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Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.06 10:36:00 - [31] Originally by: Taradis they will tremble at the site of the golden fleet approaching. I just hope that my Matari and Gallente friends do not get caught up in this. You must realize how contradictory that is, right? -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Redbad TSL Wolfpack	Posted - 2008.06.06 10:37:00 - [32] Originally by: Taradis Taradis takes a sip of his tea as he switches off the Holo News Channel With Prime Minister Midular the Republic has been at relative peace with the Empire and now it seems that the Republic will prove to the rest of New Eden what Primitive Savages they are. I have both Matari and Gallente friends, I feel for them in these dark times with the unrest in the State and Federation and the show of force by Republic and Thukker tribe ships in Yulai. I would hope that cooler heads will prevail in this day and age but I may be wrong about that. But I for one will not let the unlightened savages of the Minmatar Republic threaten the Empire. I hear the beat of the tribal war drums in my head as I lay awake at nights stareing at the ceiling and pondering to myself what the future now holds. Those Savages that are a part of this ouster of Prime Minister Midular have all but sealed their fates they will tremble at the site of the golden fleet approaching. I just hope that my Matari and Gallente friends do not get caught up in this. You words do not strike me as if there is still that little spark of mutual trust.
Rathera D'Sarth Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.06.06 10:51:00 - [33] Just because Prime Minister Midular, (For she has not exactly been ousted just this moment), can no longer be considered a suitible leader, does not mean that the one that should follow her should not continue what she was trying to do. She was once quite capable of the task of leadership, I am sure, but recent events have shown that this is no longer the case. I would like to hope that a capable leader does what is best, rather than what the 'popular opinion' tells him or her to do, but I guess that such a 'leader' can always turn round at the end and tell said public that he/she was their fault... In anycase, I hope that her successor continues what she was trying to do, but is much better at it than she has proved to be. One that has control over it's own military and militant factions would be a good start, however that control is then subsequently used.
Darius Shakor Mirkur Draug'Tyr	Posted - 2008.06.06 10:59:00 - [34] Something very unexpected to wake to this morning. All I can say is 'it's about time.' This should have happened years ago. Midular's inept domestic handling of many situations, even before the Defiants, and before I followed the Ushra'Khan out of the Minmatar Republic to conduct the fight alone with them, Midular made many mistakes and showed she did not learn from them. She gave in to the Amarr and gained nothing of long term consequence more out of fear. Of course the Republic has grown since the days we wrestled free of the slavers. Or at least those of us lucky to have wrestled free... Maybe moderation was needed, and bowing to pressure. But these are things to be used to our advantage in the long run, not to dictate the course of all our actions in the future without at least laying some ground work to allow us to stand tall and no longer be pushed around. This is what Midular failed to do. And this is what we need a leader to do now. Malaetu Shakor is expected, or so it seems, to replace her as our leader by popular vote. I have always expected he would do well in this regard, and if it does happen then we will now see what he can do. And if not him, then whoever is called to the position. I never expected Malaetu to be the one to call for the vote of no confidence though. It is indeed long overdue. The Republic has begun to *** with feuding clans and Midular's incompetent handling of the situation makes me wonder how she could cope with the events happening in the whole of New Eden now. If those ships that turned up in Yulai really were Republic Fleet ships, it shows that very large factions of the military have also gone rogue under her leadership and the ever flowing stream of Minmatar leaving the Republic for the Federation for a better life continues. I hereby declare support for Malaetu Shakor on behalf of the Second Shakor Clan of Matar. ------ Mirkur Draug'Tyr :: Recruitment**
Paddington Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.06 11:05:00 - [35] i do enjoy how you republicans back peddle. Good to see there are still some in the republic that know what has to be done.
