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Rhanna Khurin	Posted - 2008.06.25 05:58:00 - [1] As you can probably tell from the FW stats, the Amarr are losing the battle in Devoid. As you have far more pilots than your war allies, why not make a taskforce to come and help them? Show them that you are actually in this together and not just leaving your friends out to dry. Show some solidarity!
Rhanna Khurin	Posted - 2008.06.25 06:03:00 - [2] As a footnote.. ..because when we have finished up consolidating "our" territory, you'll have the entire Tribal liberation force to contend with as well if you don't start helping as we'll have nothing to shoot at down here. Act now, or you'll lose your space as well.
Wave Nagai State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.25 06:07:00 - [3] Why is this Minmatar person requesting aid for the Amarr? Shouldn't you be slaving it up somewhere?
Rhanna Khurin	Posted - 2008.06.25 06:16:00 - [4] Originally by: Wave Nagai Why is this Minmatar person requesting aid for the Amarr? Shouldn't you be slaving it up somewhere? Running out of people to shoot :S
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 06:40:00 - [5] Originally by: Wave Nagai Why is this Minmatar person requesting aid for the Amarr? Shouldn't you be slaving it up somewhere? PvP is more fun when you have an enemy. We come for our people
FlameGlow State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.25 07:28:00 - [6] Originally by: Rhanna Khurin As you can probably tell from the FW stats, the Amarr are losing the battle in Devoid. As you have far more pilots than your war allies, why not make a taskforce to come and help them? Show them that you are actually in this together and not just leaving your friends out to dry. Show some solidarity! We are capitalists, we don't help for free
Rhanna Khurin	Posted - 2008.06.25 07:34:00 - [7] Originally by: FlameGlow Originally by: Rhanna Khurin As you can probably tell from the FW stats, the Amarr are losing the battle in Devoid. As you have far more pilots than your war allies, why not make a taskforce to come and help them? Show them that you are actually in this together and not just leaving your friends out to dry. Show some solidarity! We are capitalists, we don't help for free Ah, but you should look at your long term profits as all good businessmen should. By not helping now, you have a rosk of the Matari militia coming to join fleets with the Gallente and then any numerical advantage you once had is void and you will lose your systems as well.
Haks'he Lirky Dominion Imperium	Posted - 2008.06.25 07:34:00 - [8] Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 25/06/2008 07:34:56 The caldari militia is busy in the circle jerk that is Tama.
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.25 08:17:00 - [9] not only Devoid but also Bleak Lands(i think thats the region :P) is being taken by minni. from kourmonen you have to go quite a few systems now that arent under minni occupancy ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Victor Valka Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.25 08:54:00 - [10] I'm curious. When we turn the next page in saga that is EVE, will the story reflect the results of FW or will CCP just retcon them and push on with the story they have in mind. Originally by: Roxanna Kell You are insane.

Rodj Blake PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.25 09:27:00 - [11] Originally by: Victor Valka I'm curious. When we turn the next page in saga that is EVE, will the story reflect the results of FW or will CCP just retcon them and push on with the story they have in mind. I'm guessing that it will be the second one. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 09:29:00 - [12] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Victor Valka I'm curious. When we turn the next page in saga that is EVE, will the story reflect the results of FW or will CCP just retcon them and push on with the story they have in mind. I'm guessing that it will be the second one. as long as they dont bring back the "abadon of lol" im happy. We come for our people
Marlenus Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2008.06.25 09:33:00 - [13] Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Why not make a taskforce to come and help them? We have. I joined such a task force, jumped many jumps with it to join up with an Amarr fleet. When we got there, we found out that they would not talk to us, because we weren't using their esoteric radio frequencies and they were too stuck-up to use the standard radios found in every spaceship. Worse yet, they were rude about it, and told us to "shut up" when we asked if the basic fleet commands would be relayed in text. This despite the fact that we brought more pilots to the fleet than they did. So, urinate on the Amarr, I'm not joining any more expeditionary aid task forces until they figure out basic strategic concepts like "make sure your allies can hear your fleet commanders. And, uh, yeah, be nice to people who jumped halfway across known space to fight for you." ------------------ Ironfleet.com
Ringo Jeicha State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.25 09:35:00 - [14] Question: why do i only see caldari ppl whining every time?
Kirana Si House of Lubrication	Posted - 2008.06.25 09:38:00 - [15] Originally by: Ringo Jeicha Question: why do i only see caldari ppl whining every time? Cos Calmari are fail for PVP
FlameGlow State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.25 10:03:00 - [16] Originally by: Ringo Jeicha Question: why do i only see caldari ppl whining every time? Well it's because there are too few amarr to be noticed, minmatars can't use computers and barely even write and gallente write in french and nobody understands wtf they wanted anyway.
Victor Forge	Posted - 2008.06.25 10:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Marlenus So, urinate on the Amarr, I'm not joining any more expeditionary aid task forces until they figure out basic strategic concepts like "make sure your allies can hear your fleet commanders. And, uh, yeah, be nice to people who jumped halfway across known space to fight for you." One can only hope the ones leaving the Amarr militia recently are minmatar spies coming to the conclusion that with Minmatar having a 61% and growing advantage in pilots, dedicated pvp-corps in their ranks, they are really don¦t needed to win battles. Numbers alone will. FW will be so much better without foul mouthed, trash talking spies. Anyway I hope the situation with the spies will be better in October when I can fly speedtanked Minmatar-Hacs, then I might consider to join the Amarr militia. ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwaMHJzruDU&feature=related
Dihania Mucho Dolor	Posted - 2008.06.25 10:37:00 - [18] Spy: amarr have in minmatar, minmatar have in amarr, caldari have in gallente, gallente have in caldari. It is a valid war tactic with great impact. Why caldari do not help amarr now? 1. distance between black rise and devoid. 2. so far people seem to no be so organized. 3. the gallente-caldari war is more intensive, has more numbers, has more forum battles, it makes sense for both of them, not onl÷y the caldari, to focus on their main enemy for the time being. I have good information that yesterday amarr had a carrier and 4 bs killing many minmatars. So I guess the fight is not over yet. . EVE: "The Hand-holding Age". I need isk!Accepting donations. Renting sig space.Taking various jobs.
Hori To Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.06.25 10:48:00 - [19] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Victor Valka I'm curious. When we turn the next page in saga that is EVE, will the story reflect the results of FW or will CCP just retcon them and push on with the story they have in mind. I'm guessing that it will be the second one. I'm guessing you're right, hoping you're wrong.
Victor Forge	Posted - 2008.06.25 10:57:00 - [20] Originally by: Dihania Spy: amarr have in minmatar, minmatar have in amarr, caldari have in gallente, gallente have in caldari. It is a valid war tactic with great impact. They have greater impact than a dozen Carriers... If the spies trash talks the ones making Punishers for free for the militia, they will eventuelly get feed up and stop, if they **** off a Caldari fleet wanting to help, there will be no help. And with all those in Amarr militia channel, how will it be possible to organize anything? How can a FC command a fleet when the FC are given away and shoot down even if the FC in question is flying a Interceptor? ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwaMHJzruDU&feature=related

Rhanna Khurin	Posted - 2008.06.25 11:00:00 - [21] Edited by: Rhanna Khurin on 25/06/2008 11:03:14 Hell, i'll fund the Amarrian war effort with my alts if it create more fun. I didn't realise that Matari spies were causing so many problems i must admit.
