As a relatively long term indy alt toon I have noticed something many of you are probably unaware of.

Hulks and the noob mining barges as well are vanishing from the game.

request the op to change the title to

"Stupid Miners, Darwin at work."

In all seriousness though

Ore bay for all mining ships.

remove massive cargo bays.

Make sure the cargo expanders dont work on the ore bays.

This will force the miners to put something other than cargo expanders.

60 mil isk in 20 minutes is not an isk faucet?

2) Make Rorquals be able to fit capital strip miners, so miners have an actual incentive to mine in low/null.
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Well, while I am ceo of a pvp corp its true, I also have two perfect mining alts, whilst we dont mine ore, we do do Ice ops, we have scouts in the two neighbouring systems, we have an orca and we have guards on site, mostly for rats but also in case someone slips a frigate in and on top of us when we are busy. We also use static bubbles on the directionals of the gates for an added layer of security. We also have combat or repping drone in or mackinaws. We usually have 10 to 15 people online in that op, around 3/4 of those are in mining barges of one sort or another.

We do the ops so that we can fuel our large number of pos's as cheaply as possible. The pilots,who are all PVPers or alts of PVPers who would much rather be doing something else, use their time without monetary compensation for this, the reward is that they are in a good corp, flying with good people, the reward is making their corp even better. They will X up every time they are asked, usually twice a month or so. If my pvpers can do it, surely an actual mining or indy corp can manage something similar?

If you are not prepared to fly as a team, and put some effort in to it, you do not deserve to be rewarded.

Common misconception.

CAN != WILL

An individual player can change the game, look at the Mittani, or Chribba. Just because you can doesn't mean you will, and people don't seem to understand that.

I know I personally have changed the course of the game, by providing a pivotal role as a logi pilot, which has cause my guys to win fights we would not have(sometimes even in the face of superior odds!) yet I am one of the nullsec 'drones', not even a corp officer(tho I did get my CEO to name me official shiptoaster of our corp ).

If you think you can't make a difference in the game, its just through a lack of personal imagination and ambition.

Unfortunately that is completely wrong. It has nothing to do with boredom. They are ganking miners for one or both of two reasons.
1) It's very profitable to do so within the current game mechanics
2) Because they enjoy the reactions they get out of the players they do it to.

Miners just need to smarten up, it really isnt hard. Corp mining ops anyone? Have a repping BS sit with you, make it cap stable and you dont even have to watch it. You dont even need expensive ships use T1 logi cruisers.

I think what people are complaining about is that it isnt safe to solo afk mine. This is true. If your not afk and you see a combat ship warp in close or approach you, then warp off. But if you are in groups then how hard would it be for 10 hulks to be solidly repped by two or three t1 logi cruisers or a couple of 8 hislot BSs?

Dont whine, adapt, make the people who prey on you sad, make them quit suicide ganking because YOU made them stop not because you cried until CCP changed the rules. I know which I would feel better about.

It is an MMO, if you work in teams you will survive, adapt, be stronger than your opposition. How sad would they be if your 10 Hulks were defended by a pair of cap stable perma armour repping Domi's with heavy shield repping drones prelaunched and running on everyone? Fit a DC 2 and a plate, make those hulks hard. Carry shield or armour repping drones and have them perma repping a buddy, now you are solidly spider tanked and your hulks are near invulnerable. What if you also had an insta locking Cane with you, their suicided ship now also results in a player involved lossmail, and we all know how we value our stats...

Quitting is for quitters, be smarter than your enemy.

OK, if I'm wrong, you are saying that one of the best (most exciting) and very profitable playstyles in EvE is to go around punking mining boats? That's pretty damned lame for a game as complex as EvE.

As a career industrialist, I just don't see the appeal in doing that at all. Maybe, I just have the wrong mindset for that activity.

Plate... on a hulk? *sigh*

Secondly, revamp mining so that it can be done passive...

What problem are you trying to solve?

OK, if I'm wrong, you are saying that one of the best (most exciting) and very profitable playstyles in EvE is to go around punking mining boats? That's pretty damned lame for a game as complex as EvE.

As a career industrialist, I just don't see the appeal in doing that at all. Maybe, I just have the wrong mindset for that activity.

Let them mount Deep Core Miners, and remove Moon POS's. People complain about miners being AFK, but moon mining is far worse, you don't even have to be logged in.

All resource harvesting should be done by a pilot in a ship.

Well, I sort of categorized that under #2, but I'll admit that bot tears generally involve some investigation outside of Eve, which may not be worth the effort. So, yes, botting is a valid reason.

Plate... on a hulk? *sigh*

Sure, and I've made tens of thousands of hobgoblins which I sold on the market to other players, so I've changed the game too

There's no question that personal drive plays a role, and that folks like Chribba and Mittani have changed the game in a big way, but seriously, what percentage of the playerbase gets into these roles? Do you think you can play casually and be a Mittani?

Once people stop getting such high amounts of minerals from reprocessing loot, miners will have a more profitable market.

At his keyboard. Paying attention. On risk of death.

You know incursions are not the largest isk faucet bountys are

it's a lot more fun to gank the people who resist though

"laffo silly goonie look at all my reps there is no way you can...where did my ship go"