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squiddie
Sleeper Technology Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:08:00 -
[1921]
i didn't find any difference to TQ yet. you can be pretty shure it won't stay like this. guess best will be to wait for a CCP statement now.
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Melegaunt Tanthul
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:13:00 -
[1922]
Originally by: DeadDuck I'm in the new patch and the inty I'm travelling now has the same speed before the speed nerf. The MWD reactivation delay is gone also what has been changed ? Besides all this ???
Nothing, all the changes got reverted and the skills mirrored to TQ. There ar eno announcements so we have to wai tand see what they have in mind.
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Trojanman190
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:24:00 -
[1923]
Omg.... ccp listening to their players?
This could be absolutely amazing...
I'm not at the point where I wish I hadn't sold my vagabond... but this is a fantastic start. Lets see if they can be a bit lighter with the nerf and maybe consider some of the boosts that the players have been putting forth.
Everyone thinks the nano thing is an issue, but a LOT of those people thing the changes were bad... hopefully this all means ccp is listening.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:35:00 -
[1924]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 12/08/2008 18:35:06
Maybe they realized just how much their dramatic changes affects every aspect of the game and decided to think about it for a while longer.
I actually didnt mind the speed nerf, but its easy to see how it completely turns the game on its head.
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Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:35:00 -
[1925]
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 12/08/2008 18:36:07 Would be odd if they rolled back ALL those changes they have been working on. Too bad if they do, the changes were great. Just too many nano phag gtc warriors emo'ing on eve forums though. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage |
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:38:00 -
[1926]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 12/08/2008 18:38:21
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Would be odd if they rolled back ALL those changes they have been working on. Too bad if they do, the changes were great. Just too many nano phag gtc warriors emo'ing on eve forums though.
Way too much changes all at once to be properly tested though...
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Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
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Boz Well
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:39:00 -
[1927]
Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 12/08/2008 18:35:06
Maybe they realized just how much their dramatic changes affects every aspect of the game and decided to think about it for a while longer.
I actually didnt mind the speed nerf, but its easy to see how it completely turns the game on its head.
My money says they just copied the wrong directory or something equally silly, and they probably don't intend to roll anything back. I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if they took these changes back to the drawing board and implemented a reasonable nano nerf. But they tend to love to overnerf things, rather than balance them, so the proposed changes are right up their alley.
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Ihrda Siharkhail
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:39:00 -
[1928]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 12/08/2008 18:36:07 Would be odd if they rolled back ALL those changes they have been working on. Too bad if they do, the changes were great. Just too many nano phag gtc warriors emo'ing on eve forums though.
gtc warriors? only people ive known personaly that sold gtcs where tanking***s rather then nano***s
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:45:00 -
[1929]
Originally by: Ihrda Siharkhail
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 12/08/2008 18:36:07 Would be odd if they rolled back ALL those changes they have been working on. Too bad if they do, the changes were great. Just too many nano phag gtc warriors emo'ing on eve forums though.
gtc warriors? only people ive known personaly that sold gtcs where tanking***s rather then nano***s
You might take a look at some of the big alliances that basically live on gtcs and nano warfare. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage |
Andnowthenews
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:53:00 -
[1930]
They had the opportunity to see a lot of things they could change working all at the same time and to be quite honest it sucked unless your a totally skilless nub in a battle cruiser.
I found the reduction to the 15-30kms fits more than acceptable although unfortunately it also had a knock on effect to other fits that did not need reducing like standard speed fitted HAC's that were reduced to worthlessness, along with other classes of ships.
CCP need to find a way to reduce the 15-30kms fits without reducing the standard speed fitted hacs or other the types of ships, doing so will keep both sides of the argument happy leaving the loony left and right on both sides to there own devises.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:56:00 -
[1931]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
You might take a look at some of the big alliances that basically live on gtcs and nano warfare.
Proof or stfu.
Oh and most large alliances live off moons among other things.
Some even supply dreads and fleet BS to their members.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.12 19:23:00 -
[1932]
Originally by: Andnowthenews CCP need to find a way to reduce the 15-30kms fits without reducing the standard speed fitted hacs or other the types of ships, doing so will keep both sides of the argument happy leaving the loony left and right on both sides to there own devises.
Yeah, I'm of the opinion that your standard T2 fitted HAC wasn't that much of an issue, but turning the game into Amarr/Caldari BS's online was just never going to work out.