Haverloth 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.06.06 11:07:00 - [36] I am extremely concerned by this news. Whilst I have little respect for the squalid Republic or those who profess to lead it, with Midular at least there has been a period of relative calm, aggression by insurgent elements such as Ushra'Khan and the Defiants notwithstanding. That Midular is in the process of being ousted by one known for his outright aggression towards the Empire and the Mandate shows me the real intent of the Matari people - that their primitivism and barbarism is once more rising to the fore. I pray that this does not result in further violence to the peace-loving peoples of the Empire and its autonomous regions - rest assured, however, that any Matari aggression will not go unchecked. ____________________ http://1pg.vigilia-valeria.org
Karn Mithralia Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.06 11:14:00 - [37] Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 06/06/2008 11:15:03 Today is a good day. Rise sons and daughters of Matar, rise! -----------------------------------------
Redbad TSL Wolfpack	Posted - 2008.06.06 11:15:00 - [38] Originally by: Haverloth ... that their primitivism and barbarism ... Some more respect would have suited your otherwise well chosen words better, Centurio.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.06 11:56:00 - [39] I find it particularly amusing to see loyalists accusing people of being terrorists in a thread highlighting popular support for a change away from the current grovelling stance towards the amarr that Midular has set. I wonder if they'll be in a position to support the republic when the call finally goes out to actually take the fight to the slavers rather than sit at home profiting off the trade behind the guise of protecting the few that are free rather than doing anything about those that are not. One can only hope that with this change we gain a stronger and more aggressive leader. We might even see some old divisions healed in the face of a common enemy...
Shira d'Radonis The Amarr Mission	Posted - 2008.06.06 12:05:00 - [40] And now it appears as though Midular is not going without a fight. She has dissolved Parliament and "expelled" Shakor. There really seems to be only two options at this point: Midular's allies will have to abandon her or convince her to step down, or the Matari will have to face the high probability of civil war. And if the Matari start fighting each other, I think she'll find the Empire to be somewhat less than... "cooperative." ----------------------------------------------- ôàquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö "Our histories, one day, will absolve me..." - Shira d'Radonis
Davlos Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.06 12:15:00 - [41] Edited by: Davlos on 06/06/2008 12:18:25 I may not be part of the tribes, but I can definitely see the wisdom of the mob within Ushra'Khan. The conspiracy theories, the relentless victimisation of one individual and all the blame thrown to her... well, it's a good thing that the 'Khan have ejected themselves from the Republic. I would have hated to witness the chemotherapy. Should governance be based on the emotions and primal desires of the masses? Many a time has such a society appeared - proud of its apparent governance by the people but tyrants of other nations. Such a system may easily vote to approve to slaughter all the men of a recently sacked enemy city and enslave the women and children despite the minority voices of rationality within the crowd. One's freedom to live as one desires is one thing, but to use this freedom to make a collective mistake such as this oncoming vote is another. I thought that I was the one who's daft about politics, but if Ushra'Khan went back to school, they would've been awarded big 'F' grades in Social Studies. Especially Sapphrine. His cognitive functions are still chronically impaired from his horribly outdated cognitive software. Sapphrine. You are a shame to all with Caldari blood flowing in their veins. --- Originally by: Revan Neferis Scientific category of gravitation fields and velocity is force....
Dionisius The Circle STYX.	Posted - 2008.06.06 12:17:00 - [42] Minmatar Parliament Dissolved Looks like we have complications in the Republic. _____________________________________ I am the destroyer of worlds and the also the cokie thief.
