Also, shooting someone elses NPC should be a punisable offence, you might kill his trigger/trigger drop, which could end farming or prevent a turn-in of mission.

Hear that? That's the sound of neutral RR alts being sold in a few months.

nope, just fleet up and meet at a safe

If you start going through my backpack on the street to see if anything was worth stealing, I guarentee you there will be repercussions or if I catch you stabbing the tire on my bike there will be consequences.

Also, shooting someone elses NPC should be a punisable offence, you might kill his trigger/trigger drop, which could end farming or prevent a turn-in of mission.

Is that what you tell the TSA agents when they make you take off your shoes to check for explosives? How do I know you're not carrying contraband in that ship of yours?


I'd be perfectly fine with this change, as long as punishment rights are only limited to the person who received the mission from the agent, and not every neutral in local.

Had same thought than you. Need more information because this looks more like regression than improvement and just replaces actual wardec/gank mechanics for cheaper easier ones? -what's the point?

Why would I complain about police/TSA? Granted I don't like TSA, but they have a government appointed job. It's not your prerogative to check if I'm carrying something dangerous; you are invading private space and thus will be dealt with by me and/or bystanders (fun experiment, go out on the street and put your hand in someones purse and see what happens*)






*Actually don't, real life has real consequences

nope, just fleet up and meet at a safe

Photos from the presentation. I got most of the slides.
https://plus.google.com/photos/104420254081686601186/albums/5722733915682028897

Okay just to be sure, am I correct in my understanding of the changes to suicide ganking?

Does this mean a single cruiser could spend an hour soloing a freighter in highsec, and only get CONCORDed when the freighter dies (however long that takes)? Sure anyone can shoot me... but how many people are actually going to shoot me instead of help kill that freighter and nab all the loot?

In other words... suicide ganking is gone. You don't even need to gank. Just kill them normally with the understanding that you will die too afterwards.

Safe log off. Didn't understand that but sounded like somewhat of logging off, but being able to see your timers.

So you're basically saying that they're deviating from their course of gradually removing pvp from high-sec by removing it entirely in one fell swoop? Even a can flip duel will no longer be viable?

Wait...so I can shoot someone without being concorded now? But can flipping carries the same penalty as actually firing on someone? I don't know whether to laugh maniacally or cry.

edit: This is going to have a chilling effect on everyone but the can flippers who are out looking for a fight. Also, this is going to encourage the use of NPC corp alts, when that behavior should be discouraged.

So... it will soon be impossible to deagress with logistics on the field. That's... interesting.

This was asked in the questions section. CCP Greyscale admitted it was his request to remove that. It was down to them not being a threat in high sec. (unless they are going to gank...) It didn't seem like they were going to add it back.

I'd like to see killmails in XML with proper references to the extract databases and other sections of the API.

I see some exploitable flaws in killing low sec-status dudes for status. Not that that makes me against it. Just don't be suprised when I abuse it. But I also see it generating fights as white knights chase dudes like me around. I am all for this.

Actually if some of those changes leads to genocide all neutral alts/jams/boosters: awesome and needed

Being rewarded for killing criminals in high sec is common sense, it's the risk vs reward and the consequence of a choice, and criminals have nothing to do in HIGH SEC, their place is in low/null sec because it's the consequence of their choice of shooting everything just because they can.
I'm am not convinced if those changes are implemented that those high sec players that don't know other game play style than abuse game fail mechanics will ever move to low/null sec, the main reason being that those are the most risk averse player type you'll ever find in Eve. Expect hundreds pages and threads of ragequit crap.

Faction criminals being pursued by faction Police, get flagged and killed scrammed etc this seems fair enough to me: action = consequence

Well, those are just some lines of what has been told by some devs. This means they acknowledge the benefit of those needed changes or at least the downside of actual ones. I'm not na+»f so I'm happy this has been told by them, but do I believe it will be implemented? -not really.

So far seems a good fanfest.

ITT:

Confirmation of the pussification of EVE for fluffy little carebears, and confirmation that carebears crying because thyey refuse to learn simple mechanics, then get urp-sploded because of same = getting what they want.

I do like the aggro-flagging for neutral RR (If I'm reading all this correctly, anyway). That asshattery needs to be put to bed, at last.

The logistics thing: About. *******. Time. Someone mentioned that this probably won't effect the outfits that use a large gang of logi, but I disagree. It won't effect them as much, certainly, but it's definatly a help. And besides, a large gang of logi is a numerical advantage, which is a pretty core concept in gaining advantage in eve.