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Streikeer	Posted - 2008.06.12 01:00:00 - [1] What's the best way to counter rooks and falcons? heavy eccm? and what ship (interceptor? elect. attack ship?) would be the best platform??
Atsuko Ratu VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.06.12 01:06:00 - [2] Bad falcons + rooks will die to anything nano, with each nano ship going after them increasing the chance of falcon death. Good falcons (and rooks I suppose) are extremely hard to kill. They are easy to counter, but the better pilots will simply warp if anything has a remote chance of killing them. In my opinion, the best way to kill a falcon would get a ECCMed vagabond. Hope he misses the first few cycles of jam and get your buddies to warp in on him. Solo? ECCMed rook with tackle.
Lithalnas Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.06.12 01:08:00 - [3] sniper sensor boosted battleships, lots of them. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
NoNah	Posted - 2008.06.12 01:11:00 - [4] Get some speed on an ishtar, and some eccm or remote eccm and it's a goner. If you can get a good warp-in on him, you can run multiple eccms on the ishtar itself, and even if he does get a jam in, you can normally bump him while the drones pick up the last pieces of hull. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 709435
Yoko Lee	Posted - 2008.06.12 01:11:00 - [5] Arazu to damp the falcon, no range = no lock for falcon. Curse with 2x eccm can target and kill falcon/rook Sniper with some eccm. But difficult to kill a good pilot falcon (i never lose my falcon), bs with 2x eccm not easy to jam, damp can block me, other falcon/rook.
Tai Paktu Mortis Incarnatus	Posted - 2008.06.12 01:11:00 - [6] Arazu - Anti-Falcon 1x Cov-Ops Cloak 3x Dual 150mm Railgun II (Spike M) 1x 10MN MWD II 1x Medium Electrochem Booster (400s) 2x Remote Sensor Damp II or Phased Muon (Targeting Range Damp) 1x Whatever Disruptor you like 1x ECCM II 2x ODI II 2x Nano II Rigs: Whatever, I use e-war rigs Drones: 4x Valk IIs or 3x Valk IIs and 2x Warrior IIs Sensor strength of 50ish, more if you overload the ECCM. With even decent skills you will damp the Falcon to below the range he can point you unless he has a sensor booster. Get to around 45km without being seen, decloak, target, damp, ?, profit. ______ http://eve-files.com/sig/TaiPaktu/sig3.PNG
Stuart Price Black Water.	Posted - 2008.06.12 01:12:00 - [7] 1. BM Falcon's jam location. 2. Get a Pilgrim. 3. Park Pilgrim near that location and wait for Falcon to reappear. 4. ?????? 5. Profit. Failing that, blob it with interceptors, get some 250k range heavy ECCM snipers or just fit a crapton of ECCM. With 2 ECCM fitted to a bs, a Falcons jam chance drops through the floor. "I got soul but I'm not a soldier"
Lyria Skydancer Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.12 01:13:00 - [8] Not much, that's the point and that's why half of eve uses it. In fleets you bring your own falcon/rook, in small gangs you do that too. I mean if you really want to counter EW the best way is to counter it with another falcon/rook. The sad truth.
Tai Paktu Mortis Incarnatus	Posted - 2008.06.12 01:18:00 - [9] Here's another. Eagle - Anti-Support Sniper 5x 200mm Railgun II (Spike) [empty] 2x ECCM - Grav II 2x F-90 Positional Subroutine (Targeting Range) 3 Mag Stab IIs 1x Tracking Enhancer II Rigs 1x Hybrid Collision 1x Ancilliary Current Router When you hit him, he will leave. 158km optimal, 64.7 sensor strength,
Lyria Skydancer Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.12 01:21:00 - [10] Originally by: Tai Paktu Here's another. Eagle - Anti-Support Sniper 5x 200mm Railgun II (Spike) [empty] 2x ECCM - Grav II 2x F-90 Positional Subroutine (Targeting Range) 3 Mag Stab IIs 1x Tracking Enhancer II Rigs 1x Hybrid Collision 1x Ancilliary Current Router When you hit him, he will leave. 158km optimal, 64.7 sensor strength, Yes eccm eagle is basically the only good and viable counter except falcons/rooks.
Streikeer	Posted - 2008.06.12 01:27:00 - [11] all good info. what's the best Gallente ship for this purpose? Arazu? Lachesis? Keres?
