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thisisnotanalt	Posted - 2008.08.16 02:34:00 - [1] Edited by: thisisnotanalt on 16/08/2008 02:34:34 Most of you arn't interested in the crime. But for those of you who are and are willing to act upon the information I lay out in front of you, here is the story: A few days ago, my brother was almost put off of EVE completely. He was doing a lvl 4 mission in a nice lvl 4 raven that he had just purchased not too long ago. Davlin Lot'ze and his alt scanned him down and promptly began looting his wrecks during a hot misson, my brother fired upon him (yes, you will say this was a dumb thing to do), Davlin escaped and came back in a warp scrambling torpedo raven, fitted specifically against kinetic and thermal damage (see, he only chooses Gurista missoners), demanded 100M ransom, was told to forget it, reduced to 40M, 4M was paid (a zero was missed) and without a beat Davlin began firing on him. Based on the events and behavior of this lowlife, Davlin was not going to honor ransom. EVE is a dynamic game that allows a myriad of different styles of game play, to simplify it: there are two styes, those who want pve hang around high sec space and those who want the pvp interaction to head to low sec or null sec. It is a shame that this is allowed to happen to someone just trying to enjoy the pve aspect. Below is intelligence I have gathered on this lowlife. Davlin Lot'ze Inhibitor Corporation (what a rip out of Alastair Reynold's novel, no originality here) No alliance affiliation http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Davlin+Lot%27ze Known to frequent lvl 4 mission hubs, last seen in Umokka, is logged in around this time period 07:00 to 22:00 EVE time. Known Alts: Lester Nyxian Also of Inhibitor Corporation http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-Lester+Nyxian-kills.html Last known docked is Umokka X, M4, Caldari Navy Testing Facility, also logged in same time as main. Ethan Fletcher Also of Inhibitor Corporation and Federal Defense Union (FW Milita) http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-Ethan+Fletcher-kills.html#show Has also seen in the Umokka system, also logged in as same time as main. Inhibitor corporation is a 3 man corpration composed of Davlin and his alts only. Corp headquarters is based in Duripant VII, Moon 6, Federal Navy Academy School. I have included links to battleclinic killboards so that you may peruse his ship fittings and strategy. If you feel moved by this or simply want assasination practice, or just want pvp experience, pod Davlin Lot'ze and his alts. Repeatedly, and when you are done. Pod him again. Of course, a frozen corpse or two would be welcome. Just contract it to me so I can hang it for all to see. Regardless if he gets podded or not. At least his name is plastered out there for everyone.
Kyle Klanen	Posted - 2008.08.16 02:42:00 - [2] If you don't like pvp don't play a pvp game.
Tai Paktu Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.08.16 02:44:00 - [3] Man OP, this post is going to end all kinds of well for you...
Htrag The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2008.08.16 02:56:00 - [4] haha classic.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.16 03:16:00 - [5] Originally by: thisisnotanalt Regardless if he gets podded or not. At least his name is plastered out there for everyone. quite the opposite, making a whine thread about someone is like a badge of honour for them, I wish people would make whine threads about me tbh.
thisisnotanalt	Posted - 2008.08.16 03:30:00 - [6] Edited by: thisisnotanalt on 16/08/2008 03:31:09 Edited by: thisisnotanalt on 16/08/2008 03:30:27 Reply #1: Troll. Reply #2: Flame. Okay, move along. Next time read the post. Reply #3: Two word response... not much to say to that. Reply #4: Guess you're not special.
Terra Mikael NightCrew	Posted - 2008.08.16 03:32:00 - [7] long post, let me sum it up for the people just getting here: missioner aggresses ninja looter and then gets owned by ninja looter returning the favor. Butt hurt brother looks to C & P for pity. Fails. Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto All piracy is built upon honoring one's word.
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2008.08.16 03:35:00 - [8] Hope this helps. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Xindi Kraid Kraid Salvaging	Posted - 2008.08.16 03:51:00 - [9] Heres a tip: Don't try to PvP in a PvE ship. If you must kill the looters then come back when you are fitted to fight Otherwise don't come crying to us. I you don't want people ninjaing your loot then bring a frien to salvage as you go (or hire somone) or do the collection yourself as you mission. -So says Xindi Kraid Caveat Emptor Caveat Venditor CAVEAT
Eternal Error Exitus Acta Probant	Posted - 2008.08.16 03:54:00 - [10] 1. People do not simply "miss" a zero when their ship is on the line and being pounded through structure. 2. No one is going to do anything about this if you won't (unless you hire them). 3. Owned.
oilio Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.08.16 03:55:00 - [11] No-one will avenge your brother. Your brother was protected by CONCORD. Your brother decided to engage in combat. Your brother lost. If you decide to fight, there's always the chance that you will lose your ship. If he wasn't prepared to lose his ship, he shouldn't have started fighting. If he quits EVE over this incident, then he probably isn't suited to the game. Hopefully, he has learned something from this encounter, and that experience will be useful to him if he continues to play.