It seriously didn't take alot of effort to see that the only ships on Sisi that nano *****s would log onto Sisi, try out a couple of nano ships, see that they sucked, and then start fitting up battleships like everyone else.
-Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi |
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.08.12 19:48:00 -
[1933]
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 12/08/2008 19:13:13
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
You might take a look at some of the big alliances that basically live on gtcs and nano warfare.
Proof or stfu.
Oh and most large alliances live off moons, among other things.
Some even supply dreads and fleet BS to their members.
Did I hit a soft spot?
Proof of what btw? ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage |
Asterisk Grat
Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.12 19:48:00 -
[1934]
Originally by: Pesadel0 I particularly liked how CCP added more mass to minmatar ships now that was a wonderful move.
Surprise, still no response from CCP as to why. I knew from the notes that ship classes are getting balanced in general(good idea), but nerfing minmatar (bad idea), the duct tape race that is well known for it's lightness, speed and agility?
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Kreeak
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:03:00 -
[1935]
Well...this is an unfortunate turn of events.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:14:00 -
[1936]
Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 12/08/2008 20:15:05
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
You might take a look at some of the big alliances that basically live on gtcs and nano warfare.
Proof or stfu.
Oh and most large alliances live off moons, among other things.
Some even supply dreads and fleet BS to their members.
Did I hit a soft spot?
Proof of what btw?
Proof that large alliances run on gtc buying and nano of course.
Oh and no soft spot hit as i love my corp/alliance supplied dreads and fleet BS given to me for ops.
Although you seem a little put out that the nerf to skilled pvp has been removed from sissi.
My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake. |
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:31:00 -
[1937]
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Proof that large alliances run on gtc buying and nano of course.
Oh and no soft spot hit as i love my corp/alliance supplied dreads and fleet BS given to me for ops.
Although you seem a little put out that the nerf to skilled pvp has been removed from sissi.
Cute, I think we all know what alliances NEVER rat and just move around and fuel their nano + caps with gtcs. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage |
Lysander Kaldenn
Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:37:00 -
[1938]
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 12/08/2008 19:13:13
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
You might take a look at some of the big alliances that basically live on gtcs and nano warfare.
Proof or stfu.
Oh and most large alliances live off moons, among other things.
Some even supply dreads and fleet BS to their members.
What kind of crazy alliance would do such things??? Mad men! BTW... what is this Pandemic Legion thing your ticker speaks of....
Its a commonly known fact that dysposium is useful only in noobship construction and that GTCs are the only way to buy Supercaps...
CCP needs to balance 0.0 so that people how don't bother to learn game mechanics or politics can live there too.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:40:00 -
[1939]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Proof that large alliances run on gtc buying and nano of course.
Oh and no soft spot hit as i love my corp/alliance supplied dreads and fleet BS given to me for ops.
Although you seem a little put out that the nerf to skilled pvp has been removed from sissi.
Cute, I think we all know what alliances NEVER rat and just move around and fuel their nano + caps with gtcs.
Moons can bring in hundreds of millions to multiple billions per month yet you think they need to buy GTC for income?.
Now weak individuals in crappy alliances with greedy leaders may need to buy GTC to play but good alliances without weak members or greedy leaders do not.
My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake. |
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.08.12 21:17:00 -
[1940]
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 12/08/2008 21:17:49 We still go: byebyenano ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage |
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Cpt Branko
Surge. NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.12 21:26:00 -
[1941]
Good, they axed the MWD reactivation penality (was the worst change out of the pack) and now they're toying with agility (could hopefully fix the Minmatar BS agility they completely murdered in last SISI patch, as well as correct a lot of obvious agility mistakes).
We'll have to wait and see what they do next, glad to know missiles are on the table for changes with the speed nerf.
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Stab Wounds
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.12 21:30:00 -
[1942]
I think the 10 second mwd is needed... thanks for listening to the nanoweenies ccp
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Cpt Branko
Surge. NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.12 21:33:00 -
[1943]
Originally by: Stab Wounds I think the 10 second mwd is needed... thanks for listening to the nanoweenies ccp
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.12 21:34:00 -
[1944]
Originally by: Cpt Branko We'll have to wait and see what they do next, glad to know missiles are on the table for changes with the speed nerf.
Yeah, I'm really curious to know what's going to happen... I'm really looking forward to the dev blog.
