have given that away. Here it is again: This thread is about cry rats not being able to kill anyone using MWD+cloak properly. To that I say that a properly set up gate camp with alts in nearby systems are also invulnerable to kills. They are both FINE as it is. Obviously to the cry rats it isn't because they want to remain invulnerable. If you get killed in gate camps then you fail at gate camps and that isn't my problem. Quote: 2a) My argument has been you should not be allowed to post as they are-for the most part, nonsenical when you add 2+2. Stop crying and I'll stop posting. Quote: Gate camps are not invulerable, and if you think they are then you obviously have not camped a gate long enough. There are entirely too many "if" situations where a gate camp could be busted. (heres a hint, how many people actually have a scout in the surrounding 5 systems?) Too many "if's? Again, you FAIL at gatecamping. It's easy to bust gate camps. But I'm not looking to bust them the same way you're not just looking to scare off your prey. We're looking to KILL the campers. But they run at the first site of anything remotely close to their numbers. Cry rats at their best really. Alts alert them before we even jump through the gates. Again, it's not my fault that you fail at gatecamping. Or maybe you're just protecting your I-win. Quote: 3) With warp to 0 yes, I could jump through, but guess what boy genius? You could be anywhere between 0-30km away and last I checked, a t2 scram wouldn't get you at 30km away. If I had a mwd fitted, I might be able to close the distance, but would then lack the lock time modules to catch you. If you're not catching most of your prey on the other side of the gate you, sir, are full of fail . It sounds to me like your gang of campers are totally clueless in running camps. Not my fault. I'll give you a small hint though: Use an inty or two . Quote: 4) I'm not crying, I'm proving that your an idiot with no game mechanic backing. Run from your gate camp? Please, I live in Aridia, Vehan, come get me....please. No seriously, I beg you to come out here. Make sure you get 50 people and smack talk in local all night. Those are my favorite past times. Ofcourse you're tough. All cry rats are tough with all the killins you do in gatecamps 'n all . You are good at the idiotic smack in the forums. I do give you that. Originally by: Tal Nok 5) I'll now stop posting nonsenical spew. I'll do my homework and at least do SOME research into the diarrhea I'm spewing from my fingertips. And yes, crying and gatecamping are easy. If I think otherwise perhaps it is user error? I whole-heartedly agree with you on this.
Pure Blood	Posted - 2008.05.28 14:48:00 - [96] The only way i've found and the way i suggest is as soon as a target jumps in everyone in gang opens convo with him, i have found this to cause the target to lag or at least confuse him into not timimg their activations right and locking them. Of course this is if they haven't got the reject button on. Try it and report back
Case Mass Griefers On Demand And More	Posted - 2008.05.28 15:01:00 - [97] haha he called you out Matrix and your turning and running tail with your "I'm a touch guy on the forums". You petitioned for an Arab joke, yet look at your language on these forums. Angry yet? BTW, cry rat, is some term that you have made up that sounds like your in 6th grade. Seriously, come up with some new form of slander. My son can come up with better. Oh, and from reading all the pages, doesn't seem like hes the one crying...you are lrn 2 read kthnx i rock your face
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.28 15:14:00 - [98] Originally by: Case Mass BTW, cry rat, is some term that you have made up that sounds like your in 6th grade. Seriously, come up with some new form of slander. My son can come up with better. Did your son help you with: Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Keep 'em comin', cry rats.
Zachariah Barnette DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.28 15:16:00 - [99] Matrix.. As you said...proof or stfu. Come bust our gatecamp. Lets see about your "epic failures of breaking cry rat gate camps" whatever a cry rat is. I'll give you a thesaurus to use on your way out. Originally by: T'Renn In Soviet Heimatar, gate camps you.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.28 15:18:00 - [100] What? Are only cry rats allowed to come up with silly names for players that don't share your interests? I'm speaking your language, cry rats. Don't like it? Then grow up.
Case Mass Griefers On Demand And More	Posted - 2008.05.28 15:19:00 - [101] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Case Mass BTW, cry rat, is some term that you have made up that sounds like your in 6th grade. Seriously, come up with some new form of slander. My son can come up with better. Did your son help you with: Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Keep 'em comin', cry rats. uh...no, and why you are thinking of pedophillia is beyond me, but how original. whatever a cry rat is, I'm not one of them market pvp ftw bear boy (look, I can make stupid names too!)
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.28 15:24:00 - [102] Originally by: Matrix Skye proof or STFU. Originally by: Matrix Skye I whole-heartedly agree with you on this. tbqfh quit typing and get down here ps: cry rat is not in our terminology book, or our noob to awesome pirate book Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.28 15:24:00 - [103] Originally by: Case Mass uh...no, and why you are thinking of pedophillia is beyond me, but how original. whatever a cry rat is, I'm not one of them market pvp ftw bear boy (look, I can make stupid names too!) Obviously there is someone thinking of pedophellia here, but I assure you it isn't me. I'd suggest you get your mind out of the gutter, cry rat . By the way, don't like being called called a cry rat? Here's an idea, stop offending the players you don't like by calling them carebears and such. Looks like you don't enjoy name-calling. Its funny how you cry rats get all emo and sensitive when your own crap is slung back at you.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.28 15:33:00 - [104] Originally by: Tal Nok Originally by: Matrix Skye proof or STFU. Originally by: Matrix Skye I whole-heartedly agree with you on this. tbqfh quit typing and get down here ps: cry rat is not in our terminology book, or our noob to awesome pirate book Assuming my gang mates are ok in travelling there we will be paying you a visit. And BTW, I suppose carebear (in the demeaning way you use it to insult) and noob are in your dictionary, right? Because those names are cool and stuff Doesn't feel good to be insulted, eh? Learning something yet, cry rats?
Case Mass Griefers On Demand And More	Posted - 2008.05.28 15:38:00 - [105] Originally by: Matrix Skye Look, I'm full of tears and my wrists are slit because people call me names. Oh the horrible thoughts of pedophillia I had and I got caught, so I'm rubber and your glue. I make up names to call people cause it makes me feel better when I can't break up a gate camp because I don't know how to play this game. I just want to die and listen to bad music. Uh, you called me a name first emo boy.
Zachariah Barnette DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.28 15:40:00 - [106] Originally by: Matrix Skye Learning something yet, cry rats? I learned your a babbling idiot. Originally by: T'Renn In Soviet Heimatar, gate camps you.
Ordon Gundar Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2008.05.28 15:43:00 - [107] To the OP... Dont sit on gates making the game predictable then!! The people who use this "trick" have invested the time in skills, mods and braincells do devise it. Stop crying and try to beat it!! Fly fast..Rats Die..Buy Low..Sell High- Ordon Gundar, CEO of Gundars Independent Traders - Space (G.I.T.S)
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.28 15:46:00 - [108] Originally by: Case Mass Originally by: Matrix Skye Look, I'm full of tears and my wrists are slit because people call me names. Oh the horrible thoughts of pedophillia I had and I got caught, so I'm rubber and your glue. I make up names to call people cause it makes me feel better when I can't break up a gate camp because I don't know how to play this game. I just want to die and listen to bad music. Uh, you called me a name first emo boy. 1- Read the OP again. It'll clue you in as to who's complaining. 2- What is up with you and pedophilia? Seriously . 3- I have said we CAN break gate camps. It's the cry rats running away I take issue against. And again, only because the OP takes issue with players using the MWD+cloak to escape from him. I say it's pretty much balanced. 4- Again, don't like being stereo-typed, right? Then what lesson have we learned today?
Case Mass Griefers On Demand And More	Posted - 2008.05.28 16:01:00 - [109] Edited by: Case Mass on 28/05/2008 16:06:34 1) I'm trolling I dont need to read OP's. 2) pedophillia came from you talking about sons and face rocking. But as someone previously pointed out you have reading comprehension issues. 3)You are repeating yourself again "It's the cry rats running away I take issue against." You couldn't catch them = you failed. 4) I like being stero typed. I like being made fun of. It makes people like you feel better. 5) Your a stupid cry rat. lawls edit: 1) tregorn something or ever is complaining - not me. Again, reading comprehension issues. 2) read the OP this has nothing to do with your lack of ability to busting gate camps. Again, reading comprehension issues. 3) stupid cry rat 4) lawls
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.28 16:13:00 - [110] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 28/05/2008 16:18:16 Originally by: Case Mass 1) I'm trolling I dont need to read OP's. Yes, that much is obvious. Quote: 2) pedophillia came from you talking about sons and face rocking. But as someone previously pointed out you have reading comprehension issues. YOU made a comment on how your son can come up with better insults other than "cry rat". And I asked if your son helped you come up with "i rock your face", or something silly to that effect. Then you called me a pedophile . You dug your own hole on that one. Not me. Quote: 3)You couldn't catch them = you failed. Are you talking to me or the OP? I can't tell . Quote: 4) I like being stero typed. I like being made fun of. It makes people like you feel better. I think you're getting a little **ed off I'd say . And who says hate mails are the only entertainment, eh? You cry rats provide for some funny inconsistent entertaining hate posts yourself. And I'm glad you enjoy being called a cry rat. I think it's befitting. Originally by:** Case Mass 5) I'm a stupid cry rat. lawls Again, yes, that much is obvious.
Khanto Thor Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.05.28 16:32:00 - [111] Edited by: Khanto Thor on 28/05/2008 16:32:30 Originally by: Tregaron Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 23/05/2008 14:06:18 So, some players are surviving your gate camp. CCP, this is just unacceptable! i don't mind peeps getting away but everyone using the same tactic is boring. jump----> mwd ----> cloak ----> decloak ----> insta warp hey thanks for that tip!! I'll try it out... don't you just love these forums!
Case Mass Griefers On Demand And More	Posted - 2008.05.28 16:37:00 - [112] Originally by: Matrix Skye blah blah blah i have no idea whats going on You do realize that everyone is making fun of you right?
Zachariah Barnette DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.28 16:39:00 - [113] Originally by: Case Mass You do realize that everyone is making fun of you right? He's too concieded to realize it or just completely oblivious to the fact. Originally by: T'Renn In Soviet Heimatar, gate camps you.
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.28 16:41:00 - [114] Originally by: Case Mass Originally by: Matrix Skye blah blah blah i have no idea whats going on You do realize that everyone is making fun of you right? just...lol Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.28 16:46:00 - [115] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 28/05/2008 16:49:00 Originally by: Tal Nok just...lol Tell me, cry rat. Did you really "laugh out loud" when you typed LOL? Do people really "LOL" as much as they type it? I've always wanted to know .
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.28 16:56:00 - [116] Actually it was a more of a hearty chuckle from the things we were comparing you with on vent. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.28 16:58:00 - [117] Originally by: Case Mass Originally by: Matrix Skye blah blah blah i have no idea whats going on You do realize that everyone is making fun of you right? everyone? Isn't that a little exaggerated? I mean, it is possible, but... If even some one person agrees with me, aren't you techinically incorrect? Or by "everyone" do you mean the cry rats? Because that would make a little more sense I think. Or, by "everyone" do you mean you, and the other two cry rats from LEGION whatever corp? And if by "everyone" you really do mean everyone, is everyone having a get-together or phone party I don't know about? Because then I'd really feel embarrassed and stuff for not being invited .
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.28 16:59:00 - [118] Originally by: Tal Nok Actually it was a more of a hearty chuckle from the things we were comparing you with on vent. Ah, ok. Well that makes sense :)
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.05.28 17:28:00 - [119] Edited by: Omarvelous on 28/05/2008 17:30:04 I hope this page in this thread ins't someone in Death's Legion with Matrix as an alt and is arguing with himself. I've seen people in interceptors kill a covert ops pilot in 0.0 without a bubble. Sure in low sec you won't kill the guy with your interceptor - but you can bump and keep them from cloaking. And whoever thinks lagging out your prey (by throwing a zillion convos at them) to screw them up is a worthwhile way to pvp needs to realize that winning in a computer game with pixels doesn't need to come at any cost... __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Zachariah Barnette DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.28 17:39:00 - [120] Originally by: Omarvelous Edited by: Omarvelous on 28/05/2008 17:30:04 I hope this page in this thread ins't someone in Death's Legion with Matrix as an alt and is arguing with himself. Please tell me your kidding about the thought even crossing your mind. Originally by: T'Renn In Soviet Heimatar, gate camps you.
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.28 17:55:00 - [121] Originally by: Omarvelous I hope this page in this thread ins't someone in Death's Legion with Matrix as an alt and is arguing with himself. If that thing was an alt, I would have made it at least cute. This was like watching a 500lbs hemaphrodite in skin color lycra bend over. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.28 17:59:00 - [122] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 28/05/2008 18:04:50 Hah! We got you all good, though! I bet you were believing DEATH LEGION'S nonsense rants . Alright boys, the shenanigans are over. Well-played, Omar. Well-played o/ Nice to see you again, buddy. Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.28 18:27:00 - [123] :( bah now I need to find another thread to infest Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
Tekeran The Hull Miners Union The Red Skull	Posted - 2008.05.28 19:14:00 - [124] You do realise that pirates camping gates have to tank about 400 dps from sentry guns, right? Add the fact that anyone can shoot at us without sentry aggression and I would say there is quite a bit of risk involved in low sec gate camping. Trying to tank 400 dps from sentries AND what ever dps the other guy is doing isn't easy. Now the MWD+Cloak trick is, by definition, an exploit but by CCP's standards its not an exploit until they say it is. If CCP follows what they have done in the past they will eventually fix it so you can't do it anymore but until then there is nothing anyone can do about it. We are now recruiting!
Brax Draggen	Posted - 2008.05.28 19:29:00 - [125] Originally by: Tregaron well yesterday was doing my normal low sec camping when 3x battleships roll through 1 by 1 each 1 of them did cloak warp trick so fair enough can't do anything then few minutes later a prowler jumps through the gate and also does this tactic. this kinder anoying when everyone is doing it. well my next trick is to get my broadsword scan res to 2,900 then see if they can cloak. possible? Seriously? Get over it. I hate gate camps and running them. IÆm not going to cry foul though. But you wonÆt catch me at one either. I think the mechanics are just fine. For anyone running solo or in a small group anything outside of empire is dangerous. As it should be. Gate camps are part of that danger and a large part of why carebears avoid low sec. Gate camps should be a way of controlling territory or harassing someone else who does, not seen as a way to make money. Camp runners wonÆt change that. I wish pirates would get a little more creative. Get off the gates. Let mission runners, ratters, and miners get into a system. Heck, wait for several. Then camp the exits and hunt them down. Better yet, offer to let them through for a few. Their only real escape will be to log. Myself I hate to log in low sec. Then I just have to sneak or fight out later. The point is; if carebears thought they had a chance to make money in low sec they would show up. You pirates should work together to not saturate low sec. Or, work on chasing out rival gangs. You should quit crying about the prey to too limited and too smart. ItÆs your own fault for over hunting. Maybe CCP should instate Pirate or hunting licenses. You pay X to get rights to X number of ship and pod kills in X sec level. This just might stop pirates from overhunting. (Yeah not likely, I know.) Also, you donÆt need a cloak to run gate camps. I never use cloaks and I have run countless camps and only been caught twice. Once it was a large well organized camp, the other just bad luck. I just use small fast ships to get around. And, I usually use afterburners instead or MWDs. Keeps the sig lower. Even at a bubbled gate, IÆm in warp or out of scram range faster than campers can usually lock.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.28 19:52:00 - [126] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 28/05/2008 19:59:20 Originally by: Tekeran You do realise that pirates camping gates have to tank about 400 dps from sentry guns, right? Add the fact that anyone can shoot at us without sentry aggression and I would say there is quite a bit of risk involved in low sec gate camping. Trying to tank 400 dps from sentries AND what ever dps the other guy is doing isn't easy. Now the MWD+Cloak trick is, by definition, an exploit but by CCP's standards its not an exploit until they say it is. If CCP follows what they have done in the past they will eventually fix it so you can't do it anymore but until then there is nothing anyone can do about it. The 400 dps figure only applies if one aggressed cry rat is camping the gate. Add more to the party and the sentries quickly become a joke. That's not my issue anyway. What I'm saying is MWD+cloak is just as fine as gate camps. They're both low risk (in terms of dying) if you have a working brain stem. The smarter bears will get away. But the smarter cry rats also get away from camp busters. Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Philipius Maximus Corporation 1	Posted - 2008.05.28 20:58:00 - [127] I dig this thread for its ZACHATTACK domination. I <3 ze BARNETT
Lithium Star DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.28 21:47:00 - [128] These kinds of threads are so fun, its like a weekly rant/cryfest. O and yes I know the sekret solution to stop this mwd cloaking madness! but then again nobody really listens anyways so fugg it.
Von Kleist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.28 22:47:00 - [129] If you can't figure out the counters to this trick, you should probably just take up mining.
Donna Maria	Posted - 2008.05.29 00:41:00 - [130] Wow, Between the Failing So called Pirate tears and the Carebear tears I can make some nice lemonade-Iced Tea. (1/2 and half :) ) Yum! Cant believe the crying here .. Loveing it! Im the girl momma warned you about..
Kristrina Belaure	Posted - 2008.05.29 02:10:00 - [131] Gate camping is a part of a pirates life, and being in a compact little circle with my alliance, if we find a gate camp we can blob the campers from 3, yes 3 DIFFERENT locations, sure they can warp away, but most likely they are flashing red, so they cant just go up and jump into high sec, and if they try jump through a different gate, Umm, sorry, busted at the other gates by our interceptors just waiting for a kill. against an organised counterattack, gatecamps have a 0% chance of survival, i seem to recall we did almost 2b of damage once just using tech 1 cruisers and a few interceptors
Boknamar The Knights Trevor	Posted - 2008.05.29 02:30:00 - [132] Originally by: Donna Maria Wow, Between the Failing So called Pirate tears and the Carebear tears I can make some nice lemonade-Iced Tea. (1/2 and half :) ) Yum! Cant believe the crying here .. Loveing it! The passion that some people bring to issues like this is indeed fascinating. And most illogical.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.05.29 03:07:00 - [133] Originally by: Matrix Skye If you're not catching most of your prey on the other side of the gate you, sir, are full of fail . It sounds to me like your gang of campers are totally clueless in running camps. Not my fault. I'll give you a small hint though: Use an inty or two . WTB: Sentry proof inty SKUNK
Yendaj Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.05.29 06:11:00 - [134] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Matrix Skye If you're not catching most of your prey on the other side of the gate you, sir, are full of fail . It sounds to me like your gang of campers are totally clueless in running camps. Not my fault. I'll give you a small hint though: Use an inty or two . WTB: Sentry proof inty SKUNK WTB: Inty pilot that doesnt suck!! (dont be too****y out there winks) 2008.05.27 03:16 Victim: xxxxxxx Alliance: None Corp: Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Destroyed: Malediction System: PVH8-0 Security: 0.0 Damage Taken: 1149 Involved parties: Name: Yendaj (laid the final blow) Security: -6.1 Alliance: Heretic Nation Corp: Heretic Army Ship: Drake Weapon: Scourge Heavy Missile Damage Done: 1110 Name: Alan Flease Security: 0.7 Alliance: Heretic Nation Corp: Heretic Academy Ship: Vexor Weapon: Hornet I Damage Done: 39 Destroyed items: Standard Missile Launcher II Standard Missile Launcher II Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile, Qty: 42 Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I Warp Disruptor II Type-D Altered SS Overdrive Injector Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile, Qty: 688 (Cargo) Caldari Navy Sabretooth Light Missile, Qty: 500 (Cargo) Hammerhead II, Qty: 2 (Cargo) Dropped items: Standard Missile Launcher II Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile, Qty: 84 Type-D Altered SS Overdrive Injector Signal Amplifier II Hammerhead II, Qty: 3 (Cargo) Flameburst Precision Light Missile, Qty: 470 (Cargo)
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:47:00 - [135] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Matrix Skye If you're not catching most of your prey on the other side of the gate you, sir, are full of fail . It sounds to me like your gang of campers are totally clueless in running camps. Not my fault. I'll give you a small hint though: Use an inty or two . WTB: Sentry proof inty SKUNK And thus another cry rat that can't run a properly set up gate camp. Keep the tears rolling, cry rats. I'm very much enjoying your crying! Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:08:00 - [136] Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 11:10:40 Matrix Skye, you are either a very very new player in EVE or extremely stupid player that doesn't know **** about how EVE really works. Every minded person who know how the game mechanics works in EVE does know that the MWD + Cloak trick is not supposed to be like that. Was the MWD designed to let you do the MWD + Cloak trick, or was it supposed to give you a speed boost? I know your a carebear who knows that you can use the trick to be more safe in low sec. But booohooo, can't affort to lose some pixels in low sec?, your a damn carebear with tons of isk. Well for 0.0 space the trick isn't actually a problem, even when it's not intended to be used like that, but the real problem is in low sec.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:25:00 - [137] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 11:10:40 Matrix Skye, you are either a very very new player in EVE or extremely stupid player that doesn't know ** about how EVE really works. Oh noes! Here comes Triumvirate's #1 Carebear Cry Rat to the rescue . Tell me, Nightmare, have you finished packing all your crap and back to empire yet? Quote: Every minded person who know how the game mechanics works in EVE does know that the MWD + Cloak trick is not supposed to be like that. Was the MWD designed to let you do the MWD + Cloak trick, or was it supposed to give you a speed boost? Ok, cry rat. Are your tears based on CCP information or just on "it's just not fair that cry rats aren't killin' everything anymore!"? Proof or STFU. Quote: I know your a carebear who knows that you can use the trick to be more safe in low sec. But booohooo, can't affort to lose some pixels in low sec?, your a damn carebear with tons of isk. Oh I love the 'pixel' argument from the cry rats. Tell me cry rat, if they're just pixels then what's with your obsession with your pixel-based killboard? What is your obsession with killin' the pixels and crying when you don't? And yes, I'm a carebear as you're a cry rat with the obsession of killing pixels to feel tough. Where do we go from here, badass? Quote: Well for 0.0 space the trick isn't actually a problem, even when it's not intended to be used like that, but the real problem is in low sec. No, the real problem is with cry rats like yourself trying to soften up the game for yourselves and make it tougher for the rest. Get a clue and adapt, silly cry rat. Originally by:** Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
omglollolol	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:26:00 - [138] Originally by: Tal Nok ^^ noob poster above me ^^ noob talking about noob, impressive,not ____________________________ You may not share my intellect, which might explain your disrespect, for all I say ;p _________________
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:27:00 - [139] Edited by: lecrotta on 29/05/2008 11:32:20 Originally by: NightmareX Every minded person who know how the game mechanics works in EVE does know that the MWD + Cloak trick is not supposed to be like that. Was the MWD designed to let you do the MWD + Cloak trick, or was it supposed to give you a speed boost? Well for 0.0 space the trick isn't actually a problem, even when it's not intended to be used like that, but the real problem is in low sec. Using your modules in this way correctly allows a large or small ship to pass through low sec space relatively safely, although a ceptor has the ability to decloak a ship doing this maneuver before it has finished aligning. Not only that but the maneuver must be performed perfectly or the ship will be locked before he manages to cloak up. I must say im still on the fence about this maneuver as to if its a exploit or if it should be classed as a fully credited skillful maneuver. My main concern on this matter is that removing the ability to perform maneuvers like this from the game will push eve pvp towards a dull minded fitting tool style of "fly by math" to see who wins or losses. And obviously the fact that the hunters in low sec have total advantage over the ppl passing through it and may miss a few kills due to this maneuver but are still getting plenty. I have known and used this maneuver for a very very long time while traveling through low sec or to get through camps in 0.0 that did not have a dictor. And although i fly with a extremely predatory corp and we do miss a few kills due to this maneuver im still not convinced it needs to be removed or is a fully fledged exploit and not a great maneuver that should be kept to enhance the enjoyment of eve (its a real rush when you warp through a camp of 20 or more peeps with fast lockers in low sec in a BS).
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:28:00 - [140] See? I can spew insults just like you, cry rats? Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
omglollolol	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:29:00 - [141] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 11:17:28 Matrix Skye, you are either a very very new player in EVE or extremely stupid player that doesn't know **** about how EVE really works. Every minded person who know how the game mechanics works in EVE does know that the MWD + Cloak trick is not supposed to be like that. Was the MWD designed to let you do the MWD + Cloak trick, or was it supposed to give you a speed boost? I know your a carebear who knows that you can use the trick to be more safe in low sec. But booohooo, can't affort to lose some pixels in low sec?, your a damn carebear with tons of isk. Well for 0.0 space the trick isn't actually a problem, even when it's not intended to be used like that, but the real problem is in low sec. And don't reply with 'I know this and that better than you', because i have been in this game much longer than you can imagine. So i know how most of the things in EVE works. So no point by arguing with me that I KNOW is right. That's what you think.... ..not to say it's so stupid, I doubt one could ever be even thinking when producing such a garbage ____________________________ You may not share my intellect, which might explain your disrespect, for all I say ;p _________________
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:31:00 - [142] Oh i forgot to say. IN BEFORE THE CRYING CAREBEARS.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:32:00 - [143] Originally by: NightmareX Oh i forgot to say. IN BEFORE THE CRYING CAREBEARS. Too late. Read the OP . Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:34:00 - [144] And btw Matrix Skye, you just lost in this topic, because all you do now is calling all who know what we are talking about a cry rat. Maybe you should come with some proof that you are right? but i bet you doesn't have, because you are only thinking omgomg, finally i can be safe in low sec, nothing is more important.
omglollolol	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:40:00 - [145] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 11:38:08 And btw Matrix Skye, you just lost in this topic, because all you do now is calling all who know what we are talking about a cry rat. Maybe you should come with some proof that you are right? but i bet you doesn't have, because you are only thinking omgomg, finally i can be safe in low sec, nothing is more important. And just so you know, everyone that is defending this trick is classed as a crying carebear, so calling us who are against it a cry rat is just LOL. You can say whatever you like Matrix Skye, but calling others for cry rat wont make you be more right than us who really KNOWS how the machanics works. it obviously must be killing brain cells of everyone who reads your post. Nightmare can't you stand your name now uh? Everybody using the trick is having sweet dreams instead... I can feel your pain, join care church for free donuts. ____________________________ You may not share my intellect, which might explain your disrespect, for all I say ;p _________________
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:41:00 - [146] Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 11:42:26 Originally by: omglollolol Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 11:38:08 And btw Matrix Skye, you just lost in this topic, because all you do now is calling all who know what we are talking about a cry rat. Maybe you should come with some proof that you are right? but i bet you doesn't have, because you are only thinking omgomg, finally i can be safe in low sec, nothing is more important. And just so you know, everyone that is defending this trick is classed as a crying carebear, so calling us who are against it a cry rat is just LOL. You can say whatever you like Matrix Skye, but calling others for cry rat wont make you be more right than us who really KNOWS how the machanics works. it obviously must be killing brain cells of everyone who reads your post. Nightmare can't you stand your name now uh? Everybody using the trick is having sweet dreams instead... I can feel your pain, join care church for free donuts. , well that was a really good post on why the trick is ok to use, wow seriously. WTB: Proof why the MWD + Cloak trick is right and good to use in EVE. I'll guess that wont EVER happen.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:42:00 - [147] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 11:36:06 And btw Matrix Skye, you just lost in this topic, because all you do now is calling all who know what we are talking about a cry rat. Maybe you should come with some proof that you are right? but i bet you doesn't have, because you are only thinking omgomg, finally i can be safe in low sec, nothing is more important. And just so you know, everyone that is defending this trick is classed as a crying carebear, so calling us who are against it a cry rat is just LOL. ... Said the nano-cry rat. You bet I doesn't have proof? You're the one calling this mechanic an exploit. How about you provide the proof? Oh, that's right, why do that when you can cry on the forums to have CCP make the game easier for you, cry rat. Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
omglollolol	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:45:00 - [148] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 11:42:26 Originally by: omglollolol Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 11:38:08 And btw Matrix Skye, you just lost in this topic, because all you do now is calling all who know what we are talking about a cry rat. Maybe you should come with some proof that you are right? but i bet you doesn't have, because you are only thinking omgomg, finally i can be safe in low sec, nothing is more important. And just so you know, everyone that is defending this trick is classed as a crying carebear, so calling us who are against it a cry rat is just LOL. You can say whatever you like Matrix Skye, but calling others for cry rat wont make you be more right than us who really KNOWS how the machanics works. it obviously must be killing brain cells of everyone who reads your post. Nightmare can't you stand your name now uh? Everybody using the trick is having sweet dreams instead... I can feel your pain, join care church for free donuts. , well that was a really good post on why the trick is ok to use, wow seriously. WTB: Proof why the MWD + Cloak trick is right and good to use in EVE. I'll guess that wont EVER happen. that's the spirit! Everything requiring skill must be nerfed, otherwise skillless like you cannot 'shine'.. very interesting. And talking about proves... the day you prove me that MWD+cloak is not right and good trick to use in EVE I'll prove you it is. Do your homework ____________________________ You may not share my intellect, which might explain your disrespect, for all I say ;p _________________
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:49:00 - [149] Quote: And btw Matrix Skye, you just lost in this topic, because all you do now is calling all who know what we are talking about a cry rat. No, cry rat. You have to look beyond the name-calling. The answers are all there. It's just I have to insult the cry rats to get their attention, given your short attention spans . You're fixating yourself too much on 'cry rat'. If you cry rats weren't as daft I'd hold a more mature conversation with you all. But honestly, this is the most response I've gotten from you cry rats in all of my posting history here. This entire thread is a brain cell killer. But is sure as hell entertaining with all your tears . Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:52:00 - [150] Originally by: NightmareX The thing we want is the proof WHY the trick is ok to use, because it's not written anywhere that the trick is ok to use and that the MWD is meant to be used like that. The main argument for it not being an exploit and it being a piloting skill i suppose is that unless the pilot performs the maneuver absolutely perfectly he is dead.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:54:00 - [151] Originally by: NightmareX LOL, your just getting more and more stupid for every post you reply with. Stop it! You're killing me here Go back and re-read my post. I've highlighted it yellow so you can see where "I'm getting more stupid" . Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:56:00 - [152] Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 12:02:08 Originally by: Matrix Skye Quote: And btw Matrix Skye, you just lost in this topic, because all you do now is calling all who know what we are talking about a cry rat. No, cry rat. You have to look beyond the name-calling. The answers are all there. It's just I have to insult the cry rats to get their attention, given your short attention spans . You're fixating yourself too much on 'cry rat'. If you cry rats weren't as daft I'd hold a more mature conversation with you all. But honestly, this is the most response I've gotten from you cry rats in all of my posting history here. This entire thread is a brain cell killer. But is sure as hell entertaining with all your tears . Haha, you can call me whatever you like, i don't care. It wont make me change my mind anyways. And please continue to poast, your poast are so awesome. They are soooooo meaningfull and they are all true. You must be the best poaster in EVE. I love the bleeding tears of the bears in EVE.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 12:04:00 - [153] Originally by: NightmareX I love the bleeding tears of the bears in EVE. Except that the bleeding tears in this thread are your own and those of other cry rats. I'm sure it's why they taste so sweet to you . Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.29 12:06:00 - [154] Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 12:14:26 Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: NightmareX I love the bleeding tears of the bears in EVE. Except that the bleeding tears in this thread are your own and those of other cry rats. I'm sure it's why they taste so sweet to you . No it's you that are crying omg omg pleeeeaaasssse don't remove the MWD + Cloak trick from EVE. CCP help me and hold my hand and give me some love. Please let all of the carebears be safe in low sec. Your more like this guy here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehdZPF1lmJs
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 13:16:00 - [155] NightmareX, I have to apologize because I don't think I've been communicating in a way you can better understand what I'm saying. Let me make it clearer for you: I isn't the ones whining, son. You is crying abouts wanting your i-Wins button untouchables. If I'm not yet getting through I can make it a little bit better: u cRies n cR1Es SoMe MoAr UnT1L cCP3Rs L15t3nS 2 y0uRz cRyBaBy tE4Rz. Get it now? Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.29 13:23:00 - [156] Originally by: Matrix Skye NightmareX, I have to apologize because I don't think I've been communicating in a way you can better understand what I'm saying. Let me make it clearer for you: I isn't the ones whining, son. You is crying abouts wanting your i-Wins button untouchables. If I'm not yet getting through I can make it a little bit better: u cRies n cR1Es SoMe MoAr UnT1L cCP3Rs L15t3nS 2 y0uRz cRyBaBy tE4Rz. Get it now? No, i don't get it now, because you don't have a very good reason why the trick is fine. So as long you haven't told us a ******* nice reason why that trick is fine, then you better shut up. No i'm telling you that there SHOULD be risk when you are entering low sec, but the thing you don't understand is that this trick makes low sec as safe as empire in most cases. And it shouldn't be like that.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:10:00 - [157] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 29/05/2008 14:13:48 Your I-win button is gate camps. And obviously you want it to stay as your I-win. Well, that and nanos, since you can't PVP. Re-read my posts as you obviously cannot comprehend very well other than "carebearz suck, cry ratz rulz!". If done correctly gate camping cry rats get to scramble and run if camp busters try to bait and bust. And if done correctly players can scramble and run from crying campers if they use MWD+cloak correctly. Fair, isn't it? Now stop crying. Your tears are ruining my shoes. Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Ordon Gundar Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:15:00 - [158] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 11:17:28 Every minded person who know how the game mechanics works in EVE does know that the MWD + Cloak trick is not supposed to be like that. Was the MWD designed to let you do the MWD + Cloak trick, or was it supposed to give you a speed boost? Well, was the cargo container designed to be dumped in space around a gate to uncloak ships, or was it designed to store goods? It can be argued that using cargo containers to uncloak ships is ALSO an exploit. Fly fast..Rats Die..Buy Low..Sell High- Ordon Gundar, CEO of Gundars Independent Traders - Space (G.I.T.S)
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:19:00 - [159] Originally by: Matrix Skye Your I-win button is gate camps. And obviously you want it to stay as your I-win. Well, that and nanos, since you can't PVP. Re-read my posts as you obviously cannot comprehend very well other than "carebearz suck, cry ratz rulz!". If done correctly gate camping cry rats get to scramble and run if camp busters try to bait and bust. And if done correctly players can scramble and run from crying campers if they use MWD+cloak correctly. Fair, isn't it? Now stop crying. Yeah we are gate camping, it's what pirates does. Do you expect us to sit in a belt and mine all day long? And no, it's not fair that you can use the MWD + Cloak trick BECAUSE IT'S LOW SEC WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S NOT SAFE HEAVEN. Is that hard to understand?
