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Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Haakelen Edited by: Haakelen on 24/06/2008 16:53:27 griefers
took an edit to post that? had to make it bold? LOL
You've run out of bad arguments so while you make some up you pick on how people edit their forum posts.
Amazing, also LOL at your comment above, through all the nano threads you've shown how little you actually know about the game and how little you've actually PvP'd in 0.0 and low sec. Sure you may have played 5 years.
IN MOTSU!
I also find it pretty hilarious that you whiners either ignore every single post we make with counters and how to kill them or plain simply just quote it and say "DOESNT WORK" without actually trying it. _______________________________________________________________________________ EVE Online: The Hand-holding Age The truth about balance is that it doesn't exist. |
Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dingi223 So the vagabond, which is described as:
"The fastest cruiser invented to date, this vessel is ideal for hit-and-run ops where both speed and firepower are required. Its on-board power core may not be strong enough to handle some of the larger weapons out there, but when it comes to guerilla work, the Vagabond can't be beat"
actually performs it's role, and everyone is unhappy? Everytime a specific example comes up, it's always a vaga. Hey, guess what - that Vaga is performing EXACTLY what's it's role is. And I bet for fewer skillpoints, and a cheaper fit, I can fit a Drake with a passive tank that the vagabond will not break. Use EFT, prove me wrong. Then figure out what falloff does to DPS, and I'll prove you wrong. All for less iskies too.
Caldari, with the falcon, one of the most effective recons ships in the game. It can effectively lock down 3 targets where they cannot do *anything* save run away. However, now people want to take the Minmatar recon and make it useless with changing how webs work? Sure, let's give everyone a 24 km web, I'll take being able to effectively use ECM as well. Let's lose all diversity in the game. We can to invalidate Minmatars HAC, as well as Minmatars recon, in a single change!
Unfortunately only about 5% of people actually consider what trash they spew forth and consider the implications. The majority are simply Caldari FW whiners that are upset their passive PvE fits are not as leet as they once thought, and want the rest of the game to adapt to their tactics.
And no, I don't fly nano's, I fly Minmatar recons, and I actually appreciate having a role in the game.
Spot on my friend, SPOT ON! _______________________________________________________________________________ EVE Online: The Hand-holding Age The truth about balance is that it doesn't exist. |
Haakelen
Force d'action navale
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:02:00 -
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At least three times in the past TWO WEEKS I've had to disengage from a WT in a Drake, because their passive tank wasn't getting nicked very much, and I was running out of cap/having to take some damage inbetween MWD cycles. I would like to acquire one of these I-Win buttons, because I sure as hell don't have one.
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Lord WarATron
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kale Kold Since the Faction War expansion nano fitted ships have increased ten fold. Trying to catch 'em is severly limited due to the absolute downright inadequate range of Stasis Webifiers. Just one pulse of a Micro Warp Drive and your webs are completely useless as their inertia carries them out of range in seconds.
I know some recons get a bonus to the range of webs, but, c'mon, recons always go pop first in any fight, thus totally negating their effect on a nano fleet.
CCP, please increase the range of webs to 24k to match the distrupters.
Thankyou.
Web scripts, such as +100% range, -50% effectiveness (or whatever is balanced) would be good. A 10k/sec crow would go down to 5k/sec, still fast enough to do its thing. A 6k/sec vaga would go down to 3k/sec, meaning you need 2-3 people weabing him - Or 1 rapier/huggin.
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Grath Telkin
Evolving Paradigms
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Haakelen it's cool i just know what's up now
you got killed (probably a few times) by someone in a fast ship and now you're on a holy crusade to nerf them, because you assume that with fast ships nerfed, you won't get killed as easily. until you encounter a remote rep BS gatecamp
no Haak, he was ****ed when he somebody said we manually fly our ships. Hes spent the past 23 hours trying to figure out how, and he's pretty bitter right now.
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Haakelen
Force d'action navale
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:06:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
no Haak, he was ****ed when he somebody said we manually fly our ships. Hes spent the past 23 hours trying to figure out how, and he's pretty bitter right now.
I almost think we need another Armageddon day, so people who haven't ever flown a poly'd HAC can find out how difficult it is to properly use it. Except the last one lagged so horribly, it wouldn't work so great.
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kale Kold Edited by: Kale Kold on 23/06/2008 23:25:40
Originally by: Haakelen Hint: Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers
So months of training for command ships and months more for warlinks in order to take down ships that require half the training and are half the cost? Hmmm. something sounds like it needs balancing... and thats if you can lock them before they warp!!!
