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Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.05.29 23:00:00 - [211] Originally by: Matrix Skye I know 'cry rat' isn't as original as say "carebear", since afterall, that's more of a 12-year-old level insult rather than a 8-year-old. You're looking in the mirror pointing and laughing and still haven't figured it out . I have done nothing new in this thread. I've only rehashed your own doings. But you still don't get it. You still here making a buffoon of yourself?
Philipius Maximus Corporation 1	Posted - 2008.05.30 01:12:00 - [212] Originally by: Zachariah Barnette Originally by: Tal Nok just...lol This thread needs more Phillipus Maximus I'm here, baby. You know you want me.
Scrutt5 Snuff inc	Posted - 2008.05.30 05:36:00 - [213] Tactical overlay ftw :)
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.05.30 06:26:00 - [214] Originally by: Matrix Skye And Le Skunk, Don't even get me started on how much crying you do in the forums. You always threaten you'll leave the game if "such and such" isn't fixed to your liking. But you're still here... crying . Everything carebear to you is an exploit. Nothing you ever did, do, and will do ever is an exploit . But yes, you're just a low sec liberator . Lol I like this thread. Just to clarify though: Cant remember threatening to leave the game. Nothing ive ever done has been an exploit or has subsequently been judged to be an exploit AFAIK. And im glad you admit I am not a pierat. SKUNK Oh btw why dont you call someone a lie-rat, when they are not telling the truth. That would be "weally fwunny"
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.30 09:34:00 - [215] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 30/05/2008 09:35:26 Originally by: Omarvelous This back and forth with Matrix Skye - reminds me of Derovius Vaden's posts about a year ago. This thread reminds me of babies. All you have to do is distract them a little and they forget why they were crying in the first place. Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:39:00 - [216] Originally by: Matrix Skye I know 'cry rat' isn't as original as say "carebear", since afterall, that's more of a 12-year-old level insult rather than a 8-year-old. You're looking in the mirror pointing and laughing and still haven't figured it out . I have done nothing new in this thread. I've only rehashed your own doings. But you still don't get it. Shhh... Your breath stinks! __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Matrix Skye	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:49:00 - [217] Originally by: Omarvelous Shhh... Your breath stinks! Then get off my face and stop trying to kiss me, cry rat. Originally by: Case Mass i rock your face Help Case Mass make this phrase catchy!
Jakke Logan F Off And Die	Posted - 2008.05.30 14:38:00 - [218] Why is it that pirate gate campers seem to believe they are entitled in some way to kill whatever jumps through a gate? There is a sure and certain answer to stopping this technique. It's called grow a pair and camp gates in 0.0 where you can use bubbles on the gate.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.30 16:54:00 - [219] Originally by: Jakke Logan Why is it that pirate gate campers seem to believe they are entitled in some way to kill whatever jumps through a gate? There is a sure and certain answer to stopping this technique. It's called grow a pair and camp gates in 0.0 where you can use bubbles on the gate. Sorry, but your not a pirate in 0.0 space. How can you lose sec status in 0.0 space?
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.30 17:03:00 - [220] Originally by: NightmareX Sorry, but your not a pirate in 0.0 space. How can you lose sec status in 0.0 space? Well that brings up a whole other interesting discussion. Is the loss of security status the defining factor of an act of piracy? I mean...unauthorized killing of vessels in empire will result in a loss of security status, which is really just a mechanic to let NPCs know you're a "badguy." But it's the same in sovereign 0.0, right? Go to claimed 0.0 space and shoot at targets that the sovereign in that space doesn't want you to shoot at, and you'll likely have your standings adjusted accordingly by the sovereign. No sentries to shoot and no sec status loss...but it's essentially the same thing. NPCs interact based on sec status and standings, which are a result of player actions. PCs interact based on standings as well, usually as a result of player actions. So one could certainly make the case that killing unauthorized targets in claimed 0.0 is indeed an act of piracy.

lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.30 17:16:00 - [221] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Jakke Logan Why is it that pirate gate campers seem to believe they are entitled in some way to kill whatever jumps through a gate? There is a sure and certain answer to stopping this technique. It's called grow a pair and camp gates in 0.0 where you can use bubbles on the gate. Sorry, but your not a pirate in 0.0 space. How can you lose sec status in 0.0 space? I disagree with your thinking that a player is not a pirate if he works in 0.0 instead of low sec. I suppose officially with concord/NPC's you may not be considered such but the fact is that if you make your living in eve by popping PC ships you are a pirate, its just that some of us work in the open seas of 0.0 while others stay close to the coastal shores of empire. PS: Im still undecided on the whole cloak/warp maneuver as to whether its a exploit or a valid piloting skill but i am leaning towards skill tbh.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.30 17:17:00 - [222] Edited by: NightmareX on 30/05/2008 17:23:56 To be able to do piracy, you need to break rules, and is it any rules in 0.0 space? No, there is no rules in 0.0 space. Ofc, you can break some rules by shooting blues for example, but that doesn't make you to a pirate. So low sec is the only place you can break rules. Or you can do it to in high sec to, but then CONCORD will be pretty angry at you. You can smartbomb a bunch of miners in high sec and lose a butt load of sec status. Things like that is piracy. I know some peoples have been saying that oh you can still be a pirate while you are in a 0.0 space alliance. Like Quam, we was in Triumvirate and we was in 0.0 space most of the time. Even when we are pirates, it doesn't mean we can do piracy in 0.0 space. We only do piracy when we are back in low sec. Like now, Quam is mostly doing piracy since we are living in low sec now, and are doing some 0.0 space roamings some times. But we still can't do piracy in 0.0 space.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.30 17:22:00 - [223] Edited by: lecrotta on 30/05/2008 17:25:42 Originally by: NightmareX To be able to do piracy, you need to break rules, and is it any rules in 0.0 space? No, there is no rules in 0.0 space. Ofc, you can break some rules by shooting blues for example, but that doesn't make you to a pirate. So low sec is the only place you can break rules. Or you can do it to in high sec to, but then CONCORD will be pretty angry at you. You can smartbomb a bunch of miners in high sec and lose a butt load of sec status. Things like that is piracy. Wiki says......... Piracy is a robbery committed at sea (ok ok in space in the eve universe). Piracy can also be committed against a ship, aircraft, persons, or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state (so its not limited to low sec or areas with rules). So its about how you make your living not if you break rules.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.30 17:26:00 - [224] Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 30/05/2008 17:24:15 Originally by: NightmareX To be able to do piracy, you need to break rules, and is it any rules in 0.0 space? No, there is no rules in 0.0 space. Ofc, you can break some rules by shooting blues for example, but that doesn't make you to a pirate. So low sec is the only place you can break rules. Or you can do it to in high sec to, but then CONCORD will be pretty angry at you. You can smartbomb a bunch of miners in high sec and lose a butt load of sec status. Things like that is piracy. Wiki says......... Piracy is a robbery committed at sea (ok ok in space in the eve universe). Piracy can also be committed against a ship, aircraft, persons, or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state (so its not limited to low sec or areas with rules). So its about how you make your living not if you break rules. Oh ok, so if we should follow that, then everyone that are stealing or robbing others in empire are also pirates? Haha, but that's not kinda what a pirate in EVE is.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.30 17:30:00 - [225] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX To be able to do piracy, you need to break rules, and is it any rules in 0.0 space? No, there is no rules in 0.0 space. Ofc, you can break some rules by shooting blues for example, but that doesn't make you to a pirate. So low sec is the only place you can break rules. Or you can do it to in high sec to, but then CONCORD will be pretty angry at you. You can smartbomb a bunch of miners in high sec and lose a butt load of sec status. Things like that is piracy. Wiki says......... Piracy is a robbery committed at sea (ok ok in space in the eve universe). Piracy can also be committed against a ship, aircraft, persons, or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state (so its not limited to low sec or areas with rules). So its about how you make your living not if you break rules. Oh ok, so if we should follow that, then everyone that are stealing or robbing others in empire are also pirates? Haha, but that's not kinda what a pirate in EVE is. By definition of the word "pirate" yes, as concord flag them just like those in low sec in fact they respond very harshly by popping ppl who pirate in empire. Just because ppl pirate in 0.0 and do not get flagged by concord does not stop them from being pirates it just means that concord does not consider them such.