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Ratha Renoir	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:45:00 - [1] Edited by: Ratha Renoir on 27/08/2008 16:46:57 Interesting. http://www.lesbianation.com/article.cfm?section=2&id=20099 I find EVE to be a pretty accepting place myself.
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:45:00 - [2] Is it work-safe? "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died."
Ratha Renoir	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:46:00 - [3] If the word "lesbian" isn't offensive in your workplace, it's work-safe. No nudie pics or whatever.
TheEndofTheWorld Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:47:00 - [4] http://eveinfo.com/npcship/13589/eve-online-kaikka-peunato.html CALDARI STATE DISCRIMINATES nerf all lvl4 agents in highsec
Jekaterine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:48:00 - [5] Edited by: Jekaterine on 27/08/2008 16:48:34 Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Is it work-safe? Feh it got fixed. Was broken.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:48:00 - [6] This article is incredibly stupid, none of this is unique to Eve, or MMOs in any way. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Brigsby5987 Caldari 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:52:00 - [7] ******s tbh. __________________________________________ When Will I be able to post again ? 13 days, 23 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds

CCP Eris Discordia	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:55:00 - [8] Edited by: CCP Eris Discordia on 27/08/2008 16:56:17 People also get annoyed when they compare ship fights to raping, it¦s offense to people who actually went through it. At some time though you need to realise people don¦t mean it in the way you take offense to it and you are just being overly sensitive to it because they take it so personal. I¦m sure the ¦it¦s so gay¦type of thing will blow over in a few years and then it might be ¦Oh that¦s just so senior. Go on retirement man.¦ Sorry, but sometimes you need to toughen up on the internet. And in EVE, when your corporation gives you shit you blow them up and steal their loot after offering to escort their valuables. Pink Dread has been hijacked

Beltantis Torrence	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:56:00 - [9] Edited by: Beltantis Torrence on 27/08/2008 16:57:20 Heh, its news that there are angst-filled and bigotted people in a playerbase of 300,000 people? Next you'll tell me that rain is wet. Sidenote - once heard over fleet voice channel someone talk about dragging black people behind their truck...Yikes.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:56:00 - [10] Originally by: An Anarchyyt none of this is unique to Eve, or MMOs in any way. Perhaps not, but it is particularly widespread and blatant here. That it happens elsewhere is nothing like justification for allowing it here.

Tao Han Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:57:00 - [11] Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia People also get annoyed when they compare ship fights to raping, it¦s offense to people who actually went through it. At some point though you need to realise people don¦t mean it in the way you take offense to it and you are just being overly sensitive to it because they take it so personal. I¦m sure the ¦it¦s so gay¦type of thing will blow over in a few years and then it might be ¦Oh that¦s just so senior. Go on retirement man.¦ Sorry, but sometimes you need to toughen up on the internet. And in EVE, when your corporation gives you shit you blow them up and steal their loot after offering to escort their valuables. Your heard it here first, remember that.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:57:00 - [12] I haven't noticed a lot of gay-bashing in EvE myself. There will always be people who disagree with the lifestyle, but the same goes for the other way around. Hell, being a heterosexual male white middle-class American non-Christian, I'm part of one of the most hated demographics of all time. Just the nature of the beast. If they can't convince themselves they are superior to you because of your sex, or your skintone, or your heritage, or your nationality, or your religion, or your schooling, or how much money you make, or how much you have ... why would they not be able to convince themselves that they are better than you because of your sexual preference? It's human nature for us to try to define ourselves in a way that highlights our own superiority. It's part of every national anthem, every church service, every race rally and political convention. Such is life, no? Quote: If you like playing EvE, but don't like to PvP ... Maybe it's time you recognize that you don't really like to play EvE.
Zephyr Rengate dearg doom	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:58:00 - [13] Girls in EvE? Article must be a joke.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:00:00 - [14] This yutz doesn't get it. She wasn't picked on BECAUSE she is gay, she was picked on because she got OFFENDED over being called gay. Mistake one: don't fall for obvious trolling :l
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Ratha Renoir If the word "lesbian" isn't offensive in your workplace, it's work-safe. No nudie pics or whatever. Lies! Those arbitrators looked really suggestive! "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died."
Cygnus Zhada Amarr Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:00:00 - [16] Edited by: Cygnus Zhada on 27/08/2008 17:01:57 I fail to see how the article (or actually your problem) is EVE specific. If I would say on TS "hold on keys gotta give the keys to my Ford to my GF" and someone else on TS goes "LOL a ford, wtf man, get a BMW or something" then that would be the exact same sitation as yours. The fact that it has an emotional charge for you is not the other person's fault nor problem. From what I read in the article there was nothing (that I could see) that was actually discrimitory other than the above car brand situation. ------------ We didn't want that boot.ini anyway
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:01:00 - [17] A lot of people just have to feel constantly victimized I suppose. I'm guessing it validates their self inflicted crappy existence.
Reaver One Sigillum Militum Xpisti	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:01:00 - [18] Edited by: Reaver One on 27/08/2008 17:06:07 Oh man Eris...if there is one thread that you (and probably your company) should have left alone, it's this one. I may agree with your point (and I may not too), but damn...wouldn't have touched this one with a ten foot pole. PS: "ten foot pole" is not intended as a derogatory remark about genitals. PPS: "genitals" was probably insensitive to bring up in this thread, I hereby retract all mention of it. PPPS: "retract" was not in any way intended to reference an uncircumsized male member. PPPPS: hee hee hee...I said "member".