Ordon Gundar Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:23:00 - [160] Originally by: NightmareX And no, it's not fair that you can use the MWD + Cloak trick BECAUSE IT'S LOW SEC WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S NOT SAFE HEAVEN. Is that hard to understand? Fair?...FAIR??? When did fair ever exist in EvE?? Oh yeah, cos its fair that thousands of the players in Eve are stuck in Empire because of gate camps! Piracy is unfair. If people find a way to avoid it, then adapt! After all, they have to uncloak to warp. If your ship cant target quickly enough, thats your problem! Fly fast..Rats Die..Buy Low..Sell High- Ordon Gundar, CEO of Gundars Independent Traders - Space (G.I.T.S)
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:30:00 - [161] Because to the cry rats it's only a "hAx0rZ" if it doesn't increase their pixeled killboard stats. They cry and cry some more when they cant kill pixels. It stumps their pixeled e peen. Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:33:00 - [162] Originally by: NightmareX Yeah we are gate camping, it's what pirates does. Do you expect us to sit in a belt and mine all day long? And no, it's not fair that you can use the MWD + Cloak trick BECAUSE IT'S LOW SEC WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S NOT SAFE HEAVEN. Is that hard to understand? Here's an innovating idea, cry rat. GO EARN YOUR ISK! The cry rats' anthem is high risk = high rewards, no? Camping gate = low risk = low reward. You don't have to mine or carebear. But you can go scan down miners and carebears. What an innovating idea, wouldn't you say? Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:40:00 - [163] Originally by: Ordon Gundar Originally by: NightmareX And no, it's not fair that you can use the MWD + Cloak trick BECAUSE IT'S LOW SEC WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S NOT SAFE HEAVEN. Is that hard to understand? Piracy is unfair. If people find a way to avoid it, then adapt! After all, they have to uncloak to warp. If your ship cant target quickly enough, thats your problem! You need to understand the argument before you post stupid uninformed comments like this.
Zachariah Barnette DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:43:00 - [164] Originally by: Philipius Maximus I dig this thread for its ZACHATTACK domination. I <3 ze BARNETT I approve of this post. Originally by: T'Renn In Soviet Heimatar, gate camps you.
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:50:00 - [165] Originally by: Matrix Skye It stumps their pixeled e peen. My e-peen is not pixilated. It is REAL! Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
Ordon Gundar Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:51:00 - [166] Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Ordon Gundar Originally by: NightmareX And no, it's not fair that you can use the MWD + Cloak trick BECAUSE IT'S LOW SEC WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S NOT SAFE HEAVEN. Is that hard to understand? Piracy is unfair. If people find a way to avoid it, then adapt! After all, they have to uncloak to warp. If your ship cant target quickly enough, thats your problem! You need to understand the argument before you post stupid uninformed comments like this. Would you like to backup your pathetic attempt at an insult, or are you just stupid yourself. The cloak trick involves a decloak at the end of the MWD cycle before the ship can warp. Granted, you can almost instawarp due to the speed you are travelling at, but a fast-locking ship sitting in an intelligent area away from the gate should be able to lock the "ordinary" ships as they decloak. Go earn your isk, scanks. Fly fast..Rats Die..Buy Low..Sell High- Ordon Gundar, CEO of Gundars Independent Traders - Space (G.I.T.S)
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:53:00 - [167] Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 15:05:21 Originally by: Matrix Skye Here's an innovating idea, cry rat. GO EARN YOUR ISK! The cry rats' anthem is high risk = high rewards, no? Camping gate = low risk = low reward. You don't have to mine or carebear. But you can go scan down miners and carebears. What an innovating idea, wouldn't you say? Ow wow, talk about beeing a stupid noob. First of all, look at my sec status. Secondly, empire is for noobs except for some few corps i know about. If you enter empire (high sec that is 0.5 and over) with my -8.0 in sec status, i wont get out of there alive. And do you know what i earn isk on?, yes LOOT, read L O O T. I get that from killing players in low sec. Do you really know what a pirate is? And you also say camping low sec is low risk?, bwwahahaha, omg you don't have a single clue on what your talking about. Want proof why it's very high risk to gate camp? ok, look HERE, HERE and HERE. Oh yeah, camping gates in low sec is really low risk, it must be true when you say so. Oh and to show how this is working for those who don't know it, then just look here and download the 5 MB movie file and then imagine that there is a gate camp there. It's not a gate camp there when i frapsed on sisi, since it's not allowed to shoot at the gates. And then see how fast i can cloak my slow ass Kronos, and how fast i can enter warp from when i uncloak.
Ordon Gundar Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:59:00 - [168] Originally by: NightmareX Oh yeah, camping gates in low sec is really low risk, it must be true when you say so.[/quote Sarcasm = I`m losing argument. Fly fast..Rats Die..Buy Low..Sell High- Ordon Gundar, CEO of Gundars Independent Traders - Space (G.I.T.S)
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:11:00 - [169] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 29/05/2008 15:12:06 Originally by: NightmareX Ow wow, talk about beeing a stupid noob. First of all, look at my sec status. Secondly, empire is for noobs except for some few corps i know about. And do you know what i earn isk on?, yes LOOT, read L O O T. I get that from killing players in low sec. Do you really know what a pirate is? And you also say camping low sec is low risk?, bwwahahaha, omg you don't have a single clue on what your talking about. Want proof why it's very high risk to gate camp? ok, look HERE, HERE and HERE. Oh yeah, camping gates in low sec is really low risk, it must be true when you say so. Stop being so daft, cry rat. Why don't you point out how large your gate camp was, how many got away, and what was their setup? If you're a total buffoon yes YOU WILL DIE in low sec. That isn't my problem. Don't want to die? Set up alts in nearby systems and look out for spikes in local. Can't do that? It's not my problem that you're so incompetent to pay attention in local. You have some time before you're ambushed. Use it. Again, LOW SEC GATE CAMPING IS LOW RISK if you DO IT RIGHT. Stop pretending like it isn't because you don't want it nerfed. And yes, I've seen how Tri earned their kills . You know, there IS a reason why you all flew in nanos, other than "oh, just because"... . Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:18:00 - [170] Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 15:23:34 Originally by: Matrix Skye Stop being so daft, cry rat. Why don't you point out how large your gate camp was, how many got away, and what was their setup? If you're a total buffoon yes YOU WILL DIE in low sec. That isn't my problem. Don't want to die? Set up alts in nearby systems and look out for spikes in local. Can't do that? It's not my problem that you're so incompetent to pay attention in local. You have some time before you're ambushed. Use it. Again, LOW SEC GATE CAMPING IS LOW RISK if you DO IT RIGHT. Stop pretending like it isn't because you don't want it nerfed. And yes, I've seen how Tri earned their kills . You know, there IS a reason why you all flew in nanos, other than "oh, just because"... . LOL @ you again. Does it look like it will help with alts in the systems around when a Cyno kestrel jumps in and release a Cyno, and then 14-15 carriers / dreads and 2 motherships are jumping in 2 secs later?, and then 2-3 mins later the rest of the 60 man gang arives. And 3 of our carriers was already warp scrambled when the rest of the gang arrived. Our gang was maybe around 8-9 peoples, we had 5-6 carriers at the gate + some few battleships. And then we got attacked by a 75 man gang. But some of us got away in the end. And no matter what you say, low sec gate camping is not low risk, low sec can be much much more dangerous than 0.0 space to. Even when we are doing it right. And tell me, how often have you seen me flying nano ships over a Tempest or a Hurricane?. I have lost one Vagabond since i started to use them. Maybe that tell you anything about how often i use them?.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:23:00 - [171] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 29/05/2008 15:24:56 Originally by: NightmareX and then 2-3 mins later the rest of the 60 man gang arives. And what were you doing before this time, being scrambled by the kestrel or the capitals? You fail at gate camping and that is your own damn fault. Get over it and please stop crying already. It's pathetic. Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:25:00 - [172] Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 15:27:07 Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: NightmareX and then 2-3 mins later the rest of the 60 man gang arives. And what were you doing before this time, being scrambled by the kestrel or the capitals? No we was gate camping to get kills fool. And do you think we are omg a kestrel, omgomg, lets run with our 6 carriers and dock or safespot when we see one ship like that?. It took the Kestrel only a few seconds to drop the Cyno after it had jumped in. And do you know how long time a carrier use to lock a frig?. Even a battleship use long time to lock. But yeah, all of the carriers / motherships was already hotdropped before we had the Kestrel locked.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:27:00 - [173] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 29/05/2008 15:30:50 Edited by: Matrix Skye on 29/05/2008 15:30:15 Originally by: NightmareX No we was gate camping to get kills fool. And do you think we are omg a kestrel, omgomg, lets run with our 6 carriers and dock or safespot when we see one ship like that?. So let me see, you scan a cyno, then scan a ** load of capitals in system, nevermind the system spike, and you're still not clued in that some is about to happen? You wait until they warp to your capitals, and then "unexpectedly" hits the ceiling. Wow! Failure ALL over . YOU either weren't paying attention to local and THAT was YOUR own fault. Did you even bother to keep your scanner up and scan? Or is this thingie only reserved for carebears in low sec? Originally by:** Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:29:00 - [174] Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 15:33:21 Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 15:30:38 Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: NightmareX and then 2-3 mins later the rest of the 60 man gang arives. And what were you doing before this time, being scrambled by the kestrel or the capitals? No we was gate camping to get kills fool. And do you think we are omg a kestrel, omgomg, lets run with our 6 carriers and dock or safespot when we see one ship like that?. So let me see, you scan a cyno, then scan a ** load of capitals in system, nevermind the system spike, and you're still not clued in that some is about to happen? You wait until they warp to your capitals, and then "unexpectedly" ** hits the ceiling. Wow! Failure ALL over . Ehhh we don't need to scan a Cyno when the Cyno is dropped like 5-6 km from us idiot, and where do you think the carriers and motherships land then?, in my pants?, no all of the carriers and motherships land like 5-8 km from us. And we can't scan them either, when they are not in system. They could have been like 10-15 jumps away before they cyno'ed in. Jeez man, you can't be serious, you don't even know how to drop a cyno or how gate camping works. Please leave this topic before you get even more stupier than you are now.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:32:00 - [175] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 29/05/2008 15:36:24 AHAHAHAHA!!! You set up the cyno 8km away from the gate? You FAIL! WOW! What can I say? Use your noodle next time, cry rat! "Oh no! Low sec is dangerous because we set up our cyno next to the gate we camp!!! oh noes!!! They cyno in right on top of us but we don't know why". AHAHAHA! DUDE, please tell me you're joking. Pretty please!!!1 Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:37:00 - [176] Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 15:43:55 Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 29/05/2008 15:36:24 AHAHAHAHA!!! You set up the cyno 8km away from the gate? You FAIL! WOW! What can I say? Use your noodle next time, cry rat! "Oh no! Low sec is dangerous because we set up our cyno next to the gate we camp!!! oh noes!!! They cyno in right on top of us but we don't know why". AHAHAHA! DUDE, please tell me you're joking. Pretty please!!!1 We did put up the Cyno?, where did we put up the cyno?, it wasn't us who did it, it was the enemies who hotdropped us who did it. Learn to read before you post your ****. It takes you 5 sec to get hotdropped and then realise that it's to late to get out. NO ONE can ever find out if someone is going to drop a cyno right up in your face when you are just gate camping. That's what i'm talking about, RISK RISK RISK. NO RISK NO FUN. Next excuse please, your excuses are so awesome, i ♥ them so much.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:50:00 - [177] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 29/05/2008 15:56:12 Ah, I misunderstood you at first. I'll give you a cookie for that . And you got me there, can't argue about someone dropping a cyno 8km away from your face. But if that's the only risk gate campers have to worry about in low sec that's peas compared to miners and carebears. And I still think cry rats are the most melodramatic fluffy emo bunch in eve. Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Nykole Genesis Rising	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:58:00 - [178] yawn...
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.29 16:02:00 - [179] Originally by: Lady Karma You really are a master of making yourself like a total idiot. The overuse of smilies and lack of reading comprehension is a nice touch. Deja Vu.... No wait, that's what I've been saying for 3 days now? Though, you forgot one thing, the overuse of cry rat, whatever that is. It's not even proper english. That's like me saying, laughing frog. Must be some new ninja movie...cry rat, feeble bear. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
Zachariah Barnette DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.29 16:05:00 - [180] Originally by: Tal Nok just...lol This thread needs more Phillipus Maximus Originally by: T'Renn In Soviet Heimatar, gate camps you.
Skjorta	Posted - 2008.05.29 16:28:00 - [181] If you can't get to where the BS was in the time it takes for it to build up enough speed to warp... you don't deserve that kill. Just mwd towards where he was last spotted, he will uncloak once you get close enough, target, scram, blast it away. SOLVED!
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 16:33:00 - [182] Originally by: Tal Nok Originally by: Lady Karma You really are a master of making yourself like a total idiot. The overuse of smilies and lack of reading comprehension is a nice touch. Deja Vu.... No wait, that's what I've been saying for 3 days now? Though, you forgot one thing, the overuse of cry rat, whatever that is. It's not even proper english. That's like me saying, laughing frog. Must be some new ninja movie...cry rat, feeble bear. You know exactly what it means, cry rat. It obviously it bothers you. You insult other players in this game. But when the same ** is dished out to you you can't take it. That's exactly what a cry rat is. You think you're a badass pirate that can loller grief players, but then you cry when your is thrown in your face. You're like the fat kid in the school park stealing lollipops from kids smaller than you. When someone comes along and beats you to your game you start crying. You, sir, are exactly what a cry rat is supposed to mean. You're a crying pirate. And not just you, but all the cry baby pirates in this thread as well. You only think you're tough and badass. But remember, it's only pixels you're destroying . Originally by:** Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Lithium Star DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.29 16:40:00 - [183] this is not serious internets spaceships game? wtf?!?!
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 16:44:00 - [184] And Le Skunk, Don't even get me started on how much crying you do in the forums. You always threaten you'll leave the game if "such and such" isn't fixed to your liking. But you're still here... crying . Everything carebear to you is an exploit. Nothing you ever did, do, and will do ever is an exploit . But yes, you're just a low sec liberator . Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 16:47:00 - [185] Originally by: Lithium Star this is not serious internets spaceships game? wtf?!?! Well, to cry rats their pixels aren't just pixels, their internet spaceships aren't just internet spacehips, their isk isn't just isk, their time isn't just time. This only applies to carebears . Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:00:00 - [186] Maybe I misunderstand this "cloak-warp" trick. As I understand it, any camping fleet has...what, 4-5 seconds to uncloak the offending party and rock his existence, yeah? Entirely feasible, particularly with fast ships with drones and a fast-locking Heavy Interdictor...heck, you can predict the cloaker's line of travel and approximate speed and aim for that point with drones deployed...just gotta get you or a drone within 2km of the cloaker. Yes, the target will escape more than half the time. But it's not a safety-gauranteed tactic.
Joachim Kato Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:02:00 - [187] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Lithium Star this is not serious internets spaceships game? wtf?!?! Well, to cry rats their pixels aren't just pixels, their internet spaceships aren't just internet spacehips, their isk isn't just isk, their time isn't just time. This only applies to carebears . And obviously for you this is nothing serious hence you spammin this whorum like there is no tomorrow. I mean when a person is accountable for half of the posts inna 7 page thread he does very good job to prove that other side is over concerned about the game.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:08:00 - [188] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Lithium Star this is not serious internets spaceships game? wtf?!?! Well, to cry rats their pixels aren't just pixels, their internet spaceships aren't just internet spacehips, their isk isn't just isk, their time isn't just time. This only applies to carebears . Why don't you spam the thread with 6 posts per page, to show us how unconcerned you are.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:10:00 - [189] Originally by: Joachim Kato And obviously for you this is nothing serious hence you spammin this whorum like there is no tomorrow. I mean when a person is accountable for half of the posts inna 7 page thread he does very good job to prove that other side is over concerned about the game. And I take it you're another badass cry rat that thinks pixels mean nothing... other than yours of course Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:10:00 - [190] Originally by: Lady Karma Why don't you spam the thread with 6 posts per page, to show us how unconcerned you are. Why don't we ignore trolls?
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:14:00 - [191] Originally by: Matrix Skye You know exactly what it means, cry rat. It obviously it bothers you. You insult other players in this game. But when the same ** is dished out to you you can't take it. That's exactly what a cry rat is. You think you're a badass pirate that can loller grief players, but then you cry when your is thrown in your face. You're like the fat kid in the school park stealing lollipops from kids smaller than you. When someone comes along and beats you to your game you start crying. You, sir, are exactly what a cry rat is supposed to mean. You're a crying pirate. And not just you, but all the cry baby pirates in this thread as well. You only think you're tough and badass. But remember, it's only pixels you're destroying . I cried? Oh, can I have a tissue then feeble bear? Originally by:** CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:14:00 - [192] Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Lithium Star this is not serious internets spaceships game? wtf?!?! Well, to cry rats their pixels aren't just pixels, their internet spaceships aren't just internet spacehips, their isk isn't just isk, their time isn't just time. This only applies to carebears . Why don't you spam the thread with 6 posts per page, to show us how unconcerned you are. No, I happen to be enjoying the cry rat tears in this thread. I invite you to continue entertaining me. I'll continue doing my part. Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:16:00 - [193] Originally by: Tal Nok I cried? Oh, can I have a tissue then feeble bear? You ARE one of the biggest babies here. Check a few pages back. And I can see you're still upset at being called a cry rat . Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Joachim Kato Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:22:00 - [194] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Joachim Kato And obviously for you this is nothing serious hence you spammin this whorum like there is no tomorrow. I mean when a person is accountable for half of the posts inna 7 page thread he does very good job to prove that other side is over concerned about the game. And I take it you're another badass cry rat that thinks pixels mean nothing... other than yours of course Not a cry rat myself (or at least think so), just found it amusing how you try to insult or mock other guys while trying to prove you are right. Mocking Nightmare's English while it's obvious the person is not native English speaker or calling other dudes "nolifers" inna words as if they are over concerned about pixels won't help prove you are right on this one. I don't find it problematic to discuss inna civilized way when person does some mistakes while typing and you obviously aren't so stupid not to understand what the person was trying to pass on to you.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:23:00 - [195] By all means, let's put this stupid thread and stupid OP to rest already. I will if you will . Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:24:00 - [196] Serious question: how long does a battleship take to align utilizing this technique?
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:29:00 - [197] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 29/05/2008 17:33:42 Originally by: Joachim Kato Not a cry rat myself (or at least think so), just found it amusing how you try to insult or mock other guys while trying to prove you are right. Mocking Nightmare's English while it's obvious the person is not native English speaker or calling other dudes "nolifers" inna words as if they are over concerned about pixels won't help prove you are right on this one. I don't find it problematic to discuss inna civilized way when person does some mistakes while typing and you obviously aren't so stupid not to understand what the person was trying to pass on to you. Cry rats only speak the insult language. And if you don't know I'll tell you. NightmareX isn't exactly the nice character here in the forums. Do a search. He does his part in insulting players. Yes, I know I'm being aggressive. And yes, I know it's unfortunate. I'm not usually the insulting type or the "looking down on others" type. Unfortunately, this is how you get these players' attention. You insult them and slap them around (metaphorically speaking). You don't reason with them. You call them stupid and just throw their ** back in their faces. Look how many pages of crap we've gone through here. You know why? Because this is their language. You can't reason with them. It's like reasoning with bratty children. They whine and complain on making their griefing playstyle easy and call the rest of the players carebears and idiots. It's what they do for whatever reason. It's a competition on who can hell the loudest and who can insult who the best. Originally by:** Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:31:00 - [198] Edited by: Lady Karma on 29/05/2008 17:33:28 Serious answer. It takes about 10seconds for a BS to align and warp. Of course most of this time is under cloak. If you have anything with a bit of speed, battleships are decloaked all the time, problem for most low sec camps, is they are slow tanked ships, that fail to decloak. Edit, Matrix, count how many posts you have on this page, now compare that to the number of them that anything useful to say at all. We all understand by now that you bare a huge grudge against pirates, we get it ok.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:35:00 - [199] Originally by: Lady Karma Serious answer. It takes about 10seconds for a BS to align and warp. Of course most of this time is under cloak. If you have anything with a bit of speed, battleships are decloaked all the time, problem for most low sec camps, is they are slow tanked ships, that fail to decloak. So the issue here is deficient fleet composition, not exploitation of game mechanics, yeah?
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:37:00 - [200] Edited by: Lady Karma on 29/05/2008 17:39:37 Originally by: Garreck So the issue here is deficient fleet composition, not exploitation of game mechanics, yeah? Pretty much, it doesn't work in 0.0 at all, and if the campers were smart, they could just sit an interceptor on the gate to decloak ships. It wouldn't have to agress, just bump and lock it. The hardest thing to catch going through a camp without a bubble, is the blockade runner. They insta align and warp when set up correct. Since that is their role...thats probably working as intended. To catch them slippery fast things, you need a bubble AND some decent webs
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:41:00 - [201] Originally by: Lady Karma Pretty much, it doesn't work in 0.0 at all That has been my experience, which is why I raised an eyebrow at this thread (and others like it.) However...pirate or anti-pirate, we're all pvpers. I was wondering if this was what I thought it was, or if I misunderstood the technique and was way off base in my "uh, a little teamwork can really help overcome this" approach. No reason we can't discuss/analyze pvp like civilized folks
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:48:00 - [202] Originally by: Garreck Serious question: how long does a battleship take to align utilizing this technique? It depends on what position he is in relative to the align point but if he is far out of position it can take 6 or 7 secs.
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.29 18:04:00 - [203] Originally by: Matrix Skye You ARE one of the biggest babies here. Check a few pages back. And I can see you're still upset at being called a cry rat . Again, reading comprehension. If you go back a few posts, I said I do this because it's fun. I get you to go on nonsenical rants which you continue to do, I get you to start name calling, you end up being a large hippocrite and ignore factual posts inbetween the insults I provide, and just toss them back. This has got to be the most entertaining, because you still havn't realized we are making fun of you. I'm not sure if you were dropped on your head at some point, but you still don't seem to understand this. I've asked before, what your primary language is in so I could help you better understand, but you never provided that. I will admit, that you made me cry lastnight, when we called you out, and you never showed up. I saw you online, but never saw you once. I felt-unloved. You may see me as the biggest baby, however I still see you as a darwin award winner. You see cries, I see jokes that you can't comprehend. You see insults, I see facts. As you pointed out, yes, my pixilated text and thoughts are all that matter. Please finish school, work at a low stress job at a self service gas station as I honestly don't think your up to anything else. C'mon feeble bear, when are you going to stop with your ignorance and wake up? Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 18:16:00 - [204] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 29/05/2008 18:20:07 Originally by: Tal Nok Again, reading comprehension. If you go back a few posts, I said I do this because it's fun. I get you to go on nonsenical rants which you continue to do, I get you to start name calling, you end up being a large hippocrite and ignore factual posts inbetween the insults I provide, and just toss them back. This has got to be the most entertaining, because you still havn't realized we are making fun of you. I'm not sure if you were dropped on your head at some point, but you still don't seem to understand this. I've asked before, what your primary language is in so I could help you better understand, but you never provided that. I will admit, that you made me cry lastnight, when we called you out, and you never showed up. I saw you online, but never saw you once. I felt-unloved. You may see me as the biggest baby, however I still see you as a darwin award winner. You see cries, I see jokes that you can't comprehend. You see insults, I see facts. As you pointed out, yes, my pixilated text and thoughts are all that matter. Please finish school, work at a low stress job at a self service gas station as I honestly don't think your up to anything else. C'mon feeble bear, when are you going to stop with your ignorance and wake up? NOO1!! Becuase you and are pirates and I. I think becuase cry rats whine can't anymore will try to do. I keep explaining but hippocrite and that's all you want. All the babies you and your friends cries. I AM in school but the difference are not in you. I to you always elite. Dont call me the bear inside for the wWIN!!!11 You suck and but I in explain always. I don't but doesn't feel anymore . Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Zachariah Barnette DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.29 18:22:00 - [205] Your first response was better, shouldn't have edited it. Originally by: T'Renn In Soviet Heimatar, gate camps you.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 18:24:00 - [206] Originally by: Zachariah Barnette Your first response was better, shouldn't have edited it. I didn't feel I was clear enough . Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.05.29 18:47:00 - [207] blank post yours better was. OP help engrish yours feeble bear Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.05.29 20:00:00 - [208] This back and forth with Matrix Skye - reminds me of Derovius Vaden's posts about a year ago. I also think the term cry rat has a the originality of a middle school insult (ohh yeah?! well you're...you're a CRY RAT! neener neener neeeee-ner). Although the trolling is entertaining me a little bit. Maybe you guys could call him a crybear - and the intellectual level of this thread can go no where but up! Anyways, I think an interceptor bumping and locking is the way to go. Its not committing a criminal act and so doesn't have to tank sentries. It should work sometimes. I've been on both sides of the gate camp (the pew pewer and the pew pewee) - and I like seeing more cat and mouse games. I've caught and missed people tryign this tactic, and I myself have tried it out - working sometimes, and getting caught and dieing miserably at other times. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.29 20:13:00 - [209] I know 'cry rat' isn't as original as say "carebear", since afterall, that's more of a 12-year-old level insult rather than a 8-year-old. You're looking in the mirror pointing and laughing and still haven't figured it out . I have done nothing new in this thread. I've only rehashed your own doings. But you still don't get it. Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Hammerfail CEO Hammerfail Industries	Posted - 2008.05.29 20:48:00 - [210] Hammerfail Industries has perfected a way to render this method obsolete, if you send me a sum of 25 mil and an eve mail I will be able to reveal all to you.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.05.29 23:00:00 - [211] Originally by: Matrix Skye I know 'cry rat' isn't as original as say "carebear", since afterall, that's more of a 12-year-old level insult rather than a 8-year-old. You're looking in the mirror pointing and laughing and still haven't figured it out . I have done nothing new in this thread. I've only rehashed your own doings. But you still don't get it. You still here making a buffoon of yourself?
Philipius Maximus Corporation 1	Posted - 2008.05.30 01:12:00 - [212] Originally by: Zachariah Barnette Originally by: Tal Nok just...lol This thread needs more Phillipus Maximus I'm here, baby. You know you want me.
Scrutt5 Snuff inc	Posted - 2008.05.30 05:36:00 - [213] Tactical overlay ftw :)
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.05.30 06:26:00 - [214] Originally by: Matrix Skye And Le Skunk, Don't even get me started on how much crying you do in the forums. You always threaten you'll leave the game if "such and such" isn't fixed to your liking. But you're still here... crying . Everything carebear to you is an exploit. Nothing you ever did, do, and will do ever is an exploit . But yes, you're just a low sec liberator . Lol I like this thread. Just to clarify though: Cant remember threatening to leave the game. Nothing ive ever done has been an exploit or has subsequently been judged to be an exploit AFAIK. And im glad you admit I am not a pierat. SKUNK Oh btw why dont you call someone a lie-rat, when they are not telling the truth. That would be "weally fwunny"
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.30 09:34:00 - [215] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 30/05/2008 09:35:26 Originally by: Omarvelous This back and forth with Matrix Skye - reminds me of Derovius Vaden's posts about a year ago. This thread reminds me of babies. All you have to do is distract them a little and they forget why they were crying in the first place. Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:39:00 - [216] Originally by: Matrix Skye I know 'cry rat' isn't as original as say "carebear", since afterall, that's more of a 12-year-old level insult rather than a 8-year-old. You're looking in the mirror pointing and laughing and still haven't figured it out . I have done nothing new in this thread. I've only rehashed your own doings. But you still don't get it. Shhh... Your breath stinks! __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:49:00 - [217] Originally by: Omarvelous Shhh... Your breath stinks! Then get off my face and stop trying to kiss me, cry rat. Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Jakke Logan F Off And Die	Posted - 2008.05.30 14:38:00 - [218] Why is it that pirate gate campers seem to believe they are entitled in some way to kill whatever jumps through a gate? There is a sure and certain answer to stopping this technique. It's called grow a pair and camp gates in 0.0 where you can use bubbles on the gate.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.30 16:54:00 - [219] Originally by: Jakke Logan Why is it that pirate gate campers seem to believe they are entitled in some way to kill whatever jumps through a gate? There is a sure and certain answer to stopping this technique. It's called grow a pair and camp gates in 0.0 where you can use bubbles on the gate. Sorry, but your not a pirate in 0.0 space. How can you lose sec status in 0.0 space?
