Miners just need to smarten up, it really isnt hard. Corp mining ops anyone? Have a repping BS sit with you, make it cap stable and you dont even have to watch it. You dont even need expensive ships use T1 logi cruisers.

I think what people are complaining about is that it isnt safe to solo afk mine. This is true. If your not afk and you see a combat ship warp in close or approach you, then warp off. But if you are in groups then how hard would it be for 10 hulks to be solidly repped by two or three t1 logi cruisers or a couple of 8 hislot BSs?

Dont whine, adapt, make the people who prey on you sad, make them quit suicide ganking because YOU made them stop not because you cried until CCP changed the rules. I know which I would feel better about.

It is an MMO, if you work in teams you will survive, adapt, be stronger than your opposition. How sad would they be if your 10 Hulks were defended by a pair of cap stable perma armour repping Domi's with heavy shield repping drones prelaunched and running on everyone? Fit a DC 2 and a plate, make those hulks hard. Carry shield or armour repping drones and have them perma repping a buddy, now you are solidly spider tanked and your hulks are near invulnerable. What if you also had an insta locking Cane with you, their suicided ship now also results in a player involved lossmail, and we all know how we value our stats...

Quitting is for quitters, be smarter than your enemy.

Miners just need to smarten up, it really isnt hard. Corp mining ops anyone? Have a repping BS sit with you, make it cap stable and you dont even have to watch it. You dont even need expensive ships use T1 logi cruisers.

I think what people are complaining about is that it isnt safe to solo afk mine. This is true. If your not afk and you see a combat ship warp in close or approach you, then warp off. But if you are in groups then how hard would it be for 10 hulks to be solidly repped by two or three t1 logi cruisers or a couple of 8 hislot BSs?

Dont whine, adapt, make the people who prey on you sad, make them quit suicide ganking because YOU made them stop not because you cried until CCP changed the rules. I know which I would feel better about.

It is an MMO, if you work in teams you will survive, adapt, be stronger than your opposition. How sad would they be if your 10 Hulks were defended by a pair of cap stable perma armour repping Domi's with heavy shield repping drones prelaunched and running on everyone? Fit a DC 2 and a plate, make those hulks hard. Carry shield or armour repping drones and have them perma repping a buddy, now you are solidly spider tanked and your hulks are near invulnerable. What if you also had an insta locking Cane with you, their suicided ship now also results in a player involved lossmail, and we all know how we value our stats...

Quitting is for quitters, be smarter than your enemy.

Miners just need to smarten up, it really isnt hard. Corp mining ops anyone? Have a repping BS sit with you, make it cap stable and you dont even have to watch it. You dont even need expensive ships use T1 logi cruisers.

I think what people are complaining about is that it isnt safe to solo afk mine. This is true. If your not afk and you see a combat ship warp in close or approach you, then warp off. But if you are in groups then how hard would it be for 10 hulks to be solidly repped by two or three t1 logi cruisers or a couple of 8 hislot BSs?

Dont whine, adapt, make the people who prey on you sad, make them quit suicide ganking because YOU made them stop not because you cried until CCP changed the rules. I know which I would feel better about.

It is an MMO, if you work in teams you will survive, adapt, be stronger than your opposition. How sad would they be if your 10 Hulks were defended by a pair of cap stable perma armour repping Domi's with heavy shield repping drones prelaunched and running on everyone? Fit a DC 2 and a plate, make those hulks hard. Carry shield or armour repping drones and have them perma repping a buddy, now you are solidly spider tanked and your hulks are near invulnerable. What if you also had an insta locking Cane with you, their suicided ship now also results in a player involved lossmail, and we all know how we value our stats...

Quitting is for quitters, be smarter than your enemy.

This is only viable on paper.
Nobody, NOBODY will waste his time or effort to put up a defense fleet like that. It's just not worth it and not worth the bother.

Plus you are talking to the poorest, newbies, lowest level layer of players in game, that is exactly those who don't know about this stuff, don't have the time for this stuff, don't have the money for this stuff.

Don't go to Nigeria to teach how good is having an iPad. They can't even afford to eat.

Also, the income is so awfully BAD that all this plating this plating that get Orca here get repping Domi there just won't happen. They get 5M per hour (ice) with all out thin tank and maximum yield and can play for 2h a day yet you suggest a months long investment plan?

There is only one solution and it's to go farm incursions. It's the new purple level.

Those who can't? We did not want those new players anyway.

[I have, in high, low, and now run mining ops in null, and Rico knows what he is saying. Every word is true(tho the shield drones would be countered with smartbombs).

You are willfully ignorant, and most never going to succeed in this game if you don't get smart.

HTFU or contract me your stuff.

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Miners just need to smarten up, it really isnt hard. Corp mining ops anyone? Have a repping BS sit with you, make it cap stable and you dont even have to watch it. You dont even need expensive ships use T1 logi cruisers.

I think what people are complaining about is that it isnt safe to solo afk mine. This is true. If your not afk and you see a combat ship warp in close or approach you, then warp off. But if you are in groups then how hard would it be for 10 hulks to be solidly repped by two or three t1 logi cruisers or a couple of 8 hislot BSs?

Dont whine, adapt, make the people who prey on you sad, make them quit suicide ganking because YOU made them stop not because you cried until CCP changed the rules. I know which I would feel better about.