Just to point it out: a command link affect a whole squad/wing/fleet, not a single ship. It is so hard and unreasonable to get 1 player with that skill in the whole fleet to get the bonus for all the players?
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Steel Tigeress
Steel-Wolfs
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tenuo
Originally by: Dingi223 So the vagabond, which is described as:
"The fastest cruiser invented to date, this vessel is ideal for hit-and-run ops where both speed and firepower are required. Its on-board power core may not be strong enough to handle some of the larger weapons out there, but when it comes to guerilla work, the Vagabond can't be beat"
actually performs it's role, and everyone is unhappy? Everytime a specific example comes up, it's always a vaga. Hey, guess what - that Vaga is performing EXACTLY what's it's role is. And I bet for fewer skillpoints, and a cheaper fit, I can fit a Drake with a passive tank that the vagabond will not break. Use EFT, prove me wrong. Then figure out what falloff does to DPS, and I'll prove you wrong. All for less iskies too.
Caldari, with the falcon, one of the most effective recons ships in the game. It can effectively lock down 3 targets where they cannot do *anything* save run away. However, now people want to take the Minmatar recon and make it useless with changing how webs work? Sure, let's give everyone a 24 km web, I'll take being able to effectively use ECM as well. Let's lose all diversity in the game. We can to invalidate Minmatars HAC, as well as Minmatars recon, in a single change!
Unfortunately only about 5% of people actually consider what trash they spew forth and consider the implications. The majority are simply Caldari FW whiners that are upset their passive PvE fits are not as leet as they once thought, and want the rest of the game to adapt to their tactics.
And no, I don't fly nano's, I fly Minmatar recons, and I actually appreciate having a role in the game.
Spot on my friend, SPOT ON!
Now where in that description does it say that Vaga's should be faster than inties, or any other ship in the game... It doesnt. It just says they are built to be the fastest CRUISER in the game.... They could go just 250m/s and fit that criteria.
The problem isn't just with Vaga's though, its with the speed mods themselves, not with the ships.
Explain to me Why MWD's arnt allowed in missions... not the RP reason, the actual reason given by CCP, then explain why that reason does not describe exactly what speed is doing to PvP now as well.
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Kyusoath Orillian
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus When you weight the nuts and bolts of it all. Nano's simply are too overpowered. Even those who play nanos agree. Big ships traveling fast is flawed. I laugh at all the reasons people like Hack conjure up... pulling ridiculous arguments out of his arse... no sense of anything. Not to mention the few who think the problem is countering and being organized. Cuz quite frankly, there's nothing organized and thought out about flying a nano. It's a gank fit. It's for griefers. It lessens what pvp is.
They'll never see the big picture. I'm beginning to think they argue just to argue about it.
/agree.
i love thinking thru a great HAC setup, and then remembering that the first nanosh1t that comes along will either kill me or **** me off while my tank holds up completely, and at all times he is safe and can run away.
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Haakelen
Force d'action navale
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:11:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Steel Tigeress
Now where in that description does it say that Vaga's should be faster than inties, or any other ship in the game... It doesnt. It just says they are built to be the fastest CRUISER in the game.... They could go just 250m/s and fit that criteria.
My alt's Vaga, right now, goes 5,971m/s. My Ares goes 7,250. My Alt's Claw goes 7600. I have seen a crow approach 20km/s. I have see Machariels go 12km/s. I have seen Interceptors go 1,200m/s. You do not know what you're talking about.
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Kyusoath Orillian
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:12:00 -
[101]
'every single person that thinks nano setups are somehow overpowered is wrong.'
that is what nanofags expect us to believe.
you will be nerfed and forced to play this game properly.
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Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:14:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Steel Tigeress
Originally by: Tenuo
Originally by: Dingi223 So the vagabond, which is described as:
"The fastest cruiser invented to date, this vessel is ideal for hit-and-run ops where both speed and firepower are required. Its on-board power core may not be strong enough to handle some of the larger weapons out there, but when it comes to guerilla work, the Vagabond can't be beat"
actually performs it's role, and everyone is unhappy? Everytime a specific example comes up, it's always a vaga. Hey, guess what - that Vaga is performing EXACTLY what's it's role is. And I bet for fewer skillpoints, and a cheaper fit, I can fit a Drake with a passive tank that the vagabond will not break. Use EFT, prove me wrong. Then figure out what falloff does to DPS, and I'll prove you wrong. All for less iskies too.
Caldari, with the falcon, one of the most effective recons ships in the game. It can effectively lock down 3 targets where they cannot do *anything* save run away. However, now people want to take the Minmatar recon and make it useless with changing how webs work? Sure, let's give everyone a 24 km web, I'll take being able to effectively use ECM as well. Let's lose all diversity in the game. We can to invalidate Minmatars HAC, as well as Minmatars recon, in a single change!