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.30 17:03:00 - [220] Originally by: NightmareX Sorry, but your not a pirate in 0.0 space. How can you lose sec status in 0.0 space? Well that brings up a whole other interesting discussion. Is the loss of security status the defining factor of an act of piracy? I mean...unauthorized killing of vessels in empire will result in a loss of security status, which is really just a mechanic to let NPCs know you're a "badguy." But it's the same in sovereign 0.0, right? Go to claimed 0.0 space and shoot at targets that the sovereign in that space doesn't want you to shoot at, and you'll likely have your standings adjusted accordingly by the sovereign. No sentries to shoot and no sec status loss...but it's essentially the same thing. NPCs interact based on sec status and standings, which are a result of player actions. PCs interact based on standings as well, usually as a result of player actions. So one could certainly make the case that killing unauthorized targets in claimed 0.0 is indeed an act of piracy.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.30 17:16:00 - [221] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Jakke Logan Why is it that pirate gate campers seem to believe they are entitled in some way to kill whatever jumps through a gate? There is a sure and certain answer to stopping this technique. It's called grow a pair and camp gates in 0.0 where you can use bubbles on the gate. Sorry, but your not a pirate in 0.0 space. How can you lose sec status in 0.0 space? I disagree with your thinking that a player is not a pirate if he works in 0.0 instead of low sec. I suppose officially with concord/NPC's you may not be considered such but the fact is that if you make your living in eve by popping PC ships you are a pirate, its just that some of us work in the open seas of 0.0 while others stay close to the coastal shores of empire. PS: Im still undecided on the whole cloak/warp maneuver as to whether its a exploit or a valid piloting skill but i am leaning towards skill tbh.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.30 17:17:00 - [222] Edited by: NightmareX on 30/05/2008 17:23:56 To be able to do piracy, you need to break rules, and is it any rules in 0.0 space? No, there is no rules in 0.0 space. Ofc, you can break some rules by shooting blues for example, but that doesn't make you to a pirate. So low sec is the only place you can break rules. Or you can do it to in high sec to, but then CONCORD will be pretty angry at you. You can smartbomb a bunch of miners in high sec and lose a butt load of sec status. Things like that is piracy. I know some peoples have been saying that oh you can still be a pirate while you are in a 0.0 space alliance. Like Quam, we was in Triumvirate and we was in 0.0 space most of the time. Even when we are pirates, it doesn't mean we can do piracy in 0.0 space. We only do piracy when we are back in low sec. Like now, Quam is mostly doing piracy since we are living in low sec now, and are doing some 0.0 space roamings some times. But we still can't do piracy in 0.0 space.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.30 17:22:00 - [223] Edited by: lecrotta on 30/05/2008 17:25:42 Originally by: NightmareX To be able to do piracy, you need to break rules, and is it any rules in 0.0 space? No, there is no rules in 0.0 space. Ofc, you can break some rules by shooting blues for example, but that doesn't make you to a pirate. So low sec is the only place you can break rules. Or you can do it to in high sec to, but then CONCORD will be pretty angry at you. You can smartbomb a bunch of miners in high sec and lose a butt load of sec status. Things like that is piracy. Wiki says......... Piracy is a robbery committed at sea (ok ok in space in the eve universe). Piracy can also be committed against a ship, aircraft, persons, or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state (so its not limited to low sec or areas with rules). So its about how you make your living not if you break rules.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.30 17:26:00 - [224] Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 30/05/2008 17:24:15 Originally by: NightmareX To be able to do piracy, you need to break rules, and is it any rules in 0.0 space? No, there is no rules in 0.0 space. Ofc, you can break some rules by shooting blues for example, but that doesn't make you to a pirate. So low sec is the only place you can break rules. Or you can do it to in high sec to, but then CONCORD will be pretty angry at you. You can smartbomb a bunch of miners in high sec and lose a butt load of sec status. Things like that is piracy. Wiki says......... Piracy is a robbery committed at sea (ok ok in space in the eve universe). Piracy can also be committed against a ship, aircraft, persons, or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state (so its not limited to low sec or areas with rules). So its about how you make your living not if you break rules. Oh ok, so if we should follow that, then everyone that are stealing or robbing others in empire are also pirates? Haha, but that's not kinda what a pirate in EVE is.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.30 17:30:00 - [225] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX To be able to do piracy, you need to break rules, and is it any rules in 0.0 space? No, there is no rules in 0.0 space. Ofc, you can break some rules by shooting blues for example, but that doesn't make you to a pirate. So low sec is the only place you can break rules. Or you can do it to in high sec to, but then CONCORD will be pretty angry at you. You can smartbomb a bunch of miners in high sec and lose a butt load of sec status. Things like that is piracy. Wiki says......... Piracy is a robbery committed at sea (ok ok in space in the eve universe). Piracy can also be committed against a ship, aircraft, persons, or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state (so its not limited to low sec or areas with rules). So its about how you make your living not if you break rules. Oh ok, so if we should follow that, then everyone that are stealing or robbing others in empire are also pirates? Haha, but that's not kinda what a pirate in EVE is. By definition of the word "pirate" yes, as concord flag them just like those in low sec in fact they respond very harshly by popping ppl who pirate in empire. Just because ppl pirate in 0.0 and do not get flagged by concord does not stop them from being pirates it just means that concord does not consider them such.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.30 17:46:00 - [226] Edited by: NightmareX on 30/05/2008 17:51:12 Still, how can you pirate in 0.0 space where there is NO RULES to follow there? You can rob someone or steal from someone in 0.0 space, but is there any rules against it there? And i'll guess you don't want me to bring Skywalker in this topic to let him tell you guys what the REAL piracy is? If you don't know who Skywalker or tiller is, then you shouldn't talk about piracy tbh.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:11:00 - [227] Originally by: NightmareX Still, how can you pirate in 0.0 space where there is NO RULES to follow there? Most 0.0 claiming alliances most certainly do have rules in their space. NPCs enforce rules based on CCP coding. PCs enforce rules based on...well, player action.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:25:00 - [228] Edited by: lecrotta on 30/05/2008 18:27:19 Originally by: NightmareX Still, how can you pirate in 0.0 space where there is NO RULES to follow there? You can rob someone or steal from someone in 0.0 space, but is there any rules against it there? And i'll guess you don't want me to bring Skywalker in this topic to let him tell you guys what the REAL piracy is? If you don't know who Skywalker or tiller is, then you shouldn't talk about piracy tbh. Skywalker is a clown but hey if your a fan/buttboy of his good luck with that..., and piracy is the act of stealing things from other ships at sea (or in eve in space). In the century that pirates were about in wooden ships nobody claimed the open seas (the equivalent of 0.0 of the day) nor were there laws but the guys who hunted other ships were still considered pirates. As i have already said a pirate is somebody who makes his isk in eve by popping and killing other PC ships no matter where he does it.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:28:00 - [229] Edited by: NightmareX on 30/05/2008 18:33:06 LOL I wont say more than FAILURE. Some players really don't know what an EVE pirate is and have totally failed to understand how piracy in EVE works haha. And saying Skywalker is a clown lecrotta, just make you to the biggest clown in EVE, because NO ONE knows more about piracy than Skywalker does. Or at least he's one of them.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:33:00 - [230] Originally by: NightmareX LOL I wont say more than FAILURE. Some players really don't know what an EVE pirate is haha. And sayin Skywalker is a clown lecrotta, just make you to the biggest clown in EVE, because no one knows more about piracy than Skywalker does. Ive been playing since 2003 and for most of that time i have been -10 so im well aware of what low sec pirates think and do. But piracy is not limited to low sec as its a style of and play not some thing that is limited by the area you do it in and if skywalker says different he is a fool.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:35:00 - [231] Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX LOL I wont say more than FAILURE. Some players really don't know what an EVE pirate is haha. And sayin Skywalker is a clown lecrotta, just make you to the biggest clown in EVE, because no one knows more about piracy than Skywalker does. Ive been playing since 2003 and for most of that time i have been -10 so im well aware of what low sec pirates think and do. But piracy is not limited to low sec as its a style of and play not some thing that is limited by the area you do it in and if skywalker says different he is a fool. I said that piracy can be done in high sec and in low sec. Also remember, when i talk about piracy, i'm talking about EVE piracy, not Wiki Piracy.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:39:00 - [232] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX LOL I wont say more than FAILURE. Some players really don't know what an EVE pirate is haha. And sayin Skywalker is a clown lecrotta, just make you to the biggest clown in EVE, because no one knows more about piracy than Skywalker does. Ive been playing since 2003 and for most of that time i have been -10 so im well aware of what low sec pirates think and do. But piracy is not limited to low sec as its a style of and play not some thing that is limited by the area you do it in and if skywalker says different he is a fool. I said that piracy can be done in high sec and in low sec. Also remember, when i talk about piracy, i'm talking about EVE piracy, not Wiki Piracy. So your talking about EVE low sec piracy and not just eve piracy as there are many different forms. I suggest you be clearer in future.
Skjorta	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:41:00 - [233] Kill somebody in low sec = you're a pirate. Kill somebody in 0.0 = you're a pvper. solved for you guys :)
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:47:00 - [234] Edited by: Garreck on 30/05/2008 18:48:13 Originally by: NightmareX Also remember, when i talk about piracy, i'm talking about EVE piracy, not Wiki Piracy. We're talking the same thing, of course. Just because there are no sentries in 0.0 and no sec status loss (a CONCORD sponsored feature) does not mean that acts of piracy don't take place. Within the world of Eve, egger alliances are a new phenomenon. They are not party to the Yulai Convention and thereby do not benefit from that treaty...but sovereign is sovereign. And when it comes to definitions, breaking rules in 0.0 sovereign space is the same as breaking rules in empire sovereign space. Eve is a sandbox game. Just because a programmed feature (sec status loss, gate guns, CONCORD) doesn't apply in a certain area of space doesn't mean that "act of piracy" counts in one area of space and doesn't count in another. If an organization says "man, these guys were, by our 'laws,' pirating in our space" then that's precisely what they were doing. The fun part of playing in a sandbox is that we're not limited to what CCP codes for us.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:59:00 - [235] Edited by: NightmareX on 30/05/2008 19:01:58 Again Garreck, your totally wrong about the piracy thing m8. Now you have to do me a favour and tell me exactly why you can be a pirate in 0.0 space?. Give me 5very good reasons. Don't tell me about the stealing from cans or rob someone, because everyone is doing that, even the biggest carebears in EVE is doing that.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:03:00 - [236] Edited by: lecrotta on 30/05/2008 20:03:22 Originally by: NightmareX Again Garreck, your totally wrong about the piracy thing m8. Now you have to do me a favour and tell me exactly why you can be a pirate in 0.0 space?. Give me 5 very good reasons. Only one reason is needed and that is that piracy is defined by what you do not where you do it. A empire pirate pirates in empire. A low sec pirate pirates in low sec. And a 0.0 pirate pirates in 0.0. And some like me pirate in all 3 and have done for a long time. Its about profiting from killing other players ships as your main income that defines you as a pirate, the type of pirate you are in eve depends on where you do it but its all piracy.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:15:00 - [237] Edited by: NightmareX on 30/05/2008 20:23:11 Again, you fail to explain why there is piracy in 0.0 space. Originally by: lecrotta Its about profiting from killing other players ships as your main income that defines you as a pirate, the type of pirate you are in eve depends on where you do it but its all piracy. Is as wrong as it can get. So by that definition, EVERYONE that are pvping in 0.0 space to get isk is a pirate? LOL, don't make me laugh my ass off more than i do now.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:19:00 - [238] Originally by: NightmareX Again, you fail to explain why there is piracy in 0.0 space. I'm not sure what I failed to cover.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:35:00 - [239] Originally by: NightmareX Again, you fail to explain why there is piracy in 0.0 space. Originally by: lecrotta Its about profiting from killing other players ships as your main income that defines you as a pirate, the type of pirate you are in eve depends on where you do it but its all piracy. Is as wrong as it can get. So by that definition, EVERYONE that are pvping in 0.0 space is a pirate? LOL, don't make me laugh my ass off more than i do now. Again you miss the point but il spell it out for you ass you seem to be a little slow. Not everybody in 0.0 uses pvp to fund their ships and mods in 0.0 in fact most do not but they may they do pvp for fun or to defend their systems this makes them pvpers not pirates. Are you deliberately being ignorant or are you just stupid?.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:36:00 - [240] lecrotta, read my post again, and then edit it after what's there now, it was edited while you was quoting me.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:47:00 - [241] Originally by: NightmareX lecrotta, read my post again, and then edit it after what's there now, it was edited while you was quoting me. Why?? because you realized how stupid your comment was and needed to change it?. A pirate hunts ships for profit, not to defend his alliance or corps space if they even have any or any other reason other than financing his eve play time.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:55:00 - [242] Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX lecrotta, read my post again, and then edit it after what's there now, it was edited while you was quoting me. Why?? because you realized how stupid your comment was and needed to change it?. A pirate hunts ships for profit, not to defend his alliance or corps space if they even have any or any other reason other than financing his eve play time. Ehh i didn't edit it because it was stupid, it was because i forgot to put the isk in there.
Midian Kell Meep Beep Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.30 23:48:00 - [243] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 30/05/2008 21:04:08 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX lecrotta, read my post again, and then edit it after what's there now, it was edited while you was quoting me. Why?? because you realized how stupid your comment was and needed to change it?. A pirate hunts ships for profit, not to defend his alliance or corps space if they even have any or any other reason other than financing his eve play time. Ehh i didn't edit it because it was stupid, it was because i forgot to put the isk in there. Isk was the only word i edited in. STFU noob, i dont like you, you know why=)
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.05.31 05:17:00 - [244] On Behalf of the CSM i proclaim this thread...... OVER. SKUNK
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.31 16:03:00 - [245] Edited by: NightmareX on 31/05/2008 16:04:32 Originally by: Midian Kell Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 30/05/2008 21:04:08 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX lecrotta, read my post again, and then edit it after what's there now, it was edited while you was quoting me. Why?? because you realized how stupid your comment was and needed to change it?. A pirate hunts ships for profit, not to defend his alliance or corps space if they even have any or any other reason other than financing his eve play time. Ehh i didn't edit it because it was stupid, it was because i forgot to put the isk in there. Isk was the only word i edited in. STFU noob, i dont like you, you know why=) Hehe, i know why you hate me. Isn't my job to get players to hate me in EVE? Pirates loves to get hated.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.31 16:46:00 - [246] Edited by: lecrotta on 31/05/2008 16:53:11 Originally by: NightmareX Hehe, i know why you hate me. Isn't my job to get players to hate me in EVE? Pirates loves to get hated. PPL do not hate you your no where near good enough to be hated, ppl just think your an attention seeking r****d. Interesting stats on battleclinic btw lol Losses: 17 Kills: 134 http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?id=1061658&filter=losses
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.05.31 16:51:00 - [247] Originally by: NightmareX Hehe, i know why you hate me. Isn't my job to get players to hate me in EVE? Pirates loves to get hated. You sure to like to talk a lot Nightmare. You must pvp on an alt, because after looking around, its clear that Nightmare is no pirate god. How on earth did you only manage to get 19 kills while you were in Tri You do not speak for pirates, or represent them in any way, they blow ships up, you are not very good at it.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.31 17:36:00 - [248] Edited by: NightmareX on 31/05/2008 17:42:50 Who cares about how many kills you got?, only killmail *****s do that. I play when i have time to do it, and when i have time, i kill. You can't get it more simple than that. You know, someone have a real life to. And yeah, how many Shuttle / noob ship kills do i have btw?. I'm more of a quality player than a player that only thinks about killmails. Oh and lol at taking the stats from Battleclinic, that's the dumbest thing you can do, because peoples tend to post killmails from sisi on there, and therefor i have some kills from sisi on Battleclinic. I have one alt, but he's on my 2nd account. But the 2nd account is not active atm. Wanna know his name to? Well only if you could have told me this over this post with your main characters would be nice, but since you don't have the balls to smack me with you main, then you suck. Like me, i'll NEVER post with my alt, because i'm not a weak idiot. So booohoo, grow some bigger balls noobs.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.31 17:43:00 - [249] Originally by: NightmareX Who cares about how many kills you got?, only killmail *****s do that. I play when i have time to do it, and when i have time, i kill. You can't get it more simple than that. You know, someone have a real life to. I have one alt, but he's on my 2nd account. But the 2nd account is not active atm. Wanna know his name to? Well only if you could have told me this over this post with your main characters would be nice, but since you don't have the balls to smack me with you main, then you suck. Like me, i'll NEVER post with my alt, because i'm not a weak idiot. Cos ppl do not get temporary bans on their accounts on these forums hey bud..... Kills = pvp experience and yours is sadly lacking but then nob0ody needs to check your kills to see how clueless you are all we need do is read your posts.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.31 17:51:00 - [250] Edited by: NightmareX on 31/05/2008 17:54:58 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX Who cares about how many kills you got?, only killmail ***s do that. I play when i have time to do it, and when i have time, i kill. You can't get it more simple than that. You know, someone have a real life to. I have one alt, but he's on my 2nd account. But the 2nd account is not active atm. Wanna know his name to? Well only if you could have told me this over this post with your main characters would be nice, but since you don't have the balls to smack me with you main, then you suck. Like me, i'll NEVER post with my alt, because i'm not a weak idiot. Cos ppl do not get temporary bans on their accounts on these forums hey bud..... Kills = pvp experience and yours is sadly lacking but then nob0ody needs to check your kills to see how clueless you are all we need do is read your posts. I know how to PVP, just ask my corp mates on how i'am in PVP when i DO it. And how often do you see i use crappy setups?. You say kills = experience. Well ok, look at my kills, what kind of ships do you see i have killed?, many Shuttles?, many noob ships?, and look at my losses, what setups do you see, do you see any noobish setups on my ships? No, you don't. I know how to PVP and know how to setup the ships i'm using. Even when i'm not the killmail *** you want me to be. And please, smack me more with your stupid alts, you are the only one that will look stupier here then. Oh yeah, why do you get a ban on the forum with your main?, is it because your a tard on the forum or are it because you utterly sucks on the EVE forum? There is a reason why you got a ban lol.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.31 18:04:00 - [251] Originally by: NightmareX There is a reason why you got a ban lol. Yup i posted several pictures of cats on a couple of threads. And because somebody showed you how to fit your ship and held your little hand does not make you a good or experienced pvper. Get 200 kills per month (7 per day ain't hard in eve even if you have limited time) for at least 6 or so months against various types of gangs and you may be worthy of the title.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.31 18:35:00 - [252] Edited by: NightmareX on 31/05/2008 18:37:01 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX There is a reason why you got a ban lol. Yup i posted several pictures of cats on a couple of threads. And because somebody showed you how to fit your ship and held your little hand does not make you a good or experienced pvper. Get 200 kills per month (7 per day ain't hard in eve even if you have limited time) for at least 6 or so months against various types of gangs and you may be worthy of the title. The setups i use and the experience i have in PVP is something that i have learned my self to use. No one have held my hand, EVER. Now while i think about it, you must be a victim of me, i must have killed you or your main somewhere.
Joachim Kato Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2008.05.31 18:36:00 - [253] This thread is actually schweet schweet.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.31 18:38:00 - [254] Edited by: lecrotta on 31/05/2008 18:39:43 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta Yup i posted several pictures of cats on a couple of threads. And because somebody showed you how to fit your ship and held your little hand does not make you a good or experienced pvper. Get 200 kills per month (7 per day ain't hard in eve even if you have limited time) for at least 6 or so months against various types of gangs and you may be worthy of the title. The setups i use and the experience i have in PVP is something that i have learned my self to use. No one have held my hand, EVER. Now while i think about it, you must be a victim of me, i must have killed you or your main somewhere. Self taught???...LOL just LOL. And as far as being one of your victims the chances of that is highly unlikly as your pathetic stats show.
il sakasanje Breed of Malakka	Posted - 2008.05.31 19:30:00 - [255] Garreck is right imho. Stop complaining about useless matter... Killboard-Stats are nothing, all that counts is the money you make. OnTopic: I think, i've seen nearly evrything, the cloak-warp trick is quite old also logging out while still being cloaked. I will never blame people for using such methods, it makes me just more serious about getting them somehow :)
Boknamar The Knights Trevor	Posted - 2008.05.31 19:31:00 - [256] I would say it could be viewed as a possible exploit to activate the cloak before the MWD. Otherwise, I'd say just deal with it. Oh wait, did I stray on topic?
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.31 19:34:00 - [257] Edited by: NightmareX on 31/05/2008 19:40:53 Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 31/05/2008 18:39:43 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta Yup i posted several pictures of cats on a couple of threads. And because somebody showed you how to fit your ship and held your little hand does not make you a good or experienced pvper. Get 200 kills per month (7 per day ain't hard in eve even if you have limited time) for at least 6 or so months against various types of gangs and you may be worthy of the title. The setups i use and the experience i have in PVP is something that i have learned my self to use. No one have held my hand, EVER. Now while i think about it, you must be a victim of me, i must have killed you or your main somewhere. Self taught???...LOL just LOL. And as far as being one of your victims the chances of that is highly unlikly as your pathetic stats show. LOL, whine more noob. The more you whine the more stupier you are. Oh i love the tears from noobs. Cry me a river. Ok, now do me one thing, proove that you are better than me in PVP, tell me who you main is, and show me your PVP skills or kills, or show me what setups you have used on your ships. Before that happens, your nothing more than a useless whiney noob who don't even know what PVP is. Now proove your self. And yeah, i'm self learned in this game. Boohoo, is that hard to understand?. Anyways, back on topic. You can be a pirate in 0.0 space, but you cannot do piracy in 0.0 space. If you say you can, your just a wannabe pirate.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.31 20:06:00 - [258] Originally by: NightmareX Rant from a skilless clueless moron. This is about your stupid claims of knowledge when you obviously have no clue at all bud. I mean your a late 2004 player (if you did not buy your account) and you have less than 200 kills (less than 1 kill per week ) and your claiming pvp knowledge and ability that obviously does not exist. As to my main and his kills ..well i actually considered posting a link on here as i have had 300+ kills this month (a bit of a slow month tbh) but it will be more fun watching you try to make this about me proving myself instead of you looking like the pathetic noob that you are.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.31 20:23:00 - [259] Edited by: NightmareX on 31/05/2008 20:32:16 Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 31/05/2008 20:22:38 Originally by: NightmareX Rant from a skilless clueless moron. This is about your stupid claims of knowledge when you obviously have no clue at all bud. I mean your a late 2004 player (if you did not buy your account) and you have less than 200 kills (less than 1 kill per week ) and your claiming pvp knowledge and ability that obviously does not exist. Its interesting that from the day battle clinic started to record your kills and losses that you seemed to decide to virtually stop pvping when if they had just been recorded a few months before it would show the world what a uber pvper you were and all those several hundred kills you say you got........... As to my main and his kills ..well i actually considered posting a link on here as i have had 300+ kills this month (a bit of a slow month tbh) but it will be more fun watching you try to make this about me proving myself instead of you looking like the pathetic noob that you are. Sorry noob, but taking killmails to show good you are in PVP is as stupid as you probably are. So if i have had 2k shuttle / noob ship kills, does that mean that's better than my 50 BC / BS kills? Every noob in this game can sit in a BS and smartbomb a very traffic gate in low sec all day long, and get many many kills that way, but does it mean he's good in PVP because he have tons of kills?, ehh no. And you said i started to stop to PVP when Battleclinic started?, ehh, don't be funny now, that time i didn't even know sites like Battleclinic and EVE-Extra even existed. Oh yeah, you also said that getting 300 killmails in a month is not a problem?, oh right, I'M NOT LIVING IN A DEEP 0.0 CAREBEAR HEAVEN WHERE YOU CAN GET HOUNDRED OF KILLS EVERYDAY now. I'm living in low sec space. And have lived there most of my time since i started to do piracy. NightmareX is waiting for more funny excuses from lecrotta.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.31 21:03:00 - [260] 1. Battleclinic updates from a lot of kb's and i was being sarcastic about you stopping as it started (convenient much) as it does not show your "hundreds of kills" you claim to have got i say claim cos i think your lying and a crappy lie it is as it ranks up there with a child saying the dog ate his homework tbh. 2. Kill boards show not only figures but also engagements of who was on what side and how many, can you show me where i claim 2k shuttle kills makes somebody uber...no?.. thats cos i did not. But the fact is that less than 200 kills over 2 or 3 years is pathetic for a self claimed pvper. 3. I am not in deep 0.0 either and i rarely go there tbh but 300 kills per month may just get me into the top 10 in my corp in a month. 4. A pirate is somebody who makes his living in eve by popping PC ships no matter where he does it, if you do not understand that your a fool.
TotalCareBear	Posted - 2008.05.31 21:43:00 - [261] Alt whining/smacking(including me) for the win!
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.31 21:50:00 - [262] Originally by: lecrotta 1. Battleclinic updates from a lot of kb's and i was being sarcastic about you stopping as it started (convenient much) as it does not show your "hundreds of kills" you claim to have got i say claim cos i think your lying and a crappy lie it is as it ranks up there with a child saying the dog ate his homework tbh. 2. Kill boards show not only figures but also engagements of who was on what side and how many, can you show me where i claim 2k shuttle kills makes somebody uber...no?.. thats cos i did not. But the fact is that less than 200 kills over 2 or 3 years is pathetic for a self claimed pvper. 3. I am not in deep 0.0 either and i rarely go there tbh but 300 kills per month may just get me into the top 10 in my corp in a month. 4. A pirate is somebody who makes his living in eve by popping PC ships no matter where he does it, if you do not understand that your a fool. 1: Yeah it takes stats from other killboards, but not every killboards. And also proove me that you are right. I bet you can't, because your nothing more than a whiney carebear who think that are so much better than others. 2: Like i said, the text on the killmails is not the most important thing for me, the most important thing for me is to cooperate and help others in corp with all kind of things. The killing is only for the fun for me. The fun is all what matters here. And not to think about omgomg i have 4 lesser kills than the 1st one on the killboard on most kills, omgomg need to kill more. I'll kill when i see that i can. 3: Come to low sec and proove that you can do 300 kills a month, and that's without Shuttle and noob ship kills. I only goes after all other types of ships, and that means haulers to. 4: Yeah i live to pop ships WHEN I CAN. Read WHEN I CAN. Even when i'm logged on sometimes doesn't mean i have the time to x up to do ops. I'm waiting for even more stupid and ******** excuses from you.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.31 22:05:00 - [263] What excuses am i making?????. Your the one making excuses like "i had several hundred kills but on other kb's and before battle clinic or grief watch". Its odd that you seem to be able to find the time to post on here constantly yet have no time to log into eve and send out waves of fear cos of your uber "self taught" pvp abilities.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.31 22:23:00 - [264] Edited by: NightmareX on 31/05/2008 22:23:07 Originally by: lecrotta What excuses am i making?????. Your the one making excuses like "i had several hundred kills but on other kb's and before battle clinic or grief watch". Its odd that you seem to be able to find the time to post on here constantly yet have no time to log into eve and send out waves of fear cos of your uber "self taught" pvp abilities. LOL, just LOL, if you don't know that you are making excuses to try and defend that you have made your self look like an idiot here, then i don't know. I have the time to play, but today i have been reinstalling Windows Server 2008, and that means no time to log on EVE.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.31 22:27:00 - [265] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta What excuses am i making?????. Your the one making excuses like "i had several hundred kills but on other kb's and before battle clinic or grief watch". Its odd that you seem to be able to find the time to post on here constantly yet have no time to log into eve and send out waves of fear cos of your uber "self taught" pvp abilities. LOL, just LOL, if you don't know that you are making excuses to try and defend that you have made your self look like an idiot here, then i don't know. I have the time to play, but today i have been reinstalling Windows Server 2008, and that means no time to log on EVE. Buddy the idiot here is the guy with less than 200 kills in well over 3 years claiming uber knowledge about pvp and piracy. Your a clown and need to improve your stats before you start posting your drivel.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.31 22:59:00 - [266] Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta What excuses am i making?????. Your the one making excuses like "i had several hundred kills but on other kb's and before battle clinic or grief watch". Its odd that you seem to be able to find the time to post on here constantly yet have no time to log into eve and send out waves of fear cos of your uber "self taught" pvp abilities. LOL, just LOL, if you don't know that you are making excuses to try and defend that you have made your self look like an idiot here, then i don't know. I have the time to play, but today i have been reinstalling Windows Server 2008, and that means no time to log on EVE. Buddy the idiot here is the guy with less than 200 kills in well over 3 years claiming uber knowledge about pvp and piracy. Your a clown and need to improve your stats before you start posting your drivel. The kills doesn't tell **** idiot. You are the clown here, because first, you don't have the balls to tell who you main character is. Secondly because you CAN'T proove anything in this topic. You just say i'm a crap pvper or a clown, but proove it. You are the clown / noob player here until you proove that you are right. But just keep going, tell more and more players how stupid you are by telling more crap here. We just love it.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.31 23:28:00 - [267] Originally by: NightmareX You just say i'm a crap pvper or a clown, but proove it. You are the clown / noob player here until you proove that you are right. NightmareX YOUR OFFICIAL STATS FROM 12/21/05 TO 05/29/08 20:23:00 WITH LINK. http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-NightmareX-kills.html Losses: 17 Kills: 134 There ya go undeniable proof undeniable undisputable proof(including link) to the fact that in over 2 years you only managed 134 kills TOTAL as the clinic updates from virtually every KB in EVE.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:11:00 - [268] Edited by: NightmareX on 01/06/2008 00:11:14 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX You just say i'm a crap pvper or a clown, but proove it. You are the clown / noob player here until you proove that you are right. NightmareX YOUR OFFICIAL STATS FROM 12/21/05 TO 05/29/08 20:23:00 WITH LINK. http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-NightmareX-kills.html Losses: 17 Kills: 134 There ya go undeniable proof undeniable undisputable proof(including link) to the fact that in over 2 years you only managed 134 kills TOTAL as the clinic updates from virtually every KB in EVE. LOL, again, you mega fail, taking stats from Battleclinic is still fail fail fail. Hey, i'm good at PVP, read PVP, i'm not good at getting most kills in EVE. I'm still not a killmail ***** who gate camp 23/7. Do you have more kills then?, oh wait, you cannot proove it, because you don't have the balls to do it, or to tell who your main is.. I'm waiting for you to tell me who your main is. And before that happen, you are nothing more than a clueless noob who think you are so good at PVP. So please shut up.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:11:00 - [269] Edited by: Lady Karma on 01/06/2008 00:15:36 This thread is now about how crap NightmareX is at PVP He talks the talk, but as you can see, he cant walk the walk. Also nightmare, I don't see many of your corp mates bailing you out here. I had an alt in TRI, and I got around 100 kills a week, just by joining gangs. The people I still speak to cringe every time you post. Just stop posting please, you are an idiot that fails to understand pretty much anything Have fun Originally by: NightmareX Oh and lol at taking the stats from Battleclinic, that's the dumbest thing you can do, because peoples tend to post killmails from sisi on there, and therefor i have some kills from sisi on Battleclinic. I took them from the TRI killboard you stupid fool
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:14:00 - [270] Edited by: NightmareX on 01/06/2008 00:17:58 Originally by: Lady Karma This thread is now about how crap NightmareX is at PVP He talks the talk, but as you can see, he cant walk the walk. Also nightmare, I don't see many of your corp mates bailing you out here. I had an alt in TRI, and I got around 100 kills a week, just by joining gangs. The people I still speak to cringe every time you post. Just stop posting please, you are an idiot that fails to understand pretty much anything Have fun Says an alt. What an alt is saying muct always be true, never a lie. Guess what, i was some of the few players in Quam that actually was with EVERY ops every day when we was taking EC- in Triumvirate. You don't get killmails in all of the ops, so like i say, showing how many kills you got to show how good you are is as stupid as it can get. Now, maybe you should post with you mains please?. Oh noes, i forgot, you don't have the balls to do it, LMAO, it only shows how scared you are to actually proove things here. And it only shows how right i'am here.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:18:00 - [271] Originally by: NightmareX You don't get killmails in all of the ops, so like i say, showing how many kills you got to show how good you are is as stupid as it can get. Fail to read why don't you I was in TRI you dip ****. 100 kills a week was easy, why don't you get your corp mates to back you up here You have no clue at all about combat. Add some more smileys it makes you look cool
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:19:00 - [272] Edited by: NightmareX on 01/06/2008 00:25:57 Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: NightmareX You don't get killmails in all of the ops, so like i say, showing how many kills you got to show how good you are is as stupid as it can get. Fail to read why don't you I was in TRI you dip **. 100 kills a week was easy, why don't you get your corp mates to back you up here You have no clue at all about combat. Add some more smileys it makes you look cool Is there a point to bring in my corp mates here to back me up?, no it's not a point, because they will tell you clueless noobs the same. Because what i'm telling now is how it is. LOL 100 kills a week, yeah you might not have a RL, BUT I DO. You was in Tri?, oh well, tell me who that character is. If you don't, then all you are telling here is bull**. BTW, ask Darknesss or Mik Kyo about how often i was in ops with Tri when i was logged on and had time to do ops. Then you will be supprised. But like i said, there was ops where we didn't got kills at all. Getting killmails is not the thing that is most important. The most important thing is to x up and help the alliance / corp out when they want it.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:25:00 - [273] Originally by: NightmareX You was in Tri?, oh well, tell me who that character is. If you don't, then all you are telling here is bull**. I was in SPA, you might remember us. Now why don't you shut the up about things you don't know anything about. The OP was about aligning with cloak, something that is very easy to counter (you failed to understand how to deal with it) then it was about the definition of piracy, something you know NOTHING about Instead of arguing yourself into a hole and making Quam look even more stupid, please direct yourself to the reprocessor. You should have x'd up in gang instead of carebearing you silly **
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:27:00 - [274] Edited by: NightmareX on 01/06/2008 00:30:12 Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: NightmareX You was in Tri?, oh well, tell me who that character is. If you don't, then all you are telling here is bull**. I was in SPA, you might remember us. Now why don't you shut the up about things you don't know anything about. The OP was about aligning with cloak, something that is very easy to counter (you failed to understand how to deal with it) then it was about the definition of piracy, something you know NOTHING about Instead of arguing yourself into a hole and making Quam look even more stupid, please direct yourself to the reprocessor. You should have x'd up in gang instead of carebearing you silly Ahh, you was in SPA, now that tell me something. Oh god i love this hahaha. I think i know who you are now. You are probably one of those who was whining like a bith in the alliance chat about everything, almost. No wonder why you whine like a * here to. LOL i don't know nothing about piracy? bwwahahaha, stupiest thing i have heard EVER**.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:29:00 - [275] Edited by: lecrotta on 01/06/2008 00:33:54 Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: NightmareX You was in Tri?, oh well, tell me who that character is. If you don't, then all you are telling here is bull****. I was in SPA, you might remember us. You were in SPA?? Cool i was in the illuminati for a while (i left long before they left tri) and tbh i do not remember this moron being in any of the pvp ops i was in maybe he should spent a little more time logging in and pvping instead of trolling the forum, talking crap about stuff he knows nothing about and generally making a fool of himself. I get the impression that he has just done a bit of piracy/PVP, got a few kills (VERY FEW LOL), had a epeen enlargement over it and now considers himself the expert on PVP, piracy and cloak warping for the whole of EVE.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:30:00 - [276] Originally by: NightmareX Ahh, you was in SPA, now that tell me something. Oh god i love this hahaha. LOL i don't know nothing about piracy? bwwahahaha, stupiest thing i have heard EVER. 137 kills in 2 years and you claim to understand piracy Let's see you get one of your corp mates here to back you up, just one And yes, Quam were ****e in TRI..still are by the sounds of it
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:31:00 - [277] Edited by: NightmareX on 01/06/2008 00:33:49 Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: NightmareX Ahh, you was in SPA, now that tell me something. Oh god i love this hahaha. LOL i don't know nothing about piracy? bwwahahaha, stupiest thing i have heard EVER. 137 kills in 2 years and you claim to understand piracy Let's see you get one of your corp mates here to back you up, just one And yes, Quam were **e in TRI..still are by the sounds of it Again, kills doesn't tell how much i know about piracy. I'm still not a killmail *. lecrotta, do you have the balls to ask Darknesss or Mik Kyo on how often i was in ops with them when i had time?, i bet you wont, because you wont hear the truth. And yeah, i know more about PVP than most of the alts in this topic knows in TOTAL here. Again, before you proove who you mains is, then you are nothing more than a whiney ***.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:33:00 - [278] Edited by: Lady Karma on 01/06/2008 00:35:56 I give up...NightmareX is beyond redemption Originally by: NightmareX And yeah, i know more about PVP than most of the alts in this topic knows in TOTAL here. So your 130 kills, are better than my 2500. Go get your corp mates, see if any will agree with you
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:35:00 - [279] Edited by: NightmareX on 01/06/2008 00:38:03 Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: lecrotta maybe he should spent a little more time logging in and pvping instead of trolling the forum, talking crap about stuff he knows nothing about and generally making a fool of himself. Thread has been completely hijacked and trolled by some Quam idiot talking ****. btw lecrotta, I still have angel and wargod talking poo on TS these days, guess I drew the short straw Ahahaha you are talking about hijacking and trolling, wow amazing. Your the best in EVE with that. Please continue, this is so funny, alts smacking me bwahahaha, actually, i love smacking alts who doesn't know anything in EVE. All they can do is whine on the forum. I know some players in The Illuminati and Spartan Industries was some of the biggest crybabies / whiners in the whole alliance, was crying over everything. So heh, i think i know who you guys are.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:39:00 - [280] Edited by: lecrotta on 01/06/2008 00:39:15 Originally by: Lady Karma I give up...NightmareX is beyond redemption LOL Mr muppetX goes on loads of pvp ops but gets no or very low amounts of kill mails and says that it proves he is a great pvper???. Did somebody forget to tell him to lock targets or start shooting cos even the tacklers get on km's.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:40:00 - [281] Edited by: NightmareX on 01/06/2008 00:42:43 Originally by: Lady Karma Edited by: Lady Karma on 01/06/2008 00:35:56 I give up...NightmareX is beyond redemption Originally by: NightmareX And yeah, i know more about PVP than most of the alts in this topic knows in TOTAL here. So your 130 kills, are better than my 2500. Go get your corp mates, see if any will agree with you Oh oh, now look how awesome you are, 2500 kill, now your damn pro man. Boosting about how awesome you are with you 2500 kills. But there is still one problem, killboard link to proove it thanks. LOL, give up over clueless noob alts? NO WAI, i'm not stupid you fool. Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 01/06/2008 00:39:15 Originally by: Lady Karma I give up...NightmareX is beyond redemption LOL Mr muppetX goes on loads of pvp ops but gets no or very low amounts of kill mails and says that it proves he is a great pvper???. Did somebody forget to tell him to lock targets or start shooting cos even the tacklers get on km's. Again, you still moan about oooooooh look at how many kills he have, ok he doesn't have that many kills, then he must be a noob. Ehhh, the reall noobs here is those who don't have the balls to post with your main. PLEASE PLEASE continue this, it's damn funny for me. At least i have something to do here on the forum.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:43:00 - [282] Originally by: NightmareX I know some players in The Illuminati and Spartan Industries was some of the biggest crybabies / whiners in the whole alliance, was crying over everything. So heh, i think i know who you guys are. 130 ships killed in 2 years...go girl
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:44:00 - [283] Edited by: NightmareX on 01/06/2008 00:44:42 Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: NightmareX I know some players in The Illuminati and Spartan Industries was some of the biggest crybabies / whiners in the whole alliance, was crying over everything. So heh, i think i know who you guys are. 130 ships killed in 2 years...go girl Whine noob alt Care to post with you main? Oh noes, they don't have the balls to do it aaaahahahahah.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:44:00 - [284] Edited by: Lady Karma on 01/06/2008 00:45:37 Originally by: NightmareX PLEASE PLEASE continue this, it's damn funny for me. At least i have something to do here on the forum. Would that be Looking like an idiot? Read SHC lately? Originally by: NightmareX Care to post with you main? Care to kill something other than an npc?