CCP Eris Discordia	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:03:00 - [19] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu This yutz doesn't get it. She wasn't picked on BECAUSE she is gay, she was picked on because she got OFFENDED over being called gay. Mistake one: don't fall for obvious trolling :l Yeah, I don¦t see why people get offended if they are called gay, a lesbian or whatever. A better response in my opinion would be ¦so what of it?¦ If I get called a dyke I tell them to lock up their gf¦s before I come in and rescue the poor wenches. It¦s as big a deal as you make of it (imo) Pink Dread has been hijacked

Ratha Renoir	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:03:00 - [20] "Girls in EvE? Article must be a joke." lol I actually find people who say stuff like 'ur so gay' or 'omigod i pwnd u so hard' is a great way to add people to my 'obvious people to avoid and or gank as soon as possible' list cause he's obviously an asshat. I like nuking asshats. mmmmmm... asshats...

Cygnus Zhada Amarr Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Reaver One Oh man Eris...if there is one thread that your (and probably your company) should have left alone, it's this one. I may agree with you point (and I may not too), but damn...wouldn't have touched this one with a ten foot pole. PS: "ten foot pole" is not intended as a derogatory remark about genitals. PPS: "genitals" was probably insensitive to bring up in this thread, I hereby retract all mention of it. PPPS: "retract" was not in any way intended to reference an uncircumsized male member. PPPPS: hee hee hee...I said "member". Watch it, I'm very sensitive to the word 'member', I have a small one you see. Wait let me write a blog on it. ------------ We didn't want that boot.ini anyway
Winterblink Body Count Inc. The Requiem	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:04:00 - [22] Oh look, a woman so "secure" in her lifestyle choices that she has to hit the internet to whineblog her ovaries out because someone dared to say she was gay. Surprise: she is. She admits that, even saying it was inadvertent of her at the time to make mention of it to her corp. That sounds like a person who's proud of the person she is, alright. I don't care if people are gay. People are who they are. Why does she care that others don't care she's gay? warp drive active \| nature vraie
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:05:00 - [23] Read the article (pretty brief one), and while I agree in general with the tone and scope, I'd also have to say some of the author's reactions are probably just over-reactions. I mean, for instance, the "that's gay" remark... for some people, it has about as much gay-hate in it as an "oh my god" remark made by an atheist has religion in it... nearly none. It's a manner of speech for many people where the only negative conotation would be something akin to "that's not normal in a weird way". Not that I'd actually use it, but that's how I interpret it. Also, the (paraphrasing) "we don't need to know you're a freaking lesbian" remark... while crude and rude at the same time, that's akin to somebody saying "we don't need to know your girlfriend just arrived", "we don't need to know you burned the steak in the oven because of the gatecamp" or even "stop bragging about stuff". Also, you might want to take into account that some people might not ACTUALLY hate gay people at all, but you're giving them an easy-to-push button. It's like making fun of a player who admited he's fat, calling him piggie/fatso/whatever, even if maybe the one writing that is more obese than the target of the verbal assault. Smacktalk is afterall verbal PvP, and if you can tick your opponent off, get him off balance, that's in your advantage. Granted, it DOES feel weird when coming from a corpmate. My advice to the article's author ? Whenever you next feel bothered by what you think is an anti-gay remark, take a breath and think about it... is this person just trying to push my buttons, or is he genuinely anti-gay ? If it's the first one, you have completely other types of problems with that person. If you think there's no reason for "verbal PvP", you should probably confront them. Say something like "I hope you've just made a very bad joke or you're drunk, because what you just said implies you're a gay-hater, and I don't want to have anything to do with such people"... then wait for a reply. _ SHOPS \|\| Mission rewards revamp \|\| better nanofix

