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jam6549 Via Crucis	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:02:00 - [31] Originally by: Victor Forge Originally by: Kalchak Strength in unity, something Amarrians never understood. We do understand that. But in practise that is asking for impossible. The very reason all those Minmatar spies are in the Amarr militia is to cause splits and dizorganisation. And apparently drive any help from Caldari away. And they can¦t be kicked out from the militia either. And who in their right mind would field an expensive ship like a Bhaalgorn to combat Minmatar nano-blobs with enemies in their own ranks and being wastly outnumbered? During such circumstances it will be foolish to not obey the rule "don¦t fly what you can¦t afford to lose." And considering the circumstances with being massively outnumbered, facing Insurgency, Outbreak, all damn spies, the current strengths of speedtanking fighting the Faction that invented it. The golden rule will be more like: "don¦t fly what you can¦t afford to lose.. (and if Amarr)... many times" QFT. Amarr Militia is just full of noobs fly T1 Frigs and Destroyers thinking they can do something
Rhanna Khurin	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:17:00 - [32] Originally by: jam6549 Originally by: Victor Forge Originally by: Kalchak Strength in unity, something Amarrians never understood. We do understand that. But in practise that is asking for impossible. The very reason all those Minmatar spies are in the Amarr militia is to cause splits and dizorganisation. And apparently drive any help from Caldari away. And they can¦t be kicked out from the militia either. And who in their right mind would field an expensive ship like a Bhaalgorn to combat Minmatar nano-blobs with enemies in their own ranks and being wastly outnumbered? During such circumstances it will be foolish to not obey the rule "don¦t fly what you can¦t afford to lose." And considering the circumstances with being massively outnumbered, facing Insurgency, Outbreak, all damn spies, the current strengths of speedtanking fighting the Faction that invented it. The golden rule will be more like: "don¦t fly what you can¦t afford to lose.. (and if Amarr)... many times" QFT. Amarr Militia is just full of noobs fly T1 Frigs and Destroyers thinking they can do something Is that sarcasm?
Miyamoto Uroki State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:20:00 - [33] From a roleplay perspective we aren't that closely tied to the Amarr empire. We trade a lot, sure, but lots of caldari megacorporations also used to trade with the gallentean federation, so no big deal imho. From an ooc perspective, I't maybe would make sense to aid amarrian fleets, but honestly I am not willing to travel that far for instand combat like I can get it in Black Rise. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face
Eemaavi	Posted - 2008.06.25 15:15:00 - [34] Originally by: Marlenus Words.... because we weren't using their esoteric radio frequencies and they were too stuck-up to use the standard radios found in every spaceship. Worse yet, they were rude about it, and told us to "shut up" when we asked if the basic fleet commands would be relayed in text. This despite the fact that we brought more pilots to the fleet than they did. More Words, some angry This ^^ the Amarr just need to suck up and quit trying to force TS and Vent down everybody's throats. The vast majority of EVE players can use Eve Voice (as well as our erstwhile allies the Caldari) and its not like Amarr fleets go over 100 players anyway or are skilled enough to benefit from a disconnected FC.. (God knows some of our FCs should just shut the Hell up.) its Lose not Loose! You will lose your hauler if you don't use a scout I have loose change in my pocket. Yeah I'm an Alt- Go cry elswhere
Ulstan State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.25 15:23:00 - [35] Man, I can't imagine the extra hassle and confusion caused by trying to use vent/TS over EVE voice. Anyway, minmatar complaining about not having enough people to fight should have joined the underdogs!(Amarr) How many pvp corps joined them? As for Caldari, they're having more than enough trouble with gallente, and their own generous serving of alt-spies distributing hilarious misinformation :p
Rhanna Khurin	Posted - 2008.06.25 15:32:00 - [36] So that's the consensus is it? "Let the Amarrians burn" well i dunno about anyone else, but i'm glad i'm not allied with the Caldari. If only there was a way to broker a peace treaty with the Amarrians and thensee how the arrogant lazy Caldari like being fought by three factions.