It is an MMO, if you work in teams you will survive, adapt, be stronger than your opposition. How sad would they be if your 10 Hulks were defended by a pair of cap stable perma armour repping Domi's with heavy shield repping drones prelaunched and running on everyone? Fit a DC 2 and a plate, make those hulks hard. Carry shield or armour repping drones and have them perma repping a buddy, now you are solidly spider tanked and your hulks are near invulnerable. What if you also had an insta locking Cane with you, their suicided ship now also results in a player involved lossmail, and we all know how we value our stats...

Quitting is for quitters, be smarter than your enemy.

Mining isn't the base of the Eve economy.

Sorry, but why the hell would anyone mine when there are more interesting and less risky ways to make ISK?

The New Player Tutorial quite clearly states IN PRINT that "Mining is the Backbone of EVE and its Economy".

I agree about the Defences thing, but the other part ?..........2 year player here with 3 Bill ISK.

An Orca can be filled by 2 Macks in an hour easily, and that is 22 million at least, NOT 5 Mill.

As a relatively long term indy alt toon I have noticed something many of you are probably unaware of.

Hulks and the noob mining barges as well are vanishing from the game.
Our little neut alt corp is active in a couple of empires and many regions and are familiar with many rich mining areas that all have something new in common.

NO MINERS

Systems that once had heavy competitive pressure to get the ore are now mostly devoid of any miners whatsoever.
And this is a much bigger problem than many of you must understand.
Some mining/indy/missioning corps are now full time incursion farmers But the run of the mill, small corp afk mining noobs in a Hulk or two are fewer and farther between than I have EVER seen in nearly three years of play.
And these people were not bots, Bots are only in null, mining ABC around the clock.
Veldspar bots? Ice Bots, are you freaking STUPID?
Most hisec carebear miners/indys are less than 2 year old noobs that don't buy or sell isk. They usually take 6 months of hard work to get that Hulk that then likely as not gets ganked and they quit the game.
Or maybe they autopilot an industrial hauling a weeks worth of gametime work to a hub and that gets ganked. Same result, they quit the game.
And given the seedy and sorry reputation this game now has, guess what? There aren't any noobs out there in a Navitas learning how to mine.
Most 'noobs' these days are actually suicide ganking alts that belong to some jaded nullsec failbot corp. This game is going to fail and fail rather quickly if something isn't done pretty quick.
Nullsec is a total freaking fail. Watch this and try to see why. http://youtu.be/7zzJsA8iecA
And now hisec is swarmed with not bitter vets, but rather disillusioned thugs that dreamed of glory, but now settle for mere thuggery.
Mark my words, this game is going to fail. And when it does it will be far faster than you will imagine.

This has been going on for several months and it is getting worse, not better, not the same as always, but Worse, much worse,

The base of the Eve economy is vanishing.

A few words


1. Mining is the backbone of EVE regardless of what anyone thinks. Where do you think your ships come from. The drone poo comes from nullsec and mainly stays in nullsec. You may have some high end minerals coming to jita but once refined no one is transporting trit to Jita.

2. There is still mining happening just not as much in Caldari space. Which you look at killmails from hulkageddon They are always in Caldari space. Mining still happens in the other three empires.


3. Being smarter has nothing to do with it. If you are caught by a gank squad you are caught and there is nothing you can do about it. 10 thrashers are going to eat a hulk alive the same way that 10 gank tier 3 battle cruisers will eat a mission boat alive.


4. Normally mining is the first way that people try to make isk because its easy and being ganked for a retriever is nothing but its a fortune to a new player who has only just bought one. And changing belts to Grav sites will do nothing but make miners need extra training before they can mine. IE the osprey will become a redundant ship.


The real problem is that everyone wants to be a baddass and miners are the easiest targets to go for. They are seen as passive and week people because they are not baddass. But they are just playing the game they way that they want to. Its almost like "play my way or you suck.

Lolmining.

Also, drone poo and reprocessed mission loot provides the vast majority of the economys minerals.

And if you get ganked while mining, thats just natural selection. Being prealigned to a station/safespot and hitting warp as soon as someone comes on grid will protect you, as the ganker does not have enough time to lock you and fire before youve warped.

Miners, u mad?

You don't understand the mechanics that go into ganking a Mining barge. IMO Ganking of Tengus, Haulers is fine as in both cases there are very easy ways to defend your self. Tengus can just wait out their undock timers and redock if they see 2 Tornados sitting on a station. Even T1 haulers can use the MWD cloak trick to avoid high sec ganks and insta dock/warp bookmarks at stations.

Mining Barges on the other hand really are defenseless little lambs waiting for the big bad wolf to strike.

There is no amount of repping that will stop a Alpha from a Tornado as example from killing any mining barge. There is no safety net for miners in a group as they then just become a bigger target for a few smart bombing BS.

The simple fact is Mining barges are the perfect prey for a suicide ganker as there really is no defense aside from just staying docked and I'm saying this as someone whom has ganked several barges with only a handful of fails. (fails have only happened due to bad luck on our part but by nothing the miner did)

While I don't think CCP should nerf ganking as gankers will just find another way, they should however give real miners better ability to avoid being ganked. Perhaps add a lot more Grav sites in high sec or add something along the lines of what I mentioned above with the ability to build ships using T3's & sub system that make for much harder targets to gank.

In all honestly it should be more work to Gank a Miner than using 3 noob alts in 2 mil ISK destroyers, yet ganking it's self should not be nefed but rather countered with better options for miners. It should be a cat & mouse game and not a nerf bat..

You have NEVER mined a unit of ORE ever.[/b]