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Holy Lowlander
Aurora Acclivitous
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:07:00 -
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amarr doesn't need fixes ....
Amarr surely isn't the least powerfull race in new eden at all.
There are only 3 things I can come up with .
the augoror ... but then the mimmy version is worse.....
Maller and Omen should switch places indeed....
The retribution is a ship with a tackeling role with only 1 medslot ........... .... .... .... .... ... .... .....
But then we get :
The best sniper ingame
The best range on shortrange guns ingame.
The best tanks in game.
A badass capital line up.
No need for ammo .
Some of the best damage ships ingame.
A HAC lineup that will be perfectly fine after the nano nerf.
Ships with Neut bonusses =O
Ships with Neut bonusses =O
Ships with Neut bonusses =O
I think there should be a boos the mimmatar tread imo ...
They have the tempest ....
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Lili Lu
Victory Not Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:16:00 -
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no argument from me that tech 1 minmatar could use some buff too.
yes, amarr tech 1 has been buffed a bit already. just there are a few lagards.
Minmatar and Amarr could join forces to depose the Gallente-Caldari supremacy 
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Dristra
Amarr
Shadows of the Dead
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.15 21:56:00 -
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As said many times before: the 50% cap use bonus limits ships and creates slimy butt-foam like the maller and propecy.
And this is a proff that while lasers are a viable weapon system, it also shows that without other bonuses than cap use they are rather meh
Support the introduction of well thought out Amarr solutions!
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Greckor Monmouth
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.08.15 23:37:00 -
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some amarr ships could use some lovin..........
BUUUUUUUUUUT
Minmatar ships need more.
Amarr are kinda like the middle child who is treated (very) well, but isnt given as much attention as the baby. Minnie are like the oldest, who has to serve the baby 24/7 and not get payed for it. Plz CCP, give your children some love?
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Corstaad
Minmatar
Vardr ok Lidskjalv
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.15 23:47:00 -
[95]
Slowly read thru the starter thread. Its a troll listing every races problems.
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JamnOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.15 23:56:00 -
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Only want to comment on a couple of ships:
Omen - Agree, needs more power.
Maller - is good for noobs learning how to run missions.
Curse - We are Amarr, we shouldn't nano/speed tank.
Proph - I like this ship. It has a good tank and with some decent missile skills and a good drone combination it can do some decent damage. Yes, it only has one launcher that is why you add drones.
Crystals - if you change the way we load them then there will be multi-page, multi-thread whines from missile users.
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Ekrid
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Posted - 2008.08.16 02:00:00 -
[97]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Edited by: DigitalCommunist on 15/08/2008 16:16:36
This thread is nothing but a random swing in the dark to blanket boost Amarr. Everything I've read so far suggests that most people don't know what they're talking about. Amarr ships do suffer issues, but on average, aren't any worse than the ships of other races. That's because every ship in the game faces one common problem: another ship can do the same job.
As an example, talking about any changes to specific AF is incredibly stupid when the entire class is worthless for the same exact reason. No matter what stats you give them, they will die to ships that are bigger and better. You can boost damage by 50% and it wouldn't matter when a tech 1 cruiser that's cheaper will take you to school.
I would say the vast majority of any valid Amarr complaints could be absolved by stretching the signature radius spectrum. Don't know what I'm talking about?
Click Here
I made that a while ago to demonstrate this point. So go ahead, change all the stats you want. It won't matter because you have FIFTY ships with an average of 40m signature radius (+/- 18). Its tactically insignificant when you take microwarpdrives out of the equation, which is why everything comes down to speed, followed by agility.
Fleet battles were somewhat balanced by the need to individually tackle the enemy ships, but now you have Interdictors and HICs. Anyone who brings a Inty/AF/Frigate to the fight is essentially a worthless idiot. The only way you can say they're better off having said ship, is when you compare it to the scenario when the pilot doesn't even show up. And with the size/lag of some huge fights these days, even that much is questionable.
I always love it when idiots compare a one class of ship to another as if thats a basis for comparison.
AFs should tank and DPS like cruisers? please, nub...
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incubus 667
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Posted - 2008.08.16 02:03:00 -
[98]
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 15/08/2008 14:09:19
nvm.. can't be bothered.
I know exactly how you feel.
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incubus 667
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Posted - 2008.08.16 02:09:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Lili Lu
no argument from me that tech 1 minmatar could use some buff too.
yes, amarr tech 1 has been buffed a bit already. just there are a few lagards.
Minmatar and Amarr could join forces to depose the Gallente-Caldari supremacy
Have you been playing eve for the last year? You see the phone is ringing here and I'm pretty sure its 2006 asking for its ballance back.
What is this gallente caldari supremacy you talk of, there was me thinking that the vaga and curse were all I was likely meet in lowsec...
But apparently gallente and caldari are the best in game? I'm afraid I need more convincing.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.16 02:23:00 -
[100]
Currently it's Amarr-Caldari supremacy. We'll see how hard CCP nerfs missiles.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.08.16 04:43:00 -
[101]
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Currently it's Amarr-Caldari supremacy. We'll see how hard CCP nerfs missiles.
I'm looking forward to the missile fix, they were way overpowered on sisi after nano changes.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.16 04:44:00 -
[102]
Your sig made me do a double take. You may have to rename your video. 
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.08.16 04:49:00 -
[103]
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Your sig made me do a double take. You may have to rename your video.
But I don't want to rename it. 
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.16 04:51:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Your sig made me do a double take. You may have to rename your video.
But I don't want to rename it.
I always knew your were a closet minmatar lover. Accept your new found fate!
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:04:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 16/08/2008 05:04:15
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Your sig made me do a double take. You may have to rename your video.
But I don't want to rename it.
I always knew your were a closet minmatar lover. Accept your new found fate!
