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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.17 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Brutix does not suck at all compared to other tier 1s
Still sucks
AF's won't gain any advantage over t1 cruisers. Speed change or no.
The brutix can atleast outperform the myrmidon in certain roles, like rail fleet fitting. There is no reason in hell to use a proph instead of harb ever. But still yes, all tier 1 BCs need a looksy and AFs won't suck at all. You must have missed the sig radius changes when taking damage from missiles on sisi.
No reason at all that justifies 1 mid slot on retri. It needs a fix.
No reason that justifies a thread saying there is a problem with amarr ;)
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Triest
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.17 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
No reason that justifies a thread saying there is a problem with amarr ;)
How about the fact that the Zealot is outdamaged by a Deimos at close range? How is that at all 'balanced'? Or that at ranges from 150 to 250 km the Cerberus and Eagle both do 200-350 more DPS? How is that at ALL 'balanced'? The only ship the Zealot is even remotely comparable to is the Muninn, and the Muninn is terrible as everyone knows. This must be changed!
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.10.17 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Triest
Originally by: Goumindong
No reason that justifies a thread saying there is a problem with amarr ;)
How about the fact that the Zealot is outdamaged by a Deimos at close range? How is that at all 'balanced'? Or that at ranges from 150 to 250 km the Cerberus and Eagle both do 200-350 more DPS? How is that at ALL 'balanced'? The only ship the Zealot is even remotely comparable to is the Muninn, and the Muninn is terrible as everyone knows. This must be changed!
CCP if my zealot can't deal 300 dps at 250km like the cerb you must compensate by giving it 300 more dps at all ranges <150km __________________________________
Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.17 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Triest
Originally by: Goumindong
No reason that justifies a thread saying there is a problem with amarr ;)
How about the fact that the Zealot is outdamaged by a Deimos at close range? How is that at all 'balanced'? Or that at ranges from 150 to 250 km the Cerberus and Eagle both do 200-350 more DPS? How is that at ALL 'balanced'? The only ship the Zealot is even remotely comparable to is the Muninn, and the Muninn is terrible as everyone knows. This must be changed!
Go troll someone else.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.18 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
No reason that justifies a thread saying there is a problem with amarr ;)
So let me get this straight. You think ccp should not fix broken stuff if it belongs to a popular race? ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage |
whisk
Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.18 11:10:00 -
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wish minmatar had this problems
Adapt or Die
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.18 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Goumindong
No reason that justifies a thread saying there is a problem with amarr ;)
So let me get this straight. You think ccp should not fix broken stuff if it belongs to a popular race?
No, i think people shouldn't whine about amarr problems if the problem isn't with Amarr.
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.10.18 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 18/10/2008 17:15:43 Edited by: madaluap on 18/10/2008 17:14:22
Originally by: Angelic Eviaran
Originally by: Trind2222 Edited by: Trind2222 on 25/09/2008 21:52:56 Recon ship Only: worst and best
1 Worst ship: Lachesis No point of have this ship no more. Need a 10% bonus to Remote Sensor Dampener effectiveness per level 20% bonus to Remote Sensor Dampener optimal range per level replaced for warp disruptor range as is now. 2 Worst ship: Arazu Same Problem
3 Worst ship: Huginn after nano nerf
4 Worst ship: Rapier After nano nerf
5 ok ships : Pilgrim No idea to do maybe a nos range bonus instead of Tracking Disruptor effectiveness bonus
5 more then ok : Curse only problem is not use full in a large gang.
6 Secon best : Rook
7 Best of the Best: Falcon only one problem no dps ship.
By the way amarr is more then fine.
I didnt quite understand what you were trying to say. Yes we know amarr as a race is allright. Still doesnt change the fact that these ships are broken.