Atsuko Ratu VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.06.12 01:31:00 - [12] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Not much, that's the point and that's why half of eve uses it. In fleets you bring your own falcon/rook, in small gangs you do that too. I mean if you really want to counter EW the best way is to counter it with another falcon/rook. The sad truth. Or read the useful posts above you.
NoNah	Posted - 2008.06.12 01:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Streikeer all good info. what's the best Gallente ship for this purpose? Arazu? Lachesis? Keres? I'm gonna go ahead and presume you didn't read my post about it. Keres does not have the range nor even firewpower to do it. Arazu and lachesis could in theory, presuming you have sweet skills and manage to get a lock on it, it has no more than one sensor booster and you can do with only three midslots. (IE MWD, injector and point or MWD and point for the arazu). I'd still go with some sort of a hac ishtar probably being the most suited one.
Kebast	Posted - 2008.06.12 01:43:00 - [14] The Red One will usually trump the Rook depending on what game you're playing...
Lyria Skydancer Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.12 01:46:00 - [15] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Not much, that's the point and that's why half of eve uses it. In fleets you bring your own falcon/rook, in small gangs you do that too. I mean if you really want to counter EW the best way is to counter it with another falcon/rook. The sad truth. Or read the useful posts above you. I said not much. Eagle only viable except rook/falcon = not much that can counter a rook/falcon.
Atsuko Ratu VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.06.12 02:06:00 - [16] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Not much, that's the point and that's why half of eve uses it. In fleets you bring your own falcon/rook, in small gangs you do that too. I mean if you really want to counter EW the best way is to counter it with another falcon/rook. The sad truth. Or read the useful posts above you. I said not much. Eagle only viable except rook/falcon = not much that can counter a rook/falcon. ECCMed ishtar?
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.12 02:17:00 - [17] I've seen the Curse be really quite excellent at killing Falcons/rooks. They miss the first cycle, and they simply don't have the capacitor for the next one. -Liang
Gark32 X Bane X Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.06.12 02:28:00 - [18] well, to counter it i usually use a blackbird with a Gravimetric backup cluster and an ECCM. to kill it (or run it off) i use a scorpion with cruises and a gravimetric cluster and two ECCM. scorpion setup like that has a sensor strength of about 108-112 -- nearly unjammable, and a fine ECM sponge.
Lyria Skydancer Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.12 03:21:00 - [19] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu ECCMed ishtar? What? No that is not effective enough, curse isnt either. You need instant damage on it or instant disabling (ecm). Why? Because falcons tend to have several bookmarks all over the places they operate in. Have you actually tried any of these counters? I just feel everyone is just throwing suggestions here without even knowing how badly they actually work.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.12 03:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Atsuko Ratu ECCMed ishtar? What? No that is not effective enough, curse isnt either. You need instant damage on it or instant disabling (ecm). Why? Because falcons tend to have several bookmarks all over the places they operate in. Have you actually tried any of these counters? I just feel everyone is just throwing suggestions here without even knowing how badly they actually work. It works... especially the Curse. You don't even have to special fit it. -Liang
Lyria Skydancer Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.12 03:23:00 - [21] Originally by: Liang Nuren I've seen the Curse be really quite excellent at killing Falcons/rooks. They miss the first cycle, and they simply don't have the capacitor for the next one. -Liang First off you need a nano curse. And you need to fit ECCM. Why not just get a sniper ECCM eagle instead? It can do it's normal job just as well and kill off falcons. You want instant damage on the falcon wich basically only a eccm eagle can give.
Lyria Skydancer Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.12 03:25:00 - [22] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Atsuko Ratu ECCMed ishtar? What? No that is not effective enough, curse isnt either. You need instant damage on it or instant disabling (ecm). Why? Because falcons tend to have several bookmarks all over the places they operate in. Have you actually tried any of these counters? I just feel everyone is just throwing suggestions here without even knowing how badly they actually work. It works... especially the Curse. You don't even have to special fit it. -Liang No eccm on curse? You want to fly 150km with it and then hope for it to miss a cycle? Its more likely that he will simply warp to his 150km blow gate point wich is 300km off you by then and you'll fail. I'm sorry but a freaky accident curse killing a noob falcon doesn't count. Curse just doesn't do it good enough. You need instant damage on it to totally disable it's effect on your gang.