CCP Eris Discordia	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Reaver One Oh man Eris...if there is one thread that your (and probably your company) should have left alone, it's this one. I may agree with you point (and I may not too), but damn...wouldn't have touched this one with a ten foot pole. PS: "ten foot pole" is not intended as a derogatory remark about genitals. PPS: "genitals" was probably insensitive to bring up in this thread, I hereby retract all mention of it. PPPS: "retract" was not in any way intended to reference an uncircumsized male member. PPPPS: hee hee hee...I said "member". People knowing me personally will get why I feel more than able to respond, and it does suck that gay is perceived as a negative something, and trying to change that is not easy. But I¦m not sure that this is the way to do it. If people describe something to me as ¦gay¦ I often ask ¦err ok..but why?¦ To get an argument instead of an opinion. Pink Dread has been hijacked

N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:07:00 - [25] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Girls in EvE? Article must be a joke. I'm probably going to offend someone: GIRL Gay In Real Life
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:07:00 - [26] Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia At some time though you need to realise people don¦t mean it in the way you take offense to it and you are just being overly sensitive to it because they take it so personal. Not to put too fine a point on it but my having a thick skin has nothing to do with the acceptability of your sexist or homophobic comments. In fact, I'm quite sure that if we were talking about racism here the response would be much, much different. Or can we start calling nano pilots Nano N-----s now?
Nekopyat	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:11:00 - [27] Originally by: Cygnus Zhada Edited by: Cygnus Zhada on 27/08/2008 17:01:57 I fail to see how the article (or actually your problem) is EVE specific. From reading the piece, it looks like it is only EvE specific in that the person is currently playing EvE and is talking about her experiences specifically here. Actually I found it to be a pretty good post. The author made it pretty clear that EvE is generally a good place about such issues and then talked about some exceptions and other sensitivities that, to put it bluntly, most people do not think about since they are not in a group that has such things leveled against them. And yeah, touch skin on the internet is a good thing, but it doesn't make the people doing this stuff any less jerks and it is well within someone's domain to blog about a game where the jerk ratio is relatively low but still has issues.
Eomar Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:12:00 - [28] tbh while the article isnt wrong in a sense, there is a lot of language and attitude in eve that could be considered, (when taken out of context and ignoring the actual intent of the statement) to be homophobic, im still infuriated by the whole article! not so much for its intent, but more for the whole 'im a lesbian gamer' 'being a lesbian gamer' 'lesbian gamer thathis that and the other' *****s Its posted on a lesbian site, exceedingly obvious then that the author is a lesbian. but no, she feels the urge to make sure the reader is well aware that she is a lesbian, yes a lesbian, are you sure you understand that A LESBIAN. I may be totally wrong here, but id be willing to go out on a limb and say that this particular person makes a point of telling people how gay she is given even the slightest provocation, and given the average mental age of the eve gamer that will only ever serve to inflame an issue, go into ANY chat channel, ask them to stop swearing, and then sit back and wait..... why would you possibly think being gay is gonna make people suddenly stop being *****s? Simply put, youre a gamer, your orientation, whatever it may be, is of little relevance to eve, certain things can and will be said in any channel, but unless theyre spcifically directed at you, the wisest course of action is simply to ignore them. Ultimately its only words, and almost never are they actually used with the intent of attacking homosexuals, theyre generally used by people who simply dont know better or dont think about what theyre saying (the same is often applicable to 'racism' something which is gradually dying out, and now, when certain things are said, theyre clearly and obviously abusive and generally considered to be unacceptable, i have no doubt that in time homophobia will go the same route.) ...in accordance with the prophecy
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:12:00 - [29] Quote: Peunato, an extremely competent pilot, was forced out of the Caldari Navy when he revealed he was gay. Since joining the Guristas, Peunato has been instrumental in expanding their power and influence. Threat level: Deadly So the venerable GAY pilot Emo'd and made aware his proclivities and got called on the carpet for it. He then decides to join a notoriously murderous and brutal criminal group in a complete overreaction. Um...whatever.
Bfoster White Wolves Syndicate THORN Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:12:00 - [30] Originally by: An Anarchyyt This article is incredibly stupid, none of this is unique to Eve, or MMOs in any way. Agreed!! Whomever wrote it should try the free weekend on steam and play TF2 or Counter Strike Source.. They will have a heart attack reading the crap those kids say!! Personally I have only seen very little in local that was offensive to anyone.. _______________________________________________ My Sig has a spacer!



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