Kavu Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.08.16 04:02:00 - [12] Edited by: Kavu on 16/08/2008 04:02:49 so basically Originally by: thisisnotanalt blah blah blah some guy stoled my stuf so i shotted hims and he pwnt me blah blah blah /cry please kill him the end way to go, your brother should stop crying, HE AGGRESSED HIS KILLER, all he had to do is ignore him and he would have he lost a bit of salvage and lewt.
thisisnotanalt	Posted - 2008.08.16 04:17:00 - [13] Broad assumptions being made here. Re: Protected by CONCORD... the criminal flagging system is broken. It is essentially the Wild West. CONCORD only reacts against unprovoked aggression, not pre-meditated aggression. Case in point: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=846397 A bigger part of this story is change is needed for stealing penalties (not salvaging), esp in high security space. It is high security space afterall... Re: Avenging.. who said anything about unpaid work. I don't see it in my OP, it isn't mentioned. This is just one approach I have taken. I am pursuing other avenues of "avenging." I leave it at that as I'd like you lowlife mission gankers to keep your false sense of security. BTW please read what I posted. Lots of you trollers and flammers are stating the obvious. You can read... right?
Apoctasy The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.08.16 04:20:00 - [14] Originally by: Tai Paktu Man OP, this post is going to end all kinds of well for you... I look forward to warming by the nice flame. ----
oilio Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.08.16 04:32:00 - [15] Originally by: thisisnotanalt Broad assumptions being made here. Re: Protected by CONCORD... the criminal flagging system is broken. It is essentially the Wild West. CONCORD only reacts against unprovoked aggression, not pre-meditated aggression. Case in point: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=846397 Your brother WAS protected by CONCORD. He lost that protection when he started shooting. Regarding the link you posted - note the countermeasures that were explained to prevent this tactic from working. If the OP of that thread had been aware of the mechanics, he would have been able to escape(not that you can expect everyone to be aware of those countermeasures, of course)... also the OP of that thread grabbed a ship and returned to start fighting - that's what got his ship killed. He (like your brother) could have decided not to shoot, and wouldn't have lost a ship. If you decide to attack a thief, then you must accept that the fight may not go your way.
Sirius Problem Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.16 05:20:00 - [16] Posting in upcoming classic thread. All game mechanics working as intended. Not only does Mission Runner initiate hostilities by firing upon peaceful "Mission Cleaner", Mission Runner tries to scam Mission Cleaner after a mutually agreeable ransom had been negotiated. Mission Runner would have happily vaporized Mission Cleaner's ship, but now cries to bro after being destroyed as a consequence of his attempt to scam the peaceful "cleaner". Give your bro a hug from all of us. ---- Train more. Whine less.
BruisedMoon	Posted - 2008.08.16 05:57:00 - [17] wait wait wait Does anyone else wonder if this guy "really" has a "brother"?
thisisnotanalt	Posted - 2008.08.16 06:15:00 - [18] Mitnal, please lock. Thank you.
techzer0 Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.08.16 06:29:00 - [19] Originally by: thisisnotanalt EVE is a dynamic game that allows a myriad of different styles of game play, to simplify it: there are two styes, those who want pve hang around high sec space and those who want the pvp interaction to head to low sec or null sec. It is a shame that this is allowed to happen to someone just trying to enjoy the pve aspect. What ze hell... No, you're wrong. ------------ CCP > Let's play the nerf a race game! Next up minmatar!
Kavu Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.08.16 06:32:00 - [20] Originally by: thisisnotanalt Mitnal, please lock. Thank you. NO U! garmon says NO PRAISE GARMON!
Nitrocloud	Posted - 2008.08.16 07:11:00 - [21] The only thing I see wrong with this situation is that the attacked looter maintained his aggression timer after changing from a bait/scanning ship to bookmark a site where he could come back immediately in a PvP-ready warp-scrambling battleship. If I'm wrong about this, please correct me. It would seem that removing aggression timers when changing ships being in either a station or dead space would eliminate this "hidden" aspect of bait-switch tactics. It should be apparent that the ISK that can be made using these tactics would far outweigh the total possible earnings of missions through dropped items in the victims ship as well as the remaining loot of the mission site. Seems much in-line morally as can flipping, although as of now its legality can not be challenged.
thisisnotanalt	Posted - 2008.08.16 07:18:00 - [22] The only sane response to my OP. Even if you disagree with me it was way more masterful english grammar than those guys could pull off. Props to you Nitro.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.16 07:27:00 - [23] Originally by: thisisnotanalt The only sane response to my OP. Even if you disagree with me it was way more masterful english grammar than those guys could pull off. Props to you Nitro. guys I got killed but at least my superior grammar and e-honour remains intact you'll never take that away from me HONORhonourGRAMMAR
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2008.08.16 07:36:00 - [24] I have a sad sad story to tell. I once had an alt which I used for "cough" mining, he was a peacefull little miner and enjoyed the player vs veld aspect of eve in hisec. Then one day I came along and stole my alt's ore off him. He then went to take it back which was a silly mistake but being an all peace loving little noob my alt was he didnt know what he was getting himself in for. He died and I smacked my alt in local like a proper mean bastard. If this has touched any of you "not in a special place kinda way", then please please pod me over and over again and teach me a great frikkin lesson.
