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Tojo Chigurh
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Posted - 2008.06.20 10:30:00 -
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I keep watching the stats, and the numbers of Gallente are rising, as well as their victory points and kills. As of now, all the caldari have to show for it is one system under occupancy. But in every other category, the stats are not boding well.
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.06.20 10:36:00 -
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We already won.
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maarud
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.06.20 10:40:00 -
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where do you see the stats? Maarud.
Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
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Mangala Solaris
Ma'adim Logistics
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Posted - 2008.06.20 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: maarud where do you see the stats?
Here and ingame in the militia window when in station (can only see the stats on the window when IN a militia otherwise all you will see is the "join militia" buttons.) -------
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maarud
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.06.20 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mangala Solaris
Originally by: maarud where do you see the stats?
Here and ingame in the militia window when in station (can only see the stats on the window when IN a militia otherwise all you will see is the "join militia" buttons.)
The links in that thread don't work and they point to pdf's that are 4-5 days old already. Maarud.
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Nemesis Kai
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:16:00 -
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The Caldari have not lost yet but they are on a back heal all the time I have ever encountered them. It seems fairly normal practice these days to sit in high sec and try and form as big a fleet as possible and to then try and gank a small Gallente force. I have never so far met a Caldari force that will engage any force if they dont have at least twice too three times the number, even then its fairly hard to actually get them to engage and you often have to take the fight to them. This pretty much results in the Caldari looking like nothing but cowards or mission runners still as they seek to try and capture plexes. Its still early days though at the moment the Caldari may well be able to adapt beyond their mentality of needing a huge number advantage to be able to dare to actually fight, because if the Gallente keeps growing in numbers the Caldari's only advantage is gone and the war will be over with Gallente being the winners. If things carry on as they are now the Caldari will lose anyway it will just be a longer amount of time ( Of course as I fight for the Gallente I am bound to say this)
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:21:00 -
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The Minmatar are winning the most right now .
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Nemesis Kai The Caldari have not lost yet but they are on a back heal all the time I have ever encountered them. It seems fairly normal practice these days to sit in high sec and try and form as big a fleet as possible and to then try and gank a small Gallente force. I have never so far met a Caldari force that will engage any force if they dont have at least twice too three times the number, even then its fairly hard to actually get them to engage and you often have to take the fight to them. This pretty much results in the Caldari looking like nothing but cowards or mission runners still as they seek to try and capture plexes. Its still early days though at the moment the Caldari may well be able to adapt beyond their mentality of needing a huge number advantage to be able to dare to actually fight, because if the Gallente keeps growing in numbers the Caldari's only advantage is gone and the war will be over with Gallente being the winners. If things carry on as they are now the Caldari will lose anyway it will just be a longer amount of time ( Of course as I fight for the Gallente I am bound to say this)
This can be blamed upon the nano gangs who infest tama. With most caldari flying missile boats they are at an extream disadvantage and thus dont like taking them on. Its all fine saying fly hugginns. rapiers and use turrets but alot of these guys dont have those skills or only have the basic ones trained. As a result alot of the militia are terrified of engaging them since there is little they can do.
This will end once the CM start being able to field nanos like the gallente can at the moment but its going to be a while before that happens.
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Steve Celeste
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Steve Celeste on 20/06/2008 11:35:52
Originally by: baltec1 This can be blamed upon the nano gangs who infest tama.
Been sitting off the Nourv gate in Tama for half an hour, cloaked, and it is an absolute slaughter.
Main Caldari problem is the lack of good FC's in timezones other than US.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
This can be blamed upon the nano gangs who infest tama. With most caldari flying missile boats they are at an extream disadvantage and thus dont like taking them on. Its all fine saying fly hugginns. rapiers and use turrets but alot of these guys dont have those skills or only have the basic ones trained. As a result alot of the militia are terrified of engaging them since there is little they can do.
This will end once the CM start being able to field nanos like the gallente can at the moment but its going to be a while before that happens.
Caldari should get in crows. Excellent speed and ability to catch nano ships, then the rest of the fleet can instapop them.
--- Its dead, Jim.
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Drenan
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:44:00 -
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Hopefully, the nano slaughter of noobs in Tama will finally persuade CCP to do something about the problem.
Everyone knows that the glory days of the nano will end eventually. Just bite the bullet and do it CCP.