Nachshon Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.06 12:18:00 - [43] Edited by: Nachshon on 06/06/2008 12:21:52 Allow me to clarify my views on Midular. I believe that she is not strong enough to lead the Republic. I respect her for her accomplishments, and I don't think we should abandon her vision of peace. But I don't think she should be in charge. She has proven indecisive in the past - witness her failure to respond promptly to the outcry over Karishal Muritor's death, or to the discovery of the Starkmanir in the Mandate. Being slow to react isn't a great flaw in an ordinary person, but for a leader, it is unforgivable. I have a proposal for what her position SHOULD be: diplomatic envoy to the Ammatar Mandate. Effectively, she should be our ambassador. Allow her to work for peace - but not at the cost of weakening our ability to wage war. And while I do think that an Amarr-Minmatar war would be more likely under a Shakor administration, I do think that the Republic would be better off with him in charge. I have a feeling that among his first acts would be to pronounce a zero-tolerance policy on slaving in the Republic, order an expansion of the Republic Fleet, and send a task force to Skarkon. These acts would not only strengthen the Republic directly, they would endear him to the radical elements of Matari society, and perhaps close the rift between the freedom fighters and the government. It would also give him more control over them - which might actually prevent a war. The no-confidence vote is symbolic. But it shows that Midular no longer controls the Parliament. Shakor does. If Midular tries to hold on to power, the result will be fierce partisan infighting between her and Shakor. This would paralyze the Republic at a crucial time. The Caldari and Gallente are on the brink of war. I cannot recall a time when tensions were any higher. We need to be united and able to act decisively. EDIT: That was not what I had in mind. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom My v
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.06 12:19:00 - [44] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 06/06/2008 12:20:18 REPORT: KARIN MIDULAR DISSOLVES PARLIAMENT, OUSTS SHAKOR AND YUN FROM GOVERNMENT Well, decisiveness was asked for, was it not? I am sorry, it is a serious matter and I know I should not laugh, but... I cannot help but see the irony. (Edit: linkified) -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Davlos Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.06 12:23:00 - [45] How can anyone say that Shakor presently controls Parliament despite not being an elected official, and anyone say for certain that if Shakor does get elected, he'd remain in control? This is a warmonger we're talking about. Someone who may receive at least 80% approval ratings during his first 100 days, and then have it drop at first sight of publicised defeat during some small, unimportant skirmish, raid, or battle. War costs lives. We didn't expend all of this work against slavers, organization of rehab and leading freed slaves to a new, free life to throw them into the throes of war. Don't be spouting nonsense about 'stronger leader' and 'stronger this and that pish posh' any longer. It makes me want to choke a baby with a bloody ball gag. --- Originally by: Revan Neferis Scientific category of gravitation fields and velocity is force....
Rathera D'Sarth Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.06.06 12:44:00 - [46] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 06/06/2008 12:20:18 REPORT: KARIN MIDULAR DISSOLVES PARLIAMENT, OUSTS SHAKOR AND YUN FROM GOVERNMENT Well, decisiveness was asked for, was it not? I am sorry, it is a serious matter and I know I should not laugh, but... I cannot help but see the irony. Well...that is certainly one way trying to regain control of the situation. A desperate, short term, bad way, but a way none the less. These sorts of actions start civil wars, but that assumes that there is enough support for her 'side' to win one. While a leader should be strong, they should also not respond in a knee-jerk reaction. The dismissal of the ambassador after his 'threats' and the appearance of ships to carry out said threats is perhaps...overdue, but one should not lights give the boot to a popular 'hero'. I can not even begin to understand what Shakor means the the republic's citizens, but responding to his call of 'you're not fit' with a cry of 'I cast you into exile!' was...not smart. In either case, all possible avenues for her leaving office in a dignified fashion appear to have closed.
Darius Shakor Mirkur Draug'Tyr	Posted - 2008.06.06 13:05:00 - [47] Midular dissolving the Parliament is one thing. And a bad thing at that. It reeks of sour grapes at this stage of the game and further incompetence or political ineptness. Malaetu Shakor calling for her to step down with a no confidence vote is not a shot at the Republic, just the person leading it. It would not destabilise the Republic, it would usher in new leadership that would further stabilise what is already a breaking structure. It may not even work but it was not working with Midular at the helm either so what did we have to lose? Seems now we have a greater deal to lose since Midular's so called 'decisiveness' is little more than a hissy fit. But one thing that is completely intolerable is her removal of Malaetu Shakor from the government. She does not have that power. And if anything she has now directly added to the instability in the Republic that the vote of no confidence and new leadership was geared towards preventing. Maybe this is a sign of some strength from her too. But it is too bad that this did not come a hell of a lot sooner, and she directed at the appropriate people. ------ Mirkur Draug'Tyr :: Recruitment