Kwedaras Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.08.16 08:38:00 - [25] Originally by: thisisnotanalt 40M, 4M was paid Originally by: thisisnotanalt Davlin was not going to honor ransom.
techzer0 Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.08.16 09:10:00 - [26] Originally by: thisisnotanalt The only sane response to my OP. Even if you disagree with me it was way more masterful english grammar than those guys could pull off. Props to you Nitro. Can I laugh at you for being naive? If you shoot a small ship and it runs away, HE IS PROBABLY GETTING SOMETHING BIGGER! Does it take that much brain-power to figure that out and warp to a semi-safe area (Say, in docking range of a station) or bring in your own support? I didn't think there were that many people that would shoot and stick around long enough to let me go switch into a BS to fight them with... Now I know and will be doing it regularly. ------------ CCP > Let's play the nerf a race game! Next up minmatar!
Elias West Mentally Disordered Criminals	Posted - 2008.08.16 09:35:00 - [27] Originally by: Kirra Liu I have a sad sad story to tell. I once had an alt which I used for "cough" mining, he was a peacefull little miner and enjoyed the player vs veld aspect of eve in hisec. Then one day I came along and stole my alt's ore off him. He then went to take it back which was a silly mistake but being an all peace loving little noob my alt was he didnt know what he was getting himself in for. He died and I smacked my alt in local like a proper mean bastard. If this has touched any of you "not in a special place kinda way", then please please pod me over and over again and teach me a great frikkin lesson. This made me LOL. ty
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.08.16 09:40:00 - [28] Originally by: thisisnotanalt Edited by: thisisnotanalt on 16/08/2008 03:31:09 Edited by: thisisnotanalt on 16/08/2008 03:30:27 Reply #1: Troll. Reply #2: Flame. Okay, move along. Next time read the post. Reply #3: Two word response... not much to say to that. Reply #4: Guess you're not special. you are right the op is a troll anyways you won't find much sympathy here, the he shot and then the stupid bit in parenthesis kinda voids any sympathy
Kano Sekor Amarr The Movement	Posted - 2008.08.16 09:40:00 - [29] Quote: A few days ago, my brother was almost put off of EVE completely. If he wants to do missions without other players coming and disturbing him and dont want to have any interaction with other players there are a multitude of single player games out there for him with alot of missions. Ive heard Mass Effect is good. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
FoulBeast Gallente 101st Space Marine Force	Posted - 2008.08.16 10:42:00 - [30] Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: thisisnotanalt Regardless if he gets podded or not. At least his name is plastered out there for everyone. quite the opposite, making a whine thread about someone is like a badge of honour for them, I wish people would make whine threads about me tbh. I'll make a whine thread about you man don't worry
Promethian child Amarr VITOC	Posted - 2008.08.16 12:38:00 - [31] Your stuff can i have it ?
zooizied	Posted - 2008.08.16 13:47:00 - [32] Obviously the guy wasnt too bright and should have either not shooted or not stuck around, but reading some of the childish responses here makes me want to puke. Of course piracy is part of the game, and vital to the challenge of the game and the game's economy, but being a pirate is one thing, and gloating over a players mistake and subsequent loss outside the game is another. Play the game hard, but no need to be a jerk outside it.
Grarr Dexx Amarr Avenging United	Posted - 2008.08.16 13:52:00 - [33] Quote: yes, you will say this was a dumb thing to do What a dumb thing to do.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.08.16 14:02:00 - [34] Originally by: zooizied Obviously the guy wasnt too bright and should have either not shooted or not stuck around, but reading some of the childish responses here makes me want to puke. Of course piracy is part of the game, and vital to the challenge of the game and the game's economy, but being a pirate is one thing, and gloating over a players mistake and subsequent loss outside the game is another. Play the game hard, but no need to be a jerk outside it. That's not why people are gloating and being jerks. They are being jerks because the OP went all out and labelled an entire group in Eve (incidentally, the very same group who reads these forums) as "low lifes". He then contradicted himself, and accused the loot thief of not honoring a ransom when it is clear from his own text that it was his brother that didn't honor a ransom. Then he whined and let it be known that he wants Eve to be a single player game where "ebil pvpers" can't get to him. All of these reasons are extremely valid for being a jerk to the OP.
