CCP has a twisted sense of humor. Miners have gotten everything they asked for, yet each time the highsec bears who can't/won't defend themselves and cry the most end up worse off.

- Stealing from cans used to not give aggression. Now it does.
- Hopping in & out of an alliance to drop a wardec used to be an exploit. Now it's not.
- Suicide ganking no longer pays out insurance.

I must be slow, but how do the last two make miners "worse" off?

Suicide ganking in a 1.0 system is a bannable offense.

Suicide ganking in a 1.0 system is a bannable offense.
Try to keep up.

Personally I think the easiest way to deal with this is as follows, as it makes sense within the rules of the sandbox:

Any outlaw who jumps into hisec immediately receives GCC.

This would choke and mostly end highsec ganking. if people really wanted to rat up their sec to gank something extra shiny, they easily could. but it would stop the daily **** of hulks and maks and lower prices across the board, and get more noobs sticking with the game

The problem is that the average PvP'er is literally too dumb to live, also.

The fact that it's so popular to gank miners says to me that these folks are plain old bored to tears with other aspects of the game.

Unfortunately that is completely wrong. It has nothing to do with boredom. They are ganking miners for one or both of two reasons.
1) It's very profitable to do so within the current game mechanics
2) Because they enjoy the reactions they get out of the players they do it to.

I hate to say it, but I fully agree.. As much as my corp gets lols out of blowing miners to ****, all it is doing is driving new players away from the game for a handful of lols. .

Nullsec is a blobfest, dominated by massive alliances where individual players are like worker ants. Lowsec is just useless anarchy. Highsec is where the game is (for the non-worker ant players) these days, as sad as that is. Everyone who can't get into alliance style gameplay is there.

Forgot one:
3. Because they're botting.

Awww...you think mining is the only source of minerals. How cute.

I have to say this has been a decent thread for Eve forums.

Many of you understand exactly what I was trying to point out and stated your opinions quite well. Others are, well, the actual problem.

Face it killers. Most miners are clueless noobs in a Hulk. The Hulk is a relatively easy ship to get into and for a non-missioning solo miner or micro corpy, a real isk maker. You killers understand just exactly how clueless that is right? Noob miners don't.

It usually takes them a while to go stir crazy from endless mining and start to branch out into other parts of the game.

You see them as bots. They are in fact afk noobs.

Ganking drives them from the game and they don't come back.

Thanks to you all that actually get this.


pppphhhhhht to you thugs that don't, or don't care.

And er, my suggestion is that CCP takes the moon materials out of a Hulk build. Make it totally hisec material makeable like an Orca.

Idiots?

You ever been to null?

As a relatively long term indy alt toon I have noticed something many of you are probably unaware of.

Hulks and the noob mining barges as well are vanishing from the game.
Our little neut alt corp is active in a couple of empires and many regions and are familiar with many rich mining areas that all have something new in common.

NO MINERS

Systems that once had heavy competitive pressure to get the ore are now mostly devoid of any miners whatsoever.
And this is a much bigger problem than many of you must understand.
Some mining/indy/missioning corps are now full time incursion farmers But the run of the mill, small corp afk mining noobs in a Hulk or two are fewer and farther between than I have EVER seen in nearly three years of play.
And these people were not bots, Bots are only in null, mining ABC around the clock.
Veldspar bots? Ice Bots, are you freaking STUPID?
Most hisec carebear miners/indys are less than 2 year old noobs that don't buy or sell isk. They usually take 6 months of hard work to get that Hulk that then likely as not gets ganked and they quit the game.
Or maybe they autopilot an industrial hauling a weeks worth of gametime work to a hub and that gets ganked. Same result, they quit the game.
And given the seedy and sorry reputation this game now has, guess what? There aren't any noobs out there in a Navitas learning how to mine.
Most 'noobs' these days are actually suicide ganking alts that belong to some jaded nullsec failbot corp. This game is going to fail and fail rather quickly if something isn't done pretty quick.
Nullsec is a total freaking fail. Watch this and try to see why. http://youtu.be/7zzJsA8iecA
And now hisec is swarmed with not bitter vets, but rather disillusioned thugs that dreamed of glory, but now settle for mere thuggery.
Mark my words, this game is going to fail. And when it does it will be far faster than you will imagine.

This has been going on for several months and it is getting worse, not better, not the same as always, but Worse, much worse,

The base of the Eve economy is vanishing.

For eight years I've watched mining slowly decline. When I first started low sec mining was well worth the risk and mining was something folks respected. Ganking like we see today was virtually impossible and small mining corps flourished. Now miners are treated like some sort of underclass and mining in low sec is crazy bad in terms of the risk and reward. In those eight years the only thing besides the slow nerfing of ore and the huge increase in the types and power of ships to explode our barges we've seen two large ships, one, the RoQ, that most miners will never get to use.

So CCP really needs to take some time and give mining and overhaul!

Mining needs to be made more fun and challenging!

Issler

This game makes people think it's all ponies and ribbons with the high-secs, huh?

huge increase in the types and power of ships to explode our barges we've seen two large ships, one, the RoQ, that most miners will never get to use.

Yeah, really need some kind of mining supercap so miners can participare in Supercapitals online.

Mining super drones !!

They can only fit in the Orca/Rorqual ship hangar, have the same yeld than 2 hulks per drone, plus, drones can bomb any enemy trying to do whatever on ya and rep you if you take dmg. You can carry for about 200 and deploy as much as you carry.

The downside is that depending on the GM and how many reports you are victim of, you might be ban without reason or with a reason taht even the GM is incapable to understand since you can probably be a bot or not, so depending on the GM and his humour you might or might not get a butt kick.

Thx for reading this trash

When people talk about EvE they always say its a game where individual players can make a difference. Maybe that was before these massive alliances took over null?

And er, my suggestion is that CCP takes the moon materials out of a Hulk build. Make it totally hisec material makeable like an Orca.

What problem are you trying to solve?

I also don't understand the hate for the miners in this game. I don't know why I do it, but mining is something I can really grab on to. I like to produce things. I like industry. Even my IRL job reflects these tendencies. Does that make me less of a player than some of you? Do I need to kill other people in order to fully enjoy the game?

I most certainly plan to branch out in to pvp when the money and skill is there, that is why I'm in the University. Until then, can I not be considered a second class citizen?