Gark32 X Bane X Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.06.12 03:57:00 - [23] Edited by: Gark32 on 12/06/2008 03:58:25 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer What? No that is not effective enough, curse isnt either. You need instant damage on it or instant disabling (ecm). Why? Because falcons tend to have several bookmarks all over the places they operate in. Have you actually tried any of these counters? I just feel everyone is just throwing suggestions here without even knowing how badly they actually work. as far as killing it, i've never seen the scorp's cruises actually land, cause no falcon pilot is gonna hang around for 30 seconds or whatever after they see the pretty glowing lights. that part, at least, is theoretical. actually the only time i've ever heard of a falcon dying is when it hangs around too long getting gangmates out, or gets caught in a freak dictor bubble and takes too much owwy to survive. neither scenario is common. i would imagine that a very lucky nanogang with a sabre could do it, but i don't see it being very likely. edit: i suppose maybe an arty-maelstrom or something might be able to alpha one. again, not very likely that you're gonna one-shot it, and you're not gonna get a second.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.12 03:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer No eccm on curse? You want to fly 150km with it and then hope for it to miss a cycle? Its more likely that he will simply warp to his 150km blow gate point wich is 300km off you by then and you'll fail. I'm sorry but a freaky accident curse killing a noob falcon doesn't count. Curse just doesn't do it good enough. You need instant damage on it to totally disable it's effect on your gang. I can't decide if you're an idiot or not. You know better than this. -Liang
Opertone SIEGE.	Posted - 2008.06.12 04:31:00 - [25] 2 cruise FOF ravens... this is the counter, which means falcon will not dare to attack ravens. FOF cruise manticores can help counter the falcon, by which i mean scare off... killing the falcon depends upon falcon pilot's mistakes. i can suggest a covops to locate the falcon pilot bookmarks and to give warp on top point.
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.06.12 04:47:00 - [26] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Lyria Skydancer No eccm on curse? You want to fly 150km with it and then hope for it to miss a cycle? Its more likely that he will simply warp to his 150km blow gate point wich is 300km off you by then and you'll fail. I'm sorry but a freaky accident curse killing a noob falcon doesn't count. Curse just doesn't do it good enough. You need instant damage on it to totally disable it's effect on your gang. I can't decide if you're an idiot or not. You know better than this. -Liang I personally was pleased and surprised to get a free set of bookmarks around every gate and station when I bought my first falcon. It really does give an advantage that no other ship can possibly match, for no effort whatsoever. Also a short note explaining how it's an exploit to use a sniper-fit apoc to two-volley Falcons. That was reassuring, let me tell you. Oh and Sensor Integrity gang warfare links are only used by terrorists. And my alt.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.06.12 05:08:00 - [27] Originally by: Lithalnas sniper sensor boosted battleships, lots of them. Lots of them? I have to disagree here. On a ship that is protected by distance and electronic mumbo jumbo, it doesn't take much firepower to drive them from the field. If my falcons start getting SCRATCHED I'm probably thinking hard about warping. Even the Rokh, which does WOEFUL damage for it's ship class at fleet ranges will punch through the Falcon's slim buffer in mere seconds. ONE sniper battleship that isn't jammed is enough. Hell, one ship in firing range that isn't jammed is enough to make most falcon pilots nervous. If you want a perfect anti-falcon/rook ship, look no further than the Apoc. 8 Tachy's against the weakest resist on the falcon means a single volley removes the shield - enough to send even hardened falcon pilots running unless they have good reason to believe the apoc is going down before he fires a second volley. A single ECCM combined with the propensity of many falcon pilots to have only ONE Amarr racial jammer on board means that you'll get to spend 60% or more of your time blasting away.
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2008.06.12 05:29:00 - [28] Originally by: Gark32 actually the only time i've ever heard of a falcon dying is when it... takes too much owwy to survive. I think alot of other ships have that problem too. IMO best counters would be your own ECM boat or a BS Sniper. Nano is a slim possibility, but will most likely just make the Falcon/Rook move rather than killing it. All the other ships suggested so far are simply too specialized to perform any other function in the gang. ECCM Eagle will get massacred by the oppossing gangmates. Same with Arazu. Nanos end up wasting time running around without any profitable results. Gotta remember that you are not fighting JUST the Falcon/Rook, you are fighting it's entire gang.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.12 05:36:00 - [29] whine on the forums duh! and yes battleships with an eccm (or two), and enough range to hit at 200km +/- 20, preferably +
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.06.12 05:37:00 - [30] Originally by: Lithalnas sniper sensor boosted battleships, lots of them. One will take it out If the pilot setup for max E-war then there will be no tank so it will be open to 2-3 hits max. Local and Covert cloaking Idea

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