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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.16 09:00:00 -
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Damn this thread reminds me why I took the day off to play Mass Effect. Great game.
-Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved. |
Kano Sekor
modro CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.06.16 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Damn this thread reminds me why I took the day off to play Mass Effect. Great game.
-Liang
Really ive heard Mass effect is quite repetitive?
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.16 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kano Sekor
Originally by: Liang Nuren Damn this thread reminds me why I took the day off to play Mass Effect. Great game.
-Liang
Really ive heard Mass effect is quite repetitive?
That's what reminded her.
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The Tzar
Malicious Intentions Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.16 12:20:00 -
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Yet another fact filled, opinion free, adult discussion on EvE-O forums. * stretches and yawns * that was a nice dream...
What is this about ECCM not being an effective counter to ECM? Show me another form of anti EWAR that is more effective? Nearly 100% boost in racial signal strength, therefore reducing the effectiveness of ECM by half.
Compare that to damps vs sensor boosters and its only about half as effective against as ECCM.
Tracking disruptors have an even weaker counter than that.
If stasis webified you can fire up the MWD, but this still has much less of an effect on your speed than ECCM does to your signal strength.
Target painting, is there even a specific counter for it?
If everyone stopped yelling nerf like spoilt little children then CCP wouldn't be pressured into making these quick and unbalanced changes.
If I want to avoid being neuted I HAVE to bring an injector to combat it. Why should ECM be any different?
For a falcon to be useful at all in lowsec the pilot has to have an enormous range of jam spots >150km from gates to engage.
Do any other recons have to do this?
No because they can all complete their EWAR AND nano AND fit a buffer AND do some dps.
I bet you that a higher proportion of fielded falcons are popped everday than any other EWAR ship.
Please stop crying nerf, you know how to combat this ship, just do it rather than expecting the devs to do it for you.
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Etho Demerzel
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Well it doesnt really matter what you and I think. CCP ignoring pilgrims and arazus must indicate that they are fine right? Go take it up with them.
CCP always takes its time to fix problems. Care to remember how much time did it take them to improve the Apocalypse? See?
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kano Sekor
Originally by: Liang Nuren Damn this thread reminds me why I took the day off to play Mass Effect. Great game.
-Liang
Really ive heard Mass effect is quite repetitive?
It's not as repetitive as this thread, and nor is it as repetitive as raising a kid.
I'm not really all that far into it though (just an afternoon of playing). So far, the thing I like about it the most is the Codex and their idea on humanity's importance on the galactic scale.
Honestly, you could also consider Advent Rising (Available on Steam) if you like the idea of Human/Alien politics.
-Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved. |
Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Well it doesnt really matter what you and I think. CCP ignoring pilgrims and arazus must indicate that they are fine right? Go take it up with them.
CCP always takes its time to fix problems. Care to remember how much time did it take them to improve the Apocalypse? See?
And do you remember the reason they decided to change it after so many years of suckage?
I'll quote ccp:
"There have been a lot of requests (to put it mildly) and petitions to do "something" about the so called Amarr problem. Most of those are about Amarr not being competitive when it comes to damage output and therefore not a viable race to fly in PVP"
You see, they seem to need a big riot before they change something that is obviously broken. I provide that in areas I find broken.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.06.16 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Kano Sekor
Originally by: Liang Nuren Damn this thread reminds me why I took the day off to play Mass Effect. Great game.
-Liang
Really ive heard Mass effect is quite repetitive?
It's not as repetitive as this thread, and nor is it as repetitive as raising a kid.
I'm not really all that far into it though (just an afternoon of playing). So far, the thing I like about it the most is the Codex and their idea on humanity's importance on the galactic scale.
Honestly, you could also consider Advent Rising (Available on Steam) if you like the idea of Human/Alien politics.
-Liang
Mass Effect's gameplay is certainly somewhat repetative and some of the interfaces (the inventory for example) are fairly terrible. The story is nothing we haven't heard before elsewhere.
That being said, the entire experience is presented so well that I was willing to overlook these flaws. Though COD4 took my vote for best game of last year, Mass Effect was solidly a number 2.
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.16 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Well it doesnt really matter what you and I think. CCP ignoring pilgrims and arazus must indicate that they are fine right? Go take it up with them.
CCP always takes its time to fix problems. Care to remember how much time did it take them to improve the Apocalypse? See?
And do you remember the reason they decided to change it after so many years of suckage?
I'll quote ccp:
"There have been a lot of requests (to put it mildly) and petitions to do "something" about the so called Amarr problem. Most of those are about Amarr not being competitive when it comes to damage output and therefore not a viable race to fly in PVP"
You see, they seem to need a big riot before they change something that is obviously broken. I provide that in areas I find broken.
Why not campaign for the Pilgrim, which is widely reckoned to be gimped then?
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.06.16 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Derek Sigres on 16/06/2008 18:32:20
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Well it doesnt really matter what you and I think. CCP ignoring pilgrims and arazus must indicate that they are fine right? Go take it up with them.
CCP always takes its time to fix problems. Care to remember how much time did it take them to improve the Apocalypse? See?
And do you remember the reason they decided to change it after so many years of suckage?