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.06.25 11:03:00 - [22] Edited by: shanda captison on 25/06/2008 11:03:43 The main problem is allied factions dont appear friendly to each other at the moment. So us (Minmatar) show neutral to Gallente and vice versa so I assume its the same with Amarr and Caldari, which makes life more difficult. Once this is fixed you'll be seeing more Minmatar fleets around the Citadel. Edit: Also there are no spies, just blobs. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 11:07:00 - [23] Originally by: FlameGlow Originally by: Ringo Jeicha Question: why do i only see caldari ppl whining every time? Well it's because there are too few amarr to be noticed, minmatars can't use computers and barely even write and gallente write in french and nobody understands wtf they wanted anyway. This one wins. I'm glad Matari ships are fast, them Amarr buggers don't 'alf know how to leg it in the face of the enemy. Join Kinda'Shujaa
Angelonico Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.06.25 11:08:00 - [24] Give the war a little time before begging my own allies to help us please. :P Mimtar have outbreak and many former insurg, Amarr are far less organized at this state are a bit behind. Though I've got to say has been an awful lot of fun leading t1 cruiser gangs into outbreak t2 ****off fleets... it certainly looks unbalanced at this point. Welp, time will tell. See you on the field.
jam6549 Via Crucis	Posted - 2008.06.25 11:49:00 - [25] Originally by: Marlenus Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Why not make a taskforce to come and help them? We have. I joined such a task force, jumped many jumps with it to join up with an Amarr fleet. When we got there, we found out that they would not talk to us, because we weren't using their esoteric radio frequencies and they were too stuck-up to use the standard radios found in every spaceship. Worse yet, they were rude about it, and told us to "shut up" when we asked if the basic fleet commands would be relayed in text. This despite the fact that we brought more pilots to the fleet than they did. This. Tbh, Amarr Militia is epic fail atm. All they do is field t1 frigates, moan in militia chat about crap, and force people to go on Vent/TS when there its easier to use EVE Voice. Sucks to be in it atm
Kalchak Black Sea Industries	Posted - 2008.06.25 12:10:00 - [26] Caldari aren't flying across the universe to prop up the failing slaver fleets because they've got a fight on their hands down here. Unlike the Amarr the Gallente militia's are actually putting up a fight and keeping the squids busy. Splitting their forces to take on numerically superior Minmatar warriors AND maintain a feesible defence at home is more than they can do at the moment. The Amarrians have no one to blame but themselves. In contrast i've seen at least 3 major Minmatar militia fleets roaming around the Caldari regions, and have given them a friendly wave as we fly past each other. Strength in unity, something Amarrians never understood.
Rhanna Khurin	Posted - 2008.06.25 12:20:00 - [27] Very soon i forsee Matari and Gallente fleets sweeping over all remaining Caldari space once the Amarrian forces have been swept aside.
decoherance Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.25 12:27:00 - [28] Originally by: shanda captison Edited by: shanda captison on 25/06/2008 11:03:43 The main problem is allied factions dont appear friendly to each other at the moment. So us (Minmatar) show neutral to Gallente and vice versa so I assume its the same with Amarr and Caldari, which makes life more difficult. Once this is fixed you'll be seeing more Minmatar fleets around the Citadel. This. I accidently fired upon a minmatar millitia member last night as I saw a fellow gallente fighting a neutral and I assumed it was a pirate. More minmatar showed up and I died and it was only when I looked at the loss mail I realised they were friendly. I have now set my personal standings towards the minmatar to blue so it dosnt happen again.
Hobo silent The Revolutionary Guard	Posted - 2008.06.25 12:35:00 - [29] Originally by: Haks'he Lirky Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 25/06/2008 07:34:56 The caldari militia is busy in the circle jerk that is Tama. QFT, couldnt have said it better myself
Victor Forge	Posted - 2008.06.25 12:38:00 - [30] Originally by: Kalchak Strength in unity, something Amarrians never understood. We do understand that. But in practise that is asking for impossible. The very reason all those Minmatar spies are in the Amarr militia is to cause splits and dizorganisation. And apparently drive any help from Caldari away. And they can¦t be kicked out from the militia either. And who in their right mind would field an expensive ship like a Bhaalgorn to combat Minmatar nano-blobs with enemies in their own ranks and being wastly outnumbered? During such circumstances it will be foolish to not obey the rule "don¦t fly what you can¦t afford to lose." And considering the circumstances with being massively outnumbered, facing Insurgency, Outbreak, all damn spies, the current strengths of speedtanking fighting the Faction that invented it. The golden rule will be more like: "don¦t fly what you can¦t afford to lose.. (and if Amarr)... many times" ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwaMHJzruDU&feature=related

jam6549 Via Crucis	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:02:00 - [31] Originally by: Victor Forge Originally by: Kalchak Strength in unity, something Amarrians never understood. We do understand that. But in practise that is asking for impossible. The very reason all those Minmatar spies are in the Amarr militia is to cause splits and dizorganisation. And apparently drive any help from Caldari away. And they can¦t be kicked out from the militia either. And who in their right mind would field an expensive ship like a Bhaalgorn to combat Minmatar nano-blobs with enemies in their own ranks and being wastly outnumbered? During such circumstances it will be foolish to not obey the rule "don¦t fly what you can¦t afford to lose." And considering the circumstances with being massively outnumbered, facing Insurgency, Outbreak, all damn spies, the current strengths of speedtanking fighting the Faction that invented it. The golden rule will be more like: "don¦t fly what you can¦t afford to lose.. (and if Amarr)... many times" QFT. Amarr Militia is just full of noobs fly T1 Frigs and Destroyers thinking they can do something
Rhanna Khurin	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:17:00 - [32] Originally by: jam6549 Originally by: Victor Forge Originally by: Kalchak Strength in unity, something Amarrians never understood. We do understand that. But in practise that is asking for impossible. The very reason all those Minmatar spies are in the Amarr militia is to cause splits and dizorganisation. And apparently drive any help from Caldari away. And they can¦t be kicked out from the militia either. And who in their right mind would field an expensive ship like a Bhaalgorn to combat Minmatar nano-blobs with enemies in their own ranks and being wastly outnumbered? During such circumstances it will be foolish to not obey the rule "don¦t fly what you can¦t afford to lose." And considering the circumstances with being massively outnumbered, facing Insurgency, Outbreak, all damn spies, the current strengths of speedtanking fighting the Faction that invented it. The golden rule will be more like: "don¦t fly what you can¦t afford to lose.. (and if Amarr)... many times" QFT. Amarr Militia is just full of noobs fly T1 Frigs and Destroyers thinking they can do something Is that sarcasm?