MrWhitei God Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:09:00 - [37] Edited by: MrWhitei God on 25/06/2008 16:09:39 Originally by: Victor Forge And who in their right mind would field an expensive ship like a Bhaalgorn to combat Minmatar nano-blobs with enemies in their own ranks and being wastly outnumbered? During such circumstances it will be foolish to not obey the rule "don¦t fly what you can¦t afford to lose." Funny you mention that... Some people never learn Bhaalgorn died to Minmatar nano-blob But yeah we're looking forward to the Rattlesnake km Cya soon Caldari :)
Soldur Forseti Ronin	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:34:00 - [38] Originally by: Marlenus Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Why not make a taskforce to come and help them? We have. I joined such a task force, jumped many jumps with it to join up with an Amarr fleet. When we got there, we found out that they would not talk to us, because we weren't using their esoteric radio frequencies and they were too stuck-up to use the standard radios found in every spaceship. Worse yet, they were rude about it, and told us to "shut up" when we asked if the basic fleet commands would be relayed in text. This despite the fact that we brought more pilots to the fleet than they did. So, urinate on the Amarr, I'm not joining any more expeditionary aid task forces until they figure out basic strategic concepts like "make sure your allies can hear your fleet commanders. And, uh, yeah, be nice to people who jumped halfway across known space to fight for you." Im in the Amarr Militia and the reason that you got this response if because everyone in the Amarr Militia channel are ******s. (except some) They do not work together at all, they do not do anything but throw t1 frigs into bs and command ship gangs and get murdered. many times as im flying through the bleak lands with my corp we dont see a friendly gang all night. You might wonder why that is well that is because they are all circle jerking in kamela or kourmonen when they could be taking systems that are completly empty of war targets.
Raymon James Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:45:00 - [39] Originally by: Soldur Originally by: Marlenus Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Why not make a taskforce to come and help them? " Im in the Amarr Militia and the reason that you got this response if because everyone in the Amarr Militia channel are ******s. (except some) They do not work together at all, they do not do anything but throw t1 frigs into bs and command ship gangs and get murdered. many times as im flying through the bleak lands with my corp we dont see a friendly gang all night. You might wonder why that is well that is because they are all circle jerking in kamela or kourmonen when they could be taking systems that are completly empty of war targets. ok first off take a look at local next time, you see the "neuts"? their cloaked spotters sitting off the gates just off the front line looking for people like you to come through in a small gang to try to take a plex so we can have something to shoot at. Second, to be fair we have our shair of that kind of thing. in part because right now all I can spare to fly is t1 frigs.
Soldur Forseti Ronin	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:51:00 - [40] thank you for telling me how scouts work i dont need your advice or help i think i know how to play the game seeing that ive been doing it much longer than you

Rhanna Khurin	Posted - 2008.06.25 18:08:00 - [41] What is that in your sig soldur? looks like a magnifying glass
Take Enemy Armada.	Posted - 2008.06.25 18:18:00 - [42] Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Originally by: Wave Nagai Why is this Minmatar person requesting aid for the Amarr? Shouldn't you be slaving it up somewhere? Running out of people to shoot :S Hey, there is a good core still bringing it for the Amarr. Maybe don't bring 0.0 blob warfare with carriers (lol) and you would have more fun?