Oh geez, this is so typical. Just ignore good counter-arguments and keep on whining so the thread gets bigger with useless pro-amarr spam. But no problem ill help:
When you said tier 1 BC sucked you compared the Prophecy with the Brutix. Thats normal, you compare ships with the best ship in its class. So best tier 1 bc is brutix atm.
What this guy did is exactly the same, he made a (imo) good list of the most usefull and powerfull recons. The gallente recons are the worst, after nano nerf the minmatar ones.
This leaves with amarr and caldari. Caldari is the most powerfull because jamming is very powerfull atm. This makes amarr recons the 2e best.
The only place the amarr recons can take if you boost em, is first place. So what you want is amarr recons to be the best. There is one problem to this. A lot of amarr ships are allready number #1.
If you have a lot of very good amarr ships, than its weird to ask for all amarr ships to be the best. There is something very ****ed up in that reasoning...Cause in the end there will be no reason to train for other races. If you want to achieve game balance every race should have a certain niche and strong points, just like they would need weakpoints.
Hopefully that clears some stuff up. _________________________________________________ |
Angelic Eviaran
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Posted - 2008.10.18 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Oh geez, this is so typical. Just ignore good counter-arguments and keep on whining so the thread gets bigger with useless pro-amarr spam. But no problem ill help:
When you said tier 1 BC sucked you compared the Prophecy with the Brutix. Thats normal, you compare ships with the best ship in its class. So best tier 1 bc is brutix atm.
What this guy did is exactly the same, he made a (imo) good list of the most usefull and powerfull recons. The gallente recons are the worst, after nano nerf the minmatar ones.
This leaves with amarr and caldari. Caldari is the most powerfull because jamming is very powerfull atm. This makes amarr recons the 2e best.
The only place the amarr recons can take if you boost em, is first place. So what you want is amarr recons to be the best. There is one problem to this. A lot of amarr ships are allready number #1.
If you have a lot of very good amarr ships, than its weird to ask for all amarr ships to be the best. There is something very ****ed up in that reasoning...Cause in the end there will be no reason to train for other races. If you want to achieve game balance every race should have a certain niche and strong points, just like they would need weakpoints.
Hopefully that clears some stuff up.
1. Are there useful roles that a brutix can outperform the myrmidon in by noticable amount? YES. Are there useful roles that a prophecy can outperform the harbinger in by noticable amount? NO.
2. You comparing pre nerf curse to post nerf huginn. You fail right there. End of story.
3. To say that the broken ships of a race do not need fixing or attention just because some other ship in the same race is good is like saying that gallente should rot in the gutter for 3 years now because they were fotm pvp race for just as long. See how that logic works? I bet you don't because you wouldn't have typed up such things in your post above if you would have.
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Crysalis PenDragon
Vasari Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.19 17:59:00 -
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Amarr is very powerful. Minmatar is not. Why is the minmatar still slaves to the Amarr? I thought they won their independence? But yet with all the problems they have i think the Amarr got bored with them and let em go Forgotten Dreams |
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.10.19 18:31:00 -
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The biggest problem with amarr is that lasers are overpowered and need a nerf.
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sdthujfg
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Posted - 2008.10.19 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet The biggest problem with amarr is that lasers are overpowered and need a nerf.
Your posting rights are overpowered and need a nerf.
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Gustav Seriya
Revolution X
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Posted - 2008.10.19 19:18:00 -
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Every race's ships need to be analyzed and adjusted. Every ship needs a role to fill, the problem is you have one ship from each class that clearly trumps the others in (what seems to me) all roles.
Take the Brutix/myrm. They are the closest to "seperate role" ships I can think of. The myrm is brutal with it's drones and with projectile weapons is one damned fine ship. The brutix is a better gate camper by far (at least for my skills/style). However, away from the gate, the myrm out-performs the brute in any aspect I can think of.