Unfortunately only about 5% of people actually consider what trash they spew forth and consider the implications. The majority are simply Caldari FW whiners that are upset their passive PvE fits are not as leet as they once thought, and want the rest of the game to adapt to their tactics.
And no, I don't fly nano's, I fly Minmatar recons, and I actually appreciate having a role in the game.
Spot on my friend, SPOT ON!
Now where in that description does it say that Vaga's should be faster than inties, or any other ship in the game... It doesnt. It just says they are built to be the fastest CRUISER in the game.... They could go just 250m/s and fit that criteria.
The problem isn't just with Vaga's though, its with the speed mods themselves, not with the ships.
Explain to me Why MWD's arnt allowed in missions... not the RP reason, the actual reason given by CCP, then explain why that reason does not describe exactly what speed is doing to PvP now as well.
You clearly have no clue
What about shutting up. _______________________________________________________________________________ EVE Online: The Hand-holding Age The truth about balance is that it doesn't exist. |
Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:15:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian 'every single person that thinks nano setups are somehow overpowered is wrong.'
that is what nanofags expect us to believe.
you will be nerfed and forced to play this game properly.
"Properly".
Explain what properly is
Oh right, YOU made it up so YOU could have an excuse to come cry on the forums.
THIS IS A SANDBOX GAME WHAT PART OF PLAY IT AS YOU LIKE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
DO YOU WANT A GAME WHERE EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMN SHIP IS PIDGEONHOLED IN TO A ROLE?
I ******* DONT.
CLEAR ENOUGH? _______________________________________________________________________________ EVE Online: The Hand-holding Age The truth about balance is that it doesn't exist. |
Haakelen
Force d'action navale
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:16:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian 'every single person that thinks nano setups are somehow overpowered is wrong.'
that is what nanofags expect us to believe.
you will be nerfed and forced to play this game properly.
I know you just got through with dealing with PL, but chill a bit ok
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Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:18:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Haakelen
Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian 'every single person that thinks nano setups are somehow overpowered is wrong.'
that is what nanofags expect us to believe.
you will be nerfed and forced to play this game properly.
I know you just got through with dealing with PL, but chill a bit ok
PL are said to be some of the biggest "nanofags" in this game.
Yet still they use *gasp* Battleships in fleets and *gasp* regularly use BS RR gangs.
The whole thing about nano gangs taking over is pure bull****, there are SO many things they can't do and so many ships that have other roles. _______________________________________________________________________________ EVE Online: The Hand-holding Age The truth about balance is that it doesn't exist. |
Kyusoath Orillian
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:18:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Tenuo
Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian 'every single person that thinks nano setups are somehow overpowered is wrong.'
that is what nanofags expect us to believe.
you will be nerfed and forced to play this game properly.
"Properly".
Explain what properly is
Oh right, YOU made it up so YOU could have an excuse to come cry on the forums.
THIS IS A SANDBOX GAME WHAT PART OF PLAY IT AS YOU LIKE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
DO YOU WANT A GAME WHERE EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMN SHIP IS PIDGEONHOLED IN TO A ROLE?
I ******* DONT.
CLEAR ENOUGH?
i require more caps you ***********got.
upset about the threat of having your overpowered 'play style' removed ?
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Jane Vladmir
Warmongers
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:18:00 -
[107]
No no no and no.
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Lawk
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:19:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Haakelen
I know you just got through with dealing with PL, but chill a bit ok
This is gold.
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Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:19:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian
Originally by: Tenuo
Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian 'every single person that thinks nano setups are somehow overpowered is wrong.'
that is what nanofags expect us to believe.
you will be nerfed and forced to play this game properly.
"Properly".
Explain what properly is
Oh right, YOU made it up so YOU could have an excuse to come cry on the forums.
THIS IS A SANDBOX GAME WHAT PART OF PLAY IT AS YOU LIKE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
DO YOU WANT A GAME WHERE EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMN SHIP IS PIDGEONHOLED IN TO A ROLE?
I ******* DONT.
CLEAR ENOUGH?
i require more caps you ***********got.
upset about the threat of having your overpowered 'play style' removed ?
Try again.
I don't fly them, but I know how to counter them.
What about trying other insults.