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:46:00 - [285] Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: NightmareX I know some players in The Illuminati and Spartan Industries was some of the biggest crybabies / whiners in the whole alliance, was crying over everything. So heh, i think i know who you guys are. 130 ships killed in 2 years...go girl Hey hey come on its 137 not 130....EVE doth tremble at his name in local.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:47:00 - [286] Edited by: NightmareX on 01/06/2008 00:51:35 Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: NightmareX PLEASE PLEASE continue this, it's damn funny for me. At least i have something to do here on the forum. Would that be Looking like an idiot? Read SHC lately? Now if that topic is so important, then give me a link to the topic you are talking about. Do it looks like i care about SHC?, there is only a forum with full of whining, moaning and other bull** there. I'm not saying everything there is crap. Ehh, don't talk about looking like an idiot here. As long you post with alts, your the ones that are idiots. Originally by:** Lady Karma Care to kill something other than an npc? I don't post npc kills LOLOLOLOL. Wow, i must be an uber awesome npc'er with -8.0 in sec status, oh yeah. That only proove that YOU CAN'T READ.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:49:00 - [287] Originally by: NightmareX Ehh, don't talk about looking like an idiot here. As long you post with alts, your the ones that are idiots. This is not CAOD. Now go kill something you pirate god
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:50:00 - [288] Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: NightmareX Ehh, don't talk about looking like an idiot here. As long you post with alts, your the ones that are idiots. This is not CAOD. Now go kill something you pirate god Hah, does it looks like i care if this is CAOD or C&P?, no i don't. And no, i wont log on EVE before i have fixed my Windows Server 2008.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:54:00 - [289] Originally by: NightmareX Hah, does it looks like i care if this is CAOD or C&P?, no i don't. And no, i wont log on EVE before i have fixed my Windows Server 2008. Looks like you care a hell of a lot ( about yourself, god knows what Quam thinks about you) And thanks for confirming that you don't play EVE, you just **** post about things you dont know anything about Dock safe
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:59:00 - [290] Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: NightmareX Hah, does it looks like i care if this is CAOD or C&P?, no i don't. And no, i wont log on EVE before i have fixed my Windows Server 2008. Looks like you care a hell of a lot ( about yourself, god knows what Quam thinks about you) And thanks for confirming that you don't play EVE, you just **** post about things you dont know anything about Dock safe Oh wow, care to explain, how you can play EVE without motherboard & Graphic drivers? Wow you must be a god or something that can even play EVE without a mouse.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.01 01:08:00 - [291] Originally by: NightmareX Wow you must be a god or something that can even play EVE without a mouse. First you can tell us how you can be a uber pvp god and know all about piracy and combat in eve without getting on hardly any killmails???
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.06.01 01:12:00 - [292] Edited by: NightmareX on 01/06/2008 01:13:08 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX Wow you must be a god or something that can even play EVE without a mouse. First you can tell us how you can be a uber pvp god and know all about piracy and combat in eve without getting on hardly any killmails??? Do i need to have thousands of killmails before i know how to PVP and do piracy? Oh and LOLS, you made me post on the SHC forum to now.
eXtas Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2008.06.01 01:14:00 - [293] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 01/06/2008 01:13:08 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX Wow you must be a god or something that can even play EVE without a mouse. First you can tell us how you can be a uber pvp god and know all about piracy and combat in eve without getting on hardly any killmails??? Do i need to have thousands of killmails before i know how to PVP and do piracy? Oh and LOLS, you made me post on the SHC forum to now. no I want your killmail :( --------
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.06.01 01:22:00 - [294]
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.01 01:25:00 - [295] Edited by: lecrotta on 01/06/2008 01:26:11 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX Wow you must be a god or something that can even play EVE without a mouse. First you can tell us how you can be a uber pvp god and know all about piracy and combat in eve without getting on hardly any killmails??? Do i need to have thousands of killmails before i know how to PVP and do piracy? Oh and LOLS, you made me post on the SHC forum to now. Its the experience you gain from getting on those killmails that you need pal. And your camping around OBE??? lol the easiest area to gain kills in eve, gratz on your choice mr uberX.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.06.01 01:30:00 - [296] Edited by: NightmareX on 01/06/2008 01:38:06 Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 01/06/2008 01:26:11 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX Wow you must be a god or something that can even play EVE without a mouse. First you can tell us how you can be a uber pvp god and know all about piracy and combat in eve without getting on hardly any killmails??? Do i need to have thousands of killmails before i know how to PVP and do piracy? Oh and LOLS, you made me post on the SHC forum to now. Its the experience you gain from getting on those killmails that you need pal. And your camping around OBE??? lol the easiest area to gain kills in eve, gratz on your choice mr uberX. Yeah it's the experience i have, the getting on most killmails is NOT MY experience. So if i sit in a sniping Tempest all day long to be sure i get on every killmails, does that mean i'm better there then if i was in a close range tempest?, that doesn't get so many kills because many targets will then get away before i have got a lock. And not to talk about how many targets that have popped before i have got lock on them. That's not a few ones i can tell you. And before you ask, no i'm not a solo player, i'm 98% of the time a team player. I know the area around Obe is nice, was gate camping there 2 days ago, and there was waves after waves with targets that jumped in, but as you probably know, most of those targets are cruisers, frigs, shuttles and noob ships, so my Tempest doesn't have a chance in hell to lock them before the others in the gang with Sensor Boosted HIC's have got lock on them and popped them.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.01 01:43:00 - [297] Edited by: lecrotta on 01/06/2008 01:44:00 Originally by: NightmareX Yeah it's the experience i have, the killmails is not MY experience. So if i sit in a sniping Tempest all day long to be sure i get on every killmails, does that mean i'm better there then if i was in a close range tempest?, that doesn't get so many kills because many targets will then get away before i have got a lock. Are you claiming that you are so lacking in pvp knowledge that you have for over 2 years flown useless ships that cannot even lock targets let alone cause damage cos to get on a km all you need do is lock the target and fire summat at it. Picking the right tool for the right job is a sign of a good pvper and if your saying by phrasing that question above that you are choosing ships that cannot even lock a target let alone dmg it you a even worse pvper than i thought. Originally by: NightmareX And not to talk about how many targets that have popped before i have got lock on them. That's not a few ones i can tell you. Is picking virtually useless ships why you have so few kills is it really cos thats a sign of a crappy pvper as well tbh????.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.06.01 01:53:00 - [298] Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 01/06/2008 01:45:45 Originally by: NightmareX Yeah it's the experience i have, the killmails is not MY experience. So if i sit in a sniping Tempest all day long to be sure i get on every killmails, does that mean i'm better there then if i was in a close range tempest?, that doesn't get so many kills because many targets will then get away before i have got a lock. Are you claiming that you are so lacking in pvp knowledge that you have for over 2 years flown useless ships that cannot even lock targets let alone cause damage cos to get on a km all you need do is lock the target and fire summat at it. Picking the right tool for the right job is a sign of a good pvper and if your saying by phrasing that question above that you are choosing ships that cannot even lock a target let alone dmg it you are a even worse pvper than i thought. Originally by: NightmareX And not to talk about how many targets that have popped before i have got lock on them. That's not a few ones i can tell you. I know the area around Obe is nice, was gate camping there 2 days ago, and there was waves after waves with targets that jumped in, but as you probably know, most of those targets are cruisers, frigs, shuttles and noob ships, so my Tempest doesn't have a chance in hell to lock them before the others in the gang with Sensor Boosted HIC's have got lock on them and popped them. Is picking virtually useless ships why you have so few kills is it really cos thats a sign of a crappy pvper as well tbh????. I'll guess you fit your close range Tempest with Sensor Boosters and that, just to get on most killmails. I fit my Tempest to do MOST damage in the best way possible. If you wonder, here is my close range Tempest fit: High: 6x Dual 650mm T2 guns. 1x Heavy Neut (Best named one) This one is mega fun against frigs, cruisers and HAC's, it makes them cry lol. Med: 1x 100MN MWD II 1x Warp Disruptor II 1x Stasis Webifier (Best named one here to, because of the CPU usage) 1x ECM Multispectral Jammer II (This one is a life saver) 1x Heavy Capacitor Booster II Low: 2x Large Armor Repairer II 3x Armor Hardeners (T2) 1x Damage Control II I use the ships i'm good with. End of story.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.01 02:11:00 - [299] Edited by: lecrotta on 01/06/2008 02:13:19 Fitting a point on a BS when you say you have sensor boosted HICS and other fast tacklers in gang is as much use as t1ts on a bull btw, slap a sensor booster or a damp in that slot instead. The rest seems like the standard pirate tank fit for low sec gate camping tbh although id fit a damp with range script rather than a jammer as it gets better range and uses less cpu (against jammer ships or ranged stuff) and the nuet can deal with close range tacklers along with a few ECM drones before they get popped by the gate guns.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.06.01 02:17:00 - [300] Edited by: NightmareX on 01/06/2008 02:22:47 Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 01/06/2008 02:13:19 Fitting a point on a BS when you say you have sensor boosted HICS and other fast tacklers in gang is as much use as t1ts on a bull btw, slap a sensor booster or a damp in that slot instead. The rest seems like the standard pirate tank fit for low sec gate camping tbh although id fit a damp with range script rather than a jammer as it gets better range and uses less cpu (against jammer ships or ranged stuff) and the nuet can deal with close range tacklers along with a few ECM drones before they get popped by the gate guns. Have you ever heard about splitting up your gang a little, sitting on different gates? Oh noes, we dont need points noooooo. There is more than 2 gates in Nalvula. Nalvula is our main system. And the HIC's is the only fast locking ships we use in low sec. And no, i don't care what you call my setup for, but for me that's the setup that works best for me if it's a low sec gate camp or a fight in 0.0 space. That's what all matters, have a setup that i like and that i'm good with.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.01 02:40:00 - [301] Originally by: NightmareX The ECM have saved me sooooooo many times from death. That's the reason you don't see many Tempest losses from me. M8 nobody see's many losses or kills from you period thats the point lol.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.06.01 03:03:00 - [302] Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX The ECM have saved me sooooooo many times from death. That's the reason you don't see many Tempest losses from me. M8 nobody see's many losses or kills from you period thats the point lol. Who cares?. The only thing i care about is my ships and my setups.
Von Kleist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.01 05:05:00 - [303] OP: Tregaron Corp: Shinra "Pleeeeeesee help me, theres cloaks on dem der ships." ^^ Topped only by NightmareX, Quam 1x ECM Multispectral Jammer II, wth is this crap? In case you haven't noticed, its not an ecm boat. Your corps should join forces and make some crappy alliance nam... oh wai, you did that already.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.06.01 05:14:00 - [304] Originally by: Von Kleist 1x ECM Multispectral Jammer II, wth is this crap? In case you haven't noticed, its not an ecm boat. But still, the most important thing is that it's actualy save your life sometimes right? isn't that kinda important?
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.01 10:52:00 - [305] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Von Kleist 1x ECM Multispectral Jammer II, wth is this crap? In case you haven't noticed, its not an ecm boat. But still, the most important thing is that it's actualy save your life sometimes right? isn't that kinda important? Its a pointless module like the point you have fitted as a gang stands or falls on its teamwork and if as a low sec pirate your getting jumped and need to ECM stuff so you do not die then somebody in your team is not doing his job.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.01 19:12:00 - [306] Edited by: NightmareX on 01/06/2008 19:14:36 Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 01/06/2008 11:24:40 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Von Kleist 1x ECM Multispectral Jammer II, wth is this crap? In case you haven't noticed, its not an ecm boat. But still, the most important thing is that it's actually save your life sometimes right? isn't that kinda important? Its a pointless module just like the point you have fitted as a gang stands or falls on its teamwork, and if as a low sec pirate your getting jumped and need to ECM stuff so you do not die then somebody in your team is not doing his job like the scout or scouts maybe. Ehhh, stop beeing stupid. The more ECM we have the more chance it is that our smaller ship doesn't get killed by the targets when they are jumping in and start to shoot some of us. And yeah, just fit your ship without a point, but then many targets will get away when you are splitted around on many gates. And lol wot, i'm in a new alliance again.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.01 19:13:00 - [307] Edited by: NightmareX on 01/06/2008 19:13:53 Ops, double post
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:11:00 - [308] Edited by: Le Skunk on 01/06/2008 21:14:54 Point on your BS in a gang is in my mind very usefull. Often you get 5 or 6 ships come though at once. Often they deagress and jump back though gates, leaving your hic stranded with aggression. Sometimes the hic will die - or be forced to jump, sometimes the hic pilot will be taking a **** or docking for cap/rapairs/ammo. Points on your BS will all cover a lot of these situations. The ecm though is a bit odd - i would prefer a sensor booster and get my ships firing 7 seconds earlier, but I suppose if you have 5 bs all with an ecm your gonna be pulling off a few jams here and there. SKUNK
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:32:00 - [309] Edited by: NightmareX on 01/06/2008 21:34:40 Le Skunk, i pretty much agree on that. But about the ECM, well 7 seconds is going to help you a little, but if i for example are going in as a bait in my Tempest into 1 Neutron Mega, then those 6-7 seconds with a Sensor Booster is not going to save me i think. But the ECM if i'm getting some jam cycles will absolutely help me to keep my armor up a bit longer until the rest of my gang is ariving if needed.. Like this example. I had one Interceptor, one Brutix and one Astarte after me one time in my Tempest, and i was damn sure that i was going to die. But guess what, i first did jam the Astarte, and then waited for it to stop the cycle, and then right after i activated the ECM on the Brutix, and i was lucky to jam him to right after, but the Interceptor still had me scrambled, but i have a Heavy Neut fitted on my Tempest, so i neuted the Interceptor. And by that moment, no one had me scrambled after i had neuted the Interceptor, because the Astarte didn't had got me locked again while i had the Brutix jammed and the Interceptor neuted. So i ran. Yes i did choose to run, because 1 gang Brutix and 1 gank Astarte is hurting a Tempest. You see what i want to tell here with the ECM and Neut?
Rawthorm The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2008.06.02 12:56:00 - [310] Originally by: Tregaron well get ccp to give me a mod to stop you cloaking then i'm fine. coz atm there's no way to stop the cloak warp trick unless you place cans around the gate which then ends the target making a petition for you using an exploit. Not all solutions come served up in module form you know. Get an interceptor to specificaly run your targets down as the cloak/mwd trick takes 10-12 seconds to work.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 14:45:00 - [311] Originally by: NightmareX Sorry dude, i don't want to follow your noob guide to piracy. RULE 1 OF THE NOOB GUIDE TO PIRACY: If you fit your ship in such a way that you cannot even lock a target in time to be useful then your doing it wrong. Originally by: NightmareX So if i sit in a sniping Tempest all day long to be sure i get on every killmails, does that mean i'm better there then if i was in a close range tempest?, that doesn't get so many kills because many targets will then get away before i have got a lock. And not to talk about how many targets that have popped before i have got lock on them. That's not a few ones i can tell you. RULE 2 OF THE NOOB GUIDE TO PIRACY: If your a pirate and you get jumped by a gang that outnumbers you, you need to slap your scouts with a wet kipper for not paying attention.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 14:50:00 - [312] Originally by: NightmareX Like this example. I had one Interceptor, one Brutix and one Astarte after me one time in my Tempest, and i was damn sure that i was going to die. But guess what, i first did jam the Astarte, and then waited for it to stop the cycle, and then right after i activated the ECM on the Brutix, and i was lucky to jam him to right after, but the Interceptor still had me scrambled, but i have a Heavy Neut fitted on my Tempest, so i neuted the Interceptor. And by that moment, no one had me scrambled after i had neuted the Interceptor, because the Astarte didn't had got me locked again while i had the Brutix jammed and the Interceptor neuted. So i ran. Yes i did choose to run, because 1 gank Brutix and 1 gank Astarte is hurting a Tempest. You see what i want to tell here with the ECM and Neut? you now see why i ALWAYS fit ECM and a Heavy Neut on a Tempest i hope. Your on the wrong forum for jackanory bull**** story telling.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.02 14:53:00 - [313] lecrotta, i still don't want to follow your noob guide to piracy. Please tell me something that is right, and not wrong. Now go and kill noobs in Jita lecrotta, that's what you are best to do.
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.06.02 15:06:00 - [314] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 02/06/2008 15:11:40 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX Sorry dude, i don't want to follow your noob guide to piracy. RULE 1 OF THE NOOB GUIDE TO PIRACY: If you fit your ship in such a way that you cannot even lock a target in time to be useful then your doing it wrong. To be honest, if your targets pops in <6 seconds you need to get a lock, your contribution is not necessary. Your HICs and fast locking ships can deal with the frigates and cruisers themselves (although, if it's a plate cruiser, you'll definitely lock in in time, sig anal V and leadership bonus). I'll almost always fit a ECCM in a spare mid (or anything else really). Falcons are extremely popular ships (and ECM drones are a popular choice as well) and you're too easy to jam otherwise in a serious fight, effectively losing metric tons of damage output. I'd rather be more useful anyway when we've got a actual fight on our hands then just getting on frig/dessy/itty killmails. That's what your heavy ships are for, so you can take on bigger targets, otherwise you could camp a gate with a HIC, a huggin and a scout. They don't need support for killing industrial ships, they need it if a BS comes through or if there's a gang coming which we can win over. Sure, if you needed 15+s to lock a BS, then I'd call it a crap setup, but 5-6s is fine when in return you reduce your chance to get jammed by a lot. For gang on gang fights, you have a target locked for more time with ECCM fitted then if you had a sensor booster. Naturally, this only applies if you are going to fight hostile gangs - if you don't or all the gangs overpower you, you're better off with a sensor booster then anything else. Points on BS are extremely useful for fighting gangs, particularly BC/BS heavy ones - as people have a tendency to bug out when they figure out that they are losing (if you have 1 BS pointed out of a 5-man gang, you're only going to kill that one BS), and your tacklers might explode or be forced off (which isn't uncommon) anyway. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 15:20:00 - [315] Edited by: lecrotta on 02/06/2008 15:20:58 Originally by: NightmareX Ehh, we are not pussies, we in Quam fight outnumbered many times, and we don't have a problem to do so, and we doesn't have a problem if we lose to. It's all about the fun. 1 week ago or something like that, when i lost my Vagabond, then we went 19 peoples into a 35-40 man gang just for the giggles and fun. Yes we lost 50% of our ships, but who cares. As i have said before..for some body who says its all about the fun and does not care about losses or kills you obviously do not have much fun or your stats would be better for the last 2 and a half years.... Kills: 134 Losses: 17 Not only that but some body who claims to be a pirate (pirates are all about the profit pal) and in the next breath claims not to care about kills or losses is full of crap on one of those claims or both tbh. Originally by: NightmareX LOL, i don't fit a close range Tempest to lock targets fastest possible, i fit it to kill the targets fastest possible when i have got a lock on them. Lock time means you start firing 60% sooner than without (thats 2 full volleys or more) and so you kill the targets quicker while doing the same dps unless your gonna tell me that a mid slot SB reduces your dps?.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.02 16:31:00 - [316] Edited by: NightmareX on 02/06/2008 16:33:59 Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 02/06/2008 16:16:49 Originally by: NightmareX Ehh, we are not pussies, we in Quam fight outnumbered many times, and we don't have a problem to do so, and we doesn't have a problem if we lose to. It's all about the fun. 1 week ago or something like that, when i lost my Vagabond, then we went 19 peoples into a 35-40 man gang just for the giggles and fun. Yes we lost 50% of our ships, but who cares. As i have said before..for some body who says its all about the fun and does not care about losses or kills you obviously do not have much fun or your stats would be better for the last 2 and a half years.... Kills: 134 Losses: 17 Not only that but some body who claims to be a pirate (pirates are all about the profit pal) and in the next breath claims not to care about kills or losses is full of crap on one of those claims or both tbh. Originally by: NightmareX LOL, i don't fit a close range Tempest to lock targets fastest possible, i fit it to kill the targets fastest possible when i have got a lock on them. Lock time means you start firing 60% sooner than without a SB (thats almost 2 full volleys) and so you kill the targets quicker while doing the same dps unless your gonna tell me that a mid slot SB reduces your dps?. PS: my mains stats last month were over 330+ kills for 1 loss ...now that is what a real pirates figures look like, although im a bit gutted about the loss but hey crashing cos of a isp problem with aggro and getting probed out is part of life in eve. I also think that you totally made up that story about your uber BS ecm unit and so will anybody else who reads your posting style, your a MR wanna be. Profit?, yeah i know what profit is. But who the hell thinks about profit when we have billions of isks. I'm not forced to kill others just to get isk. Maybe that's the reason i don't have so many kills, because i have had tons of isk for many years now. I know many pirates that are poor and NEED to kill to get isk, but i'm not. I'm more a chilled person in PVP. I'll take it as it comes. Your noob guide about Sensor Booster is not going to get bought by me. Like i have said, i prefer to make sure the target dies in a terribly way when i have got lock on him. I'm all about having the setup to make sure i CAN get out if needed. And yeah, your boosting about how uber awesome you are with your 330+ kills with only 1 loss. And if your not stupidly ******, that's not in low sec, that's in 0.0 space. If that's in low sec, that's for sure 65% shuttle & nooobship kills. And you are also ****** if you think you can do piracy in 0.0 space. And still continue to tell how stupid you are by showing the stats from me, the stats is not what i'm about, it's the isk and fun for me.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.06.02 16:34:00 - [317] Originally by: NightmareX And still continue to tell how stupid you are by showing the stats from me, the stats is nowt what i'm about, it's the isk and fun for me. I doubt you have any time for fun in the game, you seem to spend around 9hours a day posting on the forum...jeebus. Get some fresh air. Here is a question. Can you remember what the OP was?
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.02 16:36:00 - [318] Edited by: NightmareX on 02/06/2008 16:37:23 Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: NightmareX And still continue to tell how stupid you are by showing the stats from me, the stats is nowt what i'm about, it's the isk and fun for me. I doubt you have any time for fun in the game, you seem to spend around 9hours a day posting on the forum...jeebus. Get some fresh air. Here is a question. Can you remember what the OP was? I have fun when i have the time to play. And i also having fun of both you and lecrotta here on the forum. No wonder why i use so much time here on the forum. Yes i know what the OP is about. I'm not stupid.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.06.02 16:38:00 - [319] Originally by: NightmareX No wonder why i use so much time here on the forum. Cause you don't have a life? I'll let you carry on and spam now for another 50 posts.
deathtron DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.06.02 16:47:00 - [320] About the question if a spare midslot is best used to fit a sensor booster, eccm or ecm.. I am tempted to agree with Lecrotta's last post about the more dps you get out of a earlier lock thus to prefer the use of a SB in favor of an eccm or ecm. The reasonning is that I prefer to have a gang with ships who are setup and fullfill a specific role they are best suited to do. The BS's role is to tank and gank as much as possible, so the extra salvo's on targets and the earlier lock, earlier thus faster remote rep on friendlies is more inline to its nature and use than having it fitted to defend for every possible form of attack (dps, ew, neut) other jobs are for other ships like a neut-boat, ecm-boat, webbingship, tackler... Its also my humble opinion that a midslot eccm (96% bonus to basic 17-24pnts a BS has) alone isn't sufficidnt against ecm-scorp or falcon ew-assault to begin with; to counter that you also need the lowslot sensor backup array (extra 48% on top of basic strengh) without any guarantee you won't be jammed despite both mods.. Wich makes them kinda useless and wastefull imo.. The best answer to ecm is having your own ecm-boats to cancel 'em out. About the original topic: mwd/cloak/warp is an exploit, why? well cause its an effect achieved by using modules in a way they were not intended to be used, or producing an effect they are not intended to produce; other tactics (used by gatecampers) being possible exploits doesn't change the fact that it is one.. There is NO practical way to counter it, CCP just fails to reckognise its error and dev's fail even more when they announce they want eve to be a violent game. Just my 2 cents
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 16:52:00 - [321] Originally by: NightmareX Profit?, yeah i know what profit is. But who the hell thinks about profit when we have billions of isks. I'm not forced to kill others just to get isk. Maybe that's the reason i don't have so many kills, because i have had tons of isk for many years now. I know many pirates that are poor and NEED to kill to get isk, but i'm not. Interesting that you say that when later in your post you say............. Originally by: NightmareX the stats is not what i'm about, it's the isk and fun for me. Liars need good memories and yours is so bad you forget what you wrote at the start of a post by the time you get to the end of it. Your a liar and a bad one and tbh its obvious to anybody apart from you cos your also a moron.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.02 17:04:00 - [322] Edited by: NightmareX on 02/06/2008 17:09:56 Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 02/06/2008 17:01:38 Originally by: NightmareX Yes, i think about isk, but only when i need it, but like i said, atm i don't need isk. Originally by: NightmareX because i have had tons of isk for many years now. Originally by: NightmareX the stats is not what i'm about, it's the isk and fun for me. Wow, i must say you are extremely good to give a reason to your replys dude, i love you for your very detailed reasons. All you can say, is hah, i'm so cool, because i can poast so many cool replys, and think i'm uber awesome. I have so many kills for a month, so i must be a god in PVP. And must also know how PVP and piracy works. Bwahahahah, please continue, this is the ONLY reason why i don't log into EVE, because atm, i have more fun here than i have fun ingame.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 17:06:00 - [323] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX Yes, i think about isk, but only when i need it, but like i said, atm i don't need isk. Originally by: NightmareX because i have had tons of isk for many years now. Originally by: NightmareX the stats is not what i'm about, it's the isk and fun for me. Wow, i must say you are extremely good to give a reason to your replies dude, i love your for your very detailed reasons. Your a liar. Point made tyvm.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.02 17:08:00 - [324] Edited by: NightmareX on 02/06/2008 17:12:57 Now, just read my updated reply you replied to. You have the reason there why i don't log into EVE atm. Now, do you want a cookie for beeing the stupiest player in EVE?
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 17:15:00 - [325] Originally by: NightmareX Now, just read my updated reply you replied to. The fact you keep needing to edit/update like that is one of the reasons its obvious your a liar, as instead of just knowing the answers and posting them in one shot you keep thinking up new crap you think is clever and updating your posts. Originally by: NightmareX You have the reason there why i don't log into EVE atm. Really is that why your not loggin in today cos yesterday it was cos you were loading windows.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.02 17:17:00 - [326] Originally by: deathtron About the original topic: mwd/cloak/warp is an exploit, why? well cause its an effect achieved by using modules in a way they were not intended to be used, or producing an effect they are not intended to produce; other tactics (used by gatecampers) being possible exploits doesn't change the fact that it is one.. There is NO practical way to counter it, CCP just fails to reckognise its error and dev's fail even more when they announce they want eve to be a violent game. Just my 2 cents How do you know it isn't being used exactly how the devs intended? Basically you would still have the same effect if you MWD+turn MWD off+cloak. The MWD would still be in effect until the end of the cycle. Only difference is MWD is blinking red instead of green. In Eve all active modules blinking red are considered turned off even if they're running their last cycle. And the counter is just as practical as the counter to gate camps. Use an inty to bump the ship off course before it has a chance to warp. Actually the more I think about it the more practical it is versus using a scout for every low sec/0.0 jump I make.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 17:23:00 - [327] Edited by: lecrotta on 02/06/2008 17:29:41 Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: deathtron About the original topic: mwd/cloak/warp is an exploit, why? well cause its an effect achieved by using modules in a way they were not intended to be used, or producing an effect they are not intended to produce; other tactics (used by gatecampers) being possible exploits doesn't change the fact that it is one.. There is NO practical way to counter it, CCP just fails to reckognise its error and dev's fail even more when they announce they want eve to be a violent game. Just my 2 cents How do you know it isn't being used exactly how the devs intended? Basically you would still have the same effect if you MWD+turn MWD off+cloak. The MWD would still be in effect until the end of the cycle. Only difference is MWD is blinking red instead of green. In Eve all active modules blinking red are considered turned off even if they're running their last cycle. And the counter is just as practical as the counter to gate camps. Use an inty to bump the ship off course before it has a chance to warp. Actually the more I think about it the more practical it is versus using a scout for every low sec/0.0 jump I make. Thats very true as a jam or a damp lasts on a target even if they cloak right after jamming. IE: A falcon jams a target but cloaks one second later, the target how ever remains jammed for the full cycle of the jam as the effect has been "fired" for want of a better word. A mwd effect works the same way, as is has given the engines its boost and still finishes its cycle on said engines even if the ship cloaks. But nobody screams exploit on the jammers or any of the other modules, i wonder why??.
Xailz Thunder Talons HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.06.02 17:58:00 - [328] lecrotta's a douche nightmareX ftw As for this Cloak warp malark its pretty stupid should probably put a max speed for each ship before it cant cloak anymore for now ill enjoy hauling things through lowsec with no worry of getting killed Xz
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 18:01:00 - [329] Originally by: Xailz lecrotta's a douche nightmareX ftw As for this Cloak warp malark its pretty stupid should probably put a max speed for each ship before it cant cloak anymore for now ill enjoy hauling things through lowsec with no worry of getting killed Xz Cool you go fit ecm multi specs on your BS then tard just like your muppet buddy.
Xailz Thunder Talons HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.06.02 18:08:00 - [330] Edited by: Xailz on 02/06/2008 18:09:19 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Xailz lecrotta's a douche nightmareX ftw As for this Cloak warp malark its pretty stupid should probably put a max speed for each ship before it cant cloak anymore for now ill enjoy hauling things through lowsec with no worry of getting killed Xz Cool you go fit ecm multi specs on your BS then tard just like your muppet buddy. I love my triple ECM multispec Abaddons since you dont seem to be to smart Megathron = 4 meds no sensor booster (maybe swap mwd out in long term camps) Tempest = 5 meds which means 1 fun slot for whatever the hell you like the tempest is a pretty sucky bs so relys on the extra slot to be effective imo with a compliment of ECM drones would make it even better now get out of my eve Xz
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.02 18:16:00 - [331] Edited by: NightmareX on 02/06/2008 18:19:28 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX Now, just read my updated reply you replied to. The fact you keep needing to edit/update like that is one of the reasons its obvious your a liar, as instead of just knowing the answers and posting them in one shot you keep thinking up new crap you think is clever and updating your posts. Originally by: NightmareX You have the reason there why i don't log into EVE atm. Really is that why your not loggin in today cos yesterday it was cos you were loading windows. Hey, if your not blind, then you see that i only added some text, i didn't edit it because i was wrong on something. And as you probably don't know because your stupier than a monkey, English is not my main language. Originally by: lecrotta Really is that why your not loggin in today cos yesterday it was cos you were loading windows. Yeah, but is yesterday today?
