| Pages: 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 7 :: one page |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Evanda Char
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
   |
Posted - 2008.06.07 08:38:00 -
[121]
Edited by: Evanda Char on 07/06/2008 08:41:06
 Originally by: Sapphrine
Originally by: Evanda Char
Yes Karn, talking to someone in a bar while passing through and reading the news sometimes does not count as a clue.
Occasionally getting a ship out the hanger and flying it about doesn't make you a fighter and defender of people but you still claim to be a paramilitary group rather than apologist politicians.
From all the spluttering from EM I wander if the majority of EM will actually embrace a fight should it finally become the policy of the republic to take the fight to the Amarrians or will they simply read the official announcement, find a loop hole that doesn't order everyone to go shoot an amarrian and decide that the bit about sitting at home eating biscuits is for them.
Oh look, smacktalk from Sapphrine. What a shock.
It doesn't change the fact, you have never been a part of the Republic, you have never worked for it, you know nothing about what is going on behind the scenes. You don't know the truth.
You don't even have the faintest clue what being Matari means. You didn't even know what dissolution of Parliament was. You were born, I assume, in the State, you lived in Providence, you fight in Domain. Do you even know which worlds in the Republic are inhabited, and which lie barren? Can you even pronounce the names of our stars?
I'm sure it's very easy for you to fling yourself into murder day after day, knowing that no-one who is kith or kin of yours is on the line. It's obviously very easy for you not to think about it. You're clearly very brave and fearsome, and the multitude of slaves you've rescued through force of arms make the millions (yes, I said millions) that EM have brought home look paltry.
And if you want to know what we do when we take our ships out of the hanger and occassionally fly them about, ask the Amarr. Who, you'll note, are a damn site happier hanging about in their own space with you than they are raiding up here with us.
-Eva-
Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time |
zoolkhan
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 10:12:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Nachshon
YES!
I have long questioned Karin Midular's strength to lead. Now her resignation seems likely. I await stonger leadership in the future.
..and without that obstacle i expect more unity amongst the tribes and clans.
this was about time.
she digged her own grave. we are not heading into war, we have been in it since quiet a while
but now that half of the republic is no longer brainwashed by karin "1 isk worth" midular i expect more people to swap their luxus yacht for a combat vessel and remember those who are in need of our help
recruiting -forum
|
Stitcher
Duty.
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 10:30:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Sapphrine
Dissolving parliament for an election in two months time when a major leader is desperately needed at this time is both childish and dangerous for the republic. Transitions of power are never easy but she's making this one as rocky as possible and it all seems to point to her refusal to let go of power when, after years of increasing complaints on her leadership she's been given the ultimatum of a vote of no confidence.
I've said it elsewhere, I'll say it here.
Prior to this time twenty-four hours ago, my understanding of the Republic's political system was effectively non-existent. I knew who Karin Midular is and that was basically it.
All these news reports surrounding this issue prompted me to take a "crash course" in Minmatar politics. This crash course lasted three hours, and consisted of two books, three mnemonic data uploads, a talk show on a Vherokior tribe feed net where they interviewed a professor of politics from the Republic University, and five minutes of discussion on this GalNet board.
And yet it seems that I'm already more familiar with the way the Minmatar Government works than a lot of born-and-bred Minmatar are, and certainly the whole of the Ushra'Khan.
As I understand it, what has happened is this.
1) A vote of no confidence against Midular passes.
2) Parliament is dissolved. What this means is that no official policy can be made by any party (including Midular's). Only the autonomous functions of government persist. The only thing that has ceased is the process of having motions submitted to Parliament and voted upon. A general election will be held ASAP, as per the Republic's constitutio. Midular is unlikely to win that election.
3) One reporter who clearly doesn't actually understand what dissolving parliament actually means breaks the story in a rather sensational way, and his editors are presumably so rushed to get the story out that they fail to vet the story properly (or they suffered from the same ignorance as the reporter). The result is an inept article published on a major galactic news feed.
4) millions of Minmatar citizens, confused by their own lack of detailed knowledge of their own government's process, and disturbed by the hyped-up journalism, panic. Emigration skylaunches, riots and protests crop up everywhere. Out here in the Black, the usual wave of death threats and vitriol rolls onto GalNet and sticks.