Miyamoto Uroki State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:20:00 - [33] From a roleplay perspective we aren't that closely tied to the Amarr empire. We trade a lot, sure, but lots of caldari megacorporations also used to trade with the gallentean federation, so no big deal imho. From an ooc perspective, I't maybe would make sense to aid amarrian fleets, but honestly I am not willing to travel that far for instand combat like I can get it in Black Rise. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face
Eemaavi	Posted - 2008.06.25 15:15:00 - [34] Originally by: Marlenus Words.... because we weren't using their esoteric radio frequencies and they were too stuck-up to use the standard radios found in every spaceship. Worse yet, they were rude about it, and told us to "shut up" when we asked if the basic fleet commands would be relayed in text. This despite the fact that we brought more pilots to the fleet than they did. More Words, some angry This ^^ the Amarr just need to suck up and quit trying to force TS and Vent down everybody's throats. The vast majority of EVE players can use Eve Voice (as well as our erstwhile allies the Caldari) and its not like Amarr fleets go over 100 players anyway or are skilled enough to benefit from a disconnected FC.. (God knows some of our FCs should just shut the Hell up.) its Lose not Loose! You will lose your hauler if you don't use a scout I have loose change in my pocket. Yeah I'm an Alt- Go cry elswhere
Ulstan State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.25 15:23:00 - [35] Man, I can't imagine the extra hassle and confusion caused by trying to use vent/TS over EVE voice. Anyway, minmatar complaining about not having enough people to fight should have joined the underdogs!(Amarr) How many pvp corps joined them? As for Caldari, they're having more than enough trouble with gallente, and their own generous serving of alt-spies distributing hilarious misinformation :p
Rhanna Khurin	Posted - 2008.06.25 15:32:00 - [36] So that's the consensus is it? "Let the Amarrians burn" well i dunno about anyone else, but i'm glad i'm not allied with the Caldari. If only there was a way to broker a peace treaty with the Amarrians and thensee how the arrogant lazy Caldari like being fought by three factions.
MrWhitei God Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:09:00 - [37] Edited by: MrWhitei God on 25/06/2008 16:09:39 Originally by: Victor Forge And who in their right mind would field an expensive ship like a Bhaalgorn to combat Minmatar nano-blobs with enemies in their own ranks and being wastly outnumbered? During such circumstances it will be foolish to not obey the rule "don¦t fly what you can¦t afford to lose." Funny you mention that... Some people never learn Bhaalgorn died to Minmatar nano-blob But yeah we're looking forward to the Rattlesnake km Cya soon Caldari :)
Soldur Forseti Ronin	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:34:00 - [38] Originally by: Marlenus Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Why not make a taskforce to come and help them? We have. I joined such a task force, jumped many jumps with it to join up with an Amarr fleet. When we got there, we found out that they would not talk to us, because we weren't using their esoteric radio frequencies and they were too stuck-up to use the standard radios found in every spaceship. Worse yet, they were rude about it, and told us to "shut up" when we asked if the basic fleet commands would be relayed in text. This despite the fact that we brought more pilots to the fleet than they did. So, urinate on the Amarr, I'm not joining any more expeditionary aid task forces until they figure out basic strategic concepts like "make sure your allies can hear your fleet commanders. And, uh, yeah, be nice to people who jumped halfway across known space to fight for you." Im in the Amarr Militia and the reason that you got this response if because everyone in the Amarr Militia channel are ******s. (except some) They do not work together at all, they do not do anything but throw t1 frigs into bs and command ship gangs and get murdered. many times as im flying through the bleak lands with my corp we dont see a friendly gang all night. You might wonder why that is well that is because they are all circle jerking in kamela or kourmonen when they could be taking systems that are completly empty of war targets.
Raymon James Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:45:00 - [39] Originally by: Soldur Originally by: Marlenus Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Why not make a taskforce to come and help them? " Im in the Amarr Militia and the reason that you got this response if because everyone in the Amarr Militia channel are ******s. (except some) They do not work together at all, they do not do anything but throw t1 frigs into bs and command ship gangs and get murdered. many times as im flying through the bleak lands with my corp we dont see a friendly gang all night. You might wonder why that is well that is because they are all circle jerking in kamela or kourmonen when they could be taking systems that are completly empty of war targets. ok first off take a look at local next time, you see the "neuts"? their cloaked spotters sitting off the gates just off the front line looking for people like you to come through in a small gang to try to take a plex so we can have something to shoot at. Second, to be fair we have our shair of that kind of thing. in part because right now all I can spare to fly is t1 frigs.
Soldur Forseti Ronin	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:51:00 - [40] thank you for telling me how scouts work i dont need your advice or help i think i know how to play the game seeing that ive been doing it much longer than you

Rhanna Khurin	Posted - 2008.06.25 18:08:00 - [41] What is that in your sig soldur? looks like a magnifying glass
Take Enemy Armada.	Posted - 2008.06.25 18:18:00 - [42] Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Originally by: Wave Nagai Why is this Minmatar person requesting aid for the Amarr? Shouldn't you be slaving it up somewhere? Running out of people to shoot :S Hey, there is a good core still bringing it for the Amarr. Maybe don't bring 0.0 blob warfare with carriers (lol) and you would have more fun?
Take Enemy Armada.	Posted - 2008.06.25 18:32:00 - [43] Originally by: jam6549 Originally by: Marlenus Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Why not make a taskforce to come and help them? We have. I joined such a task force, jumped many jumps with it to join up with an Amarr fleet. When we got there, we found out that they would not talk to us, because we weren't using their esoteric radio frequencies and they were too stuck-up to use the standard radios found in every spaceship. Worse yet, they were rude about it, and told us to "shut up" when we asked if the basic fleet commands would be relayed in text. This despite the fact that we brought more pilots to the fleet than they did. This. Tbh, Amarr Militia is epic fail atm. All they do is field t1 frigates, moan in militia chat about crap, and force people to go on Vent/TS when there its easier to use EVE Voice. Sucks to be in it atm Bull****. Vent/TS has been a part of Eve since the beginning. Get used to it. If the node crashes you are still up - too many reasons why it is better frankly. There have been gangs every night. Plenty to shoot at/kill. T1 Frigs have their place, so do T1 Cruisers. Check with Angel on that one. Hella fun. Yes we are outnumbered. More to shoot at. Target rich envirnoment. Fight smarter. Isn't that why you joined the Militia, or is it just to wine on forums and in Militia Channel?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.25 18:32:00 - [44] Look on the bright side. I hear Outbreak drop good loot. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
SirMoric State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.25 18:39:00 - [45] But the Amarr has one of the best industrial bases in the game? Where's the "Veldnaught" in all this? Has he abandonned the case? Or is he lurking in the shadows? rgds
Reilly Jax Freespace Technologies	Posted - 2008.06.25 18:48:00 - [46] Part of the problem does not just lie in Militia numbers. It also lies in how many are helping the militia. The tribals, while having superior militia numbers are also blostering their numbers further by a few alliances, namely UK and EM (who have been killing amarrian pilots for quite a while). Not to mention that there are a fair number of gallente pilots wrecking about in the bleak lands. Compare that to the 24th, who are numericaly inferior, and lack the outside influence of alliance help. the CVA helps, but as an alliance they have space, and they must see it defended... but CVA does help quite a bit. The UK used to have this problem, but were long ago liberated from the trials and tribulations of 0.0 space ownership. So while the KEY amarrian faction RP alliance is unable to put enough weight into the FW conflict to make any significant headway. the UK and friends can bore the full strength of their alliance numbers and resources into it. Honestly, without Caldari assistance (as of now, to my knowledge, there have been only one or two small caldari fleets in the bleaks) the 24th might just not have the numbers to be an effective war machine in todays era of "my blob is bigger then your blob" On the positive side, the 24th is making a good show of it.