Sirius Problem Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.16 15:32:00 - [35] Originally by: Nitrocloud It would seem that removing aggression timers when changing ships being in either a station or dead space would eliminate this "hidden" aspect of bait-switch tactics. It would also eliminate the ability of a miner to switch from his barge to a combat ship when wishing to do combat with an ore thief. The bears continue to fail with all their clever "solutions" for risk mitigation. ---- Train more. Whine less.
Eschiava Q	Posted - 2008.08.16 16:11:00 - [36] I was going to post something meaningful though not terribly complimentary to the OP, but I find this thread has given me a case of the giggles, so I'll just leave it at that.
Kze Nori	Posted - 2008.08.16 16:21:00 - [37] This is what you get for not honoring ransoms and trying to scam people by paying up a sum that is one zero less. If you're going to try to scam somebody with missing zeros, do it in Jita - don't do it to someone who's got you warp scrambled and in hull.
Lucy'Lastic	Posted - 2008.08.16 16:57:00 - [38] Originally by: thisisnotanalt Below is intelligence I have gathered I read below. I read above. I can't find any intelligence in your post.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.08.16 17:31:00 - [39] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 16/08/2008 17:31:46 Thread delivers lulz whether the OP is trolling or not.
thisisnotanalt	Posted - 2008.08.16 17:44:00 - [40] Does anybody read? No guess not. I still see comments made that don't grasp what was said. Fail Reading Comprehension 101. Go back to school. Also, you honestly expect me to believe that you were not carebear (another word for casual gamer) at one point in your illustrious EVE career. You were all carebear, or still are if a) you spawned in a noob system, b) ran a mission for isk, or c) did not go into low sec for a while due to there being 3 year old toons or gate camps waiting to shiv you. So as long as you continue to label a vast majority "carebears," you who do this kind of thing will continue to get the same label as "lowlife mission ganker." There was another intelligent response: this person did not agree with me. Props to zooizied. Play hard.. good suggestion perhaps I will.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.08.16 17:48:00 - [41] Originally by: thisisnotanalt Does anybody read? No guess not. I still see comments made that don't grasp what was said. Fail Reading Comprehension 101. Go back to school. Also, you honestly expect me to believe that you were not carebear (another word for casual gamer) at one point in your illustrious EVE career. You were all carebear, or still are if a) you spawned in a noob system, b) ran a mission for isk, or c) did not go into low sec for a while due to there being 3 year old toons or gate camps waiting to shiv you. So as long as you continue to label a vast majority "carebears," you who do this kind of thing will continue to get the same label as "lowlife mission ganker." There was another intelligent response: this person did not agree with me. Props to zooizied. Play hard.. good suggestion perhaps I will. So, explain again what you said. Explain why we are interpreting it wrongly. Also, being a carebear has nothing to do with what you do. It has everything to do with how you act and percieve things. For instance, even if you where a PvP specced character you would still be a carebear, because you think and act like one. Pretty funny, tho, how the responses you deem 'intelligent' either agrees with you or tries (and fails) to flame the other people in the thread.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.16 17:52:00 - [42] This troll is win 7/10 Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Monkey Saturday Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2008.08.16 18:15:00 - [43] Originally by: thisisnotanalt A few days ago, my brother was almost put off of EVE completely. Yes...your poor...brother. Sorry you-I mean HE! Sorry he lost your ship... His ship, sorry. Thanks for the Maulus BPO nerf! :D
Terranid Meester Tactical Assault and Recon Unit	Posted - 2008.08.16 18:38:00 - [44] Killing mission running ravens in Caldari space...whats the problem? The only pity was that it wasn't a navy raven that was nuked.
Tai Paktu Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.08.16 18:51:00 - [45] Edited by: Tai Paktu on 16/08/2008 18:51:31 Originally by: thisisnotanalt Also, you honestly expect me to believe that you were not carebear (another word for casual gamer) at one point in your illustrious EVE career. You were all carebear, or still are if a) you spawned in a noob system, b) ran a mission for isk, or c) did not go into low sec for a while due to there being 3 year old toons or gate camps waiting to shiv you. So as long as you continue to label a vast majority "carebears," you who do this kind of thing will continue to get the same label as "lowlife mission ganker." Let me explain to you what I classify as a carebear. It's someone who will, at any cost, avoid any situation where there is the slightest risk of engaging in PvP (or so they think). A lot of carebears also have a very low opinion of people who engage in empire PvP and piracy, labelling them "griefers." At no point in my first few months of running missions or flying my Hulk () did I ever believe that pirates or anyone else was a scourge on the EvE landscape. I always appreciated piracy and all forms of PvP, from the humble can flipper to the solo pirate. EvE is what it is because you always have to be aware and intelligent about your choices and situatuion. I also didn't make emo alt forum posts when my "brother" (because we all know you don't have a brother and it was you who died) did something stupid and died for it.