From what I gather, dissolving parliament:
A) Was the correct and diplomatic thing to do in response to a vote of no confidence
B) Has not "destabilized" the government in any way, as autonomous functions continue to tick over
c) Is emphatically NOT the start of a power grab by Midular, because she's effectively kicked herself out of office.
Quote:
Transitions of power are never easy but she's making this one as rocky as possible and it all seems to point to her refusal to let go of power when, after years of increasing complaints on her leadership she's been given the ultimatum of a vote of no confidence.
Midular's response was to immediately strip herself of all power and hold an immediate general election which she is unlikely to win, and you think she's refusing to let go? You have your facts muddled up.
-
Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain. |
Zimarla
The House of Marek
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 11:37:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Sapphrine
Standing down after a vote of no confidence. The vote does not require a premier to stand down no but it is a VERY clear indication that they are no longer considered competent. They are well within the bounds of law to resign and for the parliament to elect a new individual in their stead. This has happened throughout political history of democracies so don't just try and pretend it can't happen.
How many times do people have to tell you U'Kers? If she "just stepped down", the majority party that put her there in the first place would still be in charge. They would either choose her again, or choose someone exactly like her. The only way for that majority party to change is for parliament to be re-elected. Only then is it likely that change will happen.
|
Dastiris Arsomon
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 11:52:00 -
[125]
I am shocked by the ignorace of the Amarrians for the political reality of their neighbors.
What happens is somethink physical to Democracies and republics. What i am although fear is that in this turbulent times we have the recent month it wouldnt be wise the Minmatars dont have a central voice as tensions with empire will become more intense.
The secret words foretell the victory of ideals. |
Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 12:12:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Evanda Char
Oh look, smacktalk from Sapphrine. What a shock.
You say smack, i say the truth hurts, acting all petty because you'd rather no one mentioned you're a bunch of apologists seems far more likely.
Originally by: Evanda Char
It doesn't change the fact, you have never been a part of the Republic, you have never worked for it, you know nothing about what is going on behind the scenes. You don't know the truth.
You don't even have the faintest clue what being Matari means. You didn't even know what dissolution of Parliament was. You were born, I assume, in the State, you lived in Providence, you fight in Domain. Do you even know which worlds in the Republic are inhabited, and which lie barren? Can you even pronounce the names of our stars?
I'm sure it's very easy for you to fling yourself into murder day after day, knowing that no-one who is kith or kin of yours is on the line. It's obviously very easy for you not to think about it. You're clearly very brave and fearsome, and the multitude of slaves you've rescued through force of arms make the millions (yes, I said millions) that EM have brought home look paltry.
You're right, they're not my kin by blood. They are my brothers in arms. I fight for a cause. I chose this path not out of revenge but out of belief and the cost was high. Losing all connections to my family to fight for a cause I believe in not enough of a sacrifice for you? Whilst we're at it, I'm happy to see EM finally admitting that sitting around doesn't get the job done as effectively as actively going out there and getting our people back. That is what you meant wasn't it?
Originally by: Evanda Char
And if you want to know what we do when we take our ships out of the hanger and occassionally fly them about, ask the Amarr. Who, you'll note, are a damn site happier hanging about in their own space with you than they are raiding up here with us.
Yes I've seen your efforts out and about, a ship here a ship there. Sometimes flying around a large formation in a parade formation yet some how getting nothing done or catching any slavers as they simply evade your slow lumbering task force.
Funny thing was, after our last two week clandestine operation into the heart of amarrian space, amarr it self we noted a distinct movement of the slavers into Minmatar space as they fled our wrath favouring their chances on yours.... they didn't seem to come back... while we were there.
Just to clarify, I have alot more respect for the fighters of PIE and VV at this point than I do for EM. VV and PIE fought tooth and nail and whilst I do not agree with their religious beliefs and their insistence on supporting slavery, I can respect their fighting spirit.
And please don't make yourself look daft quoting figures publicly like you've done in the past, you only embarass your alliance showing the minimal impact you've had on the fight to date whilst simply staying within the republic, drinking tea and eating biscuits.
|
Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 12:17:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Zimarla
How many times do people have to tell you U'Kers? If she "just stepped down", the majority party that put her there in the first place would still be in charge. They would either choose her again, or choose someone exactly like her. The only way for that majority party to change is for parliament to be re-elected. Only then is it likely that change will happen.