And caps seems to be the only thing getting through your skull, the rest of our reasonable posts are just overlooked. Like talking to a door _______________________________________________________________________________ EVE Online: The Hand-holding Age The truth about balance is that it doesn't exist. |
Kyusoath Orillian
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:21:00 -
[110]
i agree , nanofaggotry is not 'taking over' , and proper ships, with proper setups still are used.
but 1 nanofag is too many. enjoy it while it lasts
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Haakelen
Force d'action navale
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:22:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Haakelen on 24/06/2008 17:24:25
Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian i agree , nanofaggotry is not 'taking over' , and proper ships, with proper setups still are used.
but 1 nanofag is too many. enjoy it while it lasts
i lost a cyno ares.
cyno ares
i think i have more right to be mad than you about fountain, don't take it too seriously
e: also sup Lawk, ex-KOS represent itt
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Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian i agree , nanofaggotry is not 'taking over' , and proper ships, with proper setups still are used.
but 1 nanofag is too many. enjoy it while it lasts
Once again you say "proper ships" and "proper setups"
WHATS THE ******* MATTER WITH YOU?
Read my above post.
Oh wait, it's pro-nano, i'll just skip it. _______________________________________________________________________________ EVE Online: The Hand-holding Age The truth about balance is that it doesn't exist. |
Tankn00blicus
Cosmic Vacum Cleaners
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:25:00 -
[113]
Vagabond is fine, it can't do damage while zipping around. Things like nano ishtars are just bad and deserve a nerf (and then maybe replace the useless med hybrid bonus with something it could take advantage of so it doesn't simply turn into a subpar smaller domi).
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Haakelen
Force d'action navale
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:26:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Tankn00blicus Vagabond is fine, it can't do damage while zipping around. Things like nano ishtars are just bad and deserve a nerf (and then maybe replace the useless med hybrid bonus with something it could take advantage of so it doesn't simply turn into a subpar smaller domi).
Gallente don't deserve a good HAC, you are so right sir
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Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:27:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Tenuo on 24/06/2008 17:27:19
Originally by: Tankn00blicus Vagabond is fine, it can't do damage while zipping around. Things like nano ishtars are just bad and deserve a nerf (and then maybe replace the useless med hybrid bonus with something it could take advantage of so it doesn't simply turn into a subpar smaller domi).
You could just kill it's drones.
Just sayin'
or outrun them, I heard something about Heavy drones not being nano'd. _______________________________________________________________________________ EVE Online: The Hand-holding Age The truth about balance is that it doesn't exist. |
Lawk
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:31:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Haakelen Edited by: Haakelen on 24/06/2008 17:24:25
Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian i agree , nanofaggotry is not 'taking over' , and proper ships, with proper setups still are used.
but 1 nanofag is too many. enjoy it while it lasts
i lost a cyno ares.
cyno ares
i think i have more right to be mad than you about fountain, don't take it too seriously
e: also sup Lawk, ex-KOS represent itt
High5, my failed alliance brosef.
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Call'Da Poleece
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Posted - 2008.06.24 19:41:00 -
[117]
ITT: Nanofags mock anyone who thinks speed tanks are unbalanced |
Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.24 19:54:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Call'Da Poleece ITT: Nanofags mock anyone who thinks speed tanks are unbalanced
ITT: Nanowhiners keep spewing out stupid arguments, keeps overlooking posts and throwing away viable counters while being unable to play the game and adapting to changes. _______________________________________________________________________________ EVE Online: The Hand-holding Age The truth about balance is that it doesn't exist. |
Xaen
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.06.24 20:03:00 -
[119]
The post has been reported. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
Tankn00blicus
Cosmic Vacum Cleaners
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Posted - 2008.06.24 20:06:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Tankn00blicus on 24/06/2008 20:07:37
Originally by: Haakelen
Originally by: Tankn00blicus Vagabond is fine, it can't do damage while zipping around. Things like nano ishtars are just bad and deserve a nerf (and then maybe replace the useless med hybrid bonus with something it could take advantage of so it doesn't simply turn into a subpar smaller domi).
Gallente don't deserve a good HAC, you are so right sir
The only thing ishtar could possibly do is nano, you are so right sir
Originally by: Tenuo Edited by: Tenuo on 24/06/2008 17:27:19
Originally by: Tankn00blicus Vagabond is fine, it can't do damage while zipping around. Things like nano ishtars are just bad and deserve a nerf (and then maybe replace the useless med hybrid bonus with something it could take advantage of so it doesn't simply turn into a subpar smaller domi).
You could just kill it's drones.
Just sayin'
or outrun them, I heard something about Heavy drones not being nano'd.
It's also going to have 325-375m3 worth of drones before it runs dry, and then it just runs away, unless the pilot is an absolute moron and decides to zoom in to web range for no apparent reason.
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