Eschiava Q	Posted - 2008.08.16 19:09:00 - [46] Edited by: Eschiava Q on 16/08/2008 19:11:30 Originally by: thisisnotanalt Does anybody read? No guess not. I still see comments made that don't grasp what was said. Fail Reading Comprehension 101. Go back to school. Seriously, this has got to be a troll. I refuse to believe that anyone could be so oblivious to the nature of EVE. So, Mr. Troll, we can read just fine thank you very much. Your continued posting on this thread only adds to the evidnece that you are trolling, so, why not just go away? But if, on the off chance you are not a troll, EVE is obviously not well suited to your, or your brother's, taste and temperment. Perhaps Hello Kitty Online would be a better choice? In case you're still not getting it, EVE is a PvP game. If you play you need to be prepared to PvP any time you undock. If your brother was not ready to PvP, he had it 100% in his power to avoid it, so, I really don't see what the problem is.
Nitrocloud	Posted - 2008.08.16 20:06:00 - [47] I have not yet seen a miner retrieve a war ship to engage in PvP in my short time in EVE. However if they wish to do so, would they not be able to attack the can flipper by stealing back from them? If a player were to steal ore in an industrial or other large ship, there would be little that one could do to retrieve the stolen ore except to instantly engage the enemy, scrambling them and waiting for backup or whatnot. Suggestions are welcome on what would be the most effective means to a solution to this problem.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.08.16 20:24:00 - [48] Originally by: Nitrocloud I have not yet seen a miner retrieve a war ship to engage in PvP in my short time in EVE. However if they wish to do so, would they not be able to attack the can flipper by stealing back from them? If a player were to steal ore in an industrial or other large ship, there would be little that one could do to retrieve the stolen ore except to instantly engage the enemy, scrambling them and waiting for backup or whatnot. Right now, when you fire on someone they get a 15 minute timer on you, meaning they can do whatever they want and still attack you within 15 minutes, including changing ships. The miner has a 15 minute timer on the thief from the moment he fired, so both have a chance of changing ships if they want. It's perfectly fair as is. Originally by: Nitrocloud Suggestions are welcome on what would be the most effective means to a solution to this problem. There is no problem. It's a fair system.
Tai Paktu Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.08.16 20:48:00 - [49] Originally by: Nitrocloud I have not yet seen a miner retrieve a war ship to engage in PvP in my short time in EVE. However if they wish to do so, would they not be able to attack the can flipper by stealing back from them? If a player were to steal ore in an industrial or other large ship, there would be little that one could do to retrieve the stolen ore except to instantly engage the enemy, scrambling them and waiting for backup or whatnot. Suggestions are welcome on what would be the most effective means to a solution to this problem. Maybe you haven't been watching. Cus I've seen tonnes. In fact, I've had people come back in something bigger after having stolen from them. Many, many times.
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.08.16 20:53:00 - [50] Originally by: Nitrocloud I have not yet seen a miner retrieve a war ship to engage in PvP in my short time in EVE. However if they wish to do so, would they not be able to attack the can flipper by stealing back from them? If a player were to steal ore in an industrial or other large ship, there would be little that one could do to retrieve the stolen ore except to instantly engage the enemy, scrambling them and waiting for backup or whatnot. Suggestions are welcome on what would be the most effective means to a solution to this problem. I can flipped a Hulk with a bunch of medium drones once, I was in a Rifter. He warped out... as I was blowing up the can, he returned in a Brutix and began trying to lock me. It happens. Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
Karentaki Gallente Fighting While Intoxicated	Posted - 2008.08.16 22:10:00 - [51] Right so let me get this straight... Your brother is running a high-end mission, in a high-end ship, and a poor newbie comes in, probably lost, looking for a way to make some isk. He sees all this nice loot just floating in space, and not understanding aggro mechanics takes it. Your brother then proceeds to attack this innocent newbie out of pure intolerance and elitism, and seriously damages his ship. Angry at being attacked without provocation, this newbie comes back in the biggest ship he has, and returns fire. Your brother, despite his elitist attitude and superior knowledge, gets almost destroyed. However, since this newbie is feeling generous he offers your brother a chance to escape if he gives the newbie some money towards the repairs for his ship. Despite this kindness though, your brother heartlessly tries to scam and lie his way out, and ends up losing his ship because of it. Now you're coming here accusing this innocent newbie of being a criminal and a liar, and defending your 'griefer' brother! I find your attitude disgusting, and to be honest, I think it would be good if your brother quit. This newbie has probably already quit because of what your brother did to him! ============= RE: The suicide nerf Originally by: agent apple I believe I can safely speak for many of us when I say, Dear Devs, Go Back to WOW