Think about the politics a bit. Vote of no confidenced so why would they choose her again. Party and faction politics doesn't work like that. Also, the party wishes to stay in power so it wont wish to be hit by yet another vote of no confidence. ergo, they wont choose a leader just like her.
A re-shuffle and a parliamentary elected prime minister till the next election would allow for a swift transition of rule and keep someone firmly at the helm with minimal transition chaos, something we desperately need given current events.
Sure, two months to hold an election and have a clear change would be great but events don't seem to be allowing for that atm.
Given the only part of government not collapsing atm is the republic fleet I wouldn't be the least bit suprised to see them exert a little known military edict allowing them to take control of the republic temporarily if its faced by a critical threat. I don't know for sure it exists but it wouldn't be the first time an emergency measure had been added to a constitution.
|
Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 12:20:00 -
[128]
stitcher, read up to my response outlining the three avenues available to a premier failing a vote of no confidence. Of the 3 options hers was the most destabilising. I have not said it wasn't legal, merely the one that drags things on the longest and keeps anyone from hitting the ground running right now.
|
Davlos
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 12:57:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Sapphrine
Well done, I mispelt a word. That happens when you're busy fighting a war instead of drinking tea as well as actually trying to respond to apologist pansies on a forum who seem to spend all their time sitting on galnet trying to prop up a wet flanel leader rather than learning how to fight.
Oh, this is rich.
I don't care what kind of corporation's vat you came from, but the next I see you in space, regardless of diplomacy, you will die.
---
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Scientific category of gravitation fields and velocity is force....
|
Karn Mithralia
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 13:14:00 -
[130]
And by doing so you and all of EM will become KOS to Ushra'Khan.
Is that want you want Davros, or would you perhaps better serve your people by growing thicker skin?
-----------------------------------------
|
|
|
Davlos
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 13:21:00 -
[131]
Edited by: Davlos on 07/06/2008 13:22:38
Is this not a mere reflection of what yourselves have been spouting all this while?
1 ISK bounty. Sounding familiar now?
I'm just seeing if you practice what you preach. You don't want a reasoned debate. No man, no problem.
But then again, seeing yourselves to be allied with the free of spirit, trapped in egos that the 'Freecaptains' are, I'm not too surprised of the source and alignment of the doctrine of settling ideological arguments.
---
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Scientific category of gravitation fields and velocity is force....
|
Evanda Char
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 13:25:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Karn Mithralia
And by doing so you and all of EM will become KOS to Ushra'Khan.
Is that want you want Davros, or would you perhaps better serve your people by growing thicker skin?
I'm inclined to think he has grounds for an honour duel. Let's face it, Sapphrine has repeatedly insulted every single member of Electus Matari. I've said it before and I'll, sadly, say it again. Ignorance is not a point of view.
-Eva-
Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time |
Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 13:29:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Evanda Char
I'm inclined to think he has grounds for an honour duel. Let's face it, Sapphrine has repeatedly insulted every single member of Electus Matari. I've said it before and I'll, sadly, say it again. Ignorance is not a point of view.
actually i've been quite pleasant about 17th given their willingness to commit to fighting if the republic say so :)
|
Karin Katari
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 13:32:00 -
[134]
I could use more target practice. Keep fighting with my comrades, specifically my commander and I'll show you just how much I enjoy having another alliance to shoot at.
|
Evanda Char
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 13:32:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Sapphrine
Originally by: Evanda Char
I'm inclined to think he has grounds for an honour duel. Let's face it, Sapphrine has repeatedly insulted every single member of Electus Matari. I've said it before and I'll, sadly, say it again. Ignorance is not a point of view.
actually i've been quite pleasant about 17th given their willingness to commit to fighting if the republic say so :)
Was that while they were mining? Or when they undocked in a ship and flew about in it a bit?
-Eva-
Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time |
Rocius
Gradient
Electus Matari
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 13:34:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Sapphrine
actually i've been quite pleasant about 17th given their willingness to commit to fighting if the republic say so :)
Which has been long standing policy in EM. If the orders are given to fight, we fight. Untill those orders come, we do what needs to be done here at home. How strange that you seem pleased if it comes to a fight, but otherwise, its nothing more than a grounds to insult us. Yet another example of U'K politics seeing what they want when they want, and only if its fits their typical rhetoric.
|
Evanda Char
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 13:38:00 -
[137]
Edited by: Evanda Char on 07/06/2008 13:38:41
Originally by: Sapphrine
And please don't make yourself look daft quoting figures publicly like you've done in the past, you only embarass your alliance showing the minimal impact you've had on the fight to date whilst simply staying within the republic, drinking tea and eating biscuits.