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.30 17:46:00 - [226] Edited by: NightmareX on 30/05/2008 17:51:12 Still, how can you pirate in 0.0 space where there is NO RULES to follow there? You can rob someone or steal from someone in 0.0 space, but is there any rules against it there? And i'll guess you don't want me to bring Skywalker in this topic to let him tell you guys what the REAL piracy is? If you don't know who Skywalker or tiller is, then you shouldn't talk about piracy tbh.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:11:00 - [227] Originally by: NightmareX Still, how can you pirate in 0.0 space where there is NO RULES to follow there? Most 0.0 claiming alliances most certainly do have rules in their space. NPCs enforce rules based on CCP coding. PCs enforce rules based on...well, player action.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:25:00 - [228] Edited by: lecrotta on 30/05/2008 18:27:19 Originally by: NightmareX Still, how can you pirate in 0.0 space where there is NO RULES to follow there? You can rob someone or steal from someone in 0.0 space, but is there any rules against it there? And i'll guess you don't want me to bring Skywalker in this topic to let him tell you guys what the REAL piracy is? If you don't know who Skywalker or tiller is, then you shouldn't talk about piracy tbh. Skywalker is a clown but hey if your a fan/buttboy of his good luck with that..., and piracy is the act of stealing things from other ships at sea (or in eve in space). In the century that pirates were about in wooden ships nobody claimed the open seas (the equivalent of 0.0 of the day) nor were there laws but the guys who hunted other ships were still considered pirates. As i have already said a pirate is somebody who makes his isk in eve by popping and killing other PC ships no matter where he does it.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:28:00 - [229] Edited by: NightmareX on 30/05/2008 18:33:06 LOL I wont say more than FAILURE. Some players really don't know what an EVE pirate is and have totally failed to understand how piracy in EVE works haha. And saying Skywalker is a clown lecrotta, just make you to the biggest clown in EVE, because NO ONE knows more about piracy than Skywalker does. Or at least he's one of them.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:33:00 - [230] Originally by: NightmareX LOL I wont say more than FAILURE. Some players really don't know what an EVE pirate is haha. And sayin Skywalker is a clown lecrotta, just make you to the biggest clown in EVE, because no one knows more about piracy than Skywalker does. Ive been playing since 2003 and for most of that time i have been -10 so im well aware of what low sec pirates think and do. But piracy is not limited to low sec as its a style of and play not some thing that is limited by the area you do it in and if skywalker says different he is a fool.

NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:35:00 - [231] Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX LOL I wont say more than FAILURE. Some players really don't know what an EVE pirate is haha. And sayin Skywalker is a clown lecrotta, just make you to the biggest clown in EVE, because no one knows more about piracy than Skywalker does. Ive been playing since 2003 and for most of that time i have been -10 so im well aware of what low sec pirates think and do. But piracy is not limited to low sec as its a style of and play not some thing that is limited by the area you do it in and if skywalker says different he is a fool. I said that piracy can be done in high sec and in low sec. Also remember, when i talk about piracy, i'm talking about EVE piracy, not Wiki Piracy.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:39:00 - [232] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: NightmareX LOL I wont say more than FAILURE. Some players really don't know what an EVE pirate is haha. And sayin Skywalker is a clown lecrotta, just make you to the biggest clown in EVE, because no one knows more about piracy than Skywalker does. Ive been playing since 2003 and for most of that time i have been -10 so im well aware of what low sec pirates think and do. But piracy is not limited to low sec as its a style of and play not some thing that is limited by the area you do it in and if skywalker says different he is a fool. I said that piracy can be done in high sec and in low sec. Also remember, when i talk about piracy, i'm talking about EVE piracy, not Wiki Piracy. So your talking about EVE low sec piracy and not just eve piracy as there are many different forms. I suggest you be clearer in future.