Take Enemy Armada.	Posted - 2008.06.25 18:32:00 - [43] Originally by: jam6549 Originally by: Marlenus Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Why not make a taskforce to come and help them? We have. I joined such a task force, jumped many jumps with it to join up with an Amarr fleet. When we got there, we found out that they would not talk to us, because we weren't using their esoteric radio frequencies and they were too stuck-up to use the standard radios found in every spaceship. Worse yet, they were rude about it, and told us to "shut up" when we asked if the basic fleet commands would be relayed in text. This despite the fact that we brought more pilots to the fleet than they did. This. Tbh, Amarr Militia is epic fail atm. All they do is field t1 frigates, moan in militia chat about crap, and force people to go on Vent/TS when there its easier to use EVE Voice. Sucks to be in it atm Bull****. Vent/TS has been a part of Eve since the beginning. Get used to it. If the node crashes you are still up - too many reasons why it is better frankly. There have been gangs every night. Plenty to shoot at/kill. T1 Frigs have their place, so do T1 Cruisers. Check with Angel on that one. Hella fun. Yes we are outnumbered. More to shoot at. Target rich envirnoment. Fight smarter. Isn't that why you joined the Militia, or is it just to wine on forums and in Militia Channel?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.25 18:32:00 - [44] Look on the bright side. I hear Outbreak drop good loot. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
SirMoric State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.25 18:39:00 - [45] But the Amarr has one of the best industrial bases in the game? Where's the "Veldnaught" in all this? Has he abandonned the case? Or is he lurking in the shadows? rgds
Reilly Jax Freespace Technologies	Posted - 2008.06.25 18:48:00 - [46] Part of the problem does not just lie in Militia numbers. It also lies in how many are helping the militia. The tribals, while having superior militia numbers are also blostering their numbers further by a few alliances, namely UK and EM (who have been killing amarrian pilots for quite a while). Not to mention that there are a fair number of gallente pilots wrecking about in the bleak lands. Compare that to the 24th, who are numericaly inferior, and lack the outside influence of alliance help. the CVA helps, but as an alliance they have space, and they must see it defended... but CVA does help quite a bit. The UK used to have this problem, but were long ago liberated from the trials and tribulations of 0.0 space ownership. So while the KEY amarrian faction RP alliance is unable to put enough weight into the FW conflict to make any significant headway. the UK and friends can bore the full strength of their alliance numbers and resources into it. Honestly, without Caldari assistance (as of now, to my knowledge, there have been only one or two small caldari fleets in the bleaks) the 24th might just not have the numbers to be an effective war machine in todays era of "my blob is bigger then your blob" On the positive side, the 24th is making a good show of it.
Eemaavi	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:19:00 - [47] Originally by: Take Enemy Bull****. Vent/TS has been a part of Eve since the beginning. Get used to it. If the node crashes you are still up - too many reasons why it is better frankly. words.. Hah! What you don't seem to get is that most of the FW players have NOT used TS Regardless of what Corps and Alliances are doing.. TS/Vent only Advantage is Disconnects and even then If your node Crashed you not playing or leading anything are you? The 100 player Limit? Puh-lease show me a 100 man Amarr Militia. Are you even listening to your self? I have seen how well Relay Works. (I have TS and Vent too BTW) lol. Your asking people who don't want to be bothered by using yet another Out of game resource that may or my not work for them, who may or may not have a good TS Server Etc. that isn't infiltrated with spies screwing over your settings, kicking users etc etc. Frankly, TS and Vent lacks of integration with the Fleet makes them less useful and actually promotes blobbing (Because anything like the fleet integration is a pain to manage. Yes TS/Vent have their place... in Private Corp or alliance ops where you can order your players to use TS or Vent or kick them out. But for FW and the Militias you are smoking Cr@ck. And the Sooner more pilots realize this the better they will be able to communicate. Yeah I'm an Alt- Go cry elswhere