Those weren't the alliance's figures. They were mine. And I can understand why you wouldn't want facts to interrupt your diatribe, after all, you haven't used any so far.
As for the minimal impact we've had, we had people in Amarr in the last two weeks. During your active hours. They didn't see you. Saw plenty of PIE though. That's an impressively covert operation.
-Eva-
Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time |
Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 13:39:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Rocius
Which has been long standing policy in EM. If the orders are given to fight, we fight. Untill those orders come, we do what needs to be done here at home. How strange that you seem pleased if it comes to a fight, but otherwise, its nothing more than a grounds to insult us. Yet another example of U'K politics seeing what they want when they want, and only if its fits their typical rhetoric.
the same could well be said of EM, CVA, PIE, VV or in fact any of the paramilitary groups. We all have different view points and when they clash the other side will always see the facts differently. Welcome to politics.
|
Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 13:42:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Evanda Char
Edited by: Evanda Char on 07/06/2008 13:38:41
Originally by: Sapphrine
And please don't make yourself look daft quoting figures publicly like you've done in the past, you only embarass your alliance showing the minimal impact you've had on the fight to date whilst simply staying within the republic, drinking tea and eating biscuits.
Those weren't the alliance's figures. They were mine. And I can understand why you wouldn't want facts to interrupt your diatribe, after all, you haven't used any so far.
As for the minimal impact we've had, we had people in Amarr in the last two weeks. During your active hours. They didn't see you. Saw plenty of PIE though. That's an impressively covert operation.
would those be the two weeks since we left? Glad to see you're coming to the party a bit more, shame it was a touch late. So, as loyalists observing the border, what were your guys doing in Amarr? :)
|
Drauqhk Shathet
Gradient
Electus Matari
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 13:46:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Arkady Sadik
Originally by: Drauqhk Shathet
What it means is that Karin Midular has effectively prevented anyone from doing anything she does not personally approve of for at least two months.
Where did you get that idea?
The prime minister is part of parliament. She's basically "dissolved" with the rest of parliament. There is no "dictatorship" now. There is a transitional period in which the old parliament will continue to rule, as it has before, except that there will be no new laws to affect the election.
Stop making up policies out of thin air. A vote for no confidence means that the prime minister has to dissolve parliament to make way for new elections. That is the proper governmental process. There is no evil Midular trying to cling to power. She is doing exactly what she was asked to do by the vote of no confidence.
If people would just stop coming up with ridiculous claims that have no hold in reality and let the governmental processes continue, we'd all be better off. If you dislike this process, please direct your dislike at Shakor for causing it. If you think it was good what he did, then stop complaining about it.
So who now acts for the Republic? Who makes decisions if not the Prime Minister? If she has included herself in the dissolution of parliament, then she has done us all a great disservice in leaving us without leadership.
You say that she had to dissolve parliament, I say that there were other choices open to her. You state that there will be no new laws to affect the election, I am saying that there will be no new laws to affect anything. I did not explicitly say that she was clinging to power, but you seem to be acknowledging such when you state that the old parliament will continue to rule but it is powerless to make changes, so therefore, Midular remains in charge when clearly the majority that put her in power no longer exists.
I am genuinely saddened that parliament has become so one sided and that what good Prime Minister Midular has done in the past is so easily swept away. I do not wish to move the Republic towards war but how can I support Karin Midular when she is clearly no longer the voice of her people. Until she is duly replaced by a successor lawfully chosen by the people, I will support her as the head of state of the Republic as is my duty, but I can no longer defend her choices as what is best for the Republic.
Do what you can, with what you have, where you are |
|
|
Evanda Char
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 13:51:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Sapphrine
Originally by: Evanda Char
Edited by: Evanda Char on 07/06/2008 13:38:41
Originally by: Sapphrine
And please don't make yourself look daft quoting figures publicly like you've done in the past, you only embarass your alliance showing the minimal impact you've had on the fight to date whilst simply staying within the republic, drinking tea and eating biscuits.
Those weren't the alliance's figures. They were mine. And I can understand why you wouldn't want facts to interrupt your diatribe, after all, you haven't used any so far.