Skjorta	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:41:00 - [233] Kill somebody in low sec = you're a pirate. Kill somebody in 0.0 = you're a pvper. solved for you guys :)
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:47:00 - [234] Edited by: Garreck on 30/05/2008 18:48:13 Originally by: NightmareX Also remember, when i talk about piracy, i'm talking about EVE piracy, not Wiki Piracy. We're talking the same thing, of course. Just because there are no sentries in 0.0 and no sec status loss (a CONCORD sponsored feature) does not mean that acts of piracy don't take place. Within the world of Eve, egger alliances are a new phenomenon. They are not party to the Yulai Convention and thereby do not benefit from that treaty...but sovereign is sovereign. And when it comes to definitions, breaking rules in 0.0 sovereign space is the same as breaking rules in empire sovereign space. Eve is a sandbox game. Just because a programmed feature (sec status loss, gate guns, CONCORD) doesn't apply in a certain area of space doesn't mean that "act of piracy" counts in one area of space and doesn't count in another. If an organization says "man, these guys were, by our 'laws,' pirating in our space" then that's precisely what they were doing. The fun part of playing in a sandbox is that we're not limited to what CCP codes for us.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:59:00 - [235] Edited by: NightmareX on 30/05/2008 19:01:58 Again Garreck, your totally wrong about the piracy thing m8. Now you have to do me a favour and tell me exactly why you can be a pirate in 0.0 space?. Give me 5very good reasons. Don't tell me about the stealing from cans or rob someone, because everyone is doing that, even the biggest carebears in EVE is doing that.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:03:00 - [236] Edited by: lecrotta on 30/05/2008 20:03:22 Originally by: NightmareX Again Garreck, your totally wrong about the piracy thing m8. Now you have to do me a favour and tell me exactly why you can be a pirate in 0.0 space?. Give me 5 very good reasons. Only one reason is needed and that is that piracy is defined by what you do not where you do it. A empire pirate pirates in empire. A low sec pirate pirates in low sec. And a 0.0 pirate pirates in 0.0. And some like me pirate in all 3 and have done for a long time. Its about profiting from killing other players ships as your main income that defines you as a pirate, the type of pirate you are in eve depends on where you do it but its all piracy.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:15:00 - [237] Edited by: NightmareX on 30/05/2008 20:23:11 Again, you fail to explain why there is piracy in 0.0 space. Originally by: lecrotta Its about profiting from killing other players ships as your main income that defines you as a pirate, the type of pirate you are in eve depends on where you do it but its all piracy. Is as wrong as it can get. So by that definition, EVERYONE that are pvping in 0.0 space to get isk is a pirate? LOL, don't make me laugh my ass off more than i do now.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:19:00 - [238] Originally by: NightmareX Again, you fail to explain why there is piracy in 0.0 space. I'm not sure what I failed to cover.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:35:00 - [239] Originally by: NightmareX Again, you fail to explain why there is piracy in 0.0 space. Originally by: lecrotta Its about profiting from killing other players ships as your main income that defines you as a pirate, the type of pirate you are in eve depends on where you do it but its all piracy. Is as wrong as it can get. So by that definition, EVERYONE that are pvping in 0.0 space is a pirate? LOL, don't make me laugh my ass off more than i do now. Again you miss the point but il spell it out for you ass you seem to be a little slow. Not everybody in 0.0 uses pvp to fund their ships and mods in 0.0 in fact most do not but they may they do pvp for fun or to defend their systems this makes them pvpers not pirates. Are you deliberately being ignorant or are you just stupid?.
NightmareX Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:36:00 - [240] lecrotta, read my post again, and then edit it after what's there now, it was edited while you was quoting me.



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