Tyrantus 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:29:00 - [48] Originally by: Eemaavi Originally by: Take Enemy Bull****. Vent/TS has been a part of Eve since the beginning. Get used to it. If the node crashes you are still up - too many reasons why it is better frankly. words.. Hah! What you don't seem to get is that most of the FW players have NOT used TS Regardless of what Corps and Alliances are doing.. TS/Vent only Advantage is Disconnects and even then If your node Crashed you not playing or leading anything are you? The 100 player Limit? Puh-lease show me a 100 man Amarr Militia. Are you even listening to your self? I have seen how well Relay Works. (I have TS and Vent too BTW) lol. Your asking people who don't want to be bothered by using yet another Out of game resource that may or my not work for them, who may or may not have a good TS Server Etc. that isn't infiltrated with spies screwing over your settings, kicking users etc etc. Frankly, TS and Vent lacks of integration with the Fleet makes them less useful and actually promotes blobbing (Because anything like the fleet integration is a pain to manage. Yes TS/Vent have their place... in Private Corp or alliance ops where you can order your players to use TS or Vent or kick them out. But for FW and the Militias you are smoking Cr@ck. And the Sooner more pilots realize this the better they will be able to communicate. Never used TS before I started flying with the militia. Took me all of a minute to download and install and was talking shortly after. I don't really understand why someone would complain about what voice software is being used as it was as simple as simple can be to install and use. I've also installed vent just to make sure I can talk in a fleet using whatever software the FC is happy with. Is learning something new so hard? Member Of The 24th Imperial
Marlenus Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:30:00 - [49] Originally by: Take Enemy Bull****. Vent/TS has been a part of Eve since the beginning. Get used to it. That right there is the answer to the OP's question. Amarr don't want allies, they want minions. Sorry, no. ------------------ Ironfleet.com
Ulstan State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:34:00 - [50] Originally by: Eemaavi Originally by: Take Enemy Bull****. Vent/TS has been a part of Eve since the beginning. Get used to it. If the node crashes you are still up - too many reasons why it is better frankly. words.. Hah! What you don't seem to get is that most of the FW players have NOT used TS Regardless of what Corps and Alliances are doing.. TS/Vent only Advantage is Disconnects and even then If your node Crashed you not playing or leading anything are you? The 100 player Limit? Puh-lease show me a 100 man Amarr Militia. Are you even listening to your self? I have seen how well Relay Works. (I have TS and Vent too BTW) lol. Your asking people who don't want to be bothered by using yet another Out of game resource that may or my not work for them, who may or may not have a good TS Server Etc. that isn't infiltrated with spies screwing over your settings, kicking users etc etc. Frankly, TS and Vent lacks of integration with the Fleet makes them less useful and actually promotes blobbing (Because anything like the fleet integration is a pain to manage. Yes TS/Vent have their place... in Private Corp or alliance ops where you can order your players to use TS or Vent or kick them out. But for FW and the Militias you are smoking Cr@ck. And the Sooner more pilots realize this the better they will be able to communicate. This. Trying to shepherd a bunch of random people through downloading, installing, running, and configuring teamspeak is just insanity when you can have them simply rightclick - join audio instead. Teamspeak has it's place, but that place is not coordinating bunches of random people who are rather new to the PvP scene. I doubt you're going to be trying to coordinate logon traps or anything like that.

Eemaavi	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:38:00 - [51] ^^ This Been there done done that. Sorry, it's still easier to Right-click Join Audio. Yeah I'm an Alt- Go cry elswhere
Tyrantus 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:42:00 - [52] So ts is too hard to install and use for you? Maybe clicking your weapons mods and then having to (shudder) move your mouse to a target will prove to much to handle also. Great to have you all on the opposing side then. Member Of The 24th Imperial
Karok Vilneram First Caldari Regiment	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:43:00 - [53] Originally by: Ulstan This. Trying to shepherd a bunch of random people through downloading, installing, running, and configuring teamspeak is just insanity when you can have them simply rightclick - join audio instead. Teamspeak has it's place, but that place is not coordinating bunches of random people who are rather new to the PvP scene. I doubt you're going to be trying to coordinate logon traps or anything like that. This guy speaks the truth. It is hard enough for us Caldari Militia to get all our noobs to right click and join audio and get that much set up. Downloading a 3rd party program and get them all set up with server info? YEAH RIGHT! Caldari use EVE voice and it works awesome. Also we have noticed, Voice seems to work even when you get d/c. Almost like it uses a differant server or something (someone told me it does) I was talking with a corp mate for 5 minutes before we realized he crashed out of EVE. He was alt tabbed in another program at the time we were just in station. EVE-Voice was MEANT for FW. FREAKING USE IT AMARR!!