I'll quote ccp:
"There have been a lot of requests (to put it mildly) and petitions to do "something" about the so called Amarr problem. Most of those are about Amarr not being competitive when it comes to damage output and therefore not a viable race to fly in PVP"
You see, they seem to need a big riot before they change something that is obviously broken. I provide that in areas I find broken.
Why not campaign for the Pilgrim, which is widely reckoned to be gimped then?
Because the nerfbat swings harder and more frequently than the boost stick would be my guess.
A big part of the Amarr damage boost was done in the form of a nerf to everyone's EM resistance afterall.
That being said, I LIKE amarr ships - I have more fun flying them in spite of my heavy SP investment in caldari missile tomfoolery and shield jiggering. I'm sorely tempted to train Amarr Cruiser V so I can hop into Zealots, Sac's and Curses.
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.16 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Why not campaign for the Pilgrim, which is widely reckoned to be gimped then?
Have you seen the 100 page long thread about the pilgrim? Look at the date of that original post of that long pilgrim thread. After that you tell me if ccp has even mentioned doing anything about it.
There is no other conclusion to make then: Hoping for nerfs is better then hoping for buffs.
You take it up with ccp if you have problem with their balancing attitude. Not me.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.16 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Derek Sigres
Mass Effect's gameplay is certainly somewhat repetative and some of the interfaces (the inventory for example) are fairly terrible. The story is nothing we haven't heard before elsewhere.
That being said, the entire experience is presented so well that I was willing to overlook these flaws. Though COD4 took my vote for best game of last year, Mass Effect was solidly a number 2.
I'm holding out for Spore to determine best game of the year, but so far, Mass Effect has #1 for this year. I haven't picked up COD4.
-Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved. |
Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.16 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Malcanis
Why not campaign for the Pilgrim, which is widely reckoned to be gimped then?
Have you seen the 100 page long thread about the pilgrim? Look at the date of that original post of that long pilgrim thread. After that you tell me if ccp has even mentioned doing anything about it.
There is no other conclusion to make then: Hoping for nerfs is better then hoping for buffs.
You take it up with ccp if you have problem with their balancing attitude. Not me.
Your thinking is broken. I don't want to talk with you any more in case I get any on me.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge XIII Legio
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Posted - 2008.06.16 19:57:00 -
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Worst.
Thread.
EVER...
There are countless ways to counter ECM that are effective.
I said counter not kill - the point of that ship is to stay alive.
Sniper ships with ECCM. Every race has them. If your opponent bothers with ECM, you should bother to have a sniper in your gang.
Inty + high sensor strength ship combo. Inty goes towards ECM ship - high sensor strength ship warps to inty and drives off falcon. This is what I meant when I suggested the stealth bomber on page 3. 72 sensor strength is quite effective at making the Falcon leave one way or another.
I like small ships having weak sensor strength - it makes ECM effective against nano gangs and tacklers. It allows you to escape. Large ships with lots of dps on the other hands can still attack and potentially destroy an ECM ship.
Lyria - enough of you trying to make this Gank and Tank online. You picked Amar - that's what they do - not every other race should function in a gank and tank mentality.
OK back to the crapfest this thread has become. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
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Etho Demerzel
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.06.16 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
And do you remember the reason they decided to change it after so many years of suckage?
I'll quote ccp:
"There have been a lot of requests (to put it mildly) and petitions to do "something" about the so called Amarr problem. Most of those are about Amarr not being competitive when it comes to damage output and therefore not a viable race to fly in PVP"
You see, they seem to need a big riot before they change something that is obviously broken. I provide that in areas I find broken.
I pity you, Lyria. You have serious problems if you really believe this. You should see a terapeut about your paranoia...
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.06.16 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
And do you remember the reason they decided to change it after so many years of suckage?
I'll quote ccp:
"There have been a lot of requests (to put it mildly) and petitions to do "something" about the so called Amarr problem. Most of those are about Amarr not being competitive when it comes to damage output and therefore not a viable race to fly in PVP"
You see, they seem to need a big riot before they change something that is obviously broken. I provide that in areas I find broken.
I pity you, Lyria. You have serious problems if you really believe this. You should see a terapeut about your paranoia...
Agreed, and with respect to the Amarr change, it was pretty unanamous amongst the player baae that Amarr needed a buff. With the falcon/ecm issue; its pretty 50/50, which is a good indication that its a different situation. --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.16 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim
Agreed, and with respect to the Amarr change, it was pretty unanamous amongst the player baae that Amarr needed a buff. With the falcon/ecm issue; its pretty 50/50, which is a good indication that its a different situation.
Still 50/50 might indicate that there actually is a problem.
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Lyria Skydancer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.16 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
And do you remember the reason they decided to change it after so many years of suckage?
I'll quote ccp:
"There have been a lot of requests (to put it mildly) and petitions to do "something" about the so called Amarr problem. Most of those are about Amarr not being competitive when it comes to damage output and therefore not a viable race to fly in PVP"
You see, they seem to need a big riot before they change something that is obviously broken. I provide that in areas I find broken.
I pity you, Lyria. You have serious problems if you really believe this. You should see a terapeut about your paranoia...
Yes I belive that ccp isnt able to see nessesary balance changes unless they see a riot about it. Just look at the pilgrim. Really.
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