Eemaavi	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:19:00 - [47] Originally by: Take Enemy Bull****. Vent/TS has been a part of Eve since the beginning. Get used to it. If the node crashes you are still up - too many reasons why it is better frankly. words.. Hah! What you don't seem to get is that most of the FW players have NOT used TS Regardless of what Corps and Alliances are doing.. TS/Vent only Advantage is Disconnects and even then If your node Crashed you not playing or leading anything are you? The 100 player Limit? Puh-lease show me a 100 man Amarr Militia. Are you even listening to your self? I have seen how well Relay Works. (I have TS and Vent too BTW) lol. Your asking people who don't want to be bothered by using yet another Out of game resource that may or my not work for them, who may or may not have a good TS Server Etc. that isn't infiltrated with spies screwing over your settings, kicking users etc etc. Frankly, TS and Vent lacks of integration with the Fleet makes them less useful and actually promotes blobbing (Because anything like the fleet integration is a pain to manage. Yes TS/Vent have their place... in Private Corp or alliance ops where you can order your players to use TS or Vent or kick them out. But for FW and the Militias you are smoking Cr@ck. And the Sooner more pilots realize this the better they will be able to communicate. Yeah I'm an Alt- Go cry elswhere
Tyrantus 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:29:00 - [48] Originally by: Eemaavi Originally by: Take Enemy Bull****. Vent/TS has been a part of Eve since the beginning. Get used to it. If the node crashes you are still up - too many reasons why it is better frankly. words.. Hah! What you don't seem to get is that most of the FW players have NOT used TS Regardless of what Corps and Alliances are doing.. TS/Vent only Advantage is Disconnects and even then If your node Crashed you not playing or leading anything are you? The 100 player Limit? Puh-lease show me a 100 man Amarr Militia. Are you even listening to your self? I have seen how well Relay Works. (I have TS and Vent too BTW) lol. Your asking people who don't want to be bothered by using yet another Out of game resource that may or my not work for them, who may or may not have a good TS Server Etc. that isn't infiltrated with spies screwing over your settings, kicking users etc etc. Frankly, TS and Vent lacks of integration with the Fleet makes them less useful and actually promotes blobbing (Because anything like the fleet integration is a pain to manage. Yes TS/Vent have their place... in Private Corp or alliance ops where you can order your players to use TS or Vent or kick them out. But for FW and the Militias you are smoking Cr@ck. And the Sooner more pilots realize this the better they will be able to communicate. Never used TS before I started flying with the militia. Took me all of a minute to download and install and was talking shortly after. I don't really understand why someone would complain about what voice software is being used as it was as simple as simple can be to install and use. I've also installed vent just to make sure I can talk in a fleet using whatever software the FC is happy with. Is learning something new so hard? Member Of The 24th Imperial
Marlenus Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:30:00 - [49] Originally by: Take Enemy Bull****. Vent/TS has been a part of Eve since the beginning. Get used to it. That right there is the answer to the OP's question. Amarr don't want allies, they want minions. Sorry, no. ------------------ Ironfleet.com
Ulstan State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:34:00 - [50] Originally by: Eemaavi Originally by: Take Enemy Bull****. Vent/TS has been a part of Eve since the beginning. Get used to it. If the node crashes you are still up - too many reasons why it is better frankly. words.. Hah! What you don't seem to get is that most of the FW players have NOT used TS Regardless of what Corps and Alliances are doing.. TS/Vent only Advantage is Disconnects and even then If your node Crashed you not playing or leading anything are you? The 100 player Limit? Puh-lease show me a 100 man Amarr Militia. Are you even listening to your self? I have seen how well Relay Works. (I have TS and Vent too BTW) lol. Your asking people who don't want to be bothered by using yet another Out of game resource that may or my not work for them, who may or may not have a good TS Server Etc. that isn't infiltrated with spies screwing over your settings, kicking users etc etc. Frankly, TS and Vent lacks of integration with the Fleet makes them less useful and actually promotes blobbing (Because anything like the fleet integration is a pain to manage. Yes TS/Vent have their place... in Private Corp or alliance ops where you can order your players to use TS or Vent or kick them out. But for FW and the Militias you are smoking Cr@ck. And the Sooner more pilots realize this the better they will be able to communicate. This. Trying to shepherd a bunch of random people through downloading, installing, running, and configuring teamspeak is just insanity when you can have them simply rightclick - join audio instead. Teamspeak has it's place, but that place is not coordinating bunches of random people who are rather new to the PvP scene. I doubt you're going to be trying to coordinate logon traps or anything like that.

Eemaavi	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:38:00 - [51] ^^ This Been there done done that. Sorry, it's still easier to Right-click Join Audio. Yeah I'm an Alt- Go cry elswhere
Tyrantus 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:42:00 - [52] So ts is too hard to install and use for you? Maybe clicking your weapons mods and then having to (shudder) move your mouse to a target will prove to much to handle also. Great to have you all on the opposing side then. Member Of The 24th Imperial
Karok Vilneram First Caldari Regiment	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:43:00 - [53] Originally by: Ulstan This. Trying to shepherd a bunch of random people through downloading, installing, running, and configuring teamspeak is just insanity when you can have them simply rightclick - join audio instead. Teamspeak has it's place, but that place is not coordinating bunches of random people who are rather new to the PvP scene. I doubt you're going to be trying to coordinate logon traps or anything like that. This guy speaks the truth. It is hard enough for us Caldari Militia to get all our noobs to right click and join audio and get that much set up. Downloading a 3rd party program and get them all set up with server info? YEAH RIGHT! Caldari use EVE voice and it works awesome. Also we have noticed, Voice seems to work even when you get d/c. Almost like it uses a differant server or something (someone told me it does) I was talking with a corp mate for 5 minutes before we realized he crashed out of EVE. He was alt tabbed in another program at the time we were just in station. EVE-Voice was MEANT for FW. FREAKING USE IT AMARR!!