As for the minimal impact we've had, we had people in Amarr in the last two weeks. During your active hours. They didn't see you. Saw plenty of PIE though. That's an impressively covert operation.
would those be the two weeks since we left? Glad to see you're coming to the party a bit more, shame it was a touch late. So, as loyalists observing the border, what were your guys doing in Amarr? :)
You'll note that the person who referred to guarding the border wasn't me.
And funny thing, I've noticed that ships explode just as luridly outside of Amarr. And without all that annoying shrieking from the Navy and Customs.
-Eva-
Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time |
Dante Karaal
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 13:52:00 -
[142]
Children of Matar, it becomes clearer by the day that a cancer has taken root in the Republic for which there may be no cure.
Tribal unity and pride has been drowning in bureaucracy and appeasement for far too long. There are whispers that war is coming, they are wrong; WAR IS ALREADY UPON YOU. It has been so since the day the first of us was taken by the shackles of slavery.
How long will you sit back and allow the freedoms of ALL matari to be trampled on so flagrantly to preserve a peace which exists only in the minds of the ignorant and apathetic?
Electus Matari: renounce the witch Midular and save a shred of honour or go down with her - I care not which - matar has use for neither cowards nor conspirators when faced with the ever looming threat of the Empire.
|
Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 13:54:00 -
[143]
well it appears that Davlos is both incapable of fighting for either honour or come to chat, whichever he was planning to do.
I just came to have a chat in Gulfonodi and as soon as offer a place and a location he just seemed to dissapear.... funny that. No fighting spirit, nor even the manners to respond to an offer to talk in person.
|
Rocius
Gradient
Electus Matari
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 14:15:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Dante Karaal
Children of Matar, it becomes clearer by the day that a cancer has taken root ...... for which there may be no cure.
I have long said that the policies of the U'K are as such.
Originally by: Dante Karaal
How long will you sit back and allow the freedoms of ALL matari to be trampled on so flagrantly by the minds of the ignorant and apathetic?
U'K has been at this very thing for years already
Originally by: Dante Karaal
Electus Matari: renounce the witch Midular and save a shred of honour or go down with her - I care not which - matar has use for neither cowards nor conspirators when faced with the ever looming threat of the Empire.
Or, how about you stop being cowards and conspirators by working against the elected government that our people chose. If the people chose Midular again, then what? Where does that leave you, yet again? I am sure rattling your sabres as always. It doesnt mater what happens, the U'K will likely always see only what they want to see, and damn the realities.
Who tried to wrest control of low sec MH? ...Fail
Who tried to establish their own little nation..... Epic Fail.
Who has split Matari forces, wasted countless billions of isk, assets and untold lives in an ill concieved and poorly planned attempt to carve out their own little nation because they didnt get what they wanted right then and ther? Epic Win.
Yeah, be proud of that...
I should have long learned that trying to speak resonably and open with some of the members of the U'K is a waste of breath and time. There are still many members of the U'K that are resonable and decent people, its a shame that those often enough with the least clue, are the most vocal.
|
Poreuomai
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 14:21:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Rocius
If the orders are given to fight, we fight.
I am slightly confused, as I've done several tasks for the republic where I was asked to attack specific Amarr ships.
Never the less, brothers, I would humbly request that unity be a high priority amoung us Minmatar at this time.
|
Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 14:25:00 -
[146]
Rocius, you call us cowards, your guy just dissapeared as soon as i entered local. Lets try that again, pick a low sec system if you want to have a chat and pass it to me and we can talk about this in person.
If you feel that we are cowards lets see if one of you is even willing to meet me in space.
|
Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 14:31:00 -
[147]
EM leadership, pick a spokeperson who is actually allowed to speak for you and do pick your stance. Will you support Davlos and his kin if they fire on U'K pilots or will you turn a blind eye to this warmongering. I find it amusing that you are incapable of such fighting talk to the amarrians but when faced with a group of freedom fighters freeing minmatar people you're more willing to offer to try and kill them on sight.
For all you like objecting to our stance, at least we're clear about it. EM seems like a ship up a certain creek without paddle or helmsman.
|
Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 14:42:00 -
[148]
Quote:
So who now acts for the Republic? Who makes decisions if not the Prime Minister? If she has included herself in the dissolution of parliament, then she has done us all a great disservice in leaving us without leadership.
Ok, I seem to have problems explaining this. I'll try again.