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.02 18:17:00 - [332] Originally by: Xailz lecrotta's a douche nightmareX ftw As for this Cloak warp malark its pretty stupid should probably put a max speed for each ship before it cant cloak anymore for now ill enjoy hauling things through lowsec with no worry of getting killed Xz Yes, MWD+cloak will allow those smart enough to fit it a greater chance of survival to your camp of death. Stop crying get over it and deal with it.
Xailz Thunder Talons HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.06.02 18:21:00 - [333] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Xailz lecrotta's a douche nightmareX ftw As for this Cloak warp malark its pretty stupid should probably put a max speed for each ship before it cant cloak anymore for now ill enjoy hauling things through lowsec with no worry of getting killed Xz Yes, MWD+cloak will allow those smart enough to fit it a greater chance of survival to your camp of death. Stop crying get over it and deal with it. Was that last part referring to me? if so please re-read what i said Xz
Patri Andari	Posted - 2008.06.02 18:32:00 - [334] Has anyone tried this on SISI with the new align button I keep hearing about? If so has it gotten even easier to perform? Patri A fool usually thinks he is a genius
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 18:36:00 - [335] Edited by: lecrotta on 02/06/2008 18:37:26 Originally by: Xailz I love my triple ECM multispec Abaddons Just how many kills have you had in your uber triple multispec ecm abaddon's?. Originally by: Xailz since you dont seem to be to smart Megathron = 4 meds no sensor booster (maybe swap mwd out in long term camps) Remove the mwd??? ok bud and its me you thinks not smart. And why no SB??. Originally by: Xailz Tempest = 5 meds which means 1 fun slot for whatever the hell you like the tempest is a pretty sucky bs so relys on the extra slot to be effective imo with a compliment of ECM drones would make it even better. I love it when noobs talk about "free" or "fun" slots on ANY ship in game as it shows a total lack of understanding tbh.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.02 18:58:00 - [336] Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Xailz Tempest = 5 meds which means 1 fun slot for whatever the hell you like the tempest is a pretty sucky bs so relys on the extra slot to be effective imo with a compliment of ECM drones would make it even better. I love it when noobs talk about "free" or "fun" slots on ANY ship in game as it shows a total lack of understanding tbh. LOL, says the alt who have sooooooo much experience in a Tempest. The true reason i choose to use a Tempest over a Megathron (yes i have Gallente BS level 5 + Large Blaster Spec skill at level 4 to), is because of the utility slots, it makes it more fun to use. It makes me able to survive more.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.02 19:03:00 - [337] Originally by: Xailz Was that last part referring to me? if so please re-read what i said Xz Oh I read it. With sarcasm and all. MWD+cloak is fine. Gate campers obviously won't like it. Adapt and move on.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 19:08:00 - [338] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Xailz Tempest = 5 meds which means 1 fun slot for whatever the hell you like the tempest is a pretty sucky bs so relys on the extra slot to be effective imo with a compliment of ECM drones would make it even better. I love it when noobs talk about "free" or "fun" slots on ANY ship in game as it shows a total lack of understanding tbh. LOL, says the alt who have sooooooo much experience in a Tempest. The true reason i choose to use a Tempest over a Megathron (yes i have Gallente BS level 5 + Large Blaster Spec skill at level 4 to), is because of the utility slots, it makes it more fun to use. It makes me able to survive more. If a single multi spec ecm on a close range tempest is needed to keep you alive or "survive more" then your not playing eve with it pal, your dreaming.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.02 19:12:00 - [339] Edited by: NightmareX on 02/06/2008 19:13:34 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Xailz Tempest = 5 meds which means 1 fun slot for whatever the hell you like the tempest is a pretty sucky bs so relys on the extra slot to be effective imo with a compliment of ECM drones would make it even better. I love it when noobs talk about "free" or "fun" slots on ANY ship in game as it shows a total lack of understanding tbh. LOL, says the alt who have sooooooo much experience in a Tempest. The true reason i choose to use a Tempest over a Megathron (yes i have Gallente BS level 5 + Large Blaster Spec skill at level 4 to), is because of the utility slots, it makes it more fun to use. It makes me able to survive more. If a single multi spec ecm on a close range tempest is needed to keep you alive or "survive more" then your not playing eve with it pal, your dreaming. You seems to not have readed my post earlier why ECM is win on a Tempest sometimes?, that time i had 3 ships on me. Yes, the ECM is the key between life or death. And you also know that a Tempest doesn't have a good tank, so then the ECM will help ALOT when it works. LEARN TO READ BEFORE YOU POST YOUR BULL****.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 19:17:00 - [340] Edited by: lecrotta on 02/06/2008 19:33:15 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX If a single multi spec ecm on a close range tempest is needed to keep you alive or "survive more" then your not playing eve with it pal, your dreaming. You seems to not have readed my post earlier why ECM is win on a Tempest sometimes?, that time i had 3 ships on me. Yes, the ECM is the key between life or death. And you also know that a Tempest doesn't have a good tank, so then the ECM will help ALOT when it works. LEARN TO READ BEFORE YOU POST YOUR BULL****. I did read your post and i pointed out how full of crap you are..maybe its you who should learn how to read bud if you missed it.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.02 19:47:00 - [341] Edited by: NightmareX on 02/06/2008 19:48:37 Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 02/06/2008 19:33:15 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX If a single multi spec ecm on a close range tempest is needed to keep you alive or "survive more" then your not playing eve with it pal, your dreaming. You seems to not have readed my post earlier why ECM is win on a Tempest sometimes?, that time i had 3 ships on me. Yes, the ECM is the key between life or death. And you also know that a Tempest doesn't have a good tank, so then the ECM will help ALOT when it works. LEARN TO READ BEFORE YOU POST YOUR BULL****. I did read your post and i pointed out how full of crap you are..maybe its you who should learn how to read bud if you missed it. Don't tell others how crap they are when you are the master of all masters in telling crap. And no, you didn't read my post, so maybe read it before you tell your noob history?
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 19:55:00 - [342] Edited by: lecrotta on 02/06/2008 19:56:31 Originally by: NightmareX And no, you didn't read my post, so maybe read it before you tell your noob history? Did you forget this lying Bull* you tried to pass off as a real event?......Number 319 if you missed it muppet. Originally by:** NightmareX Like this example. I had one Interceptor, one Brutix and one Astarte after me one time in my Tempest, and i was damn sure that i was going to die. But guess what, i first did jam the Astarte, and then waited for it to stop the cycle, and then right after i activated the ECM on the Brutix, and i was lucky to jam him to right after, but the Interceptor still had me scrambled, but i have a Heavy Neut fitted on my Tempest, so i neuted the Interceptor. And by that moment, no one had me scrambled after i had neuted the Interceptor, because the Astarte didn't had got me locked again while i had the Brutix jammed and the Interceptor neuted. So i ran. Yes i did choose to run, because 1 gank Brutix and 1 gank Astarte is hurting a Tempest. You see what i want to tell here with the ECM and Neut? you now see why i ALWAYS fit ECM and a Heavy Neut on a Tempest i hope. Your on the wrong forum for jackanory bull**** story telling.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.02 19:56:00 - [343] Edited by: NightmareX on 02/06/2008 19:57:49 Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 02/06/2008 19:55:39 Originally by: NightmareX And no, you didn't read my post, so maybe read it before you tell your noob history? DID you forget this post?......Number 319 if you missed it muppet. Originally by: NightmareX Like this example. I had one Interceptor, one Brutix and one Astarte after me one time in my Tempest, and i was damn sure that i was going to die. But guess what, i first did jam the Astarte, and then waited for it to stop the cycle, and then right after i activated the ECM on the Brutix, and i was lucky to jam him to right after, but the Interceptor still had me scrambled, but i have a Heavy Neut fitted on my Tempest, so i neuted the Interceptor. And by that moment, no one had me scrambled after i had neuted the Interceptor, because the Astarte didn't had got me locked again while i had the Brutix jammed and the Interceptor neuted. So i ran. Yes i did choose to run, because 1 gank Brutix and 1 gank Astarte is hurting a Tempest. You see what i want to tell here with the ECM and Neut? you now see why i ALWAYS fit ECM and a Heavy Neut on a Tempest i hope. Your on the wrong forum for jackanory bull** story telling. Did you read my posts at all? Now, are you gonna tell me somerhing that is true?, or are you just gonna tell the same bull** you are saying over and over and over and over and over.........? BTW, care to tell me who your main is?, if not, then suck terribly because you don't have the balls to revail who your main is.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 19:58:00 - [344] Edited by: lecrotta on 02/06/2008 19:58:28 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX And no, you didn't read my post, so maybe read it before you tell your noob history? DID you forget this post?......Number 319 if you missed it muppet. Originally by: NightmareX Like this example. I had one Interceptor, one Brutix and one Astarte after me one time in my Tempest, and i was damn sure that i was going to die. But guess what, i first did jam the Astarte, and then waited for it to stop the cycle, and then right after i activated the ECM on the Brutix, and i was lucky to jam him to right after, but the Interceptor still had me scrambled, but i have a Heavy Neut fitted on my Tempest, so i neuted the Interceptor. And by that moment, no one had me scrambled after i had neuted the Interceptor, because the Astarte didn't had got me locked again while i had the Brutix jammed and the Interceptor neuted. So i ran. Yes i did choose to run, because 1 gank Brutix and 1 gank Astarte is hurting a Tempest. You see what i want to tell here with the ECM and Neut? you now see why i ALWAYS fit ECM and a Heavy Neut on a Tempest i hope. Your on the wrong forum for jackanory bull**** story telling. Did you read my posts at all? Yes they belong in the fiction section under, dreams of a wanna be pvp muppet.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.02 19:58:00 - [345] Edited by: NightmareX on 02/06/2008 19:59:12 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX And no, you didn't read my post, so maybe read it before you tell your noob history? DID you forget this post?......Number 319 if you missed it muppet. Originally by: NightmareX Like this example. I had one Interceptor, one Brutix and one Astarte after me one time in my Tempest, and i was damn sure that i was going to die. But guess what, i first did jam the Astarte, and then waited for it to stop the cycle, and then right after i activated the ECM on the Brutix, and i was lucky to jam him to right after, but the Interceptor still had me scrambled, but i have a Heavy Neut fitted on my Tempest, so i neuted the Interceptor. And by that moment, no one had me scrambled after i had neuted the Interceptor, because the Astarte didn't had got me locked again while i had the Brutix jammed and the Interceptor neuted. So i ran. Yes i did choose to run, because 1 gank Brutix and 1 gank Astarte is hurting a Tempest. You see what i want to tell here with the ECM and Neut? you now see why i ALWAYS fit ECM and a Heavy Neut on a Tempest i hope. Your on the wrong forum for jackanory bull**** story telling. Did you read my posts at all? Yes they belong in the fiction section under, dreams of a wanna be muppet. Wanna post something that is true? Hey give up already, you wont win over me here. It's pointless, you can keep going like this for 20 more pages, but you wont get ANYWHERE. At least i have reason in my replys. Something you don't have.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 19:59:00 - [346] Originally by: NightmareX Wanna post something that is true? You first liar.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.02 20:00:00 - [347] Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX Wanna post something that is true? You first liar. Tells the liar it self.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 20:01:00 - [348] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX Wanna post something that is true? You first liar. Tells the liar it self. Ive made no claims so how can i be lying?, its you who make up stories about fights you have never had to try to make ppl believe your setup is uber but anybody with any clue knows it not and how full of crap you are.
Janus Cohen Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.02 20:02:00 - [349] To the op. your post is made from 100% pure unadulterated fail. Because when it is all said and done, it is about who has the most isk.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.02 20:07:00 - [350] Edited by: NightmareX on 02/06/2008 20:13:20 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX Wanna post something that is true? You first liar. Tells the liar it self. Ive made no claims so how can i be lying?, its you who make up stories about fights you have never had to try to make ppl believe your setup is uber but anybody with any clue knows it not and how full of crap you are. I'm telling about fights i never have had?, oh how do you know that?. Then i can say that, oh i know that you have NEVER PVP'ED. You telling nothing more than bull****, your not even coming with a single reason why YOU are right, you just say yadda yadda i'm the coolest guy in EVE and are uber awesome with my 330+ kills in one moths, oh oh, and i'm the king of all pirates and know how to do piracy and PVP. As long you haven't told us who your main is, then your nothing more than a zero, noob, alt poster who don't have the balls to show who your main is. Now wanna tell me who your main character is? or are you still gonna be a terribly failsauce emo kid and boost how awesome your are?. Before that happens, you can say whatever you like, you wont change my mind on ANYTHING. Now come with a main character, and post some facts that are true, then we can start to talk.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 20:14:00 - [351] Edited by: lecrotta on 02/06/2008 20:14:58 Ive given several reasons to refit your r****ded setup but you just ignore them cos your a fool. Now you can believe me and the others who say a multi spec is a worthless module on a BS or you can live in your little story telling delusion.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.02 20:15:00 - [352] Edited by: NightmareX on 02/06/2008 20:18:06 Originally by: lecrotta Ive given several reasons to refit your ******** setup but you just ignore them cos your a fool. Now you can believe me and the others who say a multi spec is a worthless module on a BS or you can live in your little story telling delusion. Refit my setup to a noobish setup?, no thanks. It's more depending on the situation on how i fit my Tempest. But yes, my main setup is with a Heavy Neut and an ECM. But then again, the setup i have now, works in 90% of all cases for ME. But LOLZ, your talking about others that are telling stories? bwaahahahahahahahahah, your the best one for that. Your the kind of story telling. Wanna tell me some fantasy stories before i go to bed?
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 20:26:00 - [353] Why would i bother with that when the dreams you posted on here and tried to pass off as real were so amusing. Sweet dreams im sure you will be a great pvper and pirate in you bed tonight.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.02 20:28:00 - [354] Edited by: NightmareX on 02/06/2008 20:34:48 Originally by: lecrotta Why would i bother with that when the dreams you posted on here and tried to pass off as real were so amusing. Sweet dreams im sure you will be a great pvper and pirate in you bed tonight. Now maybe you should start tell WHY you are right, but i bet you can't. Everyone in this topic except for some emo kid noob alts knows that i'm 100% right. Now tell me why you are right. Nothing of what i have told is a dream or a lie. I still wan't you to tell us who your main character is, tell it or STFU. And i'm a much much better pvper than you think i'am. Care to ask MAFIA, Infinitus Odium, Quam about it?, then you will get the fact. That's the corps i have been in for the last 2 years. I bet you don't have the balls to ask them, because you will se how much fail you are then.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 20:39:00 - [355] Originally by: NightmareX Now maybe you should start tell WHY you are right, but i bet you can't. Everyone in this topic except for some emo kid noob alts knows that i'm 100% right. Now tell me why you are right. Nothing of what i have told is a dream or a lie. Im right because with no ecm bonus and using multi specs the chance of getting a activation is stupidly low while a sensor booster is a lot more useful as i and others have told you. The only person who agreed with you is a muppet in the so called "multi-spec ecm abaddon" and they have even less recorded kills than you and none at all with that fit or ship.
Reboro	Posted - 2008.06.02 20:46:00 - [356] I donÆt understand what the commotion is all about?.. The other day I had to relocate in 0.0 and found out that warp&cloak deal doesnÆt work anymore as it used to. My MWD cycle was terminated right after I cloaked. (please note I cloaked right after hitting MWD) So, if you bubble the gate, they are screwedà whatÆs the big deal? And btw, what is this crap about ecm?... this post is about MWD and cloaking, so get lost!
Xailz Thunder Talons HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.06.02 20:49:00 - [357] Edited by: Xailz on 02/06/2008 20:51:00 Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 02/06/2008 18:37:26 Originally by: Xailz I love my triple ECM multispec Abaddons Just how many kills have you had in your uber triple multispec ecm abaddon's?. Learn Sarcasm idiot Originally by: Xailz since you dont seem to be to smart Megathron = 4 meds no sensor booster (maybe swap mwd out in long term camps) Remove the mwd??? ok bud and its me you thinks not smart. And why no SB??. so what your going to drop the web? lol moron ow wait no the cap booster! ofc! it all makes sense now and i suggested dropping the MWD as when you are gate camping you dont really use it due to the fact if you sit properly you will be 13k of any target and will be able to web them right away (presuming you have heat) Originally by: Xailz Tempest = 5 meds which means 1 fun slot for whatever the hell you like the tempest is a pretty sucky bs so relys on the extra slot to be effective imo with a compliment of ECM drones would make it even better. I love it when noobs talk about "free" or "fun" slots on ANY ship in game as it shows a total lack of understanding tbh. Wrong it just means you can put anything you want there you could say a thanatos has a fun slot on the meds as its cap stable with 4 chargers (not saying you should but) means you have room to put sensor booster/scram/etc same goes for tempest it has the 4 standard slots for the usual pvp needed mods and a free one to put w.e you want in to make your setup work better Please stop posting
Xailz Thunder Talons HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.06.02 20:58:00 - [358] Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX Drivel Im so sorry that i dont play that often on this character ill just stop posting cus im obviously a noob and know nothing about internet spaceships
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 21:01:00 - [359] Edited by: lecrotta on 02/06/2008 21:02:24 Originally by: Xailz I should stop posting cos im a idiot. True but il try to help you anyway. 1. Removing the mwd for any reason is stupid. 2. Cap booster, mwd, SB, web for a low sec gate camping mega bud. 3. NO ship in eve has a free slot especially a carrier. 4. This is the smartest thing you have said: Originally by: Xailz Ill just stop posting cus im obviously a noob and know nothing about internet spaceships
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.02 21:02:00 - [360] Edited by: NightmareX on 02/06/2008 21:03:54 lecrotta, care to tell why an ECM is not usefull on a Tempest? The ECM is one of the modules that really can help the Tempest to stay alive. A Sensor Booster is not making you a bigger chance to survive, it just make you to lock faster and to get on more killmails. And it also helps you to not get damped to hell and back.
Xailz Thunder Talons HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.06.02 21:12:00 - [361] Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 02/06/2008 21:02:24 Originally by: Xailz I should stop posting cos im a idiot. True but il try to help you anyway. 1. Removing the mwd for any reason is stupid. 2. Cap booster, mwd, SB, web for a low sec gate camping mega bud. 3. NO ship in eve has a free slot especially a carrier. 4. This is the smartest thing you have said: Originally by: Xailz Ill just stop posting cus im obviously a noob and know nothing about internet spaceships Let me help you understand 1. I dident say that so stfu 2. learn sarcasm once again kthxbi Xz
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 21:14:00 - [362] Edited by: lecrotta on 02/06/2008 21:14:42 Originally by: NightmareX lecrotta, care to tell why an ECM is not usefull on a Tempest? A Sensor Booster is not making you a bigger chance to survive, it just make you to lock faster and to get on more killmails. And it also helps you to not get damped to hell and back. Posts that cover my and others thoughts on SB over ecm multi specs: 315 322 327 364
Xailz Thunder Talons HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.06.02 21:21:00 - [363] Originally by: deathtron Somthing about the extra dps from a earlier lock time Post 327 Lock time difference 3-4 seconds? not sure but at max wich is equal to maybe 2 gun activations ECM hit i believe is 20 seconds? so one cycle is equal to almost 7 gun cycles how long does a fight last? 2 mins for example so 120 / 20 = 6 possible hits you do the math (no offence intended, correct mistakes if any not really paying attention here) Xz
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.02 21:35:00 - [364] Edited by: NightmareX on 02/06/2008 21:38:03 Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 02/06/2008 21:16:14 Originally by: NightmareX lecrotta, care to tell why an ECM is not usefull on a Tempest? A Sensor Booster is not making you a bigger chance to survive, it just make you to lock faster and to get on more killmails. And it also helps you to not get damped to hell and back. Posts that cover my and others thoughts on SB over ecm multi specs: 315 322 327 364 Like i have said, if your a pirate and you need a multi spec ecm on a BS to survive your a crappy pirate and your gonna die a lot. Hey, you think i will die any more if i'm in a Megathron without an ECM? And the posts on those numbers: 315, 322, 327, 364 is nothing more than bull**** anyways. They doesn't tell ANYTHING why ECM is useless on a Tempest. Care to tell me why an ECM is useless on a Tempest?
Xailz Thunder Talons HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.06.02 21:36:00 - [365] Originally by: NightmareX Care to tell me why an ECM is useless on a Tempest? This ^
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 21:39:00 - [366] Originally by: Xailz clueless drivel fixed that for ya.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 21:40:00 - [367] Originally by: Xailz Originally by: NightmareX Care to tell me why an ECM is useless on a Tempest? This ^ Because if your ever in a position where you think you need it your screwed anyway.
Xailz Thunder Talons HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.06.02 21:44:00 - [368] Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Xailz clueless drivel fixed that for ya. Ow sorry proved you wrong so just ignor the question right? gotcha Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Xailz Originally by: NightmareX Care to tell me why an ECM is useless on a Tempest? This ^ Because if your ever in a position where you think you need it your screwed anyway. K If your in a position where you need a plated battleship your screwed anyway see what i did there? hope so Xz
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 21:58:00 - [369] Originally by: Xailz K If your in a position where you need a plated battleship your screwed anyway see what i did there? hope so Xz We are talking about piracy in low sec with scouts, a ecm unit is a waste of a slot in a BS in that situation cos if you get jumped by enough ships that you need to rely on a 1 ecm unit on a BS to try to break a tackle your already dead and you just do not know it yet. A good scout checking systems and a SB fitted is far better for low sec piracy than any ecm unit invented and if you cannot understand that its because you do not want to.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.02 22:08:00 - [370] Edited by: NightmareX on 02/06/2008 22:10:55 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Xailz K If your in a position where you need a plated battleship your screwed anyway see what i did there? hope so Xz We are talking about piracy in low sec with scouts, a ecm unit is a waste of a slot in a BS in that situation cos if you get jumped by enough ships that you need to rely on a 1 ecm unit on a BS to try to break a tackle your already dead and you just do not know it yet. A good scout checking systems and a SB fitted is far better for low sec piracy than any ecm unit invented and if you cannot understand that its because you do not want to. So my ECM was still a waste when i got attacked by the Astarte, Brutix and the Interceptor (Crow i think it was) in low sec? Wow, you just prooved your self that your the king of beeing the biggest noobcake in EVE when it's about PVP. Thank you for prooving that. Congrats
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 22:10:00 - [371] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Xailz K If your in a position where you need a plated battleship your screwed anyway see what i did there? hope so Xz We are talking about piracy in low sec with scouts, a ecm unit is a waste of a slot in a BS in that situation cos if you get jumped by enough ships that you need to rely on a 1 ecm unit on a BS to try to break a tackle your already dead and you just do not know it yet. A good scout checking systems and a SB fitted is far better for low sec piracy than any ecm unit invented and if you cannot understand that its because you do not want to. Wow, you just prooved your self that your the king of beeing the biggest noob in EVE when it's about PVP. Thank you for prooving that. Congrats And yet the only moron disputing me is a liar like you...
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.02 22:12:00 - [372] Edited by: NightmareX on 02/06/2008 22:12:10 Originally by: lecrotta And yet the only moron disputing me is a liar like you... Oh my god, this is so funny.
Xailz Thunder Talons HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.06.02 23:22:00 - [373] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 02/06/2008 22:16:32 Originally by: lecrotta And yet the only moron disputing me is a liar like you... Oh my god, this is so funny. I can't stop laughting. What nightmare got out of is nothing compared to some things ive escaped from and it was thanks to one module difference not a ECM but the principle is the same Just because you arent smart enough to react to a quickly changing situation doesnt mean others cant and why would Nightmare lie about internet spaceships? ive spoken to him a few times (he prolly doesnt know it so many alts xD) and he isnt the type to lie about such a thing Xz
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.02 23:42:00 - [374] Im a 2003 player and some of my former corps are: Huff Tech (The low sec gate campers) MDK (nano) Illuminati (nano) Outbreak (sniping) Burn eden (sniping ravens with cloaks and damps) Currently i am flying in low sec again in a close range mega with a pirate organization and none of our battle ships have multi-spec ECM units and believe me when i say we never will. Ive been in worse scrapes that the one he dreamed up to try to justify having a worthless module on his ship and i know nobody who i consider to be a competent pvper who would fit a ecm module on a close range BS for a organized low sec gate camp. On the other hand i know all of them would fit a sensor booster in the slot and most certainly do.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.02 23:49:00 - [375] Edited by: NightmareX on 02/06/2008 23:51:07 I'm an early 2004 player, not with NightmareX, but from when i started to play for the first time. I started with NightmareX 9 Nov 2004. And it took like 1+ year after i started to play before i started to do PVP. And even then i know much more about PVP than you do lecrotta. And still, the ECM is not worthless on a TEMPEST. Even when the Tempest doesn't have any bonuses to ECM doesn't make the ECM useless on a Tempest. Now grow some balls, and tell all of us here who your main is. It doesn't help to tell how awesome you are when you only say it with an alt, it doesn't work.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.03 00:26:00 - [376] Originally by: Xailz Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Xailz I call bull**** on your crap about being some 1337 pvp alt reveal your main or stfu prove me wrong i dare you till then stop posting Xz If you were ppl who had even the slightest clue then you would agree with me so posting the name of my main/mains is pointless as it will not change your stupid minds and only give you a reason to try to discredit my main instead of my points and corrections. Whatever till you decide to show your main i wont reply to your crap any longer Xz Good riddance you talk rubbish.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.03 00:30:00 - [377] Edited by: NightmareX on 03/06/2008 00:31:21 Originally by: lecrotta You find time to sit on the forum for hours but not to play eve?. PS: i saw you login a bit earlier (i added you to my list to see if you are able to be active while posting) did you get kills in the time you were on?.. cos i have been killing all evening. Uhm hello?, there is something called beeing with your friends, visiting my parents that also have a computer with internet. So i can post from many places. I can even post from my iPod Touch. Like now when i'm logged on while i'm posting on the forum at the same time is because i'm at my own computer now. And yeah, we in Quam are moving atm, so no time to do any pvp ops right now.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.03 00:39:00 - [378] Edited by: lecrotta on 03/06/2008 00:42:23 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta You find time to sit on the forum for hours but not to play eve?. PS: i saw you login a bit earlier (i added you to my list to see if you are able to be active while posting) did you get kills in the time you were on?.. cos i have been killing all evening. Uhm hello?, there is something called being with your friends, visiting my parents that also have a computer with internet. So i can post from many places. I can even post from my iPod Touch. More lies. Here is a clue bud if you are gonna make up lies to cover yourself just stick to one as posting several makes it obvious your full of crap. PS: BEING PPS: if you pvp and are good at it you cannot help getting on KM's as it just happens so you aint doin it and hardly ever have.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.03 01:09:00 - [379] Edited by: NightmareX on 03/06/2008 01:09:18 Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 03/06/2008 00:42:23 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta You find time to sit on the forum for hours but not to play eve?. PS: i saw you login a bit earlier (i added you to my list to see if you are able to be active while posting) did you get kills in the time you were on?.. cos i have been killing all evening. Uhm hello?, there is something called being with your friends, visiting my parents that also have a computer with internet. So i can post from many places. I can even post from my iPod Touch. More lies. Here is a clue bud if you are gonna make up lies to cover yourself just stick to one as posting several makes it obvious your full of crap. PS: BEING PPS: if you pvp and are good at it you cannot help getting on KM's as it just happens so you aint doin it and hardly ever have. Like your not lieing. OMG an alt is telling me about PVP ahahahaha, he thinks he must be something big lols.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.03 01:25:00 - [380] As i have said, in eve you cannot avoid getting on killmails if you pvp, its inevitable. And to know about pvp you need to do it. Your stats for over 2 years. Kills: 134 Losses: 17 These figures are a total joke for most pvpers in a month let alone over 2 years. Now you can claim that you do not like killmails but the fact is you cannot avoid them. So its official you suck and have no idea about pvp. Now prove me wrong if you can.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.03 01:32:00 - [381] Edited by: NightmareX on 03/06/2008 01:34:23 Originally by: lecrotta As i have said, in eve you cannot avoid getting on killmails if you pvp, its inevitable. And to know about pvp you need to do it. Your stats for over 2 years. Kills: 134 Losses: 17 These figures are a total joke for most pvpers in a month let alone over 2 years. Now you can claim that you do not like killmails but the fact is you cannot avoid them. So its official you suck and have no idea about pvp. Now prove me wrong if you can. And you goes on with showing the kills on me, lol are you trying to make you look even worser or what?. Doesn't you have anything better to do, oh wait, you can't because you don't have anything good to say, so you have to use my kills as an excuse, now please fail more. Take a guess whos the stupiest player here. Me with those stupid and uncorrect stats from Battleclinic or you with your uber l33t 330+ kills per month?. The kills doesn't mean **** dude, it only tells how big your e-peen is. Now tell us who your main character is, before that happens, i rule you all day long, i'm even 5864877 times better than you in EVERYTHING as long you post with your alt. And alt cannot claim to be good at anything, except for beeing a good noobtard on the forum.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.03 01:39:00 - [382] Edited by: lecrotta on 03/06/2008 01:40:52 Originally by: lecrotta As i have said, in eve you cannot avoid getting on killmails if you pvp, its inevitable. And to know about pvp you need to do it. Your stats for over 2 years. Kills: 134 Losses: 17 These figures are a total joke for most pvpers in a month let alone over 2 years. Now you can claim that you do not like killmails but the fact is you cannot avoid them. So its official you suck and have no idea about pvp. Now prove me wrong if you can. Originally by: NightmareX I cannot think of a good answer to your facts so i'l say your a silly alt and claim battle clinic is wrong or lying about me as well Fixed that for ya pal, now if you wanna post a link with proof of your real stats and that battle clinic is wrong id be glads to read it. Oh and kills = killmails and pvp experience and pvp experience is knowledge and you have none of any of them lol.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.03 01:44:00 - [383] Edited by: NightmareX on 03/06/2008 01:48:45 Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 03/06/2008 01:40:52 Originally by: lecrotta As i have said, in eve you cannot avoid getting on killmails if you pvp, its inevitable. And to know about pvp you need to do it. Your stats for over 2 years. Kills: 134 Losses: 17 These figures are a total joke for most pvpers in a month let alone over 2 years. Now you can claim that you do not like killmails but the fact is you cannot avoid them. So its official you suck and have no idea about pvp. Now prove me wrong if you can. Originally by: NightmareX I cannot think of a good answer to your facts so i'l say your a silly alt and claim battle clinic is wrong or lying about me as well Fixed that for ya pal, now if you wanna post a link with proof of your real stats and that battle clinic is wrong id be glads to read it. Oh and kills = killmails and pvp experience and pvp experience is knowledge and you have none of any of them lol. When Battleclinic have killmails form me that are posted from some noobs on sisi, then Battleclinic is as wrong as it can get. Now care to backup / tell me why Battleclinic is right then? Now, how many of those 134 kills are quality kills?, most of them are, you don't see any noobship kills there, and almost no shuttle kills. 2k of Ginger Magican's shuttle / noobship kills for example, is worth maybe like 1 good fitted t2 frig kill i have.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.03 01:47:00 - [384] Edited by: lecrotta on 03/06/2008 01:48:25 Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 03/06/2008 01:44:30 Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 03/06/2008 01:40:52 Originally by: lecrotta As i have said, in eve you cannot avoid getting on killmails if you pvp, its inevitable. And to know about pvp you need to do it. Your stats for over 2 years. Kills: 134 Losses: 17 These figures are a total joke for most pvpers in a month let alone over 2 years. Now you can claim that you do not like killmails but the fact is you cannot avoid them. So its official you suck and have no idea about pvp. Now prove me wrong if you can. Originally by: NightmareX I cannot think of a good answer to your facts so i'l say your a silly alt and claim battle clinic is wrong or lying about me as well Fixed that for ya pal, now if you wanna post a link with proof of your real stats and that battle clinic is wrong id be glads to read it. Oh and kills = killmails and pvp experience and pvp experience is knowledge and you have none of any of them lol. When Battleclinic have killmails form me that are posted from some noobs on sisi, then Battleclinic is as wrong as it can get. Now care to backup / tell me why Battleclinic is right then? So your saying you have more kills on it than you should and that you suck even worse than we originally thought?. Im not surprised tbh. Now prove you have lots of kills not on BC pls all i need is a link...
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.03 01:50:00 - [385] Edited by: NightmareX on 03/06/2008 01:52:48 Originally by: lecrotta So your saying you have more kills on it than you should and that you suck even worse than we originally thought?. Im not surprised tbh. Now prove you have lots of kills not on BC pls all i need is a link... It's not the point, the point is that Battleclinic in the whole is a waste to have as a killmail e-peen booster on how many kills you got, because of the killmails that are posted from sisi. Will a link to all of my kills make you leave this channel or STFU?, no it wont, so no you wont get the link, and you wont get it either because your an alt.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.03 01:52:00 - [386] Edited by: lecrotta on 03/06/2008 01:54:19 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta So your saying you have more kills on it than you should and that you suck even worse than we originally thought?. Im not surprised tbh. Now prove you have lots of kills not on BC pls all i need is a link... It's not the point, the point is that Battleclinic in the whole is a waste to have as a killmail e-peen booster on how many kills you got, because of the killmails that are posted from sisi. So you must be feeling the shrinkage as your stats on it already suck, now if you had say 3k kills on it and most were from sisi then your point would be valid but you have very few so your point is stupid and lessens your case as a pvper. Still waiting for a link to your many kills pls.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.03 01:54:00 - [387] Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta So your saying you have more kills on it than you should and that you suck even worse than we originally thought?. Im not surprised tbh. Now prove you have lots of kills not on BC pls all i need is a link... It's not the point, the point is that Battleclinic in the whole is a waste to have as a killmail e-peen booster on how many kills you got, because of the killmails that are posted from sisi. So you must be feeling the shrinkage as your stats on it already suck. Post your link maybe, to proove that you are better?, but oh noes, don't have the balls omgomgomgomgomg.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.03 01:58:00 - [388] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 03/06/2008 01:55:36 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta So your saying you have more kills on it than you should and that you suck even worse than we originally thought?. Im not surprised tbh. Now prove you have lots of kills not on BC pls all i need is a link... Still waiting for a link to your many kills pls. It's not the point, the point is that Battleclinic in the whole is a waste to have as a killmail e-peen booster on how many kills you got, because of the killmails that are posted from sisi. So you must be feeling the shrinkage as your stats on it already suck. i cannot cos i do not have one cos im a crappy pvper Fixed and thats all you need to say bud cos if you do not admit it to me or yourself you will never improve.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.03 02:00:00 - [389] Edited by: NightmareX on 03/06/2008 02:02:37 Originally by: lecrotta i cannot cos i do not have one cos im a crappy pvper Fixed and thats all you need to say bud cos if you do not admit it to me or yourself you will never improve. Still don't have the balls to post your link to your stats?, or are you just trying to make you look uber l33t and awesome and thinking you are mega cool? When you post your stats to your main, then i will post my stats. I'M WAAAAAAAAAAAITING. Hey the time is ticking. Are you gonna post it already?, i don't have all days on me to get the link.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.03 02:05:00 - [390] Originally by: NightmareX Still don't have the balls to post your link to your stats?, or are you just tryingto make you look uber l33t and awesome but thinking you are cool? My figures while pretty much every month beat your total EVER are not the issue and even if i did post them here you are the kind of person that will still find a bull**** argument and lie about other stuff. You have done it over and over again on this thread and so im not going to give you the opportunity to continue to do it. Look at your hero skywalker and others stats and you will see considerably better numbers than yours, now are you saying his figures are a lie and that they are wrong or buffed up from sisi?.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.03 02:07:00 - [391] Edited by: NightmareX on 03/06/2008 02:14:31 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX Still don't have the balls to post your link to your stats?, or are you just tryingto make you look uber l33t and awesome but thinking you are cool? My figures while pretty much every month beat your total EVER are not the issue and even if i did post them here you are the kind of person that will still find a bull**** argument and lie about other stuff. You have done it over and over again on this thread and so im not going to give you the opportunity to continue to do it. Look at your hero skywalker and others stats and you will see considerably better numbers than yours, now are you saying his figures are a lie and that they are wrong or buffed up from sisi?. Wall of text that doesn't have a meaning without a link to a killboard. OMG, you just prooved you cannot read. I said that using Battleclinic as a link to show how many kills you got is not a point. Because there is posted many kills from sisi there. Yes it shows most of your kills, but it's not even near 85% accurate. How many times do i have to tell you that before you get it into your gold fish brain that only remember something for 2 secs? Still waiting for your killboard link. Face it, as long you don't post the link here, you have lost, simple. Without the killboard link, your words means nothing.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.03 02:17:00 - [392] Originally by: NightmareX im a liar and im trying to deflect the issue fixed.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.03 02:21:00 - [393] Edited by: NightmareX on 03/06/2008 02:21:20 Originally by: lecrotta im a liar and im trying to deflect the issue fixed more.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.03 02:24:00 - [394] NightmareX stats: Kills: 134 Losses: 17 Need we know more.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.03 02:27:00 - [395] Edited by: NightmareX on 03/06/2008 02:31:07 Originally by: lecrotta lecrotta's main character stats: Kills: 0 Losses: ? Need we know more. Still want to know your link to make sure the stats above are right or false.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.03 02:30:00 - [396] Edited by: lecrotta on 03/06/2008 02:33:59 Originally by: lecrotta lecrotta's stats: Kills: 0 Losses: 0 There ya go now its correct for this guy as he has never even undocked. Now if you get over 2k kills in a reasonable time i may consider you worthy of knowing my mains name.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.03 02:33:00 - [397] Originally by: lecrotta lecrotta's main character stats: Kills: 0 Losses: ? Need we know more. Care to post a link to confirm that?
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.03 02:37:00 - [398] Edited by: lecrotta on 03/06/2008 02:38:03 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta lecrotta's main character stats: Kills: 0 Losses: ? Need we know more. Care to post a link to confirm that? If you can show me how to post a link to nothing il do so but with 0 kills and 0 losses and the fact he has never undocked makes a link to his stats kinda hard as he has none. Still he is only slightly behind you lol and he has never undocked ROFLMAO. GRATZ YOUVE MANAGED TO BE A BETTER PVPER THAN A TOON THAT HAS NEVER SHOT A SINGLE ROUND OR EVEN UNDOCKED.
1Evildude Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.06.03 02:44:00 - [399] 1000isk to the person that reads from page 1 through to here... * Of all the things I've lost, I miss my boot.ini file the most * Mega Night Out!
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.03 02:48:00 - [400] Edited by: NightmareX on 03/06/2008 02:49:27 Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 03/06/2008 02:38:03 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta lecrotta's main character stats: Kills: 0 Losses: 0 Is now confirmed. Need we know more. Care to post a link to confirm that? If you can show me how to post a link to nothing il do so but with 0 kills and 0 losses and the fact he has never undocked makes a link to his stats kinda hard as he has none. Still he is only slightly behind you lol and he has never undocked ROFLMAO. GRATZ YOUVE MANAGED TO BE A BETTER PVPER THAN A TOON THAT HAS NEVER SHOT A SINGLE ROUND OR EVEN UNDOCKED. Oh, so your saying your main character have never undocked and never shot a single round?. Thanks for telling the truth. I wasn't asking about you there, i was asking about your MAIN character.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.03 02:51:00 - [401] Originally by: NightmareX I wasn't asking about you there, i was asking about your MAIN character. My main will be revealed when you are worthy as i said.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.03 02:54:00 - [402] Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX I wasn't asking about you there, i was asking about your MAIN character. My main will be revealed when you are worthy as i said. LOL, keep dreaming noob. It's you that have to start prooving things here now. I have prooved uhhhhm well MANY things here. So wanna post a link to your main character stats?, or are you still gonna be an emo noob kid?
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.03 03:04:00 - [403] Edited by: lecrotta on 03/06/2008 03:04:51 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX I wasn't asking about you there, i was asking about your MAIN character. My main will be revealed when you are worthy as i said. LOL, keep dreaming noob. It's you that have to start proving things here now. I have proved uhhhhm well MANY things here. You have proved: 1. That you suck at fitting your gate camping ship. 2. That you have no clue about pvp. 3. That you are the most juvenile and pathetic liar ive ever seen. 4. That your stats are those of a total noobtard. 5. That your only slightly better at pvp than a toon that does not undock ever. (my personal favorite that one) 6. You cannot think of anything original so you copy mine and others posting style. 7. That unless you get to 2k kills within a reasonable amount of time you are UNWORTHY of knowing my mains names.
CoLe Blackblood Transnational Speedway League	Posted - 2008.06.03 03:05:00 - [404] Its funny how beancounting can equal a "good" PVPer. HA! What a crock! On topic: I love the warp cloak trick personally.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.03 03:09:00 - [405] Edited by: lecrotta on 03/06/2008 03:09:51 Originally by: CoLe Blackblood Its funny how beancounting can equal a "good" PVPer. HA! What a crock! On topic: I love the warp cloak trick personally. Killboards/stats do not just show figures and xp they also show who, what, where and how many you faced and how often.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.03 03:21:00 - [406] Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 03/06/2008 03:04:51 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX I wasn't asking about you there, i was asking about your MAIN character. My main will be revealed when you are worthy as i said. LOL, keep dreaming noob. It's you that have to start proving things here now. I have proved uhhhhm well MANY things here. You have proved: 1. That you suck at fitting your gate camping ship. 2. That you have no clue about pvp. 3. That you are the most juvenile and pathetic liar ive ever seen. 4. That your stats are those of a total noobtard. 5. That your only slightly better at pvp than a toon that does not undock ever. (my personal favorite that one) 6. You cannot think of anything original so you copy mine and others posting style. 7. That unless you get to 2k kills within a reasonable amount of time you are UNWORTHY of knowing my mains names. As long you don't link to your main character kills, then this above wont matter, or doesn't have a meaning. Now to the point, you say my gate camping setup suck. Now do you have the balls to take me on a 1 vs 1 in EVE? If you win over me, you get 20 mill isk + my loot. Time to prove who's the best one in PVP here, as long your not a pussie who don't want to take a 1 vs 1 to prove who's best And then you talk about liar. Uh, why talk about that when your the one who are the best with lieing? You don't even have the balls to post your stats from your main character. That might even get me to think that your like 1 billion times worser than me lol, because you must have so crappy stats and don't dare to post the stats. I'm better in most and know butt load more than EVERY noob alt's on this forum, FYI. Do you know why i copy your post styles?, your a ****** if you don't know why. It's because it's to make others see ho much failure and crappy your writing styles are here. You also say you wont tell me your main character name before i get to 2k kills, ok, do you really want me to find a freighter with many many shuttles and then post all of the killmails i get from killing the shuttles?. It will still be 2k kills after a little while.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.03 03:22:00 - [407] Originally by: NightmareX more ranting. stfu nub.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.03 03:29:00 - [408] Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX more ranting. stfu nub. Says the biggest noobcake here.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.03 03:33:00 - [409] Do you like my new sig?. NightmareX stats in 2.5 years: Kills: 134 Losses: 17 Need we know more.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.03 03:36:00 - [410] Edited by: NightmareX on 03/06/2008 03:37:49 Originally by: lecrotta Do you like my new sig?. Hell yeah, it's absolutely better than your main character stats anyways. But lecrotta, wanna have a 1 vs 1 fight with your main to prove that you are better than me in PVP?, we can even have multiple fights to, not just one fight. Comeon, don't be a ***** or a weak emo kid.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.03 03:40:00 - [411] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta Do you like my new sig?. Hell yeah, it's absolutely better than your main character stats anyways. But lecrotta, wanna have a 1 vs 1 fight with your main to prove that you are better than me in PVP?, we can even have multiple fights to, not just one fight. Id love to 1 v 1 you all you need do is ask your own or one of your buddies locater agents where i am and convo me when you get into or near local. NightmareX stats in 2.5 years: Kills: 134 Losses: 17 Need we know more.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.03 03:45:00 - [412] Well lets see what's happening. Atm we are moving to a new place in EVE, so might take a while before that will happen. And ofc, either you or me need to be near each others, if not, then i don't want to spend lots of time and isk to just get to the place you are. Because if it's about many jumps, i might have to go via high sec, and i can't do that then.
Bailian Moxtain Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.03 12:04:00 - [413] Originally by: NightmareX Well lets see what's happening. Atm we are moving to a new place in EVE, so might take a while before that will happen. And ofc, either you or me need to be near each others, if not, then i don't want to spend lots of time and isk to just get to the place you are. Because if it's about many jumps, i might have to go via high sec, and i can't do that then. we all know u wont fight him night, no point acting here... Your stats are disappointing, end of story. No further smacking mkay *- made in Norway -*
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.03 12:33:00 - [414] Originally by: Bailian Moxtain Originally by: NightmareX Well lets see what's happening. Atm we are moving to a new place in EVE, so might take a while before that will happen. And ofc, either you or me need to be near each others, if not, then i don't want to spend lots of time and isk to just get to the place you are. Because if it's about many jumps, i might have to go via high sec, and i can't do that then. we all know u wont fight him night, no point acting here... Your stats are disappointing, end of story. No further smacking mkay I will fight him if he want. I know my stats is not THAT good, but meh, who cares. The stats is not what i live of.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.06.03 13:41:00 - [415] Originally by: NightmareX I know my stats is not THAT good, but meh, who cares. The stats is not what i live of. It only took 6 pages of your bull**** before you finally got around to admitting that you don't have much experience of pvp. You only got 19 kills while in TRI, a PVP alliance that was engaging in fleet wars and roaming gangs on a daily basis. Your excuses and lies have been laughable in this thread.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.03 13:44:00 - [416] Edited by: NightmareX on 03/06/2008 13:44:44 Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: NightmareX I know my stats is not THAT good, but meh, who cares. The stats is not what i live of. It only took 6 pages of your bull**** before you finally got around to admitting that you don't have much experience of pvp. Still you fail to use your brain. Killmails or stats is not my PVP experience. Killmails and stats are only for noobs who wants to boost about how big their e-peen is. Want a cookie?
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.06.03 13:47:00 - [417] Originally by: NightmareX Killmails or stats is not my PVP experience. Here is a clue. Forum posting is NOT pvp. That's where your experience is. And whether you want a killmaill or not has nothing to do with the fact you end on hundreds if you actually fight. Of course you wouldn't know about that. I'll leave you to rant for another 6 pages now, you little fake.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.06.03 13:49:00 - [418] Edited by: NightmareX on 03/06/2008 13:55:16 Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: NightmareX Killmails or stats is not my PVP experience. Here is a clue. Forum posting is NOT pvp. That's where your experience is. And whether you want a killmaill or not has nothing to do with the fact you end on hundreds if you actually fight. Of course you wouldn't know about that. I'll leave you to rant for another 6 pages now, you little fake. Says the very very PVP experienced alt that knows exactly how PVP and piracy works, oh yeah, what you say must always be true. As long you continue to tell the same bull** as lecrotta here, then you wont make me to stop posting, so now go and whine some more emo kid, so i have a reason to be on the forum instead of playing the game. Now if you don't see that arguing with me with alts is POINTLESS, then your a very very stupid and ****** person, so just stop already, before you also looks to stupid. Now go and kill some noobs in shuttles or noob ships in Jita or something. EDIT: I'm the master of forum PVP btw.
Sconitta Demonic Corp G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.06.03 15:58:00 - [419] and you had to come here and say " HEY ALL OF EVE DONT DO THISSSS THISS MAKES YOU NOT DIE" "ohh cool il do cloack mwd all the time now and tell my friends about it"
Farsi Caldoran	Posted - 2008.06.10 22:44:00 - [420] This thread has been hijacked. Look at all the pretty flames ^_^
oilio State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.11 02:44:00 - [421] MWD then cloak "trick"... ...almost as bad as the "fire weapons trick" - that's even worse, because it has been known to destroy people's ships and pods. ...and that nasty "tank" trick... where it takes ages to kill the ship using the "fire weapons" trick. ...and the "ECM" trick that spoils the "fire weapons" trick.
Luna Cii	Posted - 2008.06.11 03:57:00 - [422] Originally by: oilio MWD then cloak "trick"... ...almost as bad as the "fire weapons trick" - that's even worse, because it has been known to destroy people's ships and pods. ...and that nasty "tank" trick... where it takes ages to kill the ship using the "fire weapons" trick. ...and the "ECM" trick that spoils the "fire weapons" trick. The "Log In" trick beats all those.
eve warrior Filthy Scum	Posted - 2008.06.11 04:45:00 - [423] Originally by: oilio MWD then cloak "trick"... ...almost as bad as the "fire weapons trick" - that's even worse, because it has been known to destroy people's ships and pods. ...and that nasty "tank" trick... where it takes ages to kill the ship using the "fire weapons" trick. ...and the "ECM" trick that spoils the "fire weapons" trick. The "tank/fire weapons/ecm tricks" work as they were intended. CCP did not intend for Battleships to warp off instantly and to be invulnerable in low sec, therefor its an exploit of game mechanics, the same goes for webbing a freighter so it too gets instant warp. As ccp have said many times, Battleships are not solo ships and should have support. ew
Ordon Gundar Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2008.06.11 08:52:00 - [424] The patch notes say "several expoits have been dealt with and will not happen again". Has anyone tried the cloak / warp trick since the patch? Have they stopped it? Fly fast..Rats Die..Buy Low..Sell High- Ordon Gundar, CEO of Gundars Independent Traders - Space (G.I.T.S)
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.06.11 09:02:00 - [425] Originally by: Ordon Gundar The patch notes say "several expoits have been dealt with and will not happen again". Has anyone tried the cloak / warp trick since the patch? Have they stopped it? Its still working fine. Proly due to the fact its not a exploit but a piloting skill that pirates are complaining about cos they cannot be 100% sure to decloak a ship before it aligns, uncloaks and warps off.
Lilly Gilbrath	Posted - 2008.06.11 09:24:00 - [426] Originally by: Ordon Gundar The patch notes say "several expoits have been dealt with and will not happen again". Has anyone tried the cloak / warp trick since the patch? Have they stopped it? A Skilled Pilot Outsmarting a gatecamp is not an exploit FFS
Ordon Gundar Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2008.06.11 09:44:00 - [427] Originally by: Lilly Gilbrath Originally by: Ordon Gundar The patch notes say "several expoits have been dealt with and will not happen again". Has anyone tried the cloak / warp trick since the patch? Have they stopped it? A Skilled Pilot Outsmarting a gatecamp is not an exploit FFS You need to calm down. If you would like to read the rest of the post above, you will actually see that I am an advocate of the "cloak trick", and do not see it as an exploit. However, with so many Yarrers screaming "waa waa exploit waa waa" I wanted to check that CCP hadnt caved in and changed it.
Grarr Dexx Naval Protection Corp Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.06.11 10:08:00 - [428] This thread has derailed into mindless name-calling. Lecrotta, show your stats and an overview of the ships killed, and stop talking ****. Back your words up with TRUE facts.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2008.06.11 15:34:00 - [429] Originally by: Tregaron Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 23/05/2008 14:43:30 Originally by: Tregaron Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 23/05/2008 14:06:18 So, some players are surviving your gate camp. CCP, this is just unacceptable! i don't mind peeps getting away but everyone using the same tactic is boring. jump----> mwd ----> cloak ----> decloak ----> insta warp As opposed to what? camp gate----> kill----> camp gate some more----> kill some more You don't think that gets boring? Your victims are adapting. Why can't you? well get ccp to give me a mod to stop you cloaking then i'm fine. coz atm there's no way to stop the cloak warp trick unless you place cans around the gate which then ends the target making a petition for you using an exploit. are you a moron? cause at the moment cloaking is the only effective way besides speed to bypass a gatecamp. And that's easy to counter. Your just a lazy bum of a wannabe gate camper. :PPPPP
Koldz Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.06.12 03:17:00 - [430] Just in case it was missed, I thought I would post my personal technique on how to do MWD+Stealth+Instawarp trick, henceforth to be referred to in this post as 'Popping the Clutch'. My hauler alt is flying a Viotar with max navigation skills with agi implants. Standard Nano Fitting on the Viotar. Now.. as said above, you can pop the clutch on anything, biggest I have ever done it on is a Deimos.. but you can do it on a battleship. I would train those Navigation skills and get implants though if you plan on making a living at bootleggin'. Okay: This is MY personal techinique. It hasn't failed me yet, but.. don't message me if it fails you. I got a good connection, good skills and a good ship. Plus, my mom hardly ever comes down to the basement. Okay. You just Jumped into a system. You are Cloaked. You got time. Don't panic. 1) Find your next gate on the overview. Click it. It now will have a reticle around it. 2)Move Your cursor up to the 'Align to' Button on the overview. 3) Without Clicking Your mouse, put your fingers over Your Cloak and MWD hot key. Now press 'Align' to. Me, pesonally, I like to be zoomed in so as soon as I break cloak to align, I am spamming my Cloak Device and MWD. 4) Okay, You recloak, and Your MWD will pulse for a cycle, kicking You up to about 750-800MS, more or less with or without good skills and implants in a Blockade Runner. I give myself a 'one one thousand' and then... 5) Decloak, and Click Warp to 0. That should be an insta warp. Thats how I pop the clutch on Phaster En Yue. Try it in High Sec. If it takes you longer than a three count to align and warp.. you may want to get those skills up a bit. Anyway. Hope this helps/****es you off. Blockade Running IS the only PVP worth anything in this game. Nuff Said. Koldz P.S. While practicing this, I highly recommend the song 'Copperhead Road' by Steve Earl.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:03:00 - [431] Heh, 'Popping the clutch'. Nice ring to it. I like it . Now let's go out there and grief some campers by popping the clutch.
Captain Sedai GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:10:00 - [432] Originally by: Koldz P.S.S lols
Tal Nok DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:15:00 - [433] why is this thread still active? I already won this thread with epic skills of name calling.
Euriti SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:41:00 - [434] Originally by: Tregaron PEOPLE HAVE A COUNTER TO MY****GOTRY, NREF
Koldz Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.06.12 17:23:00 - [435] I for one would kinda like to keep this on the front page of CnP. Its kind of a good discussion. Maybe save one of my brother Runners a ship if they are newer to the hallowed trade of bootleggin and blockade runnin. If you like 'popping the clutch'... hit me up sometime for my 'bootlegger reverse' trick. Its pretty sweet too. Koldz
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.12 17:29:00 - [436] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 12/06/2008 17:45:04 can we get the op to change the title of the thread to "popping the clutch trick"? that would be sweet
oilio State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.12 18:23:00 - [437] Originally by: Koldz Edited by: Koldz on 12/06/2008 07:13:50 Just in case it was missed, I thought I would post my personal technique on how to do MWD+Stealth+Instawarp trick, henceforth to be referred to in this post as 'Popping the Clutch'. You see? THIS is exactly what the OP is complaining about. It is absolutely ridiculous that people in blockade runners with iStabs, cloaking devices, MWD and high skills can just warp away from his gate camp. CCP never intended this for sure. What should happen is that when the blockade runner decloaks, its sig radius should suddenly become larger than a mothership. A loud klaxon sound should alert all the people in the gatecamp, and their weapons should automatically lock and fire. This isn't happening at the moment, and it should be fixed... because it's annoying the OP. We must keep this thread on the front page until CCP do something to help our gate camper. Ideally, the ships will explode the moment they enter the same system as the OP, and an NPC will tractor all the loot over to the OP and teleport it into his cargo hold. Come on guys! Give some love to the poor gatecamper.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.12 18:34:00 - [438] how about a mega tractor beam that automatically tractors back anything that escapes a gategamp? and it can work across entire systems and with unlimited au's. oooh! and it can tractor in carebears from other sides of gates. it just snatches em into the op's gatecamp!
SoleDeo Gloria Mission Runners Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.12 20:51:00 - [439] I wish to thank all those who posted the step by step procedure. I have trained the necessary skills and have practiced for a week - got it down now. This should offset the multitude of ships I already lost to gate camps prior to learning this 'exploit'. I am not sure what everyone is so up in arms about - hit F10 and make sure you have 'ships destroyed in the last hour' selected - does it APPEAR that everyone is now doing this? I still see a large number of BIG YELLOW AND RED BLOBS on the map. My two cents worth - please - keep the change :-) My EVE Online Screen Captures Blog
Koldz Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.06.12 22:03:00 - [440] Well. If it gets changed, it gets changed. You train you train your skills, research the ship you want to fly, and the systems you want to fly it through. then You just.. practice with your friends. Come up with new stuff. I didn't read about the MWD/Cloak trick.. it was just something that naturally happened. Sort of like how I figured out to cycle guns in anticipation of a target. You get hella **ed... but.. you know.. If I was a Gate Camper, I would hella have a friend with a Blockade Runner, I would be spending all my time until I found a strategy to beat it. Thats just me though. In the world.. some matches just are not fair. Take the cobra and mongoose. Cobra is a bad ass snake.. but.. that little rat just tears it to peices every time. Its **** up, but... sometimes you just didn't bring enough guns. Nuff Said. Koldz
DogSlime Wilde Cards	Posted - 2008.06.12 23:33:00 - [441] Originally by: SoleDeo Gloria This should offset the multitude of ships I already lost to gate camps prior to learning this 'exploit'. It isn't an exploit. That's what blockade runners are for. Cloaking devices are for cloaking. The "MWD" part isn't essential. If they make it so you can't burst-run your MWD as you cloak, then ships will still be able to quickly recloak, align, and warp. I can't see them changing blockade runners, and I can't see them changing cloaking devices in any way that stops you from being cloaked. Kinda makes the cloak device useless. Gate camping isn't meant to be easy. Gates aren't meant to be an easy position for getting targets. Some get through the net, some don't. Since lots of people are dying in gatecamps, it demonstrates that gate camping is possible and common. If someone trains and fits for evading gate camps (and bearing in mind that they're still not 100% guaranteed to escape), then where is the problem? ...or is someone gonna say that ships aren't being caught in gatecamps?
SoleDeo Gloria Mission Runners Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.13 00:22:00 - [442] DogSlime, I was being facetious - hence the ' marks :-) regards
DogSlime Wilde Cards	Posted - 2008.06.13 01:00:00 - [443] Originally by: SoleDeo Gloria DogSlime, I was being facetious - hence the ' marks :-) regards My apologies for misunderstanding. I am really tired.
Ukradka Loota Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.15 10:42:00 - [444] It is funny how so many people (or noobs?) mix blocade runners and cloak-mwd-warp trick.. Blocade runners = fast warp. Dedicated ships, hard to catch, but still possible - working as intended. Cloak-mwd-warp trick = instawarp. Used on ANY ship, impossible to catch - working as intended too?? Not really.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.15 12:19:00 - [445] gatecamping not as easy and profitable as it used to be? please ccp. why do you allow this injustice? if this injustice carries on cry rats are going to have to earn their kills! is this what you want? Originally by: Ki An (Nexa's poodle) you are such a complete and utter failure at Eve that you need some successful corp to trow dirt on, hoping to make your name in the process. Pot meets kettle
oilio State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.15 14:33:00 - [446] Originally by: Ukradka Loota Cloak-mwd-warp trick = instawarp. Used on ANY ship, impossible to catch - working as intended too?? Not really. OK then, tell us what was intended. Presumably you mean that what was intended is that a gate camp should be able to catch anything that isn't a blockade runner, yes? Come on! You seem to know what wasn't intended, so tell us what WAS intended?
joshmorris	Posted - 2008.06.15 14:40:00 - [447] Originally by: oilio Originally by: Ukradka Loota Cloak-mwd-warp trick = instawarp. Used on ANY ship, impossible to catch - working as intended too?? Not really. OK then, tell us what was intended. Presumably you mean that what was intended is that a gate camp should be able to catch anything that isn't a blockade runner, yes? Come on! You seem to know what wasn't intended, so tell us what WAS intended? The problem is that you can escape any camp and there is no counter appart from spamming cans 15k away from the gate in a circle but last i heard that was an exploit or somehitng 0.o but seens that thats already ingame its fine and people will just start doing that. ( Hey problem solved just causes huge spam of cans / lag ) Uber idea solves all !!
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.15 15:21:00 - [448] Originally by: joshmorris The problem is that you can escape any camp and there is no counter appart from spamming cans 15k away from the gate in a circle but last i heard that was an exploit or somehitng 0.o but seens that thats already ingame its fine and people will just start doing that. ( Hey problem solved just causes huge spam of cans / lag ) so you think there should be a counter to counter the counter for gatecamps? oh BOO **in HOO! Go earn your kills FFS! stop being lazy for once. cry me a river, cry rat. so you're not killing as much by sitting in your ass camping a gate for hours and you're crying about it. you're hilarious. Welcome to eve, where there's no such thing as a free lunch. don't like it? QUIT! Originally by:** Ki An (Nexa's poodle) you are such a complete and utter failure at Eve that you need some successful corp to trow dirt on, hoping to make your name in the process. Pot meets kettle
oilio State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.15 15:28:00 - [449] Originally by: joshmorris Originally by: oilio Originally by: Ukradka Loota Cloak-mwd-warp trick = instawarp. Used on ANY ship, impossible to catch - working as intended too?? Not really. OK then, tell us what was intended. Presumably you mean that what was intended is that a gate camp should be able to catch anything that isn't a blockade runner, yes? Come on! You seem to know what wasn't intended, so tell us what WAS intended? The problem is that you can escape any camp and there is no counter appart from spamming cans 15k away from the gate in a circle but last i heard that was an exploit or somehitng 0.o but seens that thats already ingame its fine and people will just start doing that. ( Hey problem solved just causes huge spam of cans / lag ) Now, read my post again? See where I ask for you to suggest what WAS intended by CCP? (since there are claims that the "cloak trick" wasn't intended)? See where I asked that? Your reply is that it's a useful tactic to spam jetcans all over the gate (which is forbidden). So, for the stupid, crying, incompetent wannabe-pirates who think gate camps should be easy kills, I will ask again... IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT RECLOAKING AS YOU SET OFF FROM A GATE IS "NOT INTENDED" BY CCP, WHAT EXACTLY IS THE INTENDED MECHANISM? My guess is, you don't know. My guess is that you just want easy kills and you're not happy that some targets escape.
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.15 18:44:00 - [450] Edited by: NightmareX on 15/06/2008 18:46:35 Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: joshmorris The problem is that you can escape any camp and there is no counter appart from spamming cans 15k away from the gate in a circle but last i heard that was an exploit or somehitng 0.o but seens that thats already ingame its fine and people will just start doing that. ( Hey problem solved just causes huge spam of cans / lag ) so you think there should be a counter to counter the counter for gatecamps? oh BOO ****in HOO! Go earn your kills FFS! stop being lazy for once. cry me a river, cry rat. so you're not killing as much by sitting in your ass camping a gate for hours and you're crying about it. you're hilarious. Welcome to eve, where there's no such thing as a free lunch. don't like it? QUIT! Now do me a favour and stop crying you cry noob. You have one VERY good counter to gate camps in low sec and 0.0 space, scout alts. If you don't use them, then you deserve to die. That is the counter you should use. The MWD + Cloak trick is just for the poor noobs who can't be arsed to have an alt to check the route in low sec or 0.0 space, like you Matrix Skye. END OF STORY.
Avaricia The Accursed	Posted - 2008.06.15 19:13:00 - [451] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 15/06/2008 18:59:21 Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: joshmorris The problem is that you can escape any camp and there is no counter appart from spamming cans 15k away from the gate in a circle but last i heard that was an exploit or somehitng 0.o but seens that thats already ingame its fine and people will just start doing that. ( Hey problem solved just causes huge spam of cans / lag ) so you think there should be a counter to counter the counter for gatecamps? oh BOO ****in HOO! Go earn your kills FFS! stop being lazy for once. cry me a river, cry rat. so you're not killing as much by sitting in your ass camping a gate for hours and you're crying about it. you're hilarious. Welcome to eve, where there's no such thing as a free lunch. don't like it? QUIT! Now do me a favour and stop crying you cry noobie. You have one VERY good counter to gate camps in low sec and 0.0 space, scout alts. If you don't use them, then you deserve to die. That is the counter you should use. The MWD + Cloak trick is just for the poor noobs who can't be arsed to have an alt to check the route in low sec or 0.0 space, like you Matrix Skye. END OF STORY. rofl. did you even read what you just posted? anyway, as a career pirate, i see nothing wrong with the slim majority of targets using a perfectly valid technique to evade death. i'd rather have a chance at them mucking it up and getting caught than never having a chance in the first place and deal with dozens of noobships cluttering up local. reign of terror griefmatic
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.15 20:15:00 - [452] Originally by: NightmareX Now do me a favour and stop crying you cry noobie. You have one VERY good counter to gate camps in low sec and 0.0 space, scout alts. If you don't use them, then you deserve to die. That is the counter you should use. The MWD + Cloak trick is just for the poor noobs who can't be arsed to have an alt to check the route in low sec or 0.0 space, like you Matrix Skye. END OF STORY. crying? me? are you kidding? i'm using this technique and couldn't be happier there's finally a REAL counter to gatecamps, rather than logging out my main to log in my alt and scout every bottleneck system. how about you? are you done crying yet? your tears are deeelicious the more you cry the better. get some more cry rats to shed tears in this thread will ya plz? Originally by: Ki An (Nexa's poodle) you are such a complete and utter failure at Eve that you need some successful corp to trow dirt on, hoping to make your name in the process. Pot meets kettle
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.15 21:17:00 - [453] Edited by: NightmareX on 15/06/2008 21:20:30 Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: NightmareX Now do me a favour and stop crying you cry noobie. You have one VERY good counter to gate camps in low sec and 0.0 space, scout alts. If you don't use them, then you deserve to die. That is the counter you should use. The MWD + Cloak trick is just for the poor noobs who can't be arsed to have an alt to check the route in low sec or 0.0 space, like you Matrix Skye. END OF STORY. crying? me? are you kidding? i'm using this technique and couldn't be happier there's finally a REAL counter to gatecamps, rather than logging out my main to log in my alt and scout every bottleneck system. how about you? are you done crying yet? your tears are deeelicious the more you cry the better. get some more cry rats to shed tears in this thread will ya plz? Haha, yes you are crying like a bad mofo. Now, what are you gonna do when CCP i going to fix this cheat? (Yes i know CCP that good that i know they will fix this soonÖ), you might just pack your stuffs and give me all of your stuffs and leave this game, because you can't go anywhere without be able to cheat. Everyone that use this cheat will NEVER get the status as a PVPer. Oh btw, everytime you say cry rat i will say cry noobcake to you from now on. I rather be a cry rat over a cry noobcake anyways. Now wanna call me a cry rat?
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.15 21:34:00 - [454] Originally by: NightmareX Haha, yes you are crying like a bad mofo. I'm crying like a 'bad mofo'? If I'm a bad mofo then why would I be crying? Isn't that an oxymoron? Originally by: NightmareX Now, what are you gonna do when CCP i going to fix this cheat? When CCP "i fix" this cheat? I don't know. What should I do when CCP "i fix" this cheat? Originally by: NightmareX (Yes i know CCP that good that i know they will fix this soonÖ) Yes, if you keep crying like a baby cry rat I'm sure they will :D... But what if they don't? Will you cry us some more? Originally by: NightmareX you might just pack your stuffs and give me all of your stuffs and leave this game, because you can't go anywhere without be able to cheat. I won't pack "my stuffs and give you my stuffs" because I happen to like it here. I happen to <3 torturing cry babies like you in the forums . I happen to <3 making fun of you and griefing you. If not with this I'll find something else. But make no mistake, you are a fun target to grief in this game. Why would I want to give this up? Originally by: NightmareX Everyone that use this cheat will NEVER get the status as a PVPer. I'm not interested in being a PVPer. I'm interested having you whine, cry, and *** . Originally by:** NightmareX Oh btw, everytime you say cry rat i will say cry noobcake to you from now on. Now wanna call me a cry rat? I'll be a noobcake if you'll be a cry rat. Deal? Originally by: Ki An (Nexa's poodle) you are such a complete and utter failure at Eve that you need some successful corp to trow dirt on, hoping to make your name in the process. Pot meets kettle
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.15 21:59:00 - [455] Edited by: NightmareX on 15/06/2008 22:02:53 Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: NightmareX Haha, yes you are crying like a bad mofo. I'm crying like a 'bad mofo'? If I'm a bad mofo then why would I be crying? Isn't that an oxymoron? You don't seem to know what a mofo is noobcake. Originally by: NightmareX Now, what are you gonna do when CCP i going to fix this cheat? When CCP "i fix" this cheat? I don't know. What should I do when CCP "i fix" this cheat? Yes, they will fix this cheat in the same way as they fixed the lofty trick. The lofty trick was NEVER an exploit, but it still got fixed. Originally by: NightmareX (Yes i know CCP that good that i know they will fix this soonÖ) Yes, if you keep crying like a baby cry rat I'm sure they will :D... But what if they don't? Will you cry us some more? Huh, i don't need to cry on the EVE forum to get it fixed, because CCP already knows about it and will soonÖ fix it. Originally by: NightmareX you might just pack your stuffs and give me all of your stuffs and leave this game, because you can't go anywhere without be able to cheat. I won't pack "my stuffs and give you my stuffs" because I happen to like it here. I happen to <3 torturing cry babies like you in the forums . I happen to <3 making fun of you and griefing you. If not with this I'll find something else. But make no mistake, you are a fun target to grief in this game. Why would I want to give this up? You torturing / griefing and making fun of me on the EVE forum? uh LOLS? are you being stupid or what?. Don't make me laugh my ass off. Originally by: NightmareX Everyone that use this cheat will NEVER get the status as a PVPer. I'm not interested in being a PVPer. I'm interested having you whine, cry, and *** . Exactly, your a crying noobcake who loves to have the status as a carebear (CAREBEAR, CAREBEAR all over the places). But then, your just an alt who don't have the ball to post with your main. Originally by:** NightmareX Oh btw, everytime you say cry rat i will say cry noobcake to you from now on. Now wanna call me a cry rat? I'll be a noobcake if you'll be a cry rat. Deal? Do you even know what a cry rat is?, it's something that YOU have found out to say on this forum. No one else have used that before. So yeah, i rather be called cry rat over a cry noobcake as long we don't know what a cry rat is.
Boknamar The Knights Trevor	Posted - 2008.06.15 22:28:00 - [456] Originally by: NightmareX Haha, yes you are crying like a bad mofo. Now, what are you gonna do when CCP i going to fix this cheat? (Yes i know CCP that good that i know they will fix this soonÖ), you might just pack your stuffs and give me all of your stuffs and leave this game, because you can't go anywhere without be able to cheat. Everyone that use this cheat will NEVER get the status as a PVPer. Oh btw, everytime you say cry rat i will say cry noobcake to you from now on. I rather be a cry rat over a cry noobcake anyways. Now wanna call me a cry rat? If English is not your first language, then the readability of this post is perfectly understandable, however the logical fallacies are much deeper than the linguistic errors, and the only excuse for them is the inability or unwillingness to exercise critical thinking.
oilio State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.15 22:33:00 - [457] Originally by: NightmareX Or do you really want me to make a 'Why MWD + Cloak trick is bad for EVE' topic in GD section like i did with the BACON topic?, and like you saw there, i was right all the way. Do it! Make a thread that claims that cloaking + MWD is an exploit like using a third party application to analyse the logfile and warn players of incoming hostiles. They'll laugh you off the forums. Cloaking as you align to warp from a gate (with or without MWD) is NOT the same as BACON. It's not even remotely similar. Anyway, you've threatened to do it, so I challenge you to do so. Make a post on the Game Development forum and quote BACON as a precedent. Set the game straight, nightmare! You know you want to.
Boknamar The Knights Trevor	Posted - 2008.06.15 22:58:00 - [458] Originally by: oilio Originally by: NightmareX Or do you really want me to make a 'Why MWD + Cloak trick is bad for EVE' topic in GD section like i did with the BACON topic?, and like you saw there, i was right all the way. Do it! Make a thread that claims that cloaking + MWD is an exploit like using a third party application to analyse the logfile and warn players of incoming hostiles. They'll laugh you off the forums. Cloaking as you align to warp from a gate (with or without MWD) is NOT the same as BACON. It's not even remotely similar. Anyway, you've threatened to do it, so I challenge you to do so. Make a post on the Game Development forum and quote BACON as a precedent. Set the game straight, nightmare! You know you want to. Damnit, soon CCP is going to put a stop to my cheating, and I'll have no choice but to cry into my pillow for 3 days and then quit EVE because I'm unable to adapt to change. And all because this visionary genius is finally going to start a thread that will singlehandedly pull the wool from the eyes of CCP and the playerbase.
White Ronin Screenout	Posted - 2008.06.16 00:25:00 - [459] Originally by: oilio You see? THIS is exactly what the OP is complaining about. It is absolutely ridiculous that people in blockade runners with iStabs, cloaking devices, MWD and high skills can just warp away from his gate camp. CCP never intended this for sure. What should happen is that when the blockade runner decloaks, its sig radius should suddenly become larger than a mothership. A loud klaxon sound should alert all the people in the gatecamp, and their weapons should automatically lock and fire. This isn't happening at the moment, and it should be fixed... because it's annoying the OP. We must keep this thread on the front page until CCP do something to help our gate camper. Ideally, the ships will explode the moment they enter the same system as the OP, and an NPC will tractor all the loot over to the OP and teleport it into his cargo hold. Come on guys! Give some love to the poor gatecamper. Bacon is a third party program that interacts with Eve in a "nonapproved" fashion and is henceforth removed. ALL third party programs not kept to yourself or not part of a large subscription block are not approved for use. Turn them off now. Thank you.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.16 00:34:00 - [460] Originally by: White Ronin Bacon is a third party program that interacts with Eve in a "nonapproved" fashion and is henceforth removed. ALL third party programs not kept to yourself or not part of a large subscription block are not approved for use. Turn them off now. Thank you. you missed the sarcasm tags on his post. Originally by: Ki An (Nexa's poodle) you are such a complete and utter failure at Eve that you need some successful corp to trow dirt on, hoping to make your name in the process. Pot meets kettle
Euriti SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.06.16 08:50:00 - [461] All i read is: MY LAMECAMP DIDN'T WORK NERF. Stop lamecamping.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.16 11:40:00 - [462] Originally by: NightmareX Do you even know what a cry rat is? yes. YOU are a cryrat. you think you're a badass pirate but you're not. you're just a sore loser and a cry baby that runs to the forums any chance you get to insult players. and you run to the forums again crying whenever someone takes back the pop you stole like that stupid fat kid that thinks he's a bully in the play yard. you're here crying because your "i'll sit in my a$$ and kill anything that spawns next to me" doesn't work 100% of the time. cry some more, you baby. i want everyone to see your tears in this thread . tell us how it is unfair to use cloak+mwd. tell us how we're lazy and lame . tell us how this is breaking (YOUR) game mechanics! i want to hear your pain! Originally by: Ki An (Nexa's poodle) you are such a complete and utter failure at Eve that you need some successful corp to trow dirt on, hoping to make your name in the process. Pot meets kettle
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.16 12:13:00 - [463] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: NightmareX Do you even know what a cry rat is? yes. YOU are a cryrat. you think you're a badass pirate but you're not. you're just a sore loser and a cry baby that runs to the forums any chance you get to insult players. and you run to the forums again crying whenever someone takes back the pop you stole like that stupid fat kid that thinks he's a bully in the play yard. you're here crying because your "i'll sit in my a$$ and kill anything that spawns next to me" doesn't work 100% of the time. cry some more, you baby. i want everyone to see your tears in this thread . tell us how it is unfair to use cloak+mwd. tell us how we're lazy and lame . tell us how this is breaking (YOUR) game mechanics! i want to hear your pain! You still are a cry noobcake for not telling what a cry rat IS. Please fail more by just telling boohoo your just a cry rat as an explanation for what a cry rat is. Wanna tell me what a cry rat is?, or are you still gonna fail more?
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.16 12:51:00 - [464] Definition of a cryrat. Originally by: Ki An (Nexa's poodle) you are such a complete and utter failure at Eve that you need some successful corp to trow dirt on, hoping to make your name in the process. Pot meets kettle
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:06:00 - [465] Originally by: Matrix Skye Definition of a cryrat. LOL, you still fail to explain.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:21:00 - [466] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Matrix Skye Definition of a cryrat. LOL, you still fail to explain. this would make a great sig. unfortunately i'm in the process of griefing poodle boy below . but i will save this one for later . Originally by: Ki An (Nexa's poodle) you are such a complete and utter failure at Eve that you need some successful corp to trow dirt on, hoping to make your name in the process. Pot meets kettle
Demitria Fernir Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:25:00 - [467] thread degenerated, amiright? warp-cloak trick is fine, nerf brain. 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101001 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101001
Dariah Stardweller	Posted - 2008.06.16 18:49:00 - [468] Originally by: Koldz Edited by: Koldz on 12/06/2008 07:13:50 Just in case it was missed, I thought I would post my personal technique on how to do MWD+Stealth+Instawarp trick, henceforth to be referred to in this post as 'Popping the Clutch'. My hauler alt is flying a Viotar with max navigation skills with agi implants. Standard Nano Fitting on the Viotar. Now.. as said above, you can pop the clutch on anything, biggest I have ever done it on is a Deimos.. but you can do it on a battleship. I would train those Navigation skills and get implants though if you plan on making a living at bootleggin'. Okay: This is MY personal techinique. It hasn't failed me yet, but.. don't message me if it fails you. I got a good connection, good skills and a good ship. Plus, my mom hardly ever comes down to the basement. Okay. You just Jumped into a system. You are Cloaked. You got time. Don't panic. 1) Find your next gate on the overview. Click it. It now will have a reticle around it. 2)Move Your cursor up to the 'Align to' Button on the overview. 3) Without Clicking Your mouse, put your fingers over Your Cloak and MWD hot key. Now press 'Align' to. Soon as You turn, Press the CLOAKING DEVICE hot key, and then the Microwarp Drive. Me, pesonally, I like to be zoomed in so as soon as I break cloak to align, I am spamming my Cloak Device and MWD. 4) Okay, You recloak, and Your MWD will pulse for a cycle, kicking You up to about 750-800MS, more or less with or without good skills and implants in a Blockade Runner. I give myself a 'one one thousand' and then... 5) Decloak, and Click Warp to 0 on the overhead (remember we clicked the next gate on the route). That should be an insta warp. Ok, how can this be an exploit one has to wonder? Still looks to me this needs quite some practice and leaves quite some room for goofing up.
Koldz Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.06.17 00:26:00 - [469] Personally, I don't think it is an exploit. It does require some practice. I wouldn't say.. more than an hour, and You can practice it while on the move in High Sec. You want to train your skills up. I have not tried it with low skills. For my Blockade Runner I have an align of like, 2.6 seconds. Thats.. going to be rough to beat. :p If I was a little more bored, I would load EFT and give you stats on Battleships. Suffice to say, it can be messed up, but... if You at least do the basics, it should increase your survivability dramatically.
Hurtado Soneka	Posted - 2008.06.17 01:03:00 - [470] Thanks for to the OP, so do you engage the mwd as soon as you come out of jump and instantly follow by hitting cloak? More details please ^^
Koldz Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.06.17 02:17:00 - [471] Go back a few pages and find my first post (or look at the quote two or three posts above) I list in detail how to do it.
Dariah Stardweller	Posted - 2008.06.17 07:16:00 - [472] Originally by: Koldz Suffice to say, it can be messed up, but... if You at least do the basics, it should increase your survivability dramatically. I can see that, but that's how it should be me thinks. There should be ways to avoid things like gatecamps. The risk for the campers are so low that their chance of catching anything juicy should reflect that.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.17 13:14:00 - [473] this technique isnt 100% effective as i was caught at a gatecamp last night while trying it. still gives a better chance of survival though Originally by: Ki An (Nexa's poodle) you are such a complete and utter failure at Eve that you need some successful corp to trow dirt on, hoping to make your name in the process. Pot meets kettle
Everyone Dies	Posted - 2008.06.17 18:19:00 - [474] Originally by: Matrix Skye this technique isnt 100% effective as i was caught at a gatecamp last night while trying it. still gives a better chance of survival though You must be doing it wrong because everyone who uses it in camps i've been in have escaped
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.17 18:59:00 - [475] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 17/06/2008 19:00:40 no im sure i did it right. inty uncloaked and bumped me while my bs aligned . never gained enough speed to warp anyway. seems campers are catching on still helps if no inty in camp though. Originally by: Ki An (Nexa's poodle) you are such a complete and utter failure at Eve that you need some successful corp to trow dirt on, hoping to make your name in the process. Pot meets kettle
Skeenee Al'Ramed War Dawgs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.18 09:52:00 - [476] Okay, I usually do not post, But I had to post on this thread since this trick is completely stupid. There really isn't any effective way to counter to it. Yeah, u might wanna try to decloak the mwd/cloaker with drones, but have to do so in less than .5 sec ... Ridiculous! Pirates and low sec got shafted bad enough as it is, this is just too much. Bah, for each cloaker/mwder that goes though, I'll go kill an innocent in high sec I guess:) And the fix is so easy! Don' t allow cloak to be activated when mwd is on, fixed!
Terranid Meester Tactical Assault and Recon Unit	Posted - 2008.06.18 12:48:00 - [477] Leave shuttles/drones where you think they might uncloak?
Ordon Gundar Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2008.06.18 14:27:00 - [478] Originally by: Skeenee Al'Ramed Okay, I usually do not post, But I had to post on this thread since this trick is completely stupid. There really isn't any effective way to counter to it. Yeah, u might wanna try to decloak the mwd/cloaker with drones, but have to do so in less than .5 sec ... Ridiculous! Pirates and low sec got shafted bad enough as it is, this is just too much. Bah, for each cloaker/mwder that goes though, I'll go kill an innocent in high sec I guess:) And the fix is so easy! Don' t allow cloak to be activated when mwd is on, fixed! Cry much? Fly fast..Rats Die..Buy Low..Sell High- Ordon Gundar, CEO of Gundars Independent Traders - Space (G.I.T.S)
Battle Dog Vitai Lampada	Posted - 2008.06.19 00:46:00 - [479] Originally by: Tal Nok Edited by: Tal Nok on 23/05/2008 14:20:35 The only way to beat this is using an interceptor pilot who knows how to ram cloaked ships. Even then, you only got about 4 seconds. Things that can beat this not in your control: Stupidity Lag De-Synch Deity of some sort Other ways have been deemed exploits so they will not be mentioned. These days this is old news. Complained about this a year ago. Scan res thing? Unless the items I posted above which are out of your control, 3400 scan res aint gonna help you. edit: i before e... By the above u mean be stopped, click approach and hit MWD and dont be a nub and hit the gate
Nexus Kinnon Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.06.19 01:32:00 - [480] Originally by: Battle Dog Originally by: Tal Nok Edited by: Tal Nok on 23/05/2008 14:20:35 The only way to beat this is using an interceptor pilot who knows how to ram cloaked ships. Even then, you only got about 4 seconds. Things that can beat this not in your control: Stupidity Lag De-Synch Deity of some sort Other ways have been deemed exploits so they will not be mentioned. These days this is old news. Complained about this a year ago. Scan res thing? Unless the items I posted above which are out of your control, 3400 scan res aint gonna help you. edit: i before e... By the above u mean be stopped, click approach and hit MWD and dont be a nub and hit the gate you stop approaching it when it cloaks yo.
Smackles	Posted - 2008.06.19 01:53:00 - [481] Originally by: Skeenee Al'Ramed Okay, I usually do not post, But I had to post on this thread since this trick is completely stupid. There really isn't any effective way to counter to it. Yeah, u might wanna try to decloak the mwd/cloaker with drones, but have to do so in less than .5 sec ... Ridiculous! Pirates and low sec got shafted bad enough as it is, this is just too much. Bah, for each cloaker/mwder that goes though, I'll go kill an innocent in high sec I guess:) And the fix is so easy! Don' t allow cloak to be activated when mwd is on, fixed! Go ahead, do it. Yeah you won't because you're a gutless cry baby. You want to be spoon fed kills to make you feel better about sucking.
Koldz Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.06.19 04:16:00 - [482] I am cool with them changing this mechanic. To be honest. The only PVP I really regard as.. worthwhile is Blockade Running. But to each his own. However, if we were going for a realism.. point of view... It is low sec space. But any 'Faction' with the ability to put big jump gates at a choke point.. would also put the biggest guns in the universe to make sure people behaved. I mean.. I am talking BIG. Think of it this way. All of us pilots... were are basically civilians who at best are given liscence to go about armed, and privateer or whatever. But... the powers that be get PAID for the use of those Jump Gates. And.. when You mess with somethings money like that, you see a change pretty quick. I ono This is just my two cents. Koldz
Vincenzo Delloro Lux et Veritas	Posted - 2008.06.19 09:54:00 - [483] Originally by: Everyone Dies Originally by: Matrix Skye this technique isnt 100% effective as i was caught at a gatecamp last night while trying it. still gives a better chance of survival though You must be doing it wrong because everyone who uses it in camps i've been in have escaped You might want to petition for a name change, then.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.19 11:28:00 - [484] Edited by: Le Skunk on 19/06/2008 11:30:16 Originally by: Koldz I am cool with them changing this mechanic. To be honest. The only PVP I really regard as.. worthwhile is Blockade Running. But to each his own. However, if we were going for a realism.. point of view... It is low sec space. But any 'Faction' with the ability to put big jump gates at a choke point.. would also put the biggest guns in the universe to make sure people behaved. I mean.. I am talking BIG. Think of it this way. All of us pilots... were are basically civil ians who at best are given liscence to go about armed, and privateer or whatever. But... the powers that be get PAID for the use of those Jump Gates. And.. when You mess with somethings money like that, you see a change pretty quick. I ono This is just my two cents. Koldz Well, although its pretty annoying and theres some minor grumbling, it has been argued that this is what the ship was diesgned for... running blockades. When one of the slowest ships in the game does it however, its a different matter. This thread cam up a while back when i could be bothered to argue in it. All the 'pirates' who told me it could easily be countered "use remote sensor boost stupid" "use bumper ship silly" I noted, and took my alt in a DOMINIX (mmm speedy ship) down to their areas and ran some of the most pro low sec camps in the game with no problems. When you have a combat fit lumbering dominix flying at will through 12 man, remote sensor boosted hic and inty bump ship prepared gate camps, then something is unbalanced.. this is self evident, and "wahh wahh cry rat" rants aside, any reasonable person would agree. In fact, for my own amusement, I popped up to the faction warfare regions, and have been soloing up there using the cloak mwd technique. My intention was to ram the exploit into the face of all the bears who have been defending it. I think as people have it used against them, they realise what an exploit it is. I encourage people to petition me in local as I do it - with the hoping that CCP might get fed up with petition 100001. The fact of the matter is there is actually no reason for any ship to EVER get tackled at all in low sec. The more people abuse this in the faction warfare areas, the more a wide variety of players will be getting **ed off it with... the likeley CCP are to break their chronic lack of inertia and do something. SIMPLE SOLUTION: Remove the HIC infinity point (who asked for this btw ccp), make stabs worthwhile again, dont let the cloak activate if mwd is on** SKUNK
TacticalOfficer Gibbs	Posted - 2008.06.19 11:59:00 - [485] Wow, this thread highlights who the real carebears are, An who really has the reading comprehension, MWDs cant be activated with the Cloak on you hit the MWD button followed by the cloak, then the MWD turns off as the cloak is activated. so before you comment do some research into how a cloak works. You cant even reload weapons with a cloak on. (hello its been stated very early on in this thread, reading comprehension anyone?) it actually takes a bit of PLAYER skill to do this trick, you rely heavily on the fact that the Micro warp drives cycle time lasts long enough for you to clear the warp bubble. unlike the gate campers, who rely heavily on the IWIN of a warp bubble, plus ship ramming to bump someone out of gate range. Again, i see the Gate camping (i want easy kills) PVP'ers (lol) complaining about not getting their fix. and trying to force people into their play style. I find it effing amusing how now there is a viable tactic to get through a lame gate camp, that the IWIN crowd have to come on here and start whining about it, if you used your brain, how about setting up two warp bubbles? one out side the other? or would that put you too far out from the safety of the gate where you can jump if things get "shock" harder for you? Or how about trying to use a warp bubble for what would be a better tactic and setting it up between gates in the middle of no where so people drop out of warp nowhere near a gate? I'm sure that's what CCP had in mind, rather than a blob sitting at a gate waiting for easy targets. then the moment it gets a bit too tough for them, jumping back through the gate they were camping because the easy kill just turned into a real fight. So to all the gate campers that fail to deal with the MWD + Cloak Trick, crymore carebears and learn to adapt.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.19 13:24:00 - [486] Edited by: Le Skunk on 19/06/2008 13:25:57 Edited by: Le Skunk on 19/06/2008 13:24:31 Originally by: TacticalOfficer Gibbs .... warp bubble ..... Lowsec = no warp bubble Originally by: TacticalOfficer Gibbs Or how about trying to use a warp bubble for what would be a better tactic and setting it up between gates in the middle of no where so people drop out of warp nowhere near a gate? I'm sure that's what CCP had in mind Assuming you mean 0.0 - Dosent work mid warp NEXT! SKUNK
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.06.19 13:58:00 - [487] Originally by: TacticalOfficer Gibbs MWDs cant be activated with the Cloak on you hit the MWD button followed by the cloak, then the MWD turns off as the cloak is activated. so before you comment do some research into how a cloak works. Big words for someone who hasn't actually tested stuff
Xzar Fyrarr Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.19 14:17:00 - [488] Nerf Warp Cloak Trick Boost Forum Thread
TacticalOfficer Gibbs	Posted - 2008.06.19 16:31:00 - [489] Originally by: Tzar'rim Originally by: TacticalOfficer Gibbs MWDs cant be activated with the Cloak on you hit the MWD button followed by the cloak, then the MWD turns off as the cloak is activated. so before you comment do some research into how a cloak works. Big words for someone who hasn't actually tested stuff wonder how long ago that video was uploaded, you might want to try it, an get the same message as i did "you cannot activate this module as the interference from your cloak is preventing it" Either that or that person is suffering serious lag, notice how the WMD turns off after one cycle?
TacticalOfficer Gibbs	Posted - 2008.06.19 16:35:00 - [490] Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 19/06/2008 13:25:57 Edited by: Le Skunk on 19/06/2008 13:24:31 Originally by: TacticalOfficer Gibbs .... warp bubble ..... Lowsec = no warp bubble Originally by: TacticalOfficer Gibbs Or how about trying to use a warp bubble for what would be a better tactic and setting it up between gates in the middle of no where so people drop out of warp nowhere near a gate? I'm sure that's what CCP had in mind Assuming you mean 0.0 - Dosent work mid warp NEXT! SKUNK Have you tried it? (i haven't) but would be interested to know if you can actually back up that claim, got fraps? would like to prove it? go for it, I'm open minded enough.
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.06.19 17:14:00 - [491] Originally by: TacticalOfficer Gibbs Originally by: Tzar'rim Originally by: TacticalOfficer Gibbs MWDs cant be activated with the Cloak on you hit the MWD button followed by the cloak, then the MWD turns off as the cloak is activated. so before you comment do some research into how a cloak works. Big words for someone who hasn't actually tested stuff wonder how long ago that video was uploaded, you might want to try it, an get the same message as i did "you cannot activate this module as the interference from your cloak is preventing it" Either that or that person is suffering serious lag, notice how the WMD turns off after one cycle? I don't lag, I have 2 different accounts with pilots who can fly covert ops , I have been using this since ages (my former main was a covops specialist) and OFCOURSE the MWD turns off after one cycle. Again, you can hit your MWD AFTER you activated your cloak, for a number of seconds. Just for you, with the new Helios. Also, here's an earlier discussion on it.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.19 18:03:00 - [492] Edited by: Le Skunk on 19/06/2008 18:03:56 Originally by: TacticalOfficer Gibbs Yes i know a warp bubble doesn't work in lowsec. but isn't that one of the main reasons people are doing the cloak + MWD tactic? or did you just skip half of the thread. People are using it in low sec to be untacklable. I fly my LUMBERING GREAT BIG battleship around low sec, and interceptors cannot tackle me I am fully combat fit, I can fly where i want through pro gatecamps and they cannot stop me. This is patently unbalanced. Battleships are not supposed to insta warp thought gatecamps like a frigate. CCP should just go the whole hog and institute a pvp flag in low sec /pvpflag off SKUNK
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.19 19:15:00 - [493] Originally by: Le Skunk This is patently unbalanced. Battleships are not supposed to insta warp thought gatecamps like a frigate. CCP should just go the whole hog and institute a pvp flag in low sec /pvpflag off SKUNK cryrat tears make for some of the most exquisite drinks on eve Originally by: Ki An (Nexa's poodle) you are such a complete and utter failure at Eve that you need some successful corp to trow dirt on, hoping to make your name in the process. Pot meets kettle
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.19 19:44:00 - [494] Edited by: NightmareX on 19/06/2008 19:45:38 Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Le Skunk This is patently unbalanced. Battleships are not supposed to insta warp thought gatecamps like a frigate. CCP should just go the whole hog and institute a pvp flag in low sec /pvpflag off SKUNK cryrat tears make for some of the most exquisite drinks on eve Says the biggest cry noobcake on this forum. You still don't want to tell me what a cry rat is?, also what the purpose of a cry rat is? If you don't tell me that in your next reply, then you utterly sucks big time and then you don't even know what a cry rat is your self.
Koldz Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.06.19 20:02:00 - [495] I am not going to post my numbers. But.. I was playing in EFT.. and I fitted an interceptor out... and between getting remote boosted and adding a sensor boost.... I was having NO issues getting points on.. anything I tried it on. Maybe its time to let those skills cook a bit. Thats not a flame. I realize its ****ing people off. But.. maybe.. just give it a thought, break out EFT, and try to get some numbers in. I would be down to hook you up in game. Just drop me a line. I wouldn't go out on a patrol without a godly point man who was a fast ass quick shot. And I wouldn't sit on a gate camp in EVE without a fast ass locker in an interceptor. Koldz PS. Still think you have the most godly pvp name ever, Skunk Skunk.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.19 20:25:00 - [496] Originally by: NightmareX Says the biggest cry noobcake on this forum. You still don't want to tell me what a cry rat is?, also what the purpose of a cry rat is? If you don't tell me that in your next reply, then you utterly sucks big time and then you don't even know what a cry rat is your self. See my sig. Oh, and welcome to my sig, cryrat . Matrix Skye: You think you're a badass pirate but you're not. You're just a sore loser and a cry baby. A cryrat :). NightmareX: LOL, you still fail to explain. Swoosh!
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.19 20:32:00 - [497] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: NightmareX Says the biggest cry noobcake on this forum. You still don't want to tell me what a cry rat is?, also what the purpose of a cry rat is? If you don't tell me that in your next reply, then you utterly sucks big time and then you don't even know what a cry rat is your self. See my sig. Oh, and welcome to my sig, cryrat . Thank you for proving that you fail
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.19 20:40:00 - [498] Originally by: NightmareX Thank you for proving that you fail Again, SWOOSH! Matrix Skye: You think you're a badass pirate but you're not. You're just a sore loser and a cry baby. A cryrat :). NightmareX: LOL, you still fail to explain. Swoosh!
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 00:57:00 - [499] Edited by: Le Skunk on 20/06/2008 00:58:43 Originally by: Koldz I am not going to post my numbers. But.. I was playing in EFT.. and I fitted an interceptor out... and between getting remote boosted and adding a sensor boost.... I was having NO issues getting points on.. anything I tried it on. Maybe its time to let those skills cook a bit. Thats not a flame. I realize its **ing people off. But.. maybe.. just give it a thought, break out EFT, and try to get some numbers in. I would be down to hook you up in game. Just drop me a line. I wouldn't go out on a patrol without a godly point man who was a fast ass quick shot. And I wouldn't sit on a gate camp in EVE without a fast ass locker in an interceptor. Koldz PS. Still think you have the most godly pvp name ever, Skunk Skunk. LOL, why thank ye very much And its been tested with an inty with over 6k scan res (i forget exact figure). It is impossible** to lock someone performing this correctly. If there was a way to combat this, we would have done it. This is the 7th or 8th thread someone has posted and each thread has about 15 people all posintg use a sensor boosted inty to get a lock on. Done this with 6k+ interceptor. Dosent work Drop cans to uncloak the target Exploit - Bannable Use an inty to uncloak the target As soon as he cloaks your inty insta decelerates and has to be manualy sped up. By the time youve done this he has warped. This has been tested with a 26km per second ares. CCP dont care, wont fix it, so these threads are pointless. Ive become resigned to how incompetent and uncarring ccp are. Ive run my alt though the camps of anyone whos suggested they can stop it. Ive run my alt though 100 man gate camps in faction warfare. Baring a fluke can uncloak/lag/big fat finger syndrome (which occasionally happens ofc) you are not tacklable in low sec. SKUNK
Space Wanderer	Posted - 2008.06.20 09:51:00 - [500] People here are deliberately exaggerating the efficacy of the trick. It gives you a high chance of survival in low sec camps, yes. It is impossible to counter, no. Difficult, yes, impossible no. I have been decloaked and locked by inties a few times before the mwd cycle ended, on a perfect execution on my side. The mwd cycle lasts 10 secs or more. That means that if you can uncloak people in 5 secs (a 6km/sec inty covers 30 Km in 5 secs, and a properly fitted inty accelerates faster than a shuttle), that leaves you 5 secs to lock and scram a ship with 5X signature (almost any ship will do it). Saying it's impossible is an overstatement, and it only denounces unwillingness to learn and take up challenges. Certainly it takes skill from the interceptor pilot, which does not have to rely on "approach to", but has to be fast on manually piloting his ship (as observed, inty decelerates as soon as cloaker cloaks). You know, player skill. And of course it has its share of failures. Still, it's not impossible. Moreover, the "fixes" suggested in this thread would destroy any kind of balance about cloaks. With the one exception of what has been stated that it is possible to hit _first_ cloak and after mwd. I tested it recently on my own, because a long time ago it was not possible to do that. Now it is. THAT is a bug that should be corrected. Any other of the suggestions in this thread would completely unbalance the cloak II, making it basically worthless compared to the much cheaper prototype. I have been in favor of many changes in favor to pvpers, including the introduction of HICs, but I really wish people asking for "easy fixes" would take a larger view before starting complaining. For example they don't realize that if the cloak+warp gets nerfed, everybody going in lowsec will just adapt starting using recons. At least the cloak+mwd is not invincible, and the guy using it may make mistakes. I guess you people prefer trying to catch a force recon?
arbalesttom Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.20 09:58:00 - [501] Originally by: Le Skunk Use an inty to uncloak the target As soon as he cloaks your inty insta decelerates and has to be manualy sped up. By the time youve done this he has warped. This has been tested with a 26km per second ares. Try harder next time, completely bull** the target warped before your inty pilot should be at the place he cloaked. The mwd is on for 10 seconds, and your telling me a 26km/s inty cant do a max distance of 30km within those 10 seconds? Lawls Sig Originally by:** Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 10:58:00 - [502] Originally by: Space Wanderer I have been in favor of many changes in favor to pvpers, including the introduction of HICs, but I really wish people asking for "easy fixes" would take a larger view before starting complaining. For example they don't realize that if the cloak+warp gets nerfed, everybody going in lowsec will just adapt starting using recons. At least the cloak+mwd is not invincible, and the guy using it may make mistakes. I guess you people prefer trying to catch a force recon? You show a complete lack of understanding here. Force recons are DESIGNED to be able to operate behind enemy lines, to breeze through gate camps, to warp cloaked. This is their role. If somebody breezes through my camp in a force recon then good on him. The ships advantages in ease of travel are countered by its low dps, crabby tank etc. Likewise if a blockade runner gets through, im not to bothered. This is the role of the ship. Its agility is countered by its lack of cargo, no dps, no tank. A COMBAT FIT BATTLESHIP - IS NOT DESIGNED AND WAS NEVER INTENDED TO FLY AT WILL THOUGH A CAMP Its one of the most lumbering slow ass ships in the game, it can pump out massive damage, and has one of the best tanks in the game. You wish people would take a look at the larger view? I have taken a look at the larger view. If everybody in the game does this (as i encourage them to) then you have a game where nobody can be tackled in low sec. A PVP flag in lowsec. Which isnt what eve is about. Is it? SKUNK
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:03:00 - [503] While you have a point Skunk, to me if you want to beat some sense into game mechanics lets start on nano ships first. So if you fly a nano yourself then your whole "this is not right!" post is moot :P
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:07:00 - [504] Originally by: arbalesttom Originally by: Le Skunk Use an inty to uncloak the target As soon as he cloaks your inty insta decelerates and has to be manualy sped up. By the time youve done this he has warped. This has been tested with a 26km per second ares. Try harder next time, completely bull** the target warped before your inty pilot should be at the place he cloaked. The mwd is on for 10 seconds, and your telling me a 26km/s inty cant do a max distance of 30km within those 10 seconds? Lawls Your -0.5 sec rating and 100 kills proves you to be an expert in low sec camping eh? As discussed if you click approach the ship insta decelerates as he cloaks and you lose alignment So you have to manually double click roughly in front of an icon you get a brief glimpse of and pray he heads roughly in the direction you are going. Assuming you fluke it, the time it takes you to accelerate, the delay on the uncloak, and the delay in being able to lock, and the module lag means the ship is home free. In fact, this trick actualy works BETTER if you have crap skills which make the duration of the mwd burst less** are you telling me CCP meant this module to be used this way and implemented a skill which it profits you NOT TO TRAIN? SKUNK
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:12:00 - [505] LeSkunk, you're full of it. i was decloaked in about 5 seconds when i tried this in low sec. not only that but i was bumped out of alignment all before my bs had a chance to reach speed to warp. you're delibirately lying and exeggerating who knows for what reasons. prolly to get this banned since you've just become bitter after the privateers nerf for griefing in high sec. first, this isnt a 'trick'. the gatecampers are bitter because theyre not killin EVERYTHING anymore. second, it takes skill from both, pilot doing it and pilot trying to counter it, as i found out myself. Matrix Skye: You think you're a badass pirate but you're not. You're just a sore loser and a cry baby. A cryrat :). NightmareX: LOL, you still fail to explain. Swoosh!