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Holy Church Of Garmonism	Posted - 2008.08.16 22:37:00 - [52] Originally by: Karentaki Right so let me get this straight... Your brother is running a high-end mission, in a high-end ship, and a poor newbie comes in, probably lost, looking for a way to make some isk. He sees all this nice loot just floating in space, and not understanding aggro mechanics takes it. Your brother then proceeds to attack this innocent newbie out of pure intolerance and elitism, and seriously damages his ship. Angry at being attacked without provocation, this newbie comes back in the biggest ship he has, and returns fire. Your brother, despite his elitist attitude and superior knowledge, gets almost destroyed. However, since this newbie is feeling generous he offers your brother a chance to escape if he gives the newbie some money towards the repairs for his ship. Despite this kindness though, your brother heartlessly tries to scam and lie his way out, and ends up losing his ship because of it. Now you're coming here accusing this innocent newbie of being a criminal and a liar, and defending your 'griefer' brother! I find your attitude disgusting, and to be honest, I think it would be good if your brother quit. This newbie has probably already quit because of what your brother did to him! Garmon supports poor noobs that defend themselves! May your brother rot with Mitnal! We fear Garmon so much we had to nerf your sig! ~Applebabe (paraphrased by Surfin)
Antarr Slagh Trans Eve Organization	Posted - 2008.08.16 23:22:00 - [53] Edited by: Antarr Slagh on 16/08/2008 23:22:25 Originally by: Karentaki Right so let me get this straight... Your brother is running a high-end mission, in a high-end ship, and a poor newbie comes in, probably lost, looking for a way to make some isk. He sees all this nice loot just floating in space, and not understanding aggro mechanics takes it. Your brother then proceeds to attack this innocent newbie out of pure intolerance and elitism, and seriously damages his ship. Angry at being attacked without provocation, this newbie comes back in the biggest ship he has, and returns fire. Your brother, despite his elitist attitude and superior knowledge, gets almost destroyed. However, since this newbie is feeling generous he offers your brother a chance to escape if he gives the newbie some money towards the repairs for his ship. Despite this kindness though, your brother heartlessly tries to scam and lie his way out, and ends up losing his ship because of it. Now you're coming here accusing this innocent newbie of being a criminal and a liar, and defending your 'griefer' brother! I find your attitude disgusting, and to be honest, I think it would be good if your brother quit. This newbie has probably already quit because of what your brother did to him! That's right. Your brother showed no mercy, while this kind soul did. --------------------------------------------- Runner of the Fleet Lottos!
Cheesematarburger Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.17 00:04:00 - [54] Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: thisisnotanalt Regardless if he gets podded or not. At least his name is plastered out there for everyone. quite the opposite, making a whine thread about someone is like a badge of honour for them, I wish people would make whine threads about me tbh. Yeah, I want whine threads about me/my alts....
Morgon Borga	Posted - 2008.08.17 01:38:00 - [55] To the OP: Why exactly is this looter a "lowlife" in your estimation? Sounds to me like he was just trying to make some isk and got attacked by a mission runner who apparently doesn't understand the consequences of his actions. I've mined, run missions, and done PvP in Empire and Nullsec. I've never had a problem with pirates even after being killed by them because PvP in its various forms is what makes this game interesting and ultimately enduring. I've also killed noobicles like yourself because killing gives me joy I suspect this game is more than you can handle...
Kavu Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.08.17 03:41:00 - [56] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Originally by: Karentaki Right so let me get this straight... Your brother is running a high-end mission, in a high-end ship, and a poor newbie comes in, probably lost, looking for a way to make some isk. He sees all this nice loot just floating in space, and not understanding aggro mechanics takes it. Your brother then proceeds to attack this innocent newbie out of pure intolerance and elitism, and seriously damages his ship. Angry at being attacked without provocation, this newbie comes back in the biggest ship he has, and returns fire. Your brother, despite his elitist attitude and superior knowledge, gets almost destroyed. However, since this newbie is feeling generous he offers your brother a chance to escape if he gives the newbie some money towards the repairs for his ship. Despite this kindness though, your brother heartlessly tries to scam and lie his way out, and ends up losing his ship because of it. Now you're coming here accusing this innocent newbie of being a criminal and a liar, and defending your 'griefer' brother! I find your attitude disgusting, and to be honest, I think it would be good if your brother quit. This newbie has probably already quit because of what your brother did to him! Garmon supports poor noobs that defend themselves! May your brother rot with Mitnal! ALSO GARMON WILL PAY HOLY BLESSINGS FOR TEH EVIL ONES FROZEN BODY
Elurilmar	Posted - 2008.08.17 03:54:00 - [57] #1 reason why you should sacrifice a slot for a scram so you can keep them from coming back to own you, show them who's boss.
