So you guys have been reading this thread and other threads on this subject?
I only want to know do you keep track of problems people are bringing up as you don't respond on them.

The major thing I have heard that I want clarification on :


If a Suspect is shot, can he defend himself and shoot back?

If not, this plan is very poor. A suspect should always be able to defend themselves.

I understand this invokes a challenge with the "keep it simple" crimewatch rules, but seriously, if someone goes suspect in high sec, they should be able to protect themselves from whomever is trying to kill them.



Thanks.

The major thing I have heard that I want clarification on :


If a Suspect is shot, can he defend himself and shoot back?

If not, this plan is very poor. A suspect should always be able to defend themselves.

I understand this invokes a challenge with the "keep it simple" crimewatch rules, but seriously, if someone goes suspect in high sec, they should be able to protect themselves from whomever is trying to kill them.



Thanks.

yep this would be needed. Even though it would require some kind of "agression graph" beside the suspect flags.

edit: A engages suspect S. B repairs A, C repairs B. Is S allowed to attack A,B,C?
edit2: is somebody else allowed to help S to defend itself against A, B, C?

I must admit that i am still a bit confused about all this?

I mean what will actually happen - for instance with can flippers?? - when they flip a my cans, will that make them "suspect" and them making them a target for all in the system?

Personally, I like the idea of 'suspect' status being sticky.

If you help OR attack a suspect, you become a suspect.

This would force people that attack 'suspects' to assume some risk for themselves (beyond simply the calculated risk of attacking 1 flagged target) and allow friends of the 'suspect' to set up ambushes in highsec.

Am I understanding it right that if you flip a can anyone would be able to shoot you for 15 minutes? That's beyond idiotic.

I'd prefer an intermediate level of flagging, allowing all suspects to attack you, but not regular folks or other people at the intermediate level. Gained when you attack a suspect.

But that's purely personal taste.

Outlaws lose all Concord protection.
Vigilantes can have their teeth kicked in by outlaws, but not by Joe Public.

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If we assume CCP wants to keep the system simplified with no interpersonal flagging (which I think is a good idea), why not implement an intermediary 'vigilante' flag as others have suggested? I would suggest the vigilante flag is significantly shorter than the suspect flag (3-5 minutes) and remove jumping/docking penalties, so that the counter effects aren't as drastic, but it could create interesting risk vs reward scenarios while encouraging PvP from all types of players.

Innocents attacking a suspect will become a vigilante. Vigilantes can now be attacked by all suspects for a short period (timer is refreshed for every hostile action). Innocents assisting vigilantes gain the vigilante flag (refreshed for every repair cycle, etc).

I can see this being played in so many unexpected ways (including potential baiting by both sides) and I think that's a good thing. If someone wishes to become a vigilante then there is still risk involved but the law is still on their side (no status hits).

This could possibly be extended to cargo ownership so that stealing from a suspect's can will make you a vigilante. It could give the miner a chance to grab his can and warp back to a station for a brief cool-off period, or it could explode in his face as other suspects warp in and kill him.

Fun for everyone (maybe).

hahaha!!! Even better!

(Just a note though... the crimewatch and wardec mechanics changes are totally awesome)

hahaha!!! Even better!

(Just a note though... the crimewatch and wardec mechanics changes are totally awesome)

Tell it to all the whiners, which include those who are going to get more PVP out of it

Only Feature I would like to see added in addition to all the other changes is that the new CONCORD should POD anyone who GANKS for extra costs to people who due such things.

I don't follow... people who want more PvP should be happy about the changes. Think of all the kinds of traps you can set! Instead of can baiting now you can noob ship bait! You can go after entire fleets! The possibilities are huge in my view. I've been doing semi-solo lowsec piracy (more cost effective) but now there's incentive to grow the corp and work more with others!

I suppose it depends on your definition of PVP, it's some of those that like to shoot at haulers and miners that are whining. Personally I think that they're no better than carebears like myself, but instead of farming NPCs or rocks they're farming players and calling it risky.

If CCP wants to keep the system simplified with no interpersonal flagging then why not simply have a "i'm available for pvp" flag. Oh wait.....

New "suspect" flag
- Minor crimes. Anyone can shoot you without penalty.
- Flipping a can for example
- Shooting someone makes you a suspect (I think)
- Anyone assisting a suspect becomes a suspect
- Not sure if gate guns will attack a suspect. Undecided yet.

Criminal Flag
- Is like current GCC
- Killing someone makes you a criminal
- Some sort of buff/tweak for concord? Insta-death, rather than ships
- Appear to have not considered high sec delays due to system security status.
- Considering warp scram ray, then death ray in x secs afterwards.

Safety for Suspect/Criminal flags
- Sound not as annoying as previous ones. i.e. ganker can easily flip it off before ganking.

Sec Status
- Kill someone while a suspect will only take you to -5
- Pod killing will take you below -5 to -10
- Killing someone with positive +5 gives you hit
- Killing someone with a negative sec gives you bonus
- Hand in tags for sec boost up to +5. Less effect if you are -5.
- Fixing rat spawns after downtime.
- -5 can be killed without penalty in low sec.
- Something about -5 in high sec being pursued.

Killmails
- Adding "battle reports", stats and details. Who has repped who etc
- More data in the API.
- Killmails for self destructing
- Killmails for reinforcing structures

Improve UI
- All timers visible
- All 100% accurate.

"F*** off, I'm an adult. Don't protect me, I don't need it."

This is probably what many people would consider to be slightly off-topic but I feel it kinda needs to be said here. There are many (in my opinion, too many) people in this thread making what, to me, come across as pretty self-righteous posts talking about how the proposed changes to can-flipping and the like are good as they protect we newbies in this crazy game we call EVE.

Has it occurred to ANYONE in this thread, devs included, that we newbies may have come to EVE from whatever game we played previously precisely because it IS a cruel, unforgiving universe that we are given the opportunity to run free in?

I will hold my hands up and say...

"Hi, my name is Sativana and I am an ex WoW player."

Note the "ex" part. I got sick of WoW getting easier and easier and Blizzard constantly telling me I must be a moron by perpetually "dumbing down" their game "for me." Yea, thanks for that Blizzard.

Maybe, just maybe, we newbies are here because we seek a change from all that, a challenge, if you like. I know I will make mistakes along the way but they will be MY mistakes and I'd kinda like the freedom to make them, if it's all the same to you. It is noble and kinda sweet that many of you are getting on your high horses to protect me from "the evil scumbags" but I can only respond honestly and so to you I say...

"F*** off, I'm an adult. Don't protect me, I don't need it."