A vote of no confidence is a tool useable by parliament to express dissatisfaction with the prime minister. It is not legally binding in any way, it is mainly advisory. The prime minister can completely ignore it. There is nothing legally binding about it.
If the prime minister chooses not to ignore it, the best option to reinstate confidence into the government after a vote of no confidence is to call for re-elections. The only way for the prime minister to call for premature re-elections is to dissolve parliament.
"Dissolution of parliament" is the only way for the prime minister to force re-elections. What it means is that parliament arranges for re-elections at the earliest possible moment, but to keep the Republic from falling apart, effectively continues to govern until the elections happen.
There is no possibility for a new government to come out of nowhere and replace the old. This is the one and only way for the prime minister to actually change the government, as a vote of no confidence would request.
So to sum up, the normal, expected, and usual steps are:
1) Vote of no confidence
2) Dissolution of parliament and re-elections
3) New parliament is elected and replaces the old
Calling for (1) but then saying (2) is bad does not work. You can have all of it, or none of it.
Quote:
You say that she had to dissolve parliament, I say that there were other choices open to her.
Yes. As the vote of no confidence is not legally binding in any way, she could have ignored it. Would you have preferred that?
Quote:
You state that there will be no new laws to affect the election, I am saying that there will be no new laws to affect anything.
That is perfectly true. If you think this is bad, please direct any complaints at Shakor for calling a vote of no confidence, as that was the expected result when that happened.
Quote:
I did not explicitly say that she was clinging to power, [...] so therefore, Midular remains in charge when clearly the majority that put her in power no longer exists.
You do realize that it is somewhat weird to claim someone is clinging to power if they just removed themselves in the only legal way they have?
Quote:
Until she is duly replaced by a successor lawfully chosen by the people, I will support her as the head of state of the Republic as is my duty, but I can no longer defend her choices as what is best for the Republic.
No one asked you to.
There will be elections as soon as possible. Please stop giving weird ideas like Midular "clinging to power" while government processes are allowed to work. Midular did the one thing she was asked to, and we'll now see where it goes.
|
Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 14:50:00 -
[149]
Now now Rocius, you want to talk about facts and facing them..
Ushra'Khan based in Molden Heath to strike at the Amarr. To help protect the locals of this border region we launched anti-pirate operations and helped form the Molden Heath Security Force. After the assassination of the Emperor the gates in the area were shut down. We moved to Amamake to bring us closer to the Amarr Empire.
Ushra'Khan built an outpost as a battle platform to hold back Amarrian expansion in Providence. We fought constantly in enemy territory for over a year causing substantial damage and holding their expansion at bay. We managed to expand to two outposts but were eventually overrun by the slavers and their minions.
Who has wasted lives trying to carve out a nation. Not us, that has never been our goal. We seek to free our people and end slavery by any means. Was it Electus Matari? Of course not, lets look at at that....
..
..
.. You broadcast drivel on IGS. As all the cool Gallente kids say, fail tres epic.
We have never hidden what we do or why. Where we have failed, we have failed specatacularly because we went against all the odds in the name of what is right. We survived, we have moved to new fronts. We go on, the war continues. I would rather that than be as mediocre and as impotent as you.
|
Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2008.06.07 14:52:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Arkady Sadik
If the prime minister chooses not to ignore it, the best option to reinstate confidence into the government after a vote of no confidence is to call for re-elections. The only way for the prime minister to call for premature re-elections is to dissolve parliament.
not true. For someone accusing people of ignoring the truth you're doing it an awful lot.
Originally by: Arkady Sadik
"Dissolution of parliament" is the only way for the prime minister to force re-elections. What it means is that parliament arranges for re-elections at the earliest possible moment, but to keep the Republic from falling apart, effectively continues to govern until the elections happen.
Again not true. They do not govern, they caretake. There is a notable difference in powers.
Originally by: Arkady Sadik
1) Vote of no confidence
2) Dissolution of parliament and re-elections
3) New parliament is elected and replaces the old
Calling for (1) but then saying (2) is bad does not work. You can have all of it, or none of it.
Funnily enough they can because she had options available that wouldn't have left the republic in quite such a state of disarray. You keep claiming to be loyalist but all i'm seeing are die hard fanatics to Midular and not the republic.
You refuse to acknowlege that the Premier could have stood down and a new leader have been selected, you refuse to acknowledge she could have called for a vote of confidence if she felt she had support.
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 7 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |