Yeah, no, that's not really what I said, so I don't know what you're disagreeing with here.
Can't tell you now I am 3 legal documents down the line too l8 in the day... read again it might help or not.

There is no other form of cross-training.
Why do you disagree?

This is the reason my PvP pilot has yet to stick a single battleship skill into her brain. Three years and nothing but frigates and cruisers. I'm running out of frigate / cruiser level stuff to train though. Ohnoes. : < I don't regret training this way - the amount of stuff I can fly is mind boggling and I have a ship for every occasion.

Even though it would benefit me, I don't see a need for a "its like every ship but better" thing floating around. Also, where would it fit in lore-wise? Would the Jovians be making these ships?

I'm not sure that they would even be flown much anyway. Specialization beats generalization, and I would rather have CCP work on ships that fill a specific role and would actually be useful. The All Four Uber Race ship just doesn't sound like it would add much to the game other than a gimmick.

I think 99% of the siruations are covered with two races and the rest is just added flavor no real advantage.

I did say however I disagree

In your 3 years spent on cruisers did you first do ALL 4 races HACs, or first a HAC then a Recon, then a Hictor then another race HAC or Recon and so on and so forth.

The thing I don't get is, I think almost every person in this thread is cross-training. It's not like this is a case of the Rock saying that Scissors is fine.

Relevant.

Ed: I might actually start linking videos of cats saying "nononono" on all bad idea threads. I'm not sure if there are more videos than threads or vice versa.

I personally don't mind faction ships that require all racial ship skills at 3-5. I'd expect the ships to be somewhere between pirate ships and T3s in both cost and ability. I'd rather have them rebalance the Tier system though.

/shrug

-Liang

Jovian faction ships?

Yo, Thukker mix, Minmatar speed/agility, Caldari missiles.

**** would own so hard.

[sarcasm]It'd be completely balanced, so you can make them as common as T1 ships, and not restrict the supply to a very small number of BPCs given out per year[/sarcasm]

The big benefit of cross-training for other race's ships is the extra options. That alone is a big benefit.

I'm not fundamentally against faction ships that require all racials. Seems like it could be cool.

... You know, so long as they aren't balanced as OP is suggesting. Also, there's a kind of bitter sweetness after seeing this thread get more support (against it) after being up for 40 hours and getting on the EVE forums (from the office, so don't even suggest sleeping).

That's what everyone keeps telling you. What isn't there to understand?

One of the base principles in EVE is that every advantage you gain comes at exponentially increased cost (and/or risk). This is what keeps "everyone" from strictly flying T2 and T3 ships (i.e. "better" ships) and keeps T1 ships more or less viable after about 10 years of the game being in existence.

YES DUDE THATS THE POINT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS BASIC PRINCIPLE I THINK THEY SHOULD CHANGE IT. YOU THINK CCP IS INFALLIBLE?

Okay, you can tell that to every single other person in this thread saying the same thing as me rather than singling me out as you continue to do.

Except then you'd be directly contradicting the point you keep making that you think the SPs should reward you with ISK efficiency etc. etc. and all the other points you have been reinforcing throughout the thread.

Sigh.

It was a huge benefit 5 years ago, especially from having one race to having two races vessels at your disposal. Is that still the case after all weapon systems and vessels beconing more and more same-ish over the years? Is it rwardign enough to go from 3 races to 4 as well??? Compared with the advantages of gaining other ship classes in the same type?

Okay, you can tell that (that you are silly people and this was your ploy all along!) to every single other person in this thread saying the same thing as me rather than singling me out as you continue to do.

Except then you'd be directly contradicting the point you keep making that you think the SPs should reward you with ISK efficiency etc. etc. and all the other points you have been reinforcing throughout the thread.

Sigh.

Just going to leave this here since you are undoubtedly going to point out how much of an idiot and wrong I am about that, whilst disregarding everyone else who was for the all-racial idea along with me.






Yep, merely suggesting all-racial with arbitrary values.

In unrelated news, you seem to have quite the vendetta against me so I'm going to vanish before someone says something regrettable.

If you insist;

I said everyone says YES (see #86). The reason no further explanation was offered is because people have repeated the same points over and over and I don't want to beat the dead horse. Cross-training for versatility is it's own reward.

Also, the reason it feels personal is because quite a few people are echoing my own posts, but you only single mine out with the belittling and demeaning comments - and you have insisted that I am either blatantly wrong or misunderstanding the entire thread, whilst offering very little foundations for why - and when it is not really me you should be addressing, but rather EVERYONE who is replying to you.