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hall monitor	Posted - 2008.07.06 15:56:00 - [1] Edited by: hall monitor on 06/07/2008 15:57:00 It's not even evil...it's silly and wrecks the viability of the game taken in any rational context. You know I'm right. I might quit because of it and I just started...why spend all that time to just get wrecked via a method that should be an illegal exploit IMHO
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.07.06 15:57:00 - [2] If you want to be 100% safe, in a sugar coated environment that protects you and prevents loss, Eve is the wrong game to log into. \o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/ >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Viqtoria Caldari Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.07.06 15:59:00 - [3] I wouldn't mind being sugar coated
Spiteful Soul Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:00:00 - [4] I feel your pain, dont quit =((((((
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:01:00 - [5] So instead of finding another game more to your liking, you want to change this one so it suits you. I like Eve how it is, thank you. --- Its dead, Jim.
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:01:00 - [6] Can I have your stuff? --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
hall monitor	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:02:00 - [7] Originally by: Verone If you want to be 100% safe, in a sugar coated environment that protects you and prevents loss, Eve is the wrong game to log into. Now come on freind! You run to the extreme as many others do forgetting the 1000 other ways to die including in high sec. "Hello Kitty Island EVE" is not what I want...I love everything except this silly suicide ganking nonsense. If you have a fleet, I can see sacrificing ships for a greater goal but there honestly should be semblance to reality which makes the game more enjoyable. Why not have flying hambergers and fries that shoot through straws? A: Because it's silly and takes away the rational element of the game. Suicide ganking = hambergerz n friez shipz.
Tzigan Jegos Dirty Gypsies Trading Co.	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:02:00 - [8] Edited by: Tzigan Jegos on 06/07/2008 16:02:27 I will participate in destroying an 1,500,000,000.00 ISK freighter ship and its cargo just to lose almost nothing because insurance reimburses my suicidal ship. This is ok. The dog that trots about finds a bone. - Gypsy proverb
Deyalarah	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:02:00 - [9] I think the only really silly part of it is the insurance, what is it, 85mil for a raven, 30mil insurance and pays out 115m? either disable/reduce insurance payour from concorde kills, or base insurance values off of actual mineral costs, not expected.
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:04:00 - [10] Originally by: Jim McGregor So instead of finding another game more to your liking, you want to change this one so it suits you. I like Eve how it is, thank you. considering the market for sci-fi space MMO's out there, its no wonder. EVE is the only one worth a damn. Everything else is not up to snuff, or doesnt exist yet, or isnt ready for prime consumer usage. - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online
Zinras Caldari Order of draugr	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:05:00 - [11] Edited by: Zinras on 06/07/2008 16:06:15 Originally by: hall monitor Edited by: hall monitor on 06/07/2008 15:57:00 It's not even evil...it's silly and wrecks the viability of the game taken in any rational context. You know I'm right. I might quit because of it and I just started...why spend all that time to just get wrecked via a method that should be an illegal exploit IMHO Stuff, can I haz? Suicide ganking is fine, it's the insurance that's horribly broken. Also, don't fly all your stuff around at once or fly in high traffic systems with officer fits and such. Makes you less of a target. Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal CCP's best friend
Aria Seniste	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:08:00 - [12] Originally by: Deyalarah I think the only really silly part of it is the insurance, what is it, 85mil for a raven, 30mil insurance and pays out 115m? either disable/reduce insurance payour from concorde kills, or base insurance values off of actual mineral costs, not expected. Modules. Rigs. Drones. Of course, if you think you can fight in an unfitted battleship, be my guest. Honestly, anyone who wants battleship insurance nerfed has never been in a fleet fight. Wouldn't it just be lovely if, when your ship pops in a matter of seconds, you then get to spend 6-8 hours ratting/mining/whatever it is you do... just to replace it? Oooh boy, if theres one thing I want from EVE, it's more grinding for ISK and less PVP.
hall monitor	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:09:00 - [13] Originally by: Zinras Edited by: Zinras on 06/07/2008 16:06:15 Originally by: hall monitor Edited by: hall monitor on 06/07/2008 15:57:00 It's not even evil...it's silly and wrecks the viability of the game taken in any rational context. You know I'm right. I might quit because of it and I just started...why spend all that time to just get wrecked via a method that should be an illegal exploit IMHO Stuff, can I haz? Suicide ganking is fine, it's the insurance that's horribly broken. Also, don't fly all your stuff around at once or fly in high traffic systems with officer fits and such. Makes you less of a target. I can't LEAVE! I don't have anywhere else left to go!!! Taken from Mayo naise "An Officer and a Gentleman."
Hendelse Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:11:00 - [14] How about we just make everywhere 0.0 space?
Lorna Loot Caldari Nox Eternus	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:11:00 - [15] Can I have the stuff that didnt go pop?
Chinger Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:16:00 - [16] Originally by: hall monitor Edited by: hall monitor on 06/07/2008 15:57:00 It's not even evil...it's silly and wrecks the viability of the game taken in any rational context. You know I'm right. I might quit because of it and I just started...why spend all that time to just get wrecked via a method that should be an illegal exploit IMHO Its very simple, if you are going to transport something of high value, do it in a small fast ship(if possible, one that can cloak).