Tyrantus 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:46:00 - [54] Hey! We should start another thread about the plusses and minuses of the various voice software. It should be an epic thread. Member Of The 24th Imperial
Eemaavi	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:47:00 - [55] Edited by: Eemaavi on 25/06/2008 19:47:13 Originally by: Tyrantus So ts is too hard to install and use for you? Maybe clicking your weapons mods and then having to (shudder) move your mouse to a target will prove to much to handle also. Great to have you all on the opposing side then. Reading Comprehension FTL... I meant the part about shepherding other users and getting everyone in the Fleet on the same page and running right and registered etc etc. (you also missed the part where I mentioned that I have all three). I would tell you about the sky but alas that is over your head too Yeah I'm an Alt- Go cry elswhere
Tyrantus 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:55:00 - [56] Originally by: Eemaavi Edited by: Eemaavi on 25/06/2008 19:47:13 Originally by: Tyrantus So ts is too hard to install and use for you? Maybe clicking your weapons mods and then having to (shudder) move your mouse to a target will prove to much to handle also. Great to have you all on the opposing side then. Reading Comprehension FTL... I meant the part about shepherding other users and getting everyone in the Fleet on the same page and running right and registered etc etc. (you also missed the part where I mentioned that I have all three). I would tell you about the sky but alas that is over your head too I guess you missed the part were I stated that I had never used ts before in my life and was up and running in literaly 3 minutes. And funnily enough noone else in all the gangs I've run with had any issues with installing and using it. Maybe this is a non-issue cooked up for our trolling pleasure? Member Of The 24th Imperial
Marlenus Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:55:00 - [57] I think it's hilariously funny that in a thread about why the Amarr's allies aren't helping them, the Amarr are showing up and being condescending jerks. Ze question, it answers itself! (Props to the ones in this thread who have been decent; it's a generalization, not an absolute.) ------------------ Ironfleet.com
Take Enemy Armada.	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:59:00 - [58] Originally by: Eemaavi Edited by: Eemaavi on 25/06/2008 19:34:35 Originally by: Take Enemy Bull****. Vent/TS has been a part of Eve since the beginning. Get used to it. If the node crashes you are still up - too many reasons why it is better frankly. words.. Hah! What you don't seem to get is that most of the FW players have NOT used TS Regardless of what Corps and Alliances are doing.. TS/Vent only Advantage is Disconnects and even then If your node Crashed you not playing or leading anything are you? The 100 player Limit? Puh-lease show me a 100 man Amarr Militia fleet (not since the beginning). Are you even listening to your self? I have seen how well Relay Works. (I have TS and Vent too BTW) lol. You're asking people who don't want to be bothered by using yet another Out of game resource that may or my not work for them, who may or may not have a good TS Server Etc. that isn't infiltrated with spies screwing over your settings, kicking users etc etc. Frankly, TS and Vent lacks of integration with the Fleet makes them less useful and actually promotes blobbing (Because anything like the fleet integration is a pain to manage. Yes TS/Vent have their place... in Private Corp or alliance ops where you can order your players to use TS or Vent or kick them out. But for FW and the Militias you are smoking Cr@ck. And the Sooner more pilots realize this the better they will be able to communicate. Fine, use Eve voice - though I haven't seen but one fleet form using it. There is nothing keeping the Militia from starting a fleet and doing that. Frankly, the "words" part was more what I was venting about. The main problem (and the gist of my post is) that the Amarr Militia forum is filled with so much whine, I just ignore the channel. Granted, I don't know anything about the other militia forums, maybe they are as bad. Or maybe it is Minnie alts sowing discord, whatever. But even with as many as 300 in the channel, we can only get fleets of 30-40. Can that all be because of TS? I presume that most people don't like to fight under demoralizing odds. Anyway heck with it, I am having fun with those who are flying and fighting, so no issues there. If the militia want's to not do anything, that is fine. More targets for the rest of us.
Ulstan State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.25 20:01:00 - [59] Quote: Never used TS before I started flying with the militia. Took me all of a minute to download and install and was talking shortly after. Yeah, and it took me all of 15s to recover from the boot.ini fiasco. Guess it wasn't such a big deal afterall! Hint: the fact that some people do not have trouble using the more complicated form of communications doesn't change the fact that it is still more complicated and more prone to user confusion. Trying to get your fleets to download, install, run, configure, etc, TS is a needless form of confusion for your average new to PvP FW militia player. What's wrong with EVE voice? That's much easier to explain to new folks.
Take Enemy Armada.	Posted - 2008.06.25 20:14:00 - [60] Originally by: Rooker Originally by: Rhanna Khurin So that's the consensus is it? "Let the Amarrians burn" well i dunno about anyone else, but i'm glad i'm not allied with the Caldari. If only there was a way to broker a peace treaty with the Amarrians and thensee how the arrogant lazy Caldari like being fought by three factions. tbh, just look at the Amarr replies in this thread. If the Gallente were being tards on the same level, would you help them? To tell the truth, I would have loved to join DC's new corp, but, like most of the really good PVP corps on the Amarr side, it is "Amarr character / Amarr ship or gtfo". Not training an Amarr nub alt when my main has 25m sp, mostly pvp-related. There are plenty of Corps that are not Amarr char only. Armada is one of them.

Tyrantus 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.25 20:19:00 - [61] Originally by: Ulstan Quote: Never used TS before I started flying with the militia. Took me all of a minute to download and install and was talking shortly after. Yeah, and it took me all of 15s to recover from the boot.ini fiasco. Guess it wasn't such a big deal afterall! I missed all the boot.ini fun cause I always download the full install on patch day. Sometimes it sucks always thinking ahead. Quote: Hint: the fact that some people do not have trouble using the more complicated form of communications doesn't change the fact that it is still more complicated and more prone to user confusion. Trying to get your fleets to download, install, run, configure, etc, TS is a needless form of confusion for your average new to PvP FW militia player. What's wrong with EVE voice? That's much easier to explain to new folks. Eve is more complicated and prone to user confusion than other mmos. Should we tell everyone to go back to Wow? If you have someone in you fleet window linking the ts server addy and actively helping new joiners then it shouldn't be a problem to get players up to speed. Maybe certain FC need to get more organized? Member Of The 24th Imperial
Karok Vilneram First Caldari Regiment	Posted - 2008.06.25 20:23:00 - [62] Originally by: Tyrantus Eve is more complicated and prone to user confusion than other mmos. Should we tell everyone to go back to Wow? If you have someone in you fleet window linking the ts server addy and actively helping new joiners then it shouldn't be a problem to get players up to speed. Maybe certain FC need to get more organized? Maybe thats why you get no help? Maybe thats why Boromor's fleets end up PWNING everything around (even carriers) because we can quickly organize fleets and we all use voice? Action meet Reaction.
Ranger 1 Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.06.25 20:23:00 - [63] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 25/06/2008 20:26:08 In our alliance, and in most others, TS (or Vent) is required. You do not go on PVP ops without it running. On a similar note, TS is very easy to get running on most anyone's computer, and frankly TS servers can also be made to be very very secure as well. That being said, it is ABSOLUTELY THE WRONG CHOICE FOR FW FLEETS. You have to understand, FW fleets are not alliance fleets, you have a far more diversified group of players and corporations involved and far less opportunity to help individuals sort out any communication problems they may be having. Alliances form out of groups of like minded people and organizing TS or Vent communications is a much simpler task. FW groups need as simple and secure of a communication system as possible... and like it or not EVE Voice fits the bill. You are correct in thinking TS and Vent have some advantages over EVE Voice (not many, but some), however they are an impractical solution for FW fleet use. Sorry if you don't like it, but thems the facts baby. I have some difficulty believing that the main powers that be for the Amarr didn't realize this from the beginning. I can only assume that some of the larger corps involved decided the entire faction should go with the communication system that they were familiar themselves were already familiar with... without looking at the larger picture. It boils down to this, if you want the Amarr faction fleets to be small groups of corps on the same TS server (along with a few loners) operating independently of each other with no assistance from the rest of the faction or its allies, keep right on insisting on TS or Vent use. However if you want to generate significant momentum, bring organization to the entire factions combat operations, and keep the door open to their Caldari allies you will get over your hang ups about using EVE Voice. Use TS for your own internal crap. Use the simple, universal com system for combat operations. This should be a no brainer folks.