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Leora Nomen
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1 This can be blamed upon the nano gangs who infest tama. With most caldari flying missile boats they are at an extream disadvantage and thus dont like taking them on. Its all fine saying fly hugginns. rapiers and use turrets but alot of these guys dont have those skills or only have the basic ones trained. As a result alot of the militia are terrified of engaging them since there is little they can do.
This will end once the CM start being able to field nanos like the gallente can at the moment but its going to be a while before that happens.
crows ... blackbirds ... falcons ... frigs with tracking disruptors ... weapons that don't rely on tracking ... only about 3-4 weeks to train minmatar cruiser V for your older players
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Kelli Flay
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Drenan Hopefully, the nano slaughter of noobs in Tama will finally persuade CCP to do something about the problem.
Everyone knows that the glory days of the nano will end eventually. Just bite the bullet and do it CCP.
This.
Before Fw started, I had a feeling nanofaggotry would play a big part and the Caldari would be at a disadvantage because of it. I was hoping the nerf would come before FW opened.
Funny thing is, Gallente already had some of the best pvp ships int he game but I guess they need nanofags too in order to win. This can be attributed to their noobness.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 20/06/2008 11:54:36
I think they are losing the war because not many of them are bothering to score points. They just want to fight people. At least its been like that in the fleet ops Ive been in so far.
I doubt it has anything to do with the opponents using nano ships since caldari greatly outnumbers them anyway.
--- Its dead, Jim.
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OneSock
Crown Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kelli Flay
This.
Before Fw started, I had a feeling nanofaggotry would play a big part and the Caldari would be at a disadvantage because of it. I was hoping the nerf would come before FW opened.
Funny thing is, Gallente already had some of the best pvp ships int he game but I guess they need nanofags too in order to win. This can be attributed to their noobness.
That said nano ships don't have much DPS and the Gallente ships that do dish DPS in bucket loads can be totally disabled by Caldari ECM, so yeah.
nerf nano and ECM eh ? or boost our damp ships again !
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Kelli Flay
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Leora Nomen
crows ... blackbirds ... falcons ... frigs with tracking disruptors ... weapons that don't rely on tracking ... only about 3-4 weeks to train minmatar cruiser V for your older players
Right. They should spend a month and train a whole different race to combat a game imbalance.
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Funkcikle
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 20/06/2008 11:54:36
I think they are losing the war because not many of them are bothering to score points. They just want to fight people. At least its been like that in the fleet ops Ive been in so far.
I doubt it has anything to do with the opponents using nano ships since caldari greatly outnumbers them anyway.
Jim, stop talking in local m8
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Leora Nomen
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kelli Flay
Originally by: Leora Nomen
crows ... blackbirds ... falcons ... frigs with tracking disruptors ... weapons that don't rely on tracking ... only about 3-4 weeks to train minmatar cruiser V for your older players
Right. They should spend a month and train a whole different race to combat a game imbalance.
you ignored the other several things i mentioned that do not require spending 3 weeks on additional training
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Kelli Flay
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Leora Nomen
Originally by: Kelli Flay
Originally by: Leora Nomen
crows ... blackbirds ... falcons ... frigs with tracking disruptors ... weapons that don't rely on tracking ... only about 3-4 weeks to train minmatar cruiser V for your older players
Right. They should spend a month and train a whole different race to combat a game imbalance.
you ignored the other several things i mentioned that do not require spending 3 weeks on additional training
Well you are ignoring the fact that most of their ships depend heavily on missiles. Just because they have a few ships on their roster that do not doesn't mean the problem is fixed.
It is like when people used to claim Amarr is fine because it had good Recons.
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:10:00 -
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Caldari have best ECM in game as well as crows! No matter where you go, there you are.
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Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kelli Flay
Originally by: Leora Nomen
Originally by: Kelli Flay
Originally by: Leora Nomen
crows ... blackbirds ... falcons ... frigs with tracking disruptors ... weapons that don't rely on tracking ... only about 3-4 weeks to train minmatar cruiser V for your older players
Right. They should spend a month and train a whole different race to combat a game imbalance.
you ignored the other several things i mentioned that do not require spending 3 weeks on additional training
Well you are ignoring the fact that most of their ships depend heavily on missiles. Just because they have a few ships on their roster that do not doesn't mean the problem is fixed.