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:16:00 - [17] Sounds like a 14 day old noob used GTC's to get himself a CNR with faction fitting, and proceeded to loosing it in a suicide gank.
hall monitor	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:18:00 - [18] Originally by: Lorna Loot Can I have the stuff that didnt go pop? hahahahahahahaha... I mean no. I'm trying to make a point here. OK by your's and other's rationale, it's ok to have jolly green giant-shaped ships. It's would be perfectly ok to have things happen which WOULD NEVER HAPPEN in any feasible reality including the sci-fi universe of EVE. Some cowboy/girl mozey's into high sec and shoots a ship...ok I can see that happening; but then him or his buddies get to loot the wreck right under the noses of Concord? Are we supposed to believe that would happen? You punch a cop and then send your uncle to take his wallet? Noi. Fail. Wrong. End it please CCP please please please!
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:19:00 - [19] Suicide Ganking is broken. Short of a massive overhaul of a number of aspects of the game, there is only one "simple" solution: No insurance pay out when a ship dies while flagged to 0.5+ Concord. The above will not end suicide ganking, as valuable enough cargo will STILL be worth it, but it will certainly change the math. Play nice while you butcher each other.
Aria Seniste	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:20:00 - [20] It's ironic how the most devastating losses are in highsec. Care to guess why? In lowsec/0.0 you minimize your risk. You'd not fly a five billion isk faction battleship, and if you did, the proper precautions would be taken. You'd not carry all your wealth in one hauler, it'd be silly. Turns out, it's just as silly in highsec, which is not perfectly safe. The "safety" of CONCORD actually puts people at more risk, because they fail to recognize the danger, and walk right into it. Funny how being aware of a threat makes you avoid it better than the carebear police...
Chinger Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:20:00 - [21] Originally by: hall monitor Originally by: Lorna Loot Can I have the stuff that didnt go pop? hahahahahahahaha... I mean no. I'm trying to make a point here. OK by your's and other's rationale, it's ok to have jolly green giant-shaped ships. It's would be perfectly ok to have things happen which WOULD NEVER HAPPEN in any feasible reality including the sci-fi universe of EVE. Some cowboy/girl mozey's into high sec and shoots a ship...ok I can see that happening; but then him or his buddies get to loot the wreck right under the noses of Concord? Are we supposed to believe that would happen? You punch a cop and then send your uncle to take his wallet? Noi. Fail. Wrong. End it please CCP please please please! Actually this is a sort of feasible reality for one reason. RP wise, we pod pilots are immortal, and for the most part we can do anything we want.
hall monitor	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Chinger Actually this is a sort of feasible reality for one reason. RP wise, we pod pilots are immortal, and for the most part we can do anything we want. No Concord would arrest and jail your clone for eternity.
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:24:00 - [23] This issue was raised by the Council of Stellar Management at the first CSM meeting on 19th June, together with a set of solutions. CCP are aware of it. ≡v≡ Strategic Maps in Eve-Online Store - Includes Black Rise & Empyrean Age
hall monitor	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:24:00 - [24] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Suicide Ganking is broken. Short of a massive overhaul of a number of aspects of the game, there is only one "simple" solution: No insurance pay out when a ship dies while flagged to 0.5+ Concord. The above will not end suicide ganking, as valuable enough cargo will STILL be worth it, but it will certainly change the math. This is a rational idea.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:26:00 - [25] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 06/07/2008 16:26:06 Originally by: Serenity Steele This issue was raised by the Council of Stellar Management at the first CSM meeting on 19th June, together with a set of solutions. CCP are aware of it. What "issue"... suicide ganking has been in the game since 2003...its part of the game design. CCP would be crazy to prohibit such a core idea of Eve. --- Its dead, Jim.
Chinger Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:26:00 - [26] Originally by: hall monitor Originally by: Chinger Actually this is a sort of feasible reality for one reason. RP wise, we pod pilots are immortal, and for the most part we can do anything we want. No Concord would arrest and jail your clone for eternity. All of them? including ones outside lawful space? I think you underestimate (from a RP point again) just how powerful and feared we pod pilots are. Even if concord doesn't like you, such as people with -10 sec status, there will be places you can live and people who will willingly take you in just because you are a pod pilot.
Aria Seniste	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:26:00 - [27] Originally by: hall monitor Originally by: Chinger Actually this is a sort of feasible reality for one reason. RP wise, we pod pilots are immortal, and for the most part we can do anything we want. No Concord would arrest and jail your clone for eternity. Negative. CONCORD does not jail anyone. Also, killing someone elses ship is a pretty minor crime. It's not like you murdered another pilot and somehow destroyed all their clones. Even podding isn't murder when they can simply clone themselves. Troll.
Chinger Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:32:00 - [28] Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I As the bob guy said. The solution is easy, no insurance when concord is involved, pretty easy, amazing ccp hasnt been capable of introducing that yet. This would be the best idea, even so I have a feeling people would still complain.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:33:00 - [29] Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari Originally by: Jim McGregor CCP would be crazy to prohibit such a core idea of Eve. They would be even crazier if they let it go to such an extent that it starts eating away at EVE as bad press from disgruntled suicided ex-players start flooding the internets with biased anti-comments and the PCU numbers dwindle. Far-fetched, yes, but still, not totally outside the realm of possibility. Lets not forget about RL concerns with money and how frugal people are turning out to be when the pocket gets a little bit shallower... They will never make it impossible. They are against everything like that. Can you imagine a message box with "You cant do that" when trying to attack a player in high sec? No, I dont believe that will ever happen. They might adjust insurances though, and thats fine. --- Its dead, Jim.
Nocturnal Avenger Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:34:00 - [30] Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I As the bob guy said. The solution is easy, no insurance when concord is involved, pretty easy, amazing ccp hasnt been capable of introducing that yet. This is not a real solution - as he also said. It just raises the cost for the ganker. If he saw a tech 1 hauler with 1B loot, he would most likely still go for it. btw - I really like the fact that CCP is aware of suicide ganking. They endorse it. - Carebear Pirate -

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