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Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2008.10.29 18:20:00 - [301] Originally by: Taradis yea retri needs to be fixed 1 mid slot is epic fail I'm okay with the one mid slot, personally. Give me an extra high slot, an extra turret point, a bit of extra CPU/PG to fit it, and a bit of extra cap to shoot it, and I'll be quite happy. If it isn't going to have any EWar/Tackle capability, it should be able to melt things more quickly than the other ships.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.29 20:55:00 - [302] Originally by: Rhadamantine Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Taradis yea retri needs to be fixed 1 mid slot is epic fail This, cmon. 1 more mid ccp. Nah it's fine. You are dumb. See how I sunk down to your level of argumentation? ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise
Rhadamantine Game Community	Posted - 2008.10.29 21:50:00 - [303] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer You are dumb. See how I sunk down to your level of argumentation? It's still fine as is. Regards. Rhadamantine.
Tykkis	Posted - 2008.10.29 22:10:00 - [304] I'm conserned about the number of laser specialized ships in game all other weapon systems have 2 to 3 ships in the following shiptypes 1 Assault ship (Which happens to have 1 mid slot... no backup ship=no ship) 1 Command ship 1 Heavy Assault Ship (nerfbat **** Zealot and 1/2 laser pilots are gone) 1 Interceptor all other weapon systems have 1 ship in the following ship types, lasers none 0 Covert Ops 0 Combat recon 0 Force Recon 0 Interdictor tech 3 is coming and i'd like to see some more laser ships
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.31 06:16:00 - [305] Originally by: Rhadamantine It's still fine as is. How do you figure that? ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise
Orion GUardian Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.31 11:54:00 - [306] hmm Curse underpowere ebcause it cant fit tank...its your EW cruiser isn't it..say...whre can the Blackbird fit tank btw?. Need med slots for EWand erm 2 low slots are needed for SDAs to be usefule [and be honest you tank tank armor on a caldari ship with 2 Lows!] so Why should the Amarr EW-ship get a tank but the Caldari for one not? Btw shouting "nerf falcon" in every thread is just an embarassment to yourself. Btw didn't amarr get some boost fixes a few months ago? Isn't Amarr FOTM already?...I can understand Minmatarr Whiners but not Amarr....Dammit everybody ahs to work with what he has...
Orion GUardian Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.31 12:06:00 - [307] Edited by: Orion GUardian on 31/10/2008 12:08:27 -.- quote instead of edit -.-
Eldereye	Posted - 2008.10.31 12:10:00 - [308] I've always seen the retribution as a long distance belt ratter. It's great for seeking out faction spawn in unfriendly places, and expendable enough if you run into problems. Not all ships should be looked at from a strictly pvp viewpoint.
Sombike Caldari Enterprise Estonia FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.10.31 12:50:00 - [309] What can u do with 1 midslot ships anyway? Fit a belt scanner?
sdthujfg	Posted - 2008.10.31 16:53:00 - [310] Originally by: Eldereye I've always seen the retribution as a long distance belt ratter. It's great for seeking out faction spawn in unfriendly places, and expendable enough if you run into problems. Not all ships should be looked at from a strictly pvp viewpoint. Why wouldnt you just use a gallente AF instead? More dps and more mids.
phanthom chancer	Posted - 2008.10.31 21:51:00 - [311] Edited by: phanthom chancer on 31/10/2008 21:51:36 Originally by: Kano Sekor Edited by: Kano Sekor on 15/08/2008 09:18:46 but wait if i use autocannons i have gained a 100% cap usage bonus :D i.e. no cap usage, and they fit better too. switch cap bonus on maller to damage bonus, and add some more cap to it instead, dito on proph. heavy pulse have vastly superior range and tracking (for their range) and do 11.5% more damage than 720s. heavy beams have 50% better tracking and 30% better damage than 720s. Heck, focused medium beams with xray (20/7.5 range) aren't even 2% shy of 720 w/ EMP (15/22) dmg and have ~2x the tracking and use 110 less PG. This argument is older than heck and it's still dumb.
Angelic Eviaran	Posted - 2008.11.14 03:27:00 - [312] I hope they are putting in the coercer and retribution mids soon. CCP said they would maybe look at it.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.14 03:40:00 - [313] Originally by: phanthom chancer Originally by: Lyria Skydancer after new patch every race will have 2 awsome solo AFs while amarr will only have one. 1 mid is stupid and no, the dps isn't nearly enough to justifi 1 mid slot on the retri. Brutix does not suck at all compared to other tier 1s Ehh, the Enyo will not be an "awesome" solo AF. "Good" for sure, but without a web it would take something big to bring it up to "awesome". IMO, the enyo needs to either have another mid, or get a pg/cpu boost that can make up for the lack of a web in other areas and the reti needs to drop it's 5th high for a mid. And ALL AFs need to get their 4th true bonus. Does CCP really think AFs risk being OP if they get the same number of bonuses as their upper class counterparts? I agree on the Brutix, it certainly doesn't fall in the "suck" category. He's trying to say, "Brutix now sucks as badly as all the other Tier 1 BCs, bar Prophecy which not only sucks but is not different then its Tier 2 BC on top.", just didn't word it correctly ;) Anyway, all the 2 midslot AFs are somewhat meh compared to their 3-midslot counterparts, particularly Enyo which is in so many ways lacking over a Ishkur and does not have the fitting space to be good anyway. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Raniss	Posted - 2008.11.14 04:44:00 - [314] They should insta-ban people who are whining about amarr ships right now, tbqfh. Fake edit: Nerf falcons.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.11.14 23:30:00 - [315] Originally by: Cpt Branko Anyway, all the 2 midslot AFs are somewhat meh compared to their 3-midslot counterparts, particularly Enyo which is in so many ways lacking over a Ishkur and does not have the fitting space to be good anyway. I'm not sure about this. I mean a 2 mid retri would be ALOT better then a vengeance anyways.
sdthujfg	Posted - 2008.11.15 22:55:00 - [316] Originally by: Raniss Fake edit: Nerf falcons. Yeah, falcons are more op then ever now.
Icarus Flame Amarr	Posted - 2008.11.16 02:16:00 - [317] Of course Amarr is FOTM. This thread is misnamed - it's not the amarr problem it's just a problem with several smallish ships in the golden fleet. Cruisers- Amarr REALLY needs a decent cruiser-sized laser paltform. The omen is too flimsy and cap unstable to be anywhere decent in pvp. It ought to be the laser-spewing equivalent of the thorax, able to fit an MWD and 800mm plate along with a couple damage mods. That would be badass. Maybe change the drone bay to 25m3 as well. The Maller is really screwed up. I really liked the idea of it being a missile boat very much. Each of the other races' two combat cruisers epitomize one of the race's two main weapon systems (the stabber is speedy? ). Amarr needs this as well. When the laser/missile race's best pvp cruiser (by far) is a drone boat, something has gone wrong. Assault Frigate: Omg I am so sad that when I train up for assault frigates I will have to train up t2 rockets as well, just to get my yarr on. to fix the retribution, change its utility highslot to another mid. Otherwise the ship is completely broken, no ifs ands or buts.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.11.17 03:52:00 - [318] Originally by: Icarus Flame Of course Amarr is FOTM. This thread is misnamed - it's not the amarr problem it's just a problem with several smallish ships in the golden fleet. Cruisers- Amarr REALLY needs a decent cruiser-sized laser paltform. The omen is too flimsy and cap unstable to be anywhere decent in pvp. It ought to be the laser-spewing equivalent of the thorax, able to fit an MWD and 800mm plate along with a couple damage mods. That would be badass. Maybe change the drone bay to 25m3 as well. The Maller is really screwed up. I really liked the idea of it being a missile boat very much. Each of the other races' two combat cruisers epitomize one of the race's two main weapon systems (the stabber is speedy? ). Amarr needs this as well. When the laser/missile race's best pvp cruiser (by far) is a drone boat, something has gone wrong. Assault Frigate: Omg I am so sad that when I train up for assault frigates I will have to train up t2 rockets as well, just to get my yarr on. to fix the retribution, change its utility highslot to another mid. Otherwise the ship is completely broken, no ifs ands or buts. Good post. Amarr cruisers except arbi kinda suck.
Murina The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.17 08:17:00 - [319] Originally by: Icarus Flame Of course Amarr is FOTM. This thread is misnamed - it's not the amarr problem it's just a problem with several smallish ships in the golden fleet. Cruisers- Amarr REALLY needs a decent cruiser-sized laser paltform. The omen is too flimsy and cap unstable to be anywhere decent in pvp. It ought to be the laser-spewing equivalent of the thorax, able to fit an MWD and 800mm plate along with a couple damage mods. That would be badass. Maybe change the drone bay to 25m3 as well. The Maller is really screwed up. I really liked the idea of it being a missile boat very much. Each of the other races' two combat cruisers epitomize one of the race's two main weapon systems (the stabber is speedy? ). Amarr needs this as well. When the laser/missile race's best pvp cruiser (by far) is a drone boat, something has gone wrong. Assault Frigate: Omg I am so sad that when I train up for assault frigates I will have to train up t2 rockets as well, just to get my yarr on. to fix the retribution, change its utility highslot to another mid. Otherwise the ship is completely broken, no ifs ands or buts. Well gosh amaar have a couple of ships lacking uberness................. POST NERF PVP SKILLS: "shall we engage?" "hmmm how many ships do they have?" "more than us" "lets not bother then" "WOW great job FC!!!!" ".................
Amira Shadowsong Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.03 15:34:00 - [320] Originally by: Murina Well gosh amaar have a couple of ships lacking uberness................. So your point is not to fix ships that are broken because other ships in the same area of skills are good?
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.01.03 15:36:00 - [321] Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Originally by: Murina Well gosh amaar have a couple of ships lacking uberness................. So your point is not to fix ships that are broken because other ships in the same area of skills are good? I did not say that emo boy.
Amira Shadowsong Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.03 15:39:00 - [322] Originally by: Murina I did not say that emo boy. I think that is what you implied. And you should be nicer to people.
SirDanceAlot	Posted - 2009.01.03 18:04:00 - [323] I do wonder when they are fixing the 1 mid coercer and retri. It's a pretty daft construction.
Amira Shadowsong Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.06 21:53:00 - [324] Originally by: SirDanceAlot I do wonder when they are fixing the 1 mid coercer and retri. It's a pretty daft construction. Who knows. 2 years?
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.01.06 23:06:00 - [325] The Maller really isn't THAT bad, it's fairly good at what it does. Omen is poor and both the AFs are poor ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Lucia Shak'ra	Posted - 2009.01.07 00:12:00 - [326] A bad pilot blames his ships. Amarr are fine as they are.
Amira Shadowsong Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.07 15:43:00 - [327] Originally by: Lucia Shak'ra A bad pilot blames his ships. Amarr are fine as they are. Do YOU fly these ships? It is easy to yap behind castle walls.
SirDanceAlot	Posted - 2009.01.08 22:30:00 - [328] Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Originally by: Lucia Shak'ra A bad pilot blames his ships. Amarr are fine as they are. Do YOU fly these ships? It is easy to yap behind castle walls. This.
Nexus Kinnon Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.01.08 23:25:00 - [329] hello sir, I'd like to hire you to whine for the minmatar. With high quality ****posting like this, large projectiles will be fixed by Apocrypha!
DarkonRhoe Ergo Abstergo	Posted - 2009.01.08 23:34:00 - [330] Edited by: DarkonRhoe on 08/01/2009 23:35:04 damn Amarr is fine save for the AF vangeance is good for lol fits where your bored and retri sadly only works in pvp. but be honnest other races have a **** load more trouble :D Also if you want a pvp amarr cruiser the arbitrator is a mean machine :D Edit: I am fully amarr specced only went for minnie AF :D (hate the iskhurs spike to much) Calmarri FTW

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