It is like when people used to claim Amarr is fine because it had good Recons.
ecm nano t1 frigs with webs more ecm did i mention more ecm?
ravens cruise missels heavy neuts logistic ships?
l2p stop blameing the game
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Leora Nomen
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kelli Flay Well you are ignoring the fact that most of their ships depend heavily on missiles. Just because they have a few ships on their roster that do not doesn't mean the problem is fixed.
It is like when people used to claim Amarr is fine because it had good Recons.
and the problem with missiles is ....? try hitting up some nano-ships with guns and you'll see that having a weapon system that doesn't rely on tracking is superior in this matter ... you know those scary vagabonds run and hide from a raven loaded on kinetic missiles and a target painter and ishtars run from explosive which by the way caldari can also shoot since they can use all four types of damage
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Jones Bones
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:18:00 -
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Nanos are not your problem. I have yet to see a nano gang engage Caldari, or Caldari engage a nano gang. Your problem is FCing. We had a 40v60 fight against Caldari yesterday and they called primary alphabetically.
But at least you fight. Us Minmatar have to leave our battlezone with the Amarr to find fights these days.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Drenan Hopefully, the nano slaughter of noobs in Tama will finally persuade CCP to do something about the problem.
Everyone knows that the glory days of the nano will end eventually. Just bite the bullet and do it CCP.
You're sure it's not a dev gang on infini-snakes zipping about in there?
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Pitt
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:29:00 -
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I think from here on in fw I'm going to fly nothing but caldari ships, just to show the caldari militia that they can be used for pvp. It's not the ships, or nano, or gal and mini's hax/sploiting. It's the fact that the caldari militia have absolutly no idea how to set up a ship, use it's strengths, and apply it well with tactics in a pvp situation.
Instead of trying to figure out how to fit and fly thier ships they come here and complain about how everyone else's toys are too cool and need to nerfed.
Just a hint caldari, pvp is not a mission an agent gave you. You need to fit your ship just abit different than you would for a mission aginst gal navy/guistas. How many must die in the name of God before the Devil is satisfied |
Kelli Flay
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jones Bones Nanos are not your problem. I have yet to see a nano gang engage Caldari, or Caldari engage a nano gang. Your problem is FCing. We had a 40v60 fight against Caldari yesterday and they called primary alphabetically.
But at least you fight. Us Minmatar have to leave our battlezone with the Amarr to find fights these days.
I agree with you about the Amarr. I took my main out of the Amarr Miltia after a week because it seemed like nobody knew what was going on and things seemed disorganized. People were X ing up for fleets and getting ignored. Nobody knew which channel was for what or what voice comms were being used.
I am now trying to decide whether I want to fight for Caldari or Gallente.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jones Bones Nanos are not your problem. I have yet to see a nano gang engage Caldari, or Caldari engage a nano gang. Your problem is FCing. We had a 40v60 fight against Caldari yesterday and they called primary alphabetically.
But at least you fight. Us Minmatar have to leave our battlezone with the Amarr to find fights these days.
Spend some time in tama and you will see differently.
Every day I log on there is a nano gang of at least 10 sitting 200km off the nour gate sweeping in and picking off targets. I not seen a single one die at all, even when boro's 120 man fleets are on the gate.
As I said we have an ungodly amount of missile ships and little of anything else and its going to take time for these people to train up in something else.
However having said that I admire pirate dave and his gang for staying and taking on larger forces. I wouldnt be suprised if his gang were responsible for alot of the gallente militia's kills.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:46:00 -
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I've noticed something about the Caldari FW people in general that I dislike. They tend to fly what they bring, not fly what they need to fly - as such, they get mauled by nano gangs. Every time I enter Tama with a fleet, I manage to drop a couple expensive things with dual polycarbs, simply because I brought an anti-nano pulse snipoc - but when I recommend the setup, I get screamed at because it has just plates and no reps on. Eh, I tried my best... if they're content to keep losing their caracals and feroxes as nanos run circles around them that's their business.
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Nasdram
Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:46:00 -
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you might also want to try covops with t1 frigs with loads of webs aligned tothe hostiles.
Works wonders.
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Antigonos
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
This can be blamed upon the nano gangs who infest tama....
Just because you see ships flying around with mwd activated does not mean they have nanofitting. Strange, the most gangs i am in are t1 fitted ships with normal pvp setups and maybe mwd fitted.
But i guess it feels better to invent a reason why caldari lose so many ships than to just accept the truce.
It is just the same like when people say that they had heavy lag when they losed ships. With Brackets of there is barely any lag in the fleetfights against caldari.
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