Tyrantus 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:46:00 - [54] Hey! We should start another thread about the plusses and minuses of the various voice software. It should be an epic thread. Member Of The 24th Imperial
Eemaavi	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:47:00 - [55] Edited by: Eemaavi on 25/06/2008 19:47:13 Originally by: Tyrantus So ts is too hard to install and use for you? Maybe clicking your weapons mods and then having to (shudder) move your mouse to a target will prove to much to handle also. Great to have you all on the opposing side then. Reading Comprehension FTL... I meant the part about shepherding other users and getting everyone in the Fleet on the same page and running right and registered etc etc. (you also missed the part where I mentioned that I have all three). I would tell you about the sky but alas that is over your head too Yeah I'm an Alt- Go cry elswhere
Tyrantus 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:55:00 - [56] Originally by: Eemaavi Edited by: Eemaavi on 25/06/2008 19:47:13 Originally by: Tyrantus So ts is too hard to install and use for you? Maybe clicking your weapons mods and then having to (shudder) move your mouse to a target will prove to much to handle also. Great to have you all on the opposing side then. Reading Comprehension FTL... I meant the part about shepherding other users and getting everyone in the Fleet on the same page and running right and registered etc etc. (you also missed the part where I mentioned that I have all three). I would tell you about the sky but alas that is over your head too I guess you missed the part were I stated that I had never used ts before in my life and was up and running in literaly 3 minutes. And funnily enough noone else in all the gangs I've run with had any issues with installing and using it. Maybe this is a non-issue cooked up for our trolling pleasure? Member Of The 24th Imperial
Marlenus Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:55:00 - [57] I think it's hilariously funny that in a thread about why the Amarr's allies aren't helping them, the Amarr are showing up and being condescending jerks. Ze question, it answers itself! (Props to the ones in this thread who have been decent; it's a generalization, not an absolute.) ------------------ Ironfleet.com
Take Enemy Armada.	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:59:00 - [58] Originally by: Eemaavi Edited by: Eemaavi on 25/06/2008 19:34:35 Originally by: Take Enemy Bull****. Vent/TS has been a part of Eve since the beginning. Get used to it. If the node crashes you are still up - too many reasons why it is better frankly. words.. Hah! What you don't seem to get is that most of the FW players have NOT used TS Regardless of what Corps and Alliances are doing.. TS/Vent only Advantage is Disconnects and even then If your node Crashed you not playing or leading anything are you? The 100 player Limit? Puh-lease show me a 100 man Amarr Militia fleet (not since the beginning). Are you even listening to your self? I have seen how well Relay Works. (I have TS and Vent too BTW) lol. You're asking people who don't want to be bothered by using yet another Out of game resource that may or my not work for them, who may or may not have a good TS Server Etc. that isn't infiltrated with spies screwing over your settings, kicking users etc etc. Frankly, TS and Vent lacks of integration with the Fleet makes them less useful and actually promotes blobbing (Because anything like the fleet integration is a pain to manage. Yes TS/Vent have their place... in Private Corp or alliance ops where you can order your players to use TS or Vent or kick them out. But for FW and the Militias you are smoking Cr@ck. And the Sooner more pilots realize this the better they will be able to communicate. Fine, use Eve voice - though I haven't seen but one fleet form using it. There is nothing keeping the Militia from starting a fleet and doing that. Frankly, the "words" part was more what I was venting about. The main problem (and the gist of my post is) that the Amarr Militia forum is filled with so much whine, I just ignore the channel. Granted, I don't know anything about the other militia forums, maybe they are as bad. Or maybe it is Minnie alts sowing discord, whatever. But even with as many as 300 in the channel, we can only get fleets of 30-40. Can that all be because of TS? I presume that most people don't like to fight under demoralizing odds. Anyway heck with it, I am having fun with those who are flying and fighting, so no issues there. If the militia want's to not do anything, that is fine. More targets for the rest of us.
Ulstan State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.25 20:01:00 - [59] Quote: Never used TS before I started flying with the militia. Took me all of a minute to download and install and was talking shortly after. Yeah, and it took me all of 15s to recover from the boot.ini fiasco. Guess it wasn't such a big deal afterall! Hint: the fact that some people do not have trouble using the more complicated form of communications doesn't change the fact that it is still more complicated and more prone to user confusion. Trying to get your fleets to download, install, run, configure, etc, TS is a needless form of confusion for your average new to PvP FW militia player. What's wrong with EVE voice? That's much easier to explain to new folks.
Take Enemy Armada.	Posted - 2008.06.25 20:14:00 - [60] Originally by: Rooker Originally by: Rhanna Khurin So that's the consensus is it? "Let the Amarrians burn" well i dunno about anyone else, but i'm glad i'm not allied with the Caldari. If only there was a way to broker a peace treaty with the Amarrians and thensee how the arrogant lazy Caldari like being fought by three factions. tbh, just look at the Amarr replies in this thread. If the Gallente were being tards on the same level, would you help them? To tell the truth, I would have loved to join DC's new corp, but, like most of the really good PVP corps on the Amarr side, it is "Amarr character / Amarr ship or gtfo". Not training an Amarr nub alt when my main has 25m sp, mostly pvp-related. There are plenty of Corps that are not Amarr char only. Armada is one of them.



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