Victor Forge	Posted - 2008.06.25 20:31:00 - [64] Originally by: Rooker To tell the truth, I would have loved to join DC's new corp, but, like most of the really good PVP corps on the Amarr side, it is "Amarr character / Amarr ship or gtfo". Not training an Amarr nub alt when my main has 25m sp, mostly pvp-related. 25 million sp or not. I can see why your main got turned down considering the amount of spies plaguing Amarr militia. The question isn¦t if you have X amount of sp or not. The question is if you can be trusted? Apparently they came to the conclusion that they couldn¦t trust you. There are enough spies in already trying everything in their power to weaken any attempt for Amarr to orginaze and doing everything they can to drive away any Caldari help. ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwaMHJzruDU&feature=related
Tyrantus 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.25 20:32:00 - [65] Edited by: Tyrantus on 25/06/2008 20:34:07 Originally by: Karok Vilneram Originally by: Tyrantus Eve is more complicated and prone to user confusion than other mmos. Should we tell everyone to go back to Wow? If you have someone in you fleet window linking the ts server addy and actively helping new joiners then it shouldn't be a problem to get players up to speed. Maybe certain FC need to get more organized? Maybe thats why you get no help? Maybe thats why Boromor's fleets end up PWNING everything around (even carriers) because we can quickly organize fleets and we all use voice? Action meet Reaction. Strange. I haven't made a single statement to the fact that fleets should only use TS. If your fleet wants to use eve voice go ahead, if you want to use Vent go ahead, if you want to use TS go ahead. I'm just saying that setting up ts or vent is rediculously easy to do and should not be the basis of an 'omg that fc wants me to use something other than eve voice therefore the entire FW fleet system is fail because I can't be arsed to learn how to tie my shoelaces'. Thats pretty much the vibe I'm getting here. Oh and like I stated earlier in this thread we Amarr had no problems getting a bunch of admitted newbs to pvp of any sort quickley on ts and out killing several billions in isk of ships in our motley t1 cruiser gang. Member Of The 24th Imperial
Qwert0	Posted - 2008.06.25 20:40:00 - [66] We just TRIED to help the Amarr today, in the time it took us to figure out what they were flying, their FC vanished, they lost a battleship to a nano gang, and their marauder quit. We then proceeded to roam caldari space because it wasn't worth the effort.
Ranger 1 Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.06.25 20:43:00 - [67] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 25/06/2008 20:43:57 Originally by: Tyrantus Edited by: Tyrantus on 25/06/2008 20:34:07 Originally by: Karok Vilneram Originally by: Tyrantus Eve is more complicated and prone to user confusion than other mmos. Should we tell everyone to go back to Wow? If you have someone in you fleet window linking the ts server addy and actively helping new joiners then it shouldn't be a problem to get players up to speed. Maybe certain FC need to get more organized? Maybe thats why you get no help? Maybe thats why Boromor's fleets end up PWNING everything around (even carriers) because we can quickly organize fleets and we all use voice? Action meet Reaction. Strange. I haven't made a single statement to the fact that fleets should only use TS. If your fleet wants to use eve voice go ahead, if you want to use Vent go ahead, if you want to use TS go ahead. I'm just saying that setting up ts or vent is rediculously easy to do and should not be the basis of an 'omg that fc wants me to use something other than eve voice therefore the entire FW fleet system is fail because I can't be arsed to learn how to tie my shoelaces'. Thats pretty much the vibe I'm getting here. Oh and like I stated earlier in this thread we Amarr had no problems getting a bunch of admitted newbs to pvp of any sort quickley on ts and out killing several billions in isk of ships in our motley t1 cruiser gang. The fact is, you would get far more participation if you went with EVE Voice. A Faction is not an Alliance. There is no executor corp that establishes the framework and enforces decisions like what communications platform to use. Corps thinking of joining an Alliance look at things of this nature before they ever decide to join an Alliance to begin with. The only logical (and wise) decision is to organize the Faction based around the simplest and most accepted and understood communication in use by its members and its allies. Right now it is merely hindering your efforts. As the ball really gets rolling and you have even more people involved, and have a strong need to work smoothly with your Caldari Allies the decision to use 3rd party coms is going to come back to bite you in the butt.... hard.
Rooker Lysian Enterprises	Posted - 2008.06.25 20:50:00 - [68] Edited by: Rooker on 25/06/2008 20:53:56 Originally by: Victor Forge Originally by: Rooker To tell the truth, I would have loved to join DC's new corp, but, like most of the really good PVP corps on the Amarr side, it is "Amarr character / Amarr ship or gtfo". Not training an Amarr nub alt when my main has 25m sp, mostly pvp-related. 25 million sp or not. I can see why your main got turned down considering the amount of spies plaguing Amarr militia. The question isn¦t if you have X amount of sp or not. The question is if you can be trusted? Apparently they came to the conclusion that they couldn¦t trust you. There are enough spies in already trying everything in their power to weaken any attempt for Amarr to orginaze and doing everything they can to drive away any Caldari help. Who are you and where do you get your excellent intel about me? :) If I'd wanted in, I could have gotten in with a nub alt. I don't know DC but I know many of the others in his corp, but I knew about the Amarr-only rules when he set it up. Like I said, I'm not training a nub alt for pvp when my main's been training for pvp for a year and a half. /first post failed. edited for clarity -- Let Us Avoid Systems Via Autopilot
Tyrantus 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.25 20:53:00 - [69] Originally by: Qwert0 We just TRIED to help the Amarr today, in the time it took us to figure out what they were flying, their FC vanished, they lost a battleship to a nano gang, and their marauder quit. We then proceeded to roam caldari space because it wasn't worth the effort. Then remove that amarr FC from your help list and find a more competant one. Trust there are some very competant FC floating around atm in the Amarr milita. We might be the smallest faction due to the fact everyone and his alt had the positive faction status right off the bat to zerg the caldari and all the pre fw dedicated pvpers had mostly good standings to gallante for that fed antimatter but we have heart and are striking effectively when we do strike. Remember that there is no time limit to fw and systems can be taken back just as easily as they are lost. Give us some more time to get truely organized and you will start seeing some epic pew pew in addition to the already lopsided victories we currently enjoy. Member Of The 24th Imperial
Ulstan State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.25 21:18:00 - [70] Quote: Maybe certain FC need to get more organized? Yes, the Amarr FC's certainly need to get more organized. They're down, what, 7-0 now? A good way to get more organized would be to stop the needless squabbling over trying to force people to use TS/vent and just use Eve voice for big random militia ops. TS/Vent work just fine for a cohesive core of people that play together regularly.

Tyrantus 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.25 21:33:00 - [71] Originally by: Ulstan Quote: Maybe certain FC need to get more organized? Yes, the Amarr FC's certainly need to get more organized. They're down, what, 7-0 now? A good way to get more organized would be to stop the needless squabbling over trying to force people to use TS/vent and just use Eve voice for big random militia ops. TS/Vent work just fine for a cohesive core of people that play together regularly. What? 7-0? I didn't realise we were down by a touchdown. Again I'm not seeing any squabbling over what voice coms are used in the fleets I run in. Could you name those offending Amarr FC who are being picky any maybe we can convo them and talk about a compromise? We are all in it together after all. Member Of The 24th Imperial
Johncrab XBeyond	Posted - 2008.06.25 22:10:00 - [72] Amarr complain about spies... looks like the other militias don't have them Also, who's brilliant idea was it to force people to use TS/Vent??? When you have EVE Voice available to everyone, you force people in to Vent...? EVE Voice is far from perfect but please, keep it simple. You guys begin to fail even before engaging the enemy. Also, what the hell is CVA doing? But, from my experience, the main thing about why Minmatar are wining so hard is the pvp experience. You look at Minmatar gangs and 1 out of every 3 or 4 ships is flown by a flashing red. If not flashing red, he's yellow. The majority of Minmatar are used to pvp. Most of the Amarr seem kinda lost tbh. We do have a few very good FC's also. On the few big fights I've been on, FC's for the Amarr militia have been a total fail. Hell, they don't even know how to use EVE Voice
Spineker State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.25 22:18:00 - [73] Eve-Voice or nothing in my opinion too many people trying to figure out TS and Vent and you have to go out of the game to tweak it.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 22:37:00 - [74] Originally by: Victor Forge Originally by: Rooker To tell the truth, I would have loved to join DC's new corp, but, like most of the really good PVP corps on the Amarr side, it is "Amarr character / Amarr ship or gtfo". Not training an Amarr nub alt when my main has 25m sp, mostly pvp-related. 25 million sp or not. I can see why your main got turned down considering the amount of spies plaguing Amarr militia. The question isn¦t if you have X amount of sp or not. The question is if you can be trusted? Apparently they came to the conclusion that they couldn¦t trust you. There are enough spies in already trying everything in their power to weaken any attempt for Amarr to orginaze and doing everything they can to drive away any Caldari help. Sounds a bit paranoid to me. On that note though, if there are so many spies in the Amarr militia why would any Caldari FC risk his own guys in that mix? (and why does it seem to only be the Amarr having major issues with these legions of mythical spies?). Although by all means, I'm sure the Gallente would be happy to see the Caldari fighting on two fronts with TLF coming through to Black Rise on retaliatory attacks. Join Kinda'Shujaa
Blood Bathroom	Posted - 2008.06.25 23:09:00 - [75] Caldari couldnt help anyway, they to busy camping tama gate on nourv side to scared to do anything lol talk about fail... hence why im leaving caldari side...