One thing that concerns me is that all the material that I've read seems to imply that they're going to go live with EA 1.1 exactly as it was on Sisi last night, sans the MWD change. That's really an unacceptable situation as it leaves missiles wtf-overpowered and leaves Matari BS's even more nerfed than they already are.
Also, I think they overnerfed all Matari agilities, and the speed bonused ships should, you know... be fast or something.
-Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi |
fazeley
Empire Assault Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.12 21:42:00 -
[1945]
I still can't believe there is all this palaver about an issue which could simply be resolved by a quick rebalance of polys and possibly snakes.
Not terribly optimistic. They've kicked the crap out of everything and will now make minor concessions based upon this huge change. It's perfectly clear that the reasoning behind this is so that home fleets comprised of any old shitty pve ship the pilots happen to be ratting in at the time can get kills on an organised and well fitted gang.
I can't help but think that it won't be long before the well organised gangs find a new way of making the crap-o-fleets whine. The wheel turns.
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Andnowthenews
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.12 21:47:00 -
[1946]
Edited by: Andnowthenews on 12/08/2008 21:57:00
Originally by: fazeley I still can't believe there is all this palaver about an issue which could simply be resolved by a quick rebalance of polys and possibly snakes.
Not terribly optimistic. They've kicked the crap out of everything and will now make minor concessions based upon this huge change. It's perfectly clear that the reasoning behind this is so that home fleets comprised of any old shitty pve ship the pilots happen to be ratting in at the time can get kills on an organised and well fitted gang.
I can't help but think that it won't be long before the well organised gangs find a new way of making the crap-o-fleets whine. The wheel turns.
Ask any long term player and they will tell you that every time the full time pro pvpers have adapted the nerfit carebears cry exploit followed by nerf nerf.
Its happening this time it has happened before and it will happen again until ppl realize it them and their lazy unimaginative style of play that sucks and not anything in the game. Either that or the game will eventually get so nerfed (or "balanced" as the skilless call it) all that will be left is unimaginative pvp.
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fazeley
Empire Assault Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.12 22:24:00 -
[1947]
Once again I failed to post anything constructive so here goes.
Glad the MWD reactivitation timer gone and am glad that the AF will become useful again. That's a common entry t2 ship for newer players and it deserves to be more effective. I hope that the current situation with inties can be resolved though, they appear to be too vulnerable atm. At the very least they need to be made more agile.
Please look at the mass modification on the minnie BS. It just makes them horrible to fly at the moment. Many reasoned arguaments have been posted about minnie bs already, I'll confine myself to pointing out there's little to be gained by making them more irritating to fly.
The scram change is interesting and some love for arazu/lach is clearly required. It does however seem to go against recent changes to have a mod which performs two functions at the same time. Would be more appropriate for this to be scripted.
Again AB change is interesting, I appreciate usefulness under the guns of a bigger ship but am struggling resolve the problem of closing range first Unless you warp on top of your target you're probably buggered.
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Anathema Amat
Commerce Experts Stellar Economy Experts
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Posted - 2008.08.12 22:26:00 -
[1948]
Originally by: fazeley I still can't believe there is all this palaver about an issue which could simply be resolved by a quick rebalance of polys and possibly snakes.
I think that comment gets to the heart of it. The new mechanics - separating out the effects of speed and agility from mass modules - are just unnecessary, and are introducing a lot of problems. Simply reducing the utility of polys and snakes would immediately solve most of the issues. If that's not enough, then prevent stacking of nanos, overdrives and inertia stabs, which would also bring speeds down in a controllable manner and be realistic (I mean, you're replacing the internal structure with nanos - why should replacing it twice make the ship any lighter?).
And adding mass to minmatar ships ... what's that about!?
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goodnight
Sleeper Technology Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.13 04:29:00 -
[1949]
Originally by: CCP Nozh We hope you'll continue to test the changes on Multiplicity, and continue to give feedback.
How do I connect to Multi? Is there a howto that I missed?
Thx in advance.
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Titan Pilot
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.13 05:47:00 -
[1950]
Thankfully, the DEVS listened regarding the MWD reactivation penalty.
Now lets visit the mass factor and then tidy things up a bit and shoot for a mid Sept release.
P.S. And watch yourself with PVE changes, especially with missiles.
Grinding for isk is already a chore. If you guys start making it even harder/longer, the hell you raised with the nano changes will be mild in comparison
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