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.06 13:13:00 - [48] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 06/06/2008 13:13:39 Originally by: Darius Shakor But one thing that is completely intolerable is her removal of Malaetu Shakor from the government. She does not have that power. Originally by: ISD In addition, there are reports that Ambassador Keitan Yun has been relieved of his post and that Parliament Head Maleatu Shakor has been "expelled" from government. However, Karin Midular lacks the legal authority to dismiss an elected official unless evidence of a crime has been presented, which she has not yet claimed There, I put in some emphasis to help you out, Dar honey. You really should've stayed with the sensible folks, your reading comprehension is suffering again. Let's wait where it goes before jumping into conclusions, either way. Else -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Darius Shakor Mirkur Draug'Tyr	Posted - 2008.06.06 13:24:00 - [49] Reads the same to me. Emphasising that 'there are reports' does not invalidate them. They do not state the reports are unconfirmed. The other day I had reports that a member of the Vestiar family of my Clan had a bust up with clan security. It was a report of something that had happened. That is what people do when something happens, they report it. As for Midular not claiming what crimes Shakor might have committed I would ask her what her delay was. If she is going to expel someone who just called for her resignation in a public manner like this she should damn well know to declare her reasons. Otherwise she either has no such information and is, as I said, throwing a tantrum with her power and pride, or she is stringing the situation along even more which right now is the stupidest thing she could do. Validating my sentiments that she is politically incompetent and at least adding to the confusion of the situation when she should be clarifying it. In short, your highlights and emphasis changes nothing, honey. ------ Mirkur Draug'Tyr :: Recruitment
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.06 13:31:00 - [50] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 06/06/2008 13:33:03 If ISD had confirmation for those reports, do you not think they would have published the facts and the source, not just a vague rumor? You might be right, of course. But you also might not be. All I am saying is that it might make some sense to wait for verification before asking for blood. You might have noticed also from the news that security had to remove the prime minister from the session when violence broke out - that might explain some slowness in answering, no? If people would just stay calm and shut the **** up and listen, we might actually have some progress already. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Darius Shakor Mirkur Draug'Tyr	Posted - 2008.06.06 13:39:00 - [51] So you believe that Security had to escort her from the scene under siege from angry parliament members, yet you want to wait for confirmation that the reports of Yun and Shakor being expelled are true? Why then did the parliament session break down I wonder... fewer bathroom breaks between sessions maybe? Yes that must be it, or perhaps lunch was burned by the kitchen staff and called off and Midular refused to put out for sandwich delivery. In any case I do concede the point that the session was called short making for a lack of answers. But I cannot escape the fact that the timing is very suspicious. Yesterday Malaetu Shakor calls for no confidence, today he is expelled. You do the maths Elsebeth. ------ Mirkur Draug'Tyr :: Recruitment
Jacque Custeau Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2008.06.06 13:44:00 - [52] Someone needs to impale Midular with a Khumaak and leave her corpse in orbit over Matar. Don't look at me that way...you were all thinking the same thing! -------------------
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.06 13:52:00 - [53] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 06/06/2008 13:55:13 Darius, I believe that the ISD has a reason for reporting the removal of Malaetu Shakor as "there are reports that" but the violence in the parliament without that qualifier. The situation now is that we do not know what is happening, not whether Shakor has been removed at all, and if he has, on what grounds. I, for one, refuse to "do the maths", for or against anyone involved, before I hear more. Quote: Officials from the Republic Fleet, the only government branch unaffected by the turmoil, are urging people to remain calm and to refrain from spreading panic while "government processes are allowed to work". For now, Karin Midular is still the Prime Minister of the Republic for which my oath of loyalty was given. For now, Malaetu Shakor is still a speaker in the Parliament of the same nation. For now, we are not in a state of war. For now, we wait. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Redbad TSL Wolfpack	Posted - 2008.06.06 13:56:00 - [54] Out of respect for EM, UK, the Republic and foremost the Tribal Elders, TSL will refrain from further comments on this subject. TSL will assemble their Wolfpack and will answer to any offical tribal call. RB
Shira d'Radonis The Amarr Mission	Posted - 2008.06.06 14:04:00 - [55] Edited by: Shira d''Radonis on 06/06/2008 14:07:19 Given the uptick in violence between the Matari factions over the last couple of years, isn't it much more likely that Midular, having tacked so hard against the prevailing winds in the Republic, will simply be forcibly removed from power? There is a perception of illegitimacy in her actions with this dissolving of Parliament and expulsion of Shakor. Isn't that all the hardliners need at this point to stage a coup? After all, they're reporting rioting in the streets on the news now. The populace is furious over her actions. If a coup is to be attempted, now would be the time. ----------------------------------------------- ôàquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö "Our histories, one day, will absolve me..." - Shira d'Radonis