Horizon Taker	Posted - 2008.06.25 23:50:00 - [76] If you're the type to whine and moan about TS, and can't figure it out, then I don't want to fly with you anyways. It's as simple as that. Eve Voice is a convenient, yes, but it's flawed in a lot of ways. Namely, the immense amount of lag/fps drop it gives to a lot of the players of eve. I'll gladly put together a vent server (hell, I'd shell out money for one if someone else didn't) before I decide to cave and click join audio.
Alvara Kuiper Belt Industries	Posted - 2008.06.26 02:48:00 - [77] Someone asked why there is a wedge in amarr militia because of voice comms? Let me relate to you one of the first fleets I joined. I had been in several others that used Eve Voice. This one though required TS. I didn't want to install TS since with Eve Voice I shouldn't need to. But they promised to relay commands into chat. That should work. combine commands with the Fleet commander warping the fleet; should be good enough. Right? Well it wasn't, you see only about half the commands were being relayed so probably half the fleet was consistently left behind. Did I forget to say the fleet leader moved himself out of that spot into a gang so wings were warping individually? I wasn't the first to ask why we couldn't use Eve Voice, but I did ask too. Anyways, combine the fact the fleet leader refused to use Eve Voice despite a significant portion of his fleet asking for it. He just whined back that it lags his computer so no. So here is the situation, people being left behind everywhere, fleet commander not use warp fleet and other such commands, like target this, go to here, etc. After 15 min or more of being left behind and wondering where the fleet had gone, I gave up and went and soloed a complex or two. I gave the FC a couple of constructive criticisms. It took a couple days before I heard the new rule of the FC decides the voice comms to be used. I've abided by it. I won't join a fleet that requires TS or Vent. One problem, anyone who advertises a Eve Voice fleet gets ragged hard in militia chat. And the same ones wonder why Amarr is hurting. Tired of Waiting to do research? Use Empire Research
Tyrantus 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.26 03:04:00 - [78] Originally by: Alvara I wasn't the first to ask why we couldn't use Eve Voice, but I did ask too. Anyways, combine the fact the fleet leader refused to use Eve Voice despite a significant portion of his fleet asking for it. He just whined back that it lags his computer so no. Eve voice does lag some peoples systems that use it. In this case it was the FC who was effected so he could: A) Use eve voice and be of zero value to the fleet due to garbled speech and unresponsive client or.. B) Use a simple to download and setup voice coms that everyone can use in minutes and be a benefit to the fleet as an FC should. Choice should be obvious. Loyal Member Of The 24th Imperial
Veldya Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.06.26 03:08:00 - [79] I thought Caldari won the war already.
T'Amber anomandaris demaleon Vaccaei Imperial	Posted - 2008.06.26 03:52:00 - [80] The Amarr obviously rely on their minmatar slaves to do everything for them, maybe once they can wipe their own **s they'll be able to flush their egos and just use eve voice. On the other hand... Someone on the Minmatar side should put the Amarr FCs on their payroll (if they haven't already) and keep them trying to get everyone to use TS or Vent! T a n o m a n d a r i s** . d e m a l e o n

Trind2222 Soliders Of Eve Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.26 04:11:00 - [81] Rely they need a fc from Fin-Fleet they know all good tactics agents big blobs. And they need to cooperate more so they have they know what do. As I told before some one have to take the step make own squad so you can surprise your enemy.
Tortun Nahme Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.26 04:49:00 - [82] there is only 1 minmatar spy in all of the amarr militia, but he is SO effective he has them runing scared his code name is Nano, and all the nano threads issued lately are his dead drops for orders Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Grath Telkin Evolving Paradigms	Posted - 2008.06.26 04:51:00 - [83] Originally by: Tortun Nahme there is only 1 minmatar spy in all of the amarr militia sure, thats why they were relaying FC orders back to us in chat channels....
Tortun Nahme Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.26 04:54:00 - [84] muaha scared aren't you? the truth is, our nanoships are so fast that we can get right up to your hull, hear your plans, and get off the grid before the lag catches up and you could have seen us Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Grath Telkin Evolving Paradigms	Posted - 2008.06.26 05:03:00 - [85] Originally by: Tortun Nahme muaha scared aren't you? the truth is, our nanoships are so fast that we can get right up to your hull, hear your plans, and get off the grid before the lag catches up and you could have seen us i knew it was something like that, time to insulate the hulls
Raymon James Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.26 05:57:00 - [86] Ok, to be blunt, what happens when the people who were running the Voice channel leave for the night? or gets ****y in mid fight and boots everyone off? or their connection bugs, (Eve Voice when their connection bugs odds are that everyones doing the 1,000,000 KM warp drive active dance anyway) or worse yet allows a blanket invite to people to use his voice setup includnig the alt spy? Heck I bet I dont even have to log my alt spy in the game to be able to listen in on your "private" voice channel and hear what you morons are up to once you let them into your server! or do you think to change the login every time? from the looks of your gangs you guys have your hand full cat (more accuratly kitten) hearding let alone handle something basic like fleet Comms security!
Raymon James Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.26 06:00:00 - [87] Originally by: Grath Telkin Originally by: Tortun Nahme muaha scared aren't you? the truth is, our nanoships are so fast that we can get right up to your hull, hear your plans, and get off the grid before the lag catches up and you could have seen us i knew it was something like that, time to insulate the hulls Good! that plating adds a 50% penalty to speed, agility, capacitor,(needs extra power to run the cooling system you know) heat mitigation and takes a highslot to boot! seems our plan is working perfectly!
Nikita Alterana Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.06.26 06:27:00 - [88] hey Minmatar militia, if you run out of Amarr to shoot at in FW, you should invade Providence. __________________________________________________
Cpt Constantinus Celestial Janissaries	Posted - 2008.06.26 09:29:00 - [89] Originally by: Nikita Alterana hey Minmatar militia, if you run out of Amarr to shoot at in FW, you should invade Providence. I strongly suggest to fit faction and officer modules when you do so.