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
I think I made my point
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Lili Lu
Victory Not Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:21:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Lili Lu on 16/08/2008 05:21:05
Originally by: incubus 667
Originally by: Lili Lu
no argument from me that tech 1 minmatar could use some buff too.
yes, amarr tech 1 has been buffed a bit already. just there are a few lagards.
Minmatar and Amarr could join forces to depose the Gallente-Caldari supremacy
Have you been playing eve for the last year? You see the phone is ringing here and I'm pretty sure its 2006 asking for its ballance back.
What is this gallente caldari supremacy you talk of, there was me thinking that the vaga and curse were all I was likely meet in lowsec...
But apparently gallente and caldari are the best in game? I'm afraid I need more convincing.
What no falcons and ishtars? phone stopped ringing?
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:39:00 -
[107]
*Watches as his T2 Tachaddon 3 volleys Hacs @ 170km*
Yeah Boost Amarr Already FFS.. 
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Holy Lowlander
Aurora Acclivitous
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.16 07:14:00 -
[108]
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Currently it's Amarr-Caldari supremacy. We'll see how hard CCP nerfs missiles.
is going to be caldari/amarr specced pure for the Onyx <3 .
If one thing bothers me that should get nerfed its Passive shield tanking ... its just d'oh.
You can get a way to good HP/tankable damage ratio with that.....
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.08.16 07:20:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Holy Lowlander
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Currently it's Amarr-Caldari supremacy. We'll see how hard CCP nerfs missiles.
is going to be caldari/amarr specced pure for the Onyx <3 .
If one thing bothers me that should get nerfed its Passive shield tanking ... its just d'oh.
You can get a way to good HP/tankable damage ratio with that.....
Other than the Hic I don't see much of a problem with passive shield tanking - it's not like you're being tackled by such a ship anyway. Unless you count the Ham Drake's 2 invuls 1 extender as a passive tank, I mean yes I get like 14hp/s passive regen TOPS but geez - throw an extender on YOUR bc and you can have the same thing.
The HIC's tank is absolutely massive but it IS expected to hold down mother ships and titans so it's expecting some pretty heavy fire in it's operational life. Anything short of "stout" on the tank and you probaly won't do anybody much good (except the MS/Titan pilot who didn't get tackled)
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Gamov
Holy Church Of Garmonism
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Posted - 2008.08.16 10:37:00 -
[110]
the armageddon has a serious problem
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Holy Lowlander
Aurora Acclivitous
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.16 10:43:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Gamov
the armageddon has a serious problem
yup its to damn powerfull :)
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Elhina Novae
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.08.16 11:16:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Elhina Novae on 16/08/2008 11:15:44
Originally by: Holy Lowlander
Originally by: Gamov
the armageddon has a serious problem
yup its to damn powerfull :)
No I want 10% RoF per level its useless today
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Originally by: Boz Well
Originally by: SurrenderMonkey
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There's an Amarr problem?
Nothing that can't be solved by more Minmatar nerfs.
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Angelic Eviaran
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Posted - 2008.08.16 11:25:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Zeba
*Watches as his T2 Tachaddon 3 volleys Hacs @ 170km*
Yeah Boost Amarr Already FFS..
But we are talking about the broken ships here. Don't go off topic please.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.08.17 10:52:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Dristra
As said many times before: the 50% cap use bonus limits ships and creates slimy butt-foam like the maller and propecy.
And this is a proff that while lasers are a viable weapon system, it also shows that without other bonuses than cap use they are rather meh
Well thats why we need to give those ships good bonuses like drone, range or damage. Those are still within the barrier of amarr perks.
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Rei Crye
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Posted - 2008.08.17 11:14:00 -
[115]
Amarr are 100% totally fine, some meh ships. But all round a great race to fly. Started training them a long time ago, back when some people called them a joke .
Oh yea, Armor tanked curse for the win.
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Dristra
Amarr
Shadows of the Dead
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.17 11:50:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Dristra
As said many times before: the 50% cap use bonus limits ships and creates slimy butt-foam like the maller and propecy.
And this is a proff that while lasers are a viable weapon system, it also shows that without other bonuses than cap use they are rather meh
Well thats why we need to give those ships good bonuses like drone, range or damage. Those are still within the barrier of amarr perks.
Hoping more for a general rebalance, look at the abaddon, lasers need the cap use balance to not be overpowered, as the abaddon without cap issues whould be rather broken, but then again the abaddon is what all amarr ships chould be: able to tank or gank, or a bit of both. (tbh i find the ship has TO much cap issues)
One idea i have had is to replace the cap use bonus with a plain cap bonus, and reduce laser cap use slightly, the extra cap when not shooting whould allow amarr more flexibility in the form of being the cap race.
Support the introduction of well thought out Amarr solutions!
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Berendas
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Posted - 2008.08.17 16:42:00 -
[117]
I agree with all of the OP's points, but special emphasis should be put on the Retribution. With the impending speed changes AF's will become a lot more common and its not fair to most Amarr pilots that the only AF that uses their primary weapon system should be totally useless in PVP.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.08.17 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Berendas
I agree with all of the OP's points, but special emphasis should be put on the Retribution. With the impending speed changes AF's will become a lot more common and its not fair to most Amarr pilots that the only AF that uses their primary weapon system should be totally useless in PVP.
I'll be sad if retri will be the only AF after patch that can't solo :-(
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Naomi Knight
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.17 19:04:00 -
[119]
Most of you thinks amarr is a good race for pvp ,maybe true ,but these ships clearly need a buff, so buff them.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.08.17 19:10:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Naomi Knight
Most of you thinks amarr is a good race for pvp ,maybe true ,but these ships clearly need a buff, so buff them.
Indeed. Certain combat ships with only ONE mid slot? There has to be a better way.
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