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:22:00 - [506] Edited by: Le Skunk on 20/06/2008 11:25:28 Edited by: Le Skunk on 20/06/2008 11:24:42 Originally by: Tzar'rim While you have a point Skunk, to me if you want to beat some sense into game mechanics lets start on nano ships first. So if you fly a nano yourself then your whole "this is not right!" post is moot :P I don't really have much of a position on the nano ships. Despite what people say, nano ships are not nigh on invulnerable in the way that the cloak mwd exploit makes ships. I really don't mind ships being hard to catch on gate camps. Nanofwags are hard to catch sure, but if you assemble a good team and spend some isk, you can get them. After seeing a lot of nanofags breeze through our camps, we had a think, I invested 1 billion isk on a lachesis with dual domination webs (overloaded) scan res rigs, shadow serp sensor boosters and a faction tank etc. This enables you to insta double web a fwag at range, with a long range point if he coasts out of range, which enables your gang to get the extra couple of hits on him. A neut boat in your gang normally prevents this though. A quick look on my killboard shows ive kiled 30 ishtars, 25 vagas etc. If specially fit things are hard to catch - thats fine. Force recons are designed for the purpose and have drawbacks to make up for it Blockade runners are designed for the purpose and have drawbacks to make up for it If Combat fit lumbering battleships are nigh on impossible to catch - then we have an inbalance -and CCP should be dealing with it. SKUNK PS The only time i fly nano is a) to bump b) to chase down the annoying intys who sit at 250km orbiting the gate. They dont like a cynabal up em
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:23:00 - [507] Originally by: Matrix Skye LeSkunk, you're full of it. i was decloaked in about 5 seconds when i tried this in low sec. not only that but i was bumped out of alignment all before my bs had a chance to reach speed to warp. you're delibirately lying and exeggerating who knows for what reasons. prolly to get this banned since you've just become bitter after the privateers nerf for griefing in high sec. first, this isnt a 'trick'. the gatecampers are bitter because theyre not killin EVERYTHING anymore. second, it takes skill from both, pilot doing it and pilot trying to counter it, as i found out myself. LOL i normally ignore your posts but here you are bragging about being a massive failcake? ROFL SKUNK
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:25:00 - [508] Originally by: Le Skunk In fact, this trick actualy works BETTER if you have crap skills which make the duration of the mwd burst less SKUNK This makes no sense
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:33:00 - [509] Originally by: Tzar'rim Originally by: Le Skunk In fact, this trick actualy works BETTER if you have crap skills which make the duration of the mwd burst less SKUNK This makes no sense Your correct I was thinking of afterburners boost duration. The rest of my argument stands. SKUNK
marakor Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:38:00 - [510] I must agree with ppl who say that this is a skill not a exploit especially as with a good interceptor pilot you can uncloak and bump a BS well before it has finished aligning. Low sec gate campers are no longer 100% sure of catching every ship that jumps into them unless they adapt to the maneuver by using a interceptor and even then the interceptor can screw up and miss but then the fella in the jumping BS can balls things up as well so its totally and fully balanced as far as i can see.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:43:00 - [511] Originally by: Le Skunk LOL i normally ignore your posts but here you are bragging about being a massive failcake? ROFL SKUNK im the massive failcake yet you're the one crying about not being able to catch players in your gatecamp. nice job there here, i'll regurgitate some of your own vomit: LEARN TO ADAPT. as i said, it takes skills. just because you dont have them doesnt mean this needs nerfing. BTW, isnt it ironic how you accused players of massive whinage during your war abuse days and now that the tables are turned you defend your bitter-sweet tears? Matrix Skye: You think you're a badass pirate but you're not. You're just a sore loser and a cry baby. A cryrat :). NightmareX: LOL, you still fail to explain. Swoosh!
Space Wanderer	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:43:00 - [512] Originally by: Le Skunk You show a complete lack of understanding here. I am sorry to say that somebody who is incapable to cover 30km in 10 sec in a 26km/sec ship shouldn't really speak of understanding. Listen, despite what you say, I understand your point and your concern. I do agree that ships not designed for speed or stealth should have not as easy as recons or blockade runners. What YOU are missing (therefore your lack of understanding) is that they currently do NOT have it as easy as recons and blockade runners. Certainly it's hard to catch a mwd+cloak in lowsec, but not impossible, and ridicoulously easy in 0.0. Again, I have nothing against a tweak of the trick (for instance adding some seconds more before the more massive ships warp), but if you don't give people some hope to survive a camp, your camp will be observing only recons and blockade runners passing by. For instance, some time ago I passed a camp on a BC with the trick, and the piwates who were doing the camp decided to follow me, and caught me with my pants down out of the station I just docked. Well played on their side. Now consider, if there hadn't been the mwd+cloak I would have never dared to bring the BC in lowsec, limiting myself to covops, recons and runners, in lowsec. And I wouldn't be the only one. You really think that it would improve the quality of your game? Originally by: Le Skunk A COMBAT FIT BATTLESHIP - IS NOT DESIGNED AND WAS NEVER INTENDED TO FLY AT WILL THOUGH A CAMP And they still aren't. If it were the case I wouldn't try to avoid gatecamps with a ship with mwd+cloak, scouting ahead every time I can, etc. I hate to find a gatecamp and knowing that my only chance is the mwd+cloak, because, even barring mistakes (which happen too often), I know that there are full 10 seconds to uncloak me. Instead I don't care camps a little bit if I am in a recon. You are stating that mwd+cloak is as safe or safer than a recon, which, as somebody that experienced both, I find as false as a nine dollars note. Originally by: Le Skunk A PVP flag in lowsec. I beg your pardon? That's another overstatement that sounds like the opposite of a big picture; it assumes there is no pvp except camps. Are you seriously stating that you don't do any pvp except camps? Even if your assumption of mwd+cloak being impossible to counter were true (which isn't), it would be valid only against camps. Instead, if you look at the bigger picture, camps are only a small facet of pvp. You can catch people while they are mining in a belt, you can catch them ratting, you can catch them in missions, you can catch them in exploration sites. You can catch them undocking from station (as it happened to me above). And mwd+cloak won't save them there. From personal experience I believe that mwd+cloak currently fosters pvp, instead of hindering it.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:47:00 - [513] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Le Skunk LOL i normally ignore your posts but here you are bragging about being a massive failcake? ROFL SKUNK im the massive failcake yet you're the one crying about not being able to catch players in your gatecamp. nice job there here, i'll regurgitate some of your own vomit: LEARN TO ADAPT. as i said, it takes skills. just because you dont have them doesnt mean this needs nerfing. BTW, isnt it ironic how you accused players of massive whinage during your war abuse days and now that the tables are turned you defend your bitter-sweet tears? LOL you cant even do the cloak warp trick which i have pulled off succesfull about 500 times - coming up against the best camps in the game. You should stick to forum trolling as you obvioulsy have no skill in game Oh im sorry ... I humilated you SKUNK
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:57:00 - [514] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 20/06/2008 11:59:12 Originally by: Le Skunk LOL you cant even do the cloak warp trick which i have pulled off succesfull about 500 times - bull** exagerating much? so what you mean to tell me is you found 500 gatecamps to test your 'trick' on? wait, i thought gatecamps werent common in eve? you just want this nerfed because you're an admitted gatecamper and you dont like when ships arent dying while your ass is sat and you press F1-F8. not my fault OR problem. again, ADAPT! Originally by:** Le Skunk I should stick to forum trolling as I obvioulsy have no skill in game FIFY and i agree learn to maneuver your inty manually and stop being so ***** LAZY. Originally by:** Le Skunk Oh im sorry ... I humilated you you mean i dont do this all by myself? gimme some credit skunky boy Matrix Skye: You think you're a badass pirate but you're not. You're just a sore loser and a cry baby. A cryrat :). NightmareX: LOL, you still fail to explain. Swoosh!
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 12:01:00 - [515] Edited by: Le Skunk on 20/06/2008 12:01:49 Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Le Skunk Oh im sorry ... I humilated you you mean i dont do this all by myself? gimme some credit skunky boy LOL I note your not being all mouthy any more and are nowtrying to be self depreciating - a clear sign of you being gutted thats Ive made a fool out of you and trying to take some of the sting out of it. It wont work though - Your failure to cloak mwd (which consists of the following 'skillfull' steps lest we forget) CLICK F1 F2 F2 CLICK Will forever haunt you as the failcake troll who cant hit three buttons succesfully. SKUNK
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.20 12:07:00 - [516] Originally by: Le Skunk LOL I note your not being all mouthy any more and are nowtrying to be self depreciating - a clear sign of you being gutted thats Ive made a fool out of you and trying to take some of the sting out of it. It wont work though - Your failure to cloak mwd (which consists of the following 'skillfull' steps lest we forget) CLICK F1 F2 F2 CLICK Will forever haunt you as the failcake troll who cant hit three buttons succesfully. SKUNK yes, unlike camping a gate which is what (1)sit on your ass (2)wait for ship to spawn (3)f1-f8 (4)repeat 1 here's me being a little mouthy: ADAPT! USE YOUR BRAIN! LEARN TO PILOT YOUR INTY MANUALLY! stop asking ccp to spoon feed you the game! Matrix Skye: You think you're a badass pirate but you're not. You're just a sore loser and a cry baby. A cryrat :). NightmareX: LOL, you still fail to explain. Swoosh!
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 12:12:00 - [517] Edited by: Le Skunk on 20/06/2008 12:12:36 Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Le Skunk LOL I note your not being all mouthy any more and are nowtrying to be self depreciating - a clear sign of you being gutted thats Ive made a fool out of you and trying to take some of the sting out of it. It wont work though - Your failure to cloak mwd (which consists of the following 'skillfull' steps lest we forget) CLICK F1 F2 F2 CLICK Will forever haunt you as the failcake troll who cant hit three buttons succesfully. SKUNK yes, unlike camping a gate which is what (1)sit on your ass (2)wait for ship to spawn (3)f1-f8 (4)repeat 1 here's me being a little mouthy: ADAPT! USE YOUR BRAIN! LEARN TO PILOT YOUR INTY MANUALLY! stop asking ccp to spoon feed you the game! Yawn - I honestly didnt read ANY of your post. Im sure it was highly exciting and you desperatly try to score some points, cry rat, laxy, etcetcetc Im too busy laughing at the massive in game failure you are, and now how you chose to try to out troll me and your gettgin your ass smacked. CLICK- F1... LOL failcake SKUNK EDIT - come on - back to the other thread - your getting a pasting there to. BTW im not even gonna read what you say :) Just humiliated you some more.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 12:15:00 - [518] Right now matrix sky is typing lazy cry rat or something so ill post the put down now to save time click-f1-f2-f2.. failcake forum troll . **** pilot etc SKUNK "outtrolling the troll"
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.20 12:17:00 - [519] wow i musta really ***ed you off Matrix Skye: You think you're a badass pirate but you're not. You're just a sore loser and a cry baby. A cryrat :). NightmareX: LOL, you still fail to explain. Swoosh!*
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 12:18:00 - [520] Originally by: Matrix Skye wow i musta really ****ed you off TLDR Your still biting though.. keep it up. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 12:22:00 - [521] Ahh hes finaly realised im pulling his levers and stopped posting I was enjoying that SKUNK
Tregaron Shinra Shinra Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.20 12:42:00 - [522] tell you wat just let me use my broadswords bubble launcher without script then we're all fine i mean it would stop the trick and get more kills disadvantages is unable to mwd with bubble up and anything in ur bubble can't warp including ur own gang.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.20 13:07:00 - [523] Originally by: Le Skunk Ahh hes finaly realised im pulling his levers and stopped posting I was enjoying that SKUNK no, not really. the problem is reasoning with you is like reasoning with an 8-year-old boy who chooses to cover his ears and scream: Originally by: Le Skunk LALALALALALALA!!! I CANT HEAR YOU!!! LALALALALALA! I CANT HEAR 'CAUSE I'M COVERING MY EARS!! LALALALA and quite frankly i know im beginning to **** you off badly and dont want to get this thread locked cause it's fun watching you silly crybabies cry, so i'll chill out. Matrix Skye: You think you're a badass pirate but you're not. You're just a sore loser and a cry baby. A cryrat :). NightmareX: LOL, you still fail to explain. Swoosh!
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 15:38:00 - [524] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Le Skunk Ahh hes finaly realised im pulling his levers and stopped posting I was enjoying that SKUNK no, not really. the problem is reasoning with you is like reasoning with an 8-year-old boy who chooses to cover his ears and scream: Originally by: Le Skunk LALALALALALALA!!! I CANT HEAR YOU!!! LALALALALALA! I CANT HEAR 'CAUSE I'M COVERING MY EARS!! LALALALA and quite frankly i know im beginning to ** you off badly and dont want to get this thread locked cause it's fun watching you silly crybabies cry, so i'll chill out. DIDNT READ THIS POST BTW Cry rats la la la.. Come on keep up the posting. MAybe if you keep posting youll be able to hit 4 buttons in a row without***ing it up Please post some more Im waiting. I know I can bait you out of your silences now :) Fail pilot - fail troll. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 16:02:00 - [525] Looks like the matrix tantrum troll has retreated from this thread and into the muffin thread where he feels more secure. This thread contains evidence of his utternubbness you see - as he admits he cannot hit 4 keys in a row without falling out of his chair. Please matrix, dont give up yet.... SKUNK
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.06.20 16:25:00 - [526] Edited by: Tzar''rim on 20/06/2008 16:24:54 This thread is now about marshmellows
Cally Pitt	Posted - 2008.06.20 17:37:00 - [527] ROFL
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.20 17:37:00 - [528] Originally by: Tzar'rim Edited by: Tzar''rim on 20/06/2008 16:24:54 This thread is now about marshmellows No, it's now about how uber mega awesome alts are in this game. You know, they have so much experience in how PVP work. I really love PVP alts who have many many many kills every months, and alts who knows exactly how game mechanics works. I must really send them a flower for being so awesome.
Nexus Kinnon Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.06.20 18:02:00 - [529] you're trying too hard
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 18:26:00 - [530] This thread needs to be kept alive Its the thread where the tantrum troll Matrix Sky admits to being so terrfied of blinkys that he is not able to hit four keys in a row without hiding under the table. the thread he vacated in humiliation after trolling it for three weeks once i decided to turn my gaze upon him. Its a victory for the common man, who just want to get along and discuss the game without being trolled from alts, and a testementt my fearsome forum kung fu. SKUNK
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.20 18:41:00 - [531] i must have ***ed you off good to have you this bent out of shape welcome to the other side of grief. enjoy Matrix Skye: You think you're a badass pirate but you're not. You're just a sore loser and a cry baby. A cryrat :). NightmareX: LOL, you still fail to explain. Swoosh!*
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.20 18:49:00 - [532] Originally by: Matrix Skye i must have ****ed you off good to have you this bent out of shape welcome to the other side of grief. enjoy I love your sig, because it shows that your the cry rat bwwahahahahah.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 18:55:00 - [533] Originally by: Matrix Skye i must have ****ed you off good to have you this bent out of shape welcome to the other side of grief. enjoy Im activly encouragin you to post. Im pushing you buttons left and right. Ive never griefed anyone in game, but damn im enjoying griefing you in the forums :) Maybe there is a macro out there which will simulate the hitting of four keys for you eh? Wouldnt that be nice Smile - everyones watching you..... SKUNK
Boknamar The Knights Trevor	Posted - 2008.06.20 18:56:00 - [534] Originally by: Le Skunk This thread needs to be kept alive Its the thread where the tantrum troll Matrix Sky admits to being so terrfied of blinkys that he is not able to hit four keys in a row without hiding under the table. the thread he vacated in humiliation after trolling it for three weeks once i decided to turn my gaze upon him. Its a victory for the common man, who just want to get along and discuss the game without being trolled from alts, and a testementt my fearsome forum kung fu. SKUNK I think honorable mention is also deserved for tantrum trolls NightmareX and lecrotta who tirelessly kept this thread alive through six pages of smack that had nothing at all to do with the topic.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.20 19:03:00 - [535] Originally by: Boknamar I think honorable mention is also deserved for tantrum trolls NightmareX and lecrotta who tirelessly kept this thread alive through six pages of smack that had nothing at all to do with the topic. lets not forget le skunk for his hard work and dedication. nothing accomplished but one hell of a try, poor cry rat worked so hard too :(. Matrix Skye: You think you're a badass pirate but you're not. You're just a sore loser and a cry baby. A cryrat :). NightmareX: LOL, you still fail to explain. Swoosh!
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.20 19:04:00 - [536] Edited by: NightmareX on 20/06/2008 19:04:45 Originally by: Boknamar Originally by: Le Skunk This thread needs to be kept alive Its the thread where the tantrum troll Matrix Sky admits to being so terrfied of blinkys that he is not able to hit four keys in a row without hiding under the table. the thread he vacated in humiliation after trolling it for three weeks once i decided to turn my gaze upon him. Its a victory for the common man, who just want to get along and discuss the game without being trolled from alts, and a testementt my fearsome forum kung fu. SKUNK I think honorable mention is also deserved for tantrum trolls NightmareX and lecrotta who tirelessly kept this thread alive through six pages of smack that had nothing at all to do with the topic. Hehe, alts need to understand that, trolling or kidding with me on the EVE forum with alts is a waste of time. If they had posted with they main characters, it would be another story i'll guess, the replys from me would be different.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 19:05:00 - [537] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Boknamar I think honorable mention is also deserved for tantrum trolls NightmareX and lecrotta who tirelessly kept this thread alive through six pages of smack that had nothing at all to do with the topic. lets not forget le skunk for his hard work and dedication. nothing accomplished but one hell of a try, poor cry rat worked so hard too :(. LOL you like posting in this thread becuase you dont feel confused about whether or not im manipulating you to post/not post. Your feeling so confident you even brought out the fresh and witty "cry rat" line again. LOL Interstingly ive noticed after i criticised you about using all capital letters in your bizare make believe conversations with me, you are not using them AT ALL any more.. PEW PEW - messing with your head SKUNK
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.20 19:10:00 - [538] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Boknamar I think honorable mention is also deserved for tantrum trolls NightmareX and lecrotta who tirelessly kept this thread alive through six pages of smack that had nothing at all to do with the topic. lets not forget le skunk for his hard work and dedication. nothing accomplished but one hell of a try, poor cry rat worked so hard too :(. LOL you like posting in this thread becuase you dont feel confused about whether or not im manipulating you to post/not post. Your feeling so confident you even brought out the fresh and witty "cry rat" line again. LOL Interstingly ive noticed after i criticised you about using all capital letters in your bizare make believe conversations with me, you are not using them AT ALL any more.. PEW PEW - messing with your head SKUNK What do you expect a cry rat to talk about?, i know he love to boost his e-peen on how awesome he is at being a cry rat. So just let him tell the cry rat in every replys he make. For me, the words 'Cry Rat' means nothing to me, because that's something he have found out to tell, and he have ubermegawtf failed to tell what that is, so just let him tell us something that doesn't mean anything
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 19:12:00 - [539] Originally by: NightmareX For me, the words 'Cry Rat' means nothing to me, because that's something he have found out to tell, and he have ubermegawtf failed to tell what that is, so just let him tell us something that doesn't mean anything Oh its like a rhyme on the word Pirate, but signifying the its someone crying. Its kind of like when you see very small children rhyming things with the word "poo" or "pee" then wetting themselves. SKUNK
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.20 19:14:00 - [540] Originally by: NightmareX What do you expect a cry rat to talk about?, i know he love to boost his e-peen on how awesome he is at being a cry rat. So just let him tell the cry rat in every replys he make. For me, the words 'Cry Rat' means nothing to me, because that's something he have found out to tell, and he have ubermegawtf failed to tell what that is, so just let him tell us something that doesn't mean anything I KNOW!!! haha. its like he's idiot cry rat but he thing we laughing with him but Le skunk doesnt is AT HIM. but atleast nigtmare-X and i know who real fool are. wow, nitemaareX. im sorry you are ok :) is becas idots like les kunk that we get upset but alteast you understand like me :) i like you now :) im going to change my sig now and im sorry Matrix Skye: You think you're a badass pirate but you're not. You're just a sore loser and a cry baby. A cryrat :). NightmareX: LOL, you still fail to explain. Swoosh!
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.20 19:17:00 - [541] Originally by: Le Skunk Oh its like a rhyme on the word Pirate, but signifying the its someone crying. Its kind of like when you see very small children rhyming things with the word "poo" or "pee" then wetting themselves. SKUNK no dummy! you funny hahaha! you cry rat, silly. cryrat get it? your silly, le skunk :) ok ok. now i like you too and i also like nitmareX becas we actually know what poo and pee is and sometimes we wet ourselves but ok we can be friends now but only becase you really didnt mean to say those mean thingies to me ok? luv you buhbai. Matrix Skye: You think you're a badass pirate but you're not. You're just a sore loser and a cry baby. A cryrat :). NightmareX: LOL, you still fail to explain. Swoosh!
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 19:19:00 - [542] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Le Skunk Oh its like a rhyme on the word Pirate, but signifying the its someone crying. Its kind of like when you see very small children rhyming things with the word "poo" or "pee" then wetting themselves. SKUNK no dummy! you funny hahaha! you cry rat, silly. cryrat get it? your silly, le skunk :) ok ok. now i like you too and i also like nitmareX becas we actually know what poo and pee is and sometimes we wet ourselves but ok we can be friends now but only becase you really didnt mean to say those mean thingies to me ok? luv you buhbai. ULTIMATE WIN Ive made you troll yourself. /me takes a bow That ladies and gentleman, is how you deal with a troll. Carry on. SKUNK
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.20 19:25:00 - [543] Originally by: Le Skunk ULTIMATE WIN Ive made you troll yourself. /me takes a bow That ladies and gentleman, is how you deal with a troll. Carry on. SKUNK ok ok. we won rite? but me nitmreXX and you are winnars now relly becaus and take bow i take bow for you and a troll wheres a troll? i hate trolls 1 day troll ated my cheese but your bigestest winar lesk unk and we re friend now ok? :) i love you lskunnk your my bff ok :)) i lovue you p.s. can somune tell lees kunk what he won pleas? he won!!! Matrix Skye: You think you're a badass pirate but you're not. You're just a sore loser and a cry baby. A cryrat :). NightmareX: LOL, you still fail to explain. Swoosh!
oilio State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.20 19:42:00 - [544] So what we have here is a thread where Le Skunk massively overstates the "problem", and exaggerates everything. Have you REALLY tried the MWD-followed-by-cloak thing 500 times man? Really? Nooooo, you're a liar, but this is good. People reading your post know that you're lying. Your lies throw your other arguments (which are gross exaggerations) further into doubt. It's unlikely that CCP see it your way, and following your posts, I doubt that many others will either. You stink of failure. Return to your gatecamp, stick your thumb back up your arse and cry the tears of a failed liar. You aren't achieving anything here.
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.20 19:52:00 - [545] Originally by: oilio So what we have here is a thread where Le Skunk massively overstates the "problem", and exaggerates everything. Have you REALLY tried the MWD-followed-by-cloak thing 500 times man? Really? Nooooo, you're a liar, but this is good. People reading your post know that you're lying. Your lies throw your other arguments (which are gross exaggerations) further into doubt. It's unlikely that CCP see it your way, and following your posts, I doubt that many others will either. You stink of failure. Return to your gatecamp, stick your thumb back up your arse and cry the tears of a failed liar. You aren't achieving anything here. Oh oh, look, another megafail alt who think he knows much lol
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 19:57:00 - [546] Originally by: oilio So what we have here is a thread where Le Skunk massively overstates the "problem", and exaggerates everything. Have you REALLY tried the MWD-followed-by-cloak thing 500 times man? Really? Nooooo, you're a liar, but this is good. People reading your post know that you're lying. Your lies throw your other arguments (which are gross exaggerations) further into doubt. It's unlikely that CCP see it your way, and following your posts, I doubt that many others will either. You stink of failure. Return to your gatecamp, stick your thumb back up your arse and cry the tears of a failed liar. You aren't achieving anything here. Ive done it 9 times today already... work the maths out. Ive lived in low sec for a year mate :) Your incomprehension about how easy it is to do and how difficult it is to counter shows how utterly out of touch you are - sat in high sec posting with your alt for fear of "retaliation" by the nasty people. If you got out of high sec you might have an idea :) Oh and ive stated many times CCP wont deal with it - I just abuse it every day and encourage people to petition when i shoot past there camps. SKUNK
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.20 19:59:00 - [547] Originally by: NightmareX Oh oh, look, another megafail alt who think he knows much lol I KNOW!!1 HAHAHA he dont no he idiot not you or me or le shrunk. we know pvp he is idiot hahahahahahahahahahahahaha we pvp every time we win even le krunk know he won we won ahahahahahahaha ask les kunt know dis hahaha tell him i rock your face hahahaha he cant touch us right mightmareX? hahaha he looke lika idiot not you and me ahahahahaha Matrix Skye: You think you're a badass pirate but you're not. You're just a sore loser and a cry baby. A cryrat :). NightmareX: LOL, you still fail to explain. Swoosh!
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.20 20:02:00 - [548] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: NightmareX Oh oh, look, another megafail alt who think he knows much lol I KNOW!!1 HAHAHA he dont no he idiot not you or me or le shrunk. we know pvp he is idiot hahahahahahahahahahahahaha we pvp every time we win even le krunk know he won we won ahahahahahahaha ask les kunt know dis hahaha tell him i rock your face hahahaha he cant touch us right mightmareX? hahaha he looke lika idiot not you and me ahahahahaha Can i know what extremely dangerous drugs you are on please?
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.20 20:04:00 - [549] lisen to le skunt! he knows he won today and hes done mwd+cloak 9 times today already. he doesnt lie le skunt doesnt EVAR LIE! he is not biased and he doesnt have agenda he just merely being fair and he doesnt gank so he isnt hiding anything. hes doing it for the poor players that cant defend themselves in high sec. oh wait. that was during privateer days. well, not he's still defending the rights of the poor defensless gankers. if thats being biassed then i dont know what bias is. Matrix Skye: You think you're a badass pirate but you're not. You're just a sore loser and a cry baby. A cryrat :). NightmareX: LOL, you still fail to explain. Swoosh!
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.20 20:06:00 - [550] Originally by: NightmareX Can i know what extremely dangerous drugs you are on please? It's called inhaling stupidity from forum idiots. You wouldn't know about it because you and Le Skunk are not inhalers. You're the product. Matrix Skye: You think you're a badass pirate but you're not. You're just a sore loser and a cry baby. A cryrat :). NightmareX: LOL, you still fail to explain. Swoosh!
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 20:08:00 - [551] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: NightmareX Oh oh, look, another megafail alt who think he knows much lol I KNOW!!1 HAHAHA he dont no he idiot not you or me or le shrunk. we know pvp he is idiot hahahahahahahahahahahahaha we pvp every time we win even le krunk know he won we won ahahahahahahaha ask les kunt know dis hahaha tell him i rock your face hahahaha he cant touch us right mightmareX? hahaha he looke lika idiot not you and me ahahahahaha Can i know what extremely dangerous drugs you are on please? Hes still reeling from his ass whacking earlier SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 20:11:00 - [552] Edited by: Le Skunk on 20/06/2008 20:11:16 Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: NightmareX Can i know what extremely dangerous drugs you are on please? It's called inhaling stupidity from forum idiots. You wouldn't know about it because you and Le Skunk are not inhalers. You're the product. :( you should go back into poo poo pants mode again. Your not interesting during your 'serious' moments (well apart from the time you admited you are so terrifed when you jump into a camp you cannot push four keys in a row succesfull :) You should get some pvp experience, then your hands might not tremble so much if someone is sat blinking at you :) SKUNK
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.20 20:16:00 - [553] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: NightmareX Can i know what extremely dangerous drugs you are on please? It's called inhaling stupidity from forum idiots. You wouldn't know about it because you and Le Skunk are not inhalers. You're the product. :( you should go back into poo poo pants mode again. Your not interesting during your 'serious' moments (well apart from the time you admited you are so terrifed when you jump into a camp you cannot push four keys in a row succesfull :) You should get some pvp experience, then your hands might not tremble so much if someone is sat blinking at you :) SKUNK Yawn, this will be a waste me knowing it's a blunt lie, but read the yellow and show us all where I admitted to this. I won't hold my breath on this one . Matrix Skye: You think you're a badass pirate but you're not. You're just a sore loser and a cry baby. A cryrat :). NightmareX: LOL, you still fail to explain. Swoosh!
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 20:21:00 - [554] Edited by: Le Skunk on 20/06/2008 20:21:51 Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: NightmareX Can i know what extremely dangerous drugs you are on please? It's called inhaling stupidity from forum idiots. You wouldn't know about it because you and Le Skunk are not inhalers. You're the product. :( you should go back into poo poo pants mode again. Your not interesting during your 'serious' moments (well apart from the time you admited you are so terrifed when you jump into a camp you cannot push four keys in a row succesfull :) You should get some pvp experience, then your hands might not tremble so much if someone is sat blinking at you :) SKUNK Yawn, this will be a waste me knowing it's a blunt lie, but read the yellow and show us all where I admitted to this. I won't hold my breath on this one . What the matter - the truth hurts... shaky hands Now the forums see the reason why you troll the 'beastly piewats' threads. Your terrified of them :) Mate its just a game - you dont have to be scared IRL SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.20 20:32:00 - [555] Originally by: Matrix Skye Yes. I'm terrified. Well at least your admitting it now. Dosent that feel better SKUNK
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.06.20 20:37:00 - [556] Sigh
Evernite Vorsair	Posted - 2008.06.20 21:44:00 - [557] I do have a semi-serious question for, uh.. 'SKUNK'. You do realize that everyone can see that you're posting via the character picture and name to the left of your post, correct? 'Signing' your posts over and over again.. I mean, come on. You're not as big on the internet as you make yourself believe. (Wait, wait. I must get on the bandwagon here.) EVERNITE EVERNITE EVERNITE EVERNITE EVERNITE EVERNITE EVERNITE (I just want to fit in.)
deathtron DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.06.21 20:09:00 - [558] Originally by: Evernite Vorsair I do have a semi-serious question for, uh.. 'SKUNK'. You do realize that everyone can see that you're posting via the character picture and name to the left of your post, correct? 'Signing' your posts over and over again.. I mean, come on. You're not as big on the internet as you make yourself believe. (Wait, wait. I must get on the bandwagon here.) EVERNITE EVERNITE EVERNITE EVERNITE EVERNITE EVERNITE EVERNITE (I just want to fit in.) You forgot your last name FAIL DEATHTRON

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