Where is the OP flying? the star systems around jita a full of miners.

so how you gonna get your spaceships if all miners stop mining

ganking miners seems to be a case of biting the hand that feeds. you need the miners so can keep buying those ships and being foolish dumbas*ses that you are.

He certainly is but he's still a better poster than you.

I've said this over a YEAR about T2 ship production, and I always get hooted down.

Glad someone else has seen the light.

I must be selling the wrong t2 ships and t2 modules then...

Link is repaired.

Isk faucet known as incursions and no miners added together equals runaway inflation.

Well, that depends on a couple of overall factors. I can really only speak about T3 production since it's the only production that I've examined in depth. My information is now old since the market was so bad then I've not had any reason to believe it would improve significantly.

Then WHY ON EARTH are you wasting our time and wearing out your fingers ????????????

You guys got your no insurance plan deal from CCP.. Yet you still whine?

A useless gesture. Keeping 150,000 or so ISK for a T1 out of the hands of a ganker is HARDLY discouraging.

It always amazes me how miners whine about everything. They get mostly what they want from CCP dev's to make it more difficult for gankers to do there work and for less profits.

You guys got your no insurance plan deal from CCP.. Yet you still whine?

Universe isn't a nice place. Its harsh with cold blooded killers in the dark. You want safety.. Surprisingly EVE grants you the ability to defend yourself. You can fight back or hire security.. Or put bounties on your targets..

Eve isn't about pressing the auto button and watching tv while your afking mining. Its about being there.. in the moment.. Living between life and death.

To top it off your immortal.. So what you whining about?

"Waaaaaah I'm a miner and I can't deal with change"

what if everyone stopped mining?

then prices would go up and people would start mining again because it would make financial sense!

All this "CCP must step in and make sure things stay the same" is totally against what Eve is - it is a dynamic system. Actions of players effect other players. The market changes, the smart players adapt, others run to the forums to cry.

Really? Miners whining? All I read about these days are scrubs like you that whine about miners mining. You're such a dumbass.

"Waaaaaah I'm a miner and I can't deal with change"

what if everyone stopped mining?

then prices would go up and people would start mining again because it would make financial sense!

All this "CCP must step in and make sure things stay the same" is totally against what Eve is - it is a dynamic system. Actions of players effect other players. The market changes, the smart players adapt, others run to the forums to cry.

It always amazes me how miners whine about everything. They get mostly what they want from CCP dev's to make it more difficult for gankers to do there work and for less profits.

CCP has a twisted sense of humor. Miners have gotten everything they asked for, yet each time the highsec bears who can't/won't defend themselves and cry the most end up worse off.

- Stealing from cans used to not give aggression. Now it does.
- Hopping in & out of an alliance to drop a wardec used to be an exploit. Now it's not.
- Suicide ganking no longer pays out insurance.

[Yet the mechanics of mining itself have hardly changed since the begining of EVE. CCP could start by removing most asteroid belts and turning hem into grav sites.

As a relatively long term indy alt toon I have noticed something many of you are probably unaware of.

Hulks and the noob mining barges as well are vanishing from the game.
Our little neut alt corp is active in a couple of empires and many regions and are familiar with many rich mining areas that all have something new in common.

NO MINERS

Systems that once had heavy competitive pressure to get the ore are now mostly devoid of any miners whatsoever.
And this is a much bigger problem than many of you must understand.
Some mining/indy/missioning corps are now full time incursion farmers But the run of the mill, small corp afk mining noobs in a Hulk or two are fewer and farther between than I have EVER seen in nearly three years of play.
And these people were not bots, Bots are only in null, mining ABC around the clock.
Veldspar bots? Ice Bots, are you freaking STUPID?
Most hisec carebear miners/indys are less than 2 year old noobs that don't buy or sell isk. They usually take 6 months of hard work to get that Hulk that then likely as not gets ganked and they quit the game.
Or maybe they autopilot an industrial hauling a weeks worth of gametime work to a hub and that gets ganked. Same result, they quit the game.
And given the seedy and sorry reputation this game now has, guess what? There aren't any noobs out there in a Navitas learning how to mine.
Most 'noobs' these days are actually suicide ganking alts that belong to some jaded nullsec failbot corp. This game is going to fail and fail rather quickly if something isn't done pretty quick.
Nullsec is a total freaking fail. Watch this and try to see why. http://youtu.be/7zzJsA8iecA
And now hisec is swarmed with not bitter vets, but rather disillusioned thugs that dreamed of glory, but now settle for mere thuggery.
Mark my words, this game is going to fail. And when it does it will be far faster than you will imagine.

This has been going on for several months and it is getting worse, not better, not the same as always, but Worse, much worse,

The base of the Eve economy is vanishing.

I think it's time for CCP to re-evaluate the 'safety' of the higher sec hisec systems -- and don't tout tha they are safe in 1.0 systems.. there is no money to be made there.. they need to have the opportunity to make some decent isk in relative safety if you expect them to start jumping in to bc's and charging into lowsec.

I've never heard anyone claim that miners are safe in a 1.0(except unusually dumb miners), or anywhere else. This is EVE. I dunno how it is know, but when I started, AURA told me 'Here is a ship, here is a laser, there are a couple red crosses, shoot them. Now expect to get ganked, players here will kill you' And was sent on my merry way.

Did the NPE stop telling people they can die anywhere and anytime? If not, then every one of those new players knew what he was in for, and if it was, CCP done screwed up, because you can die anywhere and anytime in EVE, and every single one of us needs to understand that.

Suicide ganking in a 1.0 system is a bannable offense.

Personally I think the easiest way to deal with this is as follows, as it makes sense within the rules of the sandbox:

Any outlaw who jumps into hisec immediately receives GCC.

This would choke and mostly end highsec ganking. if people really wanted to rat up their sec to gank something extra shiny, they easily could. but it would stop the daily **** of hulks and maks and lower prices across the board, and get more noobs sticking with the game

Personally I think the easiest way to deal with this is as follows, as it makes sense within the rules of the sandbox:

Any outlaw who jumps into hisec immediately receives GCC.

This would choke and mostly end highsec ganking. if people really wanted to rat up their sec to gank something extra shiny, they easily could. but it would stop the daily **** of hulks and maks and lower prices across the board, and get more noobs sticking with the game