As I said, they are the closest to being seperate that I can think of, and it's still pretty one-sided. The cyclone / hurricane? A freakin joke. I haven't seen a cyclone outside of a hangar in years. Do they even still make them? Give it a role. Make it a good shield tanker with a decent set of bonuses and a slot layout to distinguish itself. Matter of fact, do this for all ships the same as frigates have been treated. Every frigate has a role within it's racial line-up. Why can't the bigger boats get it?
Hell, I'd be happy with the cyclone being a heavy exploration ship ffs, give it a recon probe advantage. Make the other a combat ship, just make it useful for something.
Point is, saying amarr needs fixed is kind of useless. Every race's ships need a serious re-vamp. It's a pvp game. give us more options for doing just that!
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Shira Rayborn
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Posted - 2008.10.20 16:14:00 -
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Yes good post above. Though anyone claiming retribution is/will be fine needs to get a clue.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.20 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: LadyLubU2 Nerf falcons....errrr...wai...
That too tbh. Nerf falcons. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage |
LadyLubU2
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.20 17:25:00 -
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Falcons and retributions tbqfhwy. -- Sig:
NARF FALCONS!!!
Please resixe image to the maxiumum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.20 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: LadyLubU2 Falcons and retributions tbqfhwy.
I hope you meant nerf falcons and boost retribution. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage |
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.22 00:49:00 -
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Bumped for retribution fix. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage |
eXtas
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2008.10.22 00:52:00 -
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yeah fix retri! and change the bonuses on jag and wolf! --------
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.22 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: eXtas yeah fix retri! and change the bonuses on jag and wolf!
They need to look at all AFs anyway. Add a bonus. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage |
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Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins
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Posted - 2008.10.22 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: sdthujfg
Originally by: Esmenet The biggest problem with amarr is that lasers are overpowered and need a nerf.
Your posting rights are overpowered and need a nerf.
/signed
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Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins
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Posted - 2008.10.22 08:04:00 -
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yea retri needs to be fixed 1 mid slot is epic fail
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Chronospin
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.10.22 09:36:00 -
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lol !
All we can say is that Amarr race sux big time. After all this years of domination over the Minmatars... Freakin band of whiners
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SirDanceAlot
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Posted - 2008.10.29 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: Chronospin lol !
All we can say is that Amarr race sux big time. After all this years of domination over the Minmatars... Freakin band of whiners
Maybe stay on topic and point out why the ships the OP mentioned are just fine?
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Shira Rayborn
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Posted - 2008.10.29 06:22:00 -
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Imo the omen is pretty darn crummy even after the so called boost.
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SirDanceAlot
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Posted - 2008.10.29 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shira Rayborn Imo the omen is pretty darn crummy even after the so called boost.
Yea, I can't belive it didn't get extra grid.
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Evan Batarr
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Posted - 2008.10.29 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran Long Amarr whine
OMG, you must be fecking joking. Amarr got boosted so badly they now rule. Have a look at Minmatar ships (especially AFTER the next nerf)and then tell me again that Amarr should be boosted even further. Just try to set up a decent Fleet Sniper (Locking & Shooting over 220 km and DD proof).
What a ******ed post!!!
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SirDanceAlot
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Posted - 2008.10.29 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Evan Batarr
Originally by: Angelic Eviaran Long Amarr whine
OMG, you must be fecking joking. Amarr got boosted so badly they now rule. Have a look at Minmatar ships (especially AFTER the next nerf)and then tell me again that Amarr should be boosted even further. Just try to set up a decent Fleet Sniper (Locking & Shooting over 220 km and DD proof).
What a ******ed post!!!
So let's not fix broken things? It's like saying projectiles can never be broken because they have zero cap use wich is infinately less cap use then other turrets.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Taradis yea retri needs to be fixed 1 mid slot is epic fail
This, cmon. 1 more mid ccp. ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise |
Rhadamantine
Game Community
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Posted - 2008.10.29 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Taradis yea retri needs to be fixed 1 mid slot is epic fail
This, cmon. 1 more mid ccp.
Nah it's fine.
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