Falkrich Swifthand eNinjas Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.26 12:54:00 - [90] Edited by: Falkrich Swifthand on 26/06/2008 13:05:52 Edited by: Falkrich Swifthand on 26/06/2008 12:56:14 Last time I went to help the Amarr, it was with a group of 40 or so other Caldari. We joined up with a ~60 person Amarr fleet into what was possibly the world's slowest moving fleet (10 minutes to go one system, going about 5 total, yay), got one fight, then the Amarr FC disbanded the fleet to form into smaller plex-capturing squads. We were all told to dock up in the nearest Amarr highsec and switch to small ships. When reminded that almost half the fleet was Caldari and had no ships within 15 jumps, he said "oh yeah, I forgot about the Caldari", then continued talking about how everyone should dock up and switch to small ships. He would repeat the same thing many different ways, as if his brain would freeze if he shut up. Most of us left him to return to our own space, with several of us saying (in ~~voice~~ TeamSpeak, when we got a word in) that we probably wouldn't ever be coming back. So, out of the Caldari who actually tried to help the Amarr out one time, one truly terrible FC convinced most of us it wasn't worth it. EDIT: Oh yeah, insisting all the Caldari installed TeamSpeak didn't help. nullnull My sig is not my sig.

Marlenus Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:29:00 - [91] Originally by: Horizon Taker If you're the type to whine and moan about TS, and can't figure it out, then I don't want to fly with you anyways. It's as simple as that. And the Amarr continue to answer the OP's question. ------------------ Ironfleet.com
Rhanna Khurin	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:51:00 - [92] Sounds like the main problem is Amarrian FCs then. Well, how about a decent Caldari FC go and create a taskforce to go help the Amarr then and come and pew pew. Free crumpets for all!
Random Gen	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:11:00 - [93] As a total PVP noob and member of the 24th IC I'll give my impressions of why the Amarr faction is failing, in a few small anecdotes The reason anyone is saying "I've been in a bunch of fleets and nobody has had any problems with it" is because everybody who doesn't want to bother with it or for whom it just doesn't work don't fleet up any more. I'm certainly not going to after last night. I can't use TS because the Mac client is buggy as hell (lolmacs, right?) and crashes constantly, so I get on EVE voice. FC says that orders will be relayed. They aren't, and I get left behind on a jump when I lag loading grid. I ask where we just jumped to, and get told no tactical information will be given in the fleet channel (???). So I go home to Amarr. I actually login after hours at work where I'm on a Windows machine, and get on Teamspeak. I get told I have to register with the server to stay on it, but I can't register unless somebody lets me. I ask for an hour or so for somebody to let me register, then I get booted from the server for not being registered. I'm in a fleet of about 10 people in T1 stuff capturing plexes. The FC tells everybody to be within 5k of the bunker. 2 WTs jump into the plex in rifters, and the FC says to stay at the bunker. A few seconds later he's saying he has one of them tackled...55km away. He blows up in a few seconds, then *****es about how nobody helped him. After about 3 hours killing NPCs at bunkers and running from any real engagement, we've captured 3 plexes, lost half the people to gate camps or whatnot, and the FC says it's been a great op and it's over. Net result: 3 plexes captured, 12 ships and 2 pods lost, no kills. I've never seen a T2 ship other than an Interceptor in any of the Amarr fleets. I've never seen anything bigger than a cruiser (well I guess there was one Harbinger). Nobody stays to fight even when we have a numerical advantage. A group of 8 of us or so jump through a gate, and there's a Munnin there. The FC says to tackle him, so a couple people zip out and put a point on. A few seconds later a Stabber shows up, and everybody who hasn't aggressed yet goes back through the gate. The people on the Munnin all die, since they're in T1 frigates. I suppose it's possible I'm just a dumb PVP noob, but to me the whole thing is just made to fail. It's not really any fun any more.
Khazeel	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:29:00 - [94] Originally by: Random Gen [snip] I suppose it's possible I'm just a dumb PVP noob, but to me the whole thing is just made to fail. It's not really any fun any more. The fleets made from the militia channel are made to fail. Often literally. :) Try to find you a decent Amarr PvP corp and it becomes a lot more fun. There is a thread in the recruitment forum with a list a several corps that might work for ya. If I could figure out how to turn off the militia channel I would, but it doesn't seem to want to let me. And as for the caldari folks who showed up with 40 people. Why on earth would you want to fleet up with the other 60 people anyway? Are there big groups of mim roaming around somewhere I am missing, because about the biggest group I have run into lately was around 30 mims strong. I haven't seen any big groups since the first couple of days. Honestly with 40 people you probably coulda' taken a lot of territory for Caldari. Anyway just my .02
Tyrantus 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.26 17:10:00 - [95] Originally by: Khazeel Originally by: Random Gen [snip] I suppose it's possible I'm just a dumb PVP noob, but to me the whole thing is just made to fail. It's not really any fun any more. The fleets made from the militia channel are made to fail. Often literally. :) Indeed. :) Nothing like taking a t1 fitted cheap ass cruiser blob out and goading the enemy to bring an even bigger blob to pwn us. Then the enemys members get all*****y and bring thier T2 ships and especially the faction/officer fitted T2 ships. These are then primaried and destroyed with much lulz in local at the killmails. So far its been working beautifully. ;-D Loyal Member Of The 24th Imperial
Saint Hauler	Posted - 2008.06.26 17:48:00 - [96] Well - being in the Amarr militia with another account myself I can perfectly understand the Caldari not helping us - as others mentioned a band of a few TS-advertising FC's holds the militia tightly in their hands with their main interest being to draw lots of minions into their own freshly created FW corps, most of the time not accepting anyone not using TS and even worse lately, not even accepting 24 IC corp-members now - as if that would keep spies out. Anyhow - anyone voicing their doubt about some of their tactics (like suggesting that putting ppl into free T1 frigs and encountering the bigger Minnie T2 Blob with the smaller Amarr T1 blob might not be such a great idea and suggesting the use of guerilla tactics deep behing the frontline instead) gets nothing but flames and smack talk. That is what basically makes me wonder if I'm the only non-minnie agent in the whole militia. Anyhow - the only thing keeping me in the militia atm is the fact that quitting it would make it look like I was giving in to the Minmatar - otherwise I would have joined with Caldari after things started forming as they are atm...
Sarin Adler State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.26 22:02:00 - [97] Originally by: Random Gen I suppose it's possible I'm just a dumb PVP noob, but to me the whole thing is just made to fail. It's not really any fun any more. With all that asshattery you describe I think the best advice would be to join CM right now, you will be fine with ev-voice there, hell even w/o it in some fleets.
Quelque Chose New Eden Roller Disco Supply	Posted - 2008.06.26 22:26:00 - [98] Originally by: Random Gen I can't use TS because the Mac client is buggy as hell (lolmacs, right?) and crashes constantly You mean they actually finally made it? I had clanmates who were waiting on that thing for years, hope it gets better. ___________________________________________
Grath Telkin Evolving Paradigms	Posted - 2008.06.26 22:42:00 - [99] I've been relaying orders across EVE voice for a few days now, as well as TS use. As we are aware (well, at least IM AWARE) that not all of the members can use TS, or Vent, and have been trying to convince members to join fleets again. On a side note, its really awesome that you are all holding the entire militia up to the actions of 2 or 3 guys, thanks for the support. Don't ever let it cross your mind that as more people join, more competent, or better FC's may step up. Heaven forbid. Also, don't think that some users have as much trouble with EVE voice lagging out their CPU as others have with Teamspeak or Vent. If your willing to criminalize the entire militia for the actions of 2 or 3 guys, thats cool, it just shows your willingness to be allies, and lets us know we really are on our own.


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