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.06 14:05:00 - [56] Whilst we're on the topic of people that are a disgrace to their people Davlos.... As for me being a shame to the Caldari, do you see them being nice and rational about a Nyx being suicided into the Ishukone HQ? No! they're ****ed off and rightly so. Great injustice requires action, not sitting around and trying to rationalise it till it goes away. Now lets look at the Republic. We have a democracy, which isn't very happy with its premier. The people have spoken, the people have rioted and the ministers have listened, considered over time and shakor has used the political system to instigate a vote of no confidence. That vote was upheld by the house meaning the premier does not have the confidence of the democratically elected body to rule. Midular's response? She has dissolved parliament which is the logical next step if she's not just going to step down. Thats fine. She's then expelled Shakor from parliament, at best a petty gesture and at worst something far more sinister. Most importantly, utterly outside of her powers as Premier. Why are the people angry? Has there been any one issue that Midular has acted catastrophically on to incite a knee jerk attack? no. (open to debate obviously but with her current book of open attrocities there's a whole range to pick from). The people are unhappy and have grown increasingly more so over a number of years. Midular has not gained anything from the policy of appeasement and our enslaved brothers and sisters continue to be oppressed. Meanwhile Amarrian paramilitaries continue to attempt to expand the empire out into null sec, enslaving millions more and fuelling the slave trade to maintain their infrastructure and the empire continues to sabre rattle over getting caught instigating covert 'reclaimings'. To top it off, and my most person issue with Midular, she personally signed the assassination order on Karishal Muritor. This was a murder I watched carried out infront of my eyes, she used the mans friendships and his honour of a parley to kill him under a flag of peace. I will agree with you on one thing though Davlos, your understaning of Politics is awful. You argue that Democracy is great unless the majority are going to act in a way you consider wrong. Then you think they shouldn't have power to make the change you percieve as wrong?! Here's a hint, when you're in a 'democracy' where the person at the top gets to decide if the majority is right or wrong based on their judgement its called Dictatorship.
Myyona Ataraxia Pharmacies	Posted - 2008.06.06 14:12:00 - [57] Originally by: Dionisius Minmatar Parliament Dissolved Looks like we have complications in the Republic. Oh dear, my fears are coming true. --- Nobody can do everything, but everybody can do nothing
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.06 14:15:00 - [58] Originally by: Shira d'Radonis Edited by: Shira d''Radonis on 06/06/2008 14:07:19 Given the uptick in violence between the Matari factions over the last couple of years, isn't it much more likely that Midular, having tacked so hard against the prevailing winds in the Republic, will simply be forcibly removed from power? There is a perception of illegitimacy in her actions with this dissolving of Parliament and expulsion of Shakor. Isn't that all the hardliners need at this point to stage a coup? After all, they're reporting rioting in the streets on the news now. The populace is furious over her actions. If a coup is to be attempted, now would be the time. or put another way, the fact that when faced with a legitimate democratic challenge, Midular appears to have dissolved parliament to give herself a breathing space rather than stand down and has then it seems taken the leader of the rebels into custody without stating a charge..... Forgive me if a coup doesn't seem the most unlikely progression when you've tried the politically correct route and the forces in power have decided to ignore it. There is still maggots 1isk bounty, seems like a lot of parliament ministers were considering claiming it if Midular had to be escorted out by security :)
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.06 14:16:00 - [59] I would remind everyone that there was a vote of no confidence to the government. The decision to dissolve the parliament and to call for re-election is quite the proper response to that. If the prime minister had not done that, the same people that are now upset about it would be upset about her not doing anything, and rightly so. I understand the alarm this instability causes when it happens on this kind of a crucial moment, and the dissatisfaction that the rumors about the expulsion of Malaetu Shakor for the remaining two months of government might cause, but let us not be unreasonable. The government processes are working as they should. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.06 14:24:00 - [60] actually there was another option Elsebeth, Midular could have stood down. I'll agree that they are within their rights to dissolve parliament however. Allegedly shackling the leader of the rebels without charge however.... not the smartest move. You'd think someone with such a prominent position would know how that would play in the press and what the average citizen might take from the coverage.

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