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.17 04:24:00 - [58] (a) Don't troll, it's not nice. (b) Don't shoot people unless you have a scrambler/disruptor fitted, or you are 100% sure you're flying a turret ship which can instapop the target (tip: you aren't. The ships with best alpha are at best instapopping a frigate.). Shooting them just enables them to switch to their favourite ship of choice, come back and melt you in the next 15 minutes. (c) Don't cheat on your ransomers by misplacing a 0. It's preety damn low. (d) Use your brain. You have to use it everywhere in EvE. Now, think. If I'm in a destroyer/cruiser/whatever and you're in a battleship, why should I allow you to shoot me? Could it be because I'm baiting you? Hm? Or I just like losing ships stupidly? Just thinking about the situations you find yourself in can get you a long way. Being in high-sec doesn't mean you don't have to use your brain. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Krecian Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.08.17 21:49:00 - [59] I'm sorry my friend, but if I've been in this game only 2 months and I know better than to shoot a salvager, then I have no sympathy for your brother. Consider the following: 1) Your brother was not losing his mission reward. And unlike a very few situations, he was left to shoot the mission ships and collect bounties. 2) If the mission is being salvaged, then he doesn't have to worry about doing it himself, he can make up for lost ISK per hour by immediatly rolling up a new mission the moment his is complete. This has the nice side benefit of increasing his LP per hour. 3) If he gets a reputation for NOT shooting salvagers, he may find himself being left alone by those who are in it purely to grief him. 4) There is always a different agent you can go to. Yes, I read the thread. I know you are looking for revenge which I applaud as this is the way the game SHOULD work. However, when you say things like "It is a shame that this is allowed to happen to someone just trying to enjoy the pve aspect." This ***es a lot of us off. This implies that you want the game changed and moved AWAY from the PvP aspect of the game. This, despite the fact that CCP themselves have stated repeatedly that you are safe NOWHERE. Bottom line, this is a multiplayer game where we are allowed to interact in hostile manner and do so without the consent of those of us around us. To say otherwise goes against what this game was supposed to be and angers those who joined it for that reason. I truly hope you get your revenge and wish you the best in that manner. As for your brother, I hope he learned his lesson and does what is best for him, even if that means finding another game. --------- "The first rock thrown again, welcome to hell little saint. Mother Gia in slaughter, welcome to paradise soldier." -Nightwish, Planet Hell*
Noelle Fay SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.08.17 22:54:00 - [60] Ask him whether I can have his stuff. Seriously, he aggresses = he deserves it. Had it coming there. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- The secret to success, whether it's women or money, is knowing when to quit. I oughta know: I'm divorced and broke.
Terra Mikael NightCrew	Posted - 2008.08.18 02:36:00 - [61] Originally by: thisisnotanalt Mitnal, please lock. Thank you. the fun has just begun.don't tap out on us! Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto All piracy is built upon honoring one's word.
Terra Mikael NightCrew	Posted - 2008.08.18 02:38:00 - [62] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette being a carebear has nothing to do with what you do. It has everything to do with how you act and percieve things. For instance, even if you where a PvP specced character you would still be a carebear, because you think and act like one. This. Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto All piracy is built upon honoring one's word.
the member Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2008.08.18 08:50:00 - [63] grammar tanking > honor tanking... Quote: "You're obviously from France." -- Intel CEO Paul Ottelini
Tractory	Posted - 2008.08.18 10:39:00 - [64] You should mission with your brother in a combat ship, and actively hunt Davlin down. Or have a look on the battleclinic killboards for people who have consistently killed Davlin and / or any of his alts, and offer them money to continue to do so
flakeys Omerta Squadron Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.18 11:12:00 - [65] Edited by: flakeys on 18/08/2008 11:13:26 You did exactly what he wanted.You took the bait and put a pricy ship at risk over the loss of a small amount of isk. This is the way the game works and allways has done.It is not the game that has to change but the people that need to start knowing the gameplay and stick to it if you want to be secure.The only thing in my book that i can understand when people moan about it is high sec suicideganks.That's the only thing i could agree upon if they take that out of the game.And as i understand they are going to implement harsh sec stat penalties for that. You're brother engaged -mistake 1 You're brother paid 4 mille instead of 40 mille - mistake 2 Just a reminder to others ... it is not the loot they r after , it is you and you're ship.And as long as people keep falling for it you will have this 'scum' like you call it.Just as trade scams.I can't believe people STILL fall for the navy raven sales that after purchase appears to be a regular raven.I really can't. I understand you're frustration and being angry and all , but this is how the game works simple as that.
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2008.08.18 13:35:00 - [66] Originally by: thisisnotanalt Mitnal, please lock. Thank you. lookit this easy cop out... OP realizes hes a stupid shit for the OP and now requests a locked post. Can you handle any form of harassment in this game? If not, you know where the door is...to WoW, go play it, we don't need your kind shitting up this game anymore. _____________________ Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
Blastil	Posted - 2008.08.18 15:06:00 - [67] I'd reply to the failure to pay up sufficently with a nice bit of ship kill.
TimMc Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.08.18 15:33:00 - [68] LOL
Hanso Sparxx We The People	Posted - 2008.08.18 17:54:00 - [69] I would recommend a nice, sharp cheddar with this whine. ------------------ We the People is recruiting!
Traidor Disloyal NightCrew	Posted - 2008.08.18 19:21:00 - [70] Originally by: thisisnotanalt A few days ago, my brother was almost put off of EVE completely. He was doing a lvl 4 mission in a nice lvl 4 raven that he had just purchased not too long ago. Davlin Lot'ze and his alt scanned him down and promptly began looting his wrecks during a hot misson, my brother fired upon him (yes, you will say this was a dumb thing to do), Davlin escaped and came back in a warp scrambling torpedo raven, fitted specifically against kinetic and thermal damage (see, he only chooses Gurista missoners), demanded 100M ransom, was told to forget it, reduced to 40M, 4M was paid (a zero was missed) and without a beat Davlin began firing on him. Welcome to Eve. I hope you enjoyed the welcome wagon.
Dotard Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.08.19 12:03:00 - [71] Originally by: techzer0 I didn't think there were that many people that would shoot and stick around long enough to let me go switch into a BS to fight them with... There are enough of them to allow you to do it regularly. You'd be surprised how many folks don't realize if the little zippy ship in your mission is looting the wrecks he wants you to take a shot at him so he can go back and get his lock you down and ransom/pop you ship. And a good possibility he has already passive targeted and scanned your set up.
Moya81	Posted - 2008.08.19 17:28:00 - [72] I smell something burning, quick someone poor carebear tears to estinguish these flames!!!
Leviathan9 Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.08.19 19:18:00 - [73] Originally by: thisisnotanalt Edited by: thisisnotanalt on 16/08/2008 02:34:34 Most of you arn't interested in the crime. But for those of you who are and are willing to act upon the information I lay out in front of you, here is the story: A few days ago, my brother was almost put off of EVE completely. He was doing a lvl 4 mission in a nice lvl 4 raven that he had just purchased not too long ago. Davlin Lot'ze and his alt scanned him down and promptly began looting his wrecks during a hot misson, my brother fired upon him (yes, you will say this was a dumb thing to do), Davlin escaped and came back in a warp scrambling torpedo raven, fitted specifically against kinetic and thermal damage (see, he only chooses Gurista missoners), demanded 100M ransom, was told to forget it, reduced to 40M, 4M was paid (a zero was missed) and without a beat Davlin began firing on him. Based on the events and behavior of this lowlife, Davlin was not going to honor ransom. EVE is a dynamic game that allows a myriad of different styles of game play, to simplify it: there are two styes, those who want pve hang around high sec space and those who want the pvp interaction to head to low sec or null sec. It is a shame that this is allowed to happen to someone just trying to enjoy the pve aspect. Below is intelligence I have gathered on this lowlife. Davlin Lot'ze Inhibitor Corporation (what a rip out of Alastair Reynold's novel, no originality here) No alliance affiliation http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Davlin+Lot%27ze Known to frequent lvl 4 mission hubs, last seen in Umokka, is logged in around this time period 07:00 to 22:00 EVE time. Known Alts: Lester Nyxian Also of Inhibitor Corporation http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-Lester+Nyxian-kills.html Last known docked is Umokka X, M4, Caldari Navy Testing Facility, also logged in same time as main. Ethan Fletcher Also of Inhibitor Corporation and Federal Defense Union (FW Milita) http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-Ethan+Fletcher-kills.html#show Has also seen in the Umokka system, also logged in as same time as main. Inhibitor corporation is a 3 man corpration composed of Davlin and his alts only. Corp headquarters is based in Duripant VII, Moon 6, Federal Navy Academy School. I have included links to battleclinic killboards so that you may peruse his ship fittings and strategy. If you feel moved by this or simply want assasination practice, or just want pvp experience, pod Davlin Lot'ze and his alts. Repeatedly, and when you are done. Pod him again. Of course, a frozen corpse or two would be welcome. Just contract it to me so I can hang it for all to see. Regardless if he gets podded or not. At least his name is plastered out there for everyone. Ship worth > loot worth. Stick to that and you'll never get ganked in high-sec in a mish.
Ambien Torca	Posted - 2008.08.19 19:23:00 - [74] If someone comes to your mission and starts salvaging it just finish your mission up normally and start a new one, you¦